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(AlterNet)   Five "scientific conclusions" about cannabis the media doesn't want you to know. Missing from the list: marijuana is, in fact, a drug that impairs judgment and shouldn't be treated lightly, just like alcohol   ( alternet.org) divider line
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2012-07-30 03:19:33 PM  

lewismarktwo: Booface1985: Maybe some Farkers knowledgeable about drugs and hallucinogens can answer this lingering question for me:

I knew a guy in college who was convinced that the whole "you can't overdose on marijuana" rule applied to anything that was "all natural" and "came out of the ground." So he was a huge advocate of Peyote, Jimson Weed, and most vocally shrooms. He claimed that they were 100% safe, overdose was impossible, and that you could ingest as many as you wanted. He would, for example, make extremely potent shroom tea pretty much every day.

Now, I don't know much about shrooms, but that sounded wrong to me. Just cause it comes out of the ground or is "natural" doesn't mean its safe; I'm not going to survive licking a golden poison frog just because it's natural. I looked it up and showed him some cursory stuff about people ODing on mushrooms and needing stomach pumps, which he claimed was all part of a big science/media/government conspiracy against marijuana, shrooms, and the other "natural" drugs.

At the time I was genuinely worried about the dude's well-being--I mean, I'm not against having some fun, but that sounded like a pretty dangerous misconception. I just wanted him to slow down a bit and take some precautions. He disagreed so vehemently that it ended our friendship and we lost touch.

Was I wrong? I don't know enough about the science to weigh in one way or the other on whether there's a conspiracy or unfair stigma. Or is the dude probably dead /a vegetable by now?

I dunno about Jimson weed or peyote but it is true you can't overdose on oral THC or psilocibin (shrooms). The reason has nothing to do with them being natural, it just happens to be that they aren't poisonous. You can OD on water if you drink too much, don't forget.

Of course the argument that 'lol durr hurr potheads think because it's natural it can't hurt you, what about cyanide? hurrdurr.' is a dead end because all those naturally poisonous plants are legal to own in unlimite ...


dupily dupily hurr duurp
dirupity durp durpd upr
 
2012-07-30 03:19:33 PM  

Agent Smiths Laugh: I read the headline as:

Five "scientific conclusions" about cannibals the media doesn't want you to know.


Put down the bong, Shaggy. You're poster material.
 
2012-07-30 03:28:35 PM  

Booface1985: At the time I was genuinely worried about the dude's well-being--I mean, I'm not against having some fun, but that sounded like a pretty dangerous misconception. I just wanted him to slow down a bit and take some precautions. He disagreed so vehemently that it ended our friendship and we lost touch.

Was I wrong? I don't know enough about the science to weigh in one way or the other on whether there's a conspiracy or unfair stigma. Or is the dude probably dead /a vegetable by now?


You were/are correct in your assessment, and your friend was bound for an early grave or long hospital stay based on that list. The misconception that natural means safe is one that is pervasive, reinforced by advertisers and schisters alike to sell snake oil.

Jimson weed is poisonous and can kill or injure a user after ingesting the dosages needed for hallucinogenic effects. Psilocilbin is toxic and can cause death, generally at a higher intake level than most people can stand to keep down without vomiting; someone who has taken them many times is more likely to reach toxicity due to acclimation to and suppression of the gag reflex that accompanies ingestion, but it still requires an amazing set of circumstances to reach. I cannot speak to the toxicity of peyote. Ironically, the toxicity of LSD is substantially lower than everything on that list, at least when comparing effective dosage to toxic levels. As mentioned elsewhere, THC can be toxic, but at such substantial levels that there are only a slim handful of reported cases of that occurring (I know of one).

There are plenty of naturally occurring compounds that will kill a person, and almost nothing in existence is entirely non-toxic to humans in some fashion.
 
2012-07-30 03:43:22 PM  

lewismarktwo: Of course the argument that 'lol durr hurr potheads think because it's natural it can't hurt you, what about cyanide? hurrdurr.' is a dead end because all those naturally poisonous plants are legal to own in unlimite ...


Not trying to make any arguments about legality here (or trying to be didactic in any way), it was purely a personal tangent. Duly noted and agreed with, though.
 
2012-07-30 03:56:48 PM  
I hate the stereotypical pot culture: the lame puns, the lazy, irresponsible people, and the ugly artwork. Livin in Eugene, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical potheads are the ones who are slowing the legalization process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the flamers making gays look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.
 
2012-07-30 04:05:43 PM  

Booface1985: lewismarktwo: Of course the argument that 'lol durr hurr potheads think because it's natural it can't hurt you, what about cyanide? hurrdurr.' is a dead end because all those naturally poisonous plants are legal to own in unlimite ...

Not trying to make any arguments about legality here (or trying to be didactic in any way), it was purely a personal tangent. Duly noted and agreed with, though.


Well, I wasn't tryin to harsh your buzz or nothin, duder. Sorry if I came off as hostile.
 
2012-07-30 04:13:54 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I hate the stereotypical pot culture: the lame puns, the lazy, irresponsible people, and the ugly artwork.


Like the first four Black Sabbath albums?

Livin in Eugene, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical potheads are the ones who are slowing the legalization process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the flamers making gays look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

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2012-07-30 04:24:51 PM  

Undulation: THC can be toxic, but at such substantial levels that there are only a slim handful of reported cases of that occurring (I know of one).


Unless you are speaking of Marinol, which is a synthetic THC pill produced by Solvay Pharmaceuticals and is legal by prescription, you are full of shiat.

Marinol has caused at least four deaths since hitting the market.

In over 3,500 years of recorded use, there is not a single reported overdose from marijuana, by any means of ingestion whatsoever.

Thanks Big Pharma!

/Even the lab monkeys that scientists were force-smoking thousands of joints a day into died from carbon monoxide poisoning long before they would have hit the LD-50 of THC.
//that carbon monoxide poisoning was also responsible for their brain damage. not the thc.
 
2012-07-30 04:32:00 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I hate the stereotypical pot culture: the lame puns, the lazy, irresponsible people, and the ugly artwork. Livin in Eugene, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical potheads are the ones who are slowing the legalization process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the flamers making gays look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.


I hate the stereotypical black culture: the fried chicken and watermelon, the lazy, irresponsible people, and the terrible rap. Livin in Philly, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical blacks are the ones who are slowing desegregation. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the beaners making spics look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

WOW, that was......really, really easy.
 
2012-07-30 04:44:12 PM  
SO easy that I'mma do it again!

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I hate the stereotypical pot culture: the lame puns, the lazy, irresponsible people, and the ugly artwork. Livin in Eugene, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical potheads are the ones who are slowing the legalization process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the flamers making gays look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.


I hate the stereotypical Chicano culture: the tacos, the lazy, irresponsible people, and the adobe houses filled with cocaine. Livin in Albuquerque, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical Mexicans are the ones who are slowing the immigration process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the Nazis making krauts look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

I hate the stereotypical gay culture: the flamers, the tweaking, irresponsible people, and the ugly fashion. Livin in the bay area, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical queers are the ones who are slowing the same-sex marriage process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the ridiculously small minority of idiot teens and burnouts making average marijuana users look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

I hate the stereotypical vampire culture: the lame sparkles, the feeding off of people, and the constant fighting with werewolves for the affections of young teens. Livin in Eugene, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical vampires are the ones who are slowing the opening of the Hellmouth. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the Wiccans making bonafide practitioners of the black arts look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.


This is fun. =)
 
2012-07-30 05:17:10 PM  

radarlove: Unless you are speaking of Marinol, which is a synthetic THC pill produced by Solvay Pharmaceuticals and is legal by prescription, you are full of shiat.

Marinol has caused at least four deaths since hitting the market.

In over 3,500 years of recorded use, there is not a single reported overdose from marijuana, by any means of ingestion whatsoever.


Lolersnacks. Set aside the sativa and load up some strong indica, because you're harshing the thread and need to chill... I did say THC and did not specify marijuana, so go ahead and dial back the berthert. I am aware of one toxicity event relating to THC, and indeed it was marinol; 3 more would be news to me, but then I don't follow these events too closely. More to the point though, hyperbolic shoe throwing isn't a particularly endearing strategy for making friends and influencing people, even in a Fark discussion.
 
2012-07-30 05:22:18 PM  

Captain_Ballbeard: Fact 6: Marijuana, unlike alcohol and tobacco, can easily be grown by anybody, nearly anywhere. Think about the job creators!


Tomatoes can be grown nearly anywhere, yet the supermarket sells a lot of tomatoes because growing tomatoes is a pain in the ass. The only reason the weed growing crowd is so big is because for a long time now it was one of the few viable options. If people could just pop down to the bodega and get a pack of reefer, they probably wouldn't want to go through all the sh*t involved in growing it.

Also, anyone can make alcohol. Its just more convenient to go to the liquor store and pick up a 6er than spend weeks brewing your own.
 
2012-07-30 05:28:40 PM  

Undulation: radarlove: Unless you are speaking of Marinol, which is a synthetic THC pill produced by Solvay Pharmaceuticals and is legal by prescription, you are full of shiat.

Marinol has caused at least four deaths since hitting the market.

In over 3,500 years of recorded use, there is not a single reported overdose from marijuana, by any means of ingestion whatsoever.

Lolersnacks. Set aside the sativa and load up some strong indica, because you're harshing the thread and need to chill... I did say THC and did not specify marijuana, so go ahead and dial back the berthert. I am aware of one toxicity event relating to THC, and indeed it was marinol; 3 more would be news to me, but then I don't follow these events too closely. More to the point though, hyperbolic shoe throwing isn't a particularly endearing strategy for making friends and influencing people, even in a Fark discussion.


Neither is making vague implications that serve no purpose other than to further a campaign of never-ending misinformation, friend.

If you mean Marinol, you say Marinol. To simply say "THC" is disingenuous at best, and deliberately misleading and manipulative at worst. Marinol is a SYNTHETIC DERIVATIVE of THC cooked up in a pharmaceutical laboratory and is substantially more potent/dangerous.

Plant-based THC is to Marinol what the poppies in your garden are to Oxycontin. Sure, they're vaguely related, but it took a science whiz in a lab to figure out how to make them deadly, incredibly easy to abuse, and legal.
 
2012-07-30 05:29:21 PM  

Undulation: whargarbl



First of all, you are an idiot for claiming that natural THC ingestion has killed anyone, even just a couple people. THC produced by pharmaceutical corporations are absolutely excluded from this discussion.

Second, the LD50 for mushrooms is several pounds of dried mushrooms. Nobody is dying from magic mushrooms either.

"Psilocybin comprises approximately 1% of the weight of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, and so nearly 1.7 kilograms (3.7 lb) of dried mushrooms, or 17 kilograms (37 lb) of fresh mushrooms, would be required for a 60-kilogram (130 lb) person to reach the 280 mg/kg LD50 value." Source


The only thing you're getting right at all in your posts is the stupidity of using Jimson Weed, though what Jimson Weed has to do with cannabis and mushrooms is questionable. Jimson Weed is much more of a deliriant, than an actual recreational intoxicant. It is also muuuch more poisonous than cannabis and mushrooms, these substances really shouldnt even be mentioned in the same sentence. Cannabis and mushrooms = Relaxants. Jimson Weed = Poisonous deliriant.

Jimson Weed is like Nutmeg, technically a hallucinogen. Maintains that status enough that some dumb kids who cant find weed will hear about it and gather that "it makes you high." And then we get the obligatory summer "Jimson Weed kills teen" article. The truth is, there are no regular Jimson Weed users. Just like there are no regular Nutmeg users. They aren't pleasurable enough to warrant repeat use.
 
2012-07-30 05:39:02 PM  
Let me break it down for the people confused by the "it's natural" bit.

Cannabis is a relaxant that grows out of the ground, calms you down, and makes you hungry. It is scheduled alongside drugs like heroin, meth, PCP, and crack, all powerful chemical products, most synthesized in clandestine labs, by serious criminals involved in high level crime. These chemical products have sweeping powerful nervous system effects that can incapacitate or superpower a user. A PCP user can take savage beatings from multiple cops and still not be restrained, for instance. A heroin user will effectively lose consciousness and nod off in a stupor, the world could be burning up around them.

Potheads plant a seed in the ground, water it, and smoke it when it's ready. Yet you idiots think it warrants throwing $8 billion annually. Can't have peaceful citizens growing a harmless plant. It's not just the fact that it's a plant that grew out of the ground. It's that this harmless plant is cast in the same light as PCP, methamphetamine, heroin, etc.
 
2012-07-30 05:39:27 PM  

Booface1985: Maybe some Farkers knowledgeable about drugs and hallucinogens can answer this lingering question for me:

I knew a guy in college who was convinced that the whole "you can't overdose on marijuana" rule applied to anything that was "all natural" and "came out of the ground." So he was a huge advocate of Peyote, Jimson Weed, and most vocally shrooms. He claimed that they were 100% safe, overdose was impossible, and that you could ingest as many as you wanted. He would, for example, make extremely potent shroom tea pretty much every day.

Now, I don't know much about shrooms, but that sounded wrong to me. Just cause it comes out of the ground or is "natural" doesn't mean its safe; I'm not going to survive licking a golden poison frog just because it's natural. I looked it up and showed him some cursory stuff about people ODing on mushrooms and needing stomach pumps, which he claimed was all part of a big science/media/government conspiracy against marijuana, shrooms, and the other "natural" drugs.

At the time I was genuinely worried about the dude's well-being--I mean, I'm not against having some fun, but that sounded like a pretty dangerous misconception. I just wanted him to slow down a bit and take some precautions. He disagreed so vehemently that it ended our friendship and we lost touch.

Was I wrong? I don't know enough about the science to weigh in one way or the other on whether there's a conspiracy or unfair stigma. Or is the dude probably dead /a vegetable by now?


Well, since you can overdose on WATER, you were right, and nature-dude was very wrong. The wrong mushroom can kill you flat-out dead, unless you can get a new liver installed very quickly.

I'm pro-legalization, but I'm quite willing to admit there are some flat-out idiots on my side of the debate.

They're not nearly as expensive for society as the pro-Drug War-at-any-cost idiots on the other side, however.
 
2012-07-30 05:42:20 PM  

D_Evans45: The only thing you're getting right at all in your posts is the stupidity of using Jimson Weed, though what Jimson Weed has to do with cannabis and mushrooms is questionable.


To be fair, he was responding to my earlier mention of a friend who strongly advocated Jimson Weed along with other natural drugs like Marijuana, Peyote, and mushrooms. So he wasn't comparing them in any attempt to be disingenuous, just trying to answer my original question(s).

Good information, though. I've read about people overdosing or nearly overdosing on mushrooms and needing to get their stomachs pumped. If their Psilocybin is so low, how does something like that happen? Or is it most likely a case of downing the wrong type of mushroom?
 
2012-07-30 05:45:32 PM  
I apologize to undulation, I am actually directing my comments at the person he quoted then.
 
2012-07-30 05:58:33 PM  
Also, pardon me saying so, but if you have a friend who strongly advocates using Jimson Weed as a recreational intoxicant, he is an idiot.

And any mention of stomach pumps would probably be eating poisonous mushrooms by mistake, which isnt unheard of. There are poisonous mushrooms that are also hallucinogenic, Amanitas (fly agaric) for example.

In my opinion, wild magic mushroom picking should best be left to seasoned veterans. You and me? Not a chance. Magic mushroom spores are NOT illegal to order online/own, and can be brought to fruition with extremely minimal legal worry, in a very short time. I'd much rather grow my own than attempt to identify a wild mushroom that *looks like* those mushrooms that got me high a couple years ago. You could probably pull 3 mushroom harvests in the time it would take for your cannabis plants outside to mature, and you wouldnt have big stinky bushes all over the place, just an aquarium in the corner of the garage.

Then again, kids nowadays are lazy as shiat. Grow your own, or "done right, do it yourself" attitude, is a rarity.
 
2012-07-30 06:01:26 PM  

Booface1985: D_Evans45: The only thing you're getting right at all in your posts is the stupidity of using Jimson Weed, though what Jimson Weed has to do with cannabis and mushrooms is questionable.

To be fair, he was responding to my earlier mention of a friend who strongly advocated Jimson Weed along with other natural drugs like Marijuana, Peyote, and mushrooms. So he wasn't comparing them in any attempt to be disingenuous, just trying to answer my original question(s).

Good information, though. I've read about people overdosing or nearly overdosing on mushrooms and needing to get their stomachs pumped. If their Psilocybin is so low, how does something like that happen? Or is it most likely a case of downing the wrong type of mushroom?


Either that or HIGHLY concentrating the psilocybin. The LD50 of psilocybin is 280mg/kg, meaning that your average 80 kilo male would have to take 22.4 grams of pure psilocybin to have a lethal overdose. That's nearly a full ounce, and that's a shiatload of psilocybin. Since there is 4mg-10mg of psilocybin per mushroom, you're looking at around 3,500 mushrooms or more eaten in one sitting in order to die. I've been searching for a while now but haven't been able to find any reports of terminal overdose. That's probably why.

You can, however, fry the hell out of your brain if you take large enough quantities of any hallucinogen, resulting in psychosis in some cases.
 
2012-07-30 06:05:14 PM  

People_are_Idiots: D_Evans45: People_are_Idiots: There is a published study that states long-term, heavy marijuana use leads to memory loss and mild brain trauma, Here: Link. You supposedly can die from OD on marijuana, BUT it has to be 40,000 times more smoked or eaten than what is currently done. basically, in the amount of time it takes to consume 1, you'd have to consume 40k. Only way that might happen is if a marijuana farm catches fire.


i.e. "You're waaay more likely to be randomly crushed by a bale of cannabis falling from the sky than ever die from consuming cannabis". The fact that you even mention "facts" like this in conjunction with your argument makes it hard to take seriously. The article you sourced states that the participants in the study used at least 5 joints a day for over 10 years, they found the Tommy Chongs of society to compare against sober people years younger. 5 joints is a lot of weed to smoke in a day; assuming you roll a gram into a modest sized joint (about average) you're smoking well over a quarter pound a month.

Most of the pot smokers I know use the ever famous "water bongs" and inhale the fumes. Also, I didn't say DIE from long term use... I said loss of memory functions. The amount of pot it takes to theoretically die from OD would be equivalent to 140,000 hits in the time frame of one cigarette. In other words, you can't do it UNLESS forced (no one can inhale that much MJ smoke by choice). The only real way to die from "smoking weed": some of the less-reputable dealers don't exactly use the best methods of cutting weed, and sometimes another drug can get mixed in (remember that most places still outlaw distribution), ie you wouldn't die from the MJ, you die from coke/crack/heroin/etc. Learn to read, please?

Also, I looked more at the site, and found articles like an article talking on the CO2 content and the change in climate, and How UV-B radiation is affecting marine life. It's a friggin Aussie science news site, not Daily Mail.


lol
 
2012-07-30 07:24:39 PM  

radarlove: Undulation: radarlove: Unless you are speaking of Marinol, which is a synthetic THC pill produced by Solvay Pharmaceuticals and is legal by prescription, you are full of shiat.

Marinol has caused at least four deaths since hitting the market.

In over 3,500 years of recorded use, there is not a single reported overdose from marijuana, by any means of ingestion whatsoever.

Lolersnacks. Set aside the sativa and load up some strong indica, because you're harshing the thread and need to chill... I did say THC and did not specify marijuana, so go ahead and dial back the berthert. I am aware of one toxicity event relating to THC, and indeed it was marinol; 3 more would be news to me, but then I don't follow these events too closely. More to the point though, hyperbolic shoe throwing isn't a particularly endearing strategy for making friends and influencing people, even in a Fark discussion.

Neither is making vague implications that serve no purpose other than to further a campaign of never-ending misinformation, friend.

If you mean Marinol, you say Marinol. To simply say "THC" is disingenuous at best, and deliberately misleading and manipulative at worst. Marinol is a SYNTHETIC DERIVATIVE of THC cooked up in a pharmaceutical laboratory and is substantially more potent/dangerous.

Plant-based THC is to Marinol what the poppies in your garden are to Oxycontin. Sure, they're vaguely related, but it took a science whiz in a lab to figure out how to make them deadly, incredibly easy to abuse, and legal.


As I understand THC is a chemical, so there is really no distinction between THC synthesized in a lab vs. the THC that cannabis naturally produces.

That said, the cannabis plant has about 300 compounds other than just THC. There's also CBD which is another active compounds that has medicinal properties.

My point is that cannabis has a lot of "stuff" than just THC, and there is no diff between the THC in Marinol and cannabis.

Also, you pay about 10 bucks a pill for the Marinol that may or may not have the same efficacy as your natural herb. Personally, I would chose the herb over something a pharmaceutical company created in a lab.
 
2012-07-30 07:30:17 PM  

poorjon: Captain_Ballbeard: Fact 6: Marijuana, unlike alcohol and tobacco, can easily be grown by anybody, nearly anywhere. Think about the job creators!

Tomatoes can be grown nearly anywhere, yet the supermarket sells a lot of tomatoes because growing tomatoes is a pain in the ass. The only reason the weed growing crowd is so big is because for a long time now it was one of the few viable options. If people could just pop down to the bodega and get a pack of reefer, they probably wouldn't want to go through all the sh*t involved in growing it.

Also, anyone can make alcohol. Its just more convenient to go to the liquor store and pick up a 6er than spend weeks brewing your own.


See, people throw this around as a matter of fact, but the truth is, growing good cannabis is the same as growing good tomatoes. You can't just throw a bunch of seeds in a patch of soil and expect to have big, juicy, worm-free heirloom tomatoes.

You have to care for them. Feed the plant. Water the plant. Pick off the worms/bugs that get on it. When the plant starts to flower and you see your baby tomatoes, you have make sure it doesn't get moldy and produces fruit to full ripeness. Otherwise, the fruit will just die on the vine, get moldy, fall off, etc.

My point is, if you want good tomatoes, you have to put in the time and effort to produce good tomatoes.
 
2012-07-30 07:52:54 PM  

radarlove: SO easy that I'mma do it again!

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: I hate the stereotypical pot culture: the lame puns, the lazy, irresponsible people, and the ugly artwork. Livin in Eugene, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical potheads are the ones who are slowing the legalization process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the flamers making gays look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

I hate the stereotypical Chicano culture: the tacos, the lazy, irresponsible people, and the adobe houses filled with cocaine. Livin in Albuquerque, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical Mexicans are the ones who are slowing the immigration process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the Nazis making krauts look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

I hate the stereotypical gay culture: the flamers, the tweaking, irresponsible people, and the ugly fashion. Livin in the bay area, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical queers are the ones who are slowing the same-sex marriage process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the ridiculously small minority of idiot teens and burnouts making average marijuana users look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

I hate the stereotypical vampire culture: the lame sparkles, the feeding off of people, and the constant fighting with werewolves for the affections of young teens. Livin in Eugene, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical vampires are the ones who are slowing the opening of the Hellmouth. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the Wiccans making bon ...


Nice Dude. Your racist comments won me over. Let's legalize weed.
 
2012-07-30 08:38:21 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Nice Dude. Your racist comments won me over. Let's legalize weed.


I thought I was pretty blatantly making the point that stereotyping an entire group based upon an incredibly small minority that you find offensive is foolish and wrong, but apparently it went right over your head.

So let us try this again-

I hate the stereotypical conservative culture: the unbridled racism, the power-hungry, hateful people, and the country music. Livin in Oklahoma City, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical conservatives are the ones who are slowing the legislative process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the totalitarian regimes of Russia and China making socialists look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

That work for ya? No? How about this:

I hate the stereotypical liberal culture: the spineless weak-willed Nanny-Statism, the socialist welfare programs that jeopardize the economy, and the constant aborting of fetuses. Livin in Boulder, I know the stereotype is there for a reason. I think these stereotypical liberals are the ones who are slowing the legislative process. Nobody wants more of them. It's similar to the racists and gay-bashers making conservatives look bad. Act in a responsible, civil way, and you will be taken seriously. Act like a moron, and it will take you a lot longer to achieve acceptance.

STILL not getting it? Fine, here ya go:

Stereotyping an entire group based upon an incredibly small minority that you find offensive is foolish and wrong.
 
2012-07-30 09:08:56 PM  

radarlove: STILL not getting it?


I have a prediction...
 
2012-07-30 09:46:24 PM  
You stoned potheads are so damn cute when you get defensive.
 
2012-07-30 10:37:19 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: legalize pot. followed by oxycontin. make it OTC. for my complex 11 aches and pains (i have fibromyalgia)


I have severe fibro too.. it's a biatch. I have a medical marijuana card (live in Michigan) but unfortunately pot doesn't work nearly as well as opiates and my doc doesn't prescribe me enough.. >_
 
2012-07-31 12:00:15 AM  

Jument: Mr.Bobo: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 426x640]

Its a plant... Legalize it...

I farking hate that argument. If plants are good, how about you eat a death angel toadstool? The fact that it is a plant is as relevant to the discussion as the fact that the sky is blue. Stop being an idiot and maybe one day people will take you seriously.


I think it is funny that people think the government should run arround telling people what kinds of plants that they can have, when they occur naturally... Stupid

Your argument is insanely stupid. I wouldn't misuse a product organic or not.put any type of poison in my body. Marijuana is not poisonous, so what is your point?. You are the with the idiotic argument. Perhaps you should think before you type and make an ass out of yourself publicly.
 
2012-07-31 12:56:16 AM  

Mr.Bobo: I think it is funny that people think the government should run arround telling people what kinds of plants that they can have, when they occur naturally... Stupid

Your argument is insanely stupid. I wouldn't misuse a product organic or not.put any type of poison in my body. Marijuana is not poisonous, so what is your point?. You are the with the idiotic argument. Perhaps you should think before you type and make an ass out of yourself publicly.


Natural is an almost meaningless description of things. Everything is natural. Human beings and everything they have created is natural.
 
2012-07-31 01:05:46 AM  

John Buck 41: You stoned potheads are so damn cute when you get defensive.


And you cranked up cokeheads can be so condescending...
 
2012-07-31 01:16:28 AM  

Booface1985: I knew a guy in college who was convinced that the whole "you can't overdose on marijuana" rule applied to anything that was "all natural" and "came out of the ground." So he was a huge advocate of Peyote, Jimson Weed, and most vocally shrooms. He claimed that they were 100% safe, overdose was impossible, and that you could ingest as many as you wanted. He would, for example, make extremely potent shroom tea pretty much every day.



Go to erowid, read their trip reports on Jimson Weed, Datura and Brugmansia (related plants with the same active chemicals), then re-evaluate your friend. The experiences people have with this stuff are scary as all hell. Sometimes people literally thought they were in hell. Often they end up in the psych ward. A few end up dead.
 
2012-07-31 09:09:45 PM  
AeAe:

I agree wholeheartedly with your quality argument. There is nothing which compares to a heirloom tomato or homebrew made with love. What I was trying to point out is the fallacy in the "it will never be legal because anyone can grow it and there would be no profit" argument. A lot of people eat lousy tomatoes and drink crappy beer and very large companies make fat profits off of this behavior. Produce, cars, electronics, appliances, software whatever have you; people have shown themselves to want to have a thing and will settle for a shiatty knockoff rather than pay more for a superior product. That is why if weed is legalized people will buy TONS shiatty off the shelf stuff, and maybe only rarely splurge on the good but expensive stuff. The craftsman will never eat the lunch of the mass producer.
 
2012-08-01 01:29:05 AM  

poorjon: I agree wholeheartedly with your quality argument. There is nothing which compares to a heirloom tomato or homebrew made with love. What I was trying to point out is the fallacy in the "it will never be legal because anyone can grow it and there would be no profit" argument. A lot of people eat lousy tomatoes and drink crappy beer and very large companies make fat profits off of this behavior. Produce, cars, electronics, appliances, software whatever have you; people have shown themselves to want to have a thing and will settle for a shiatty knockoff rather than pay more for a superior product. That is why if weed is legalized people will buy TONS shiatty off the shelf stuff, and maybe only rarely splurge on the good but expensive stuff. The craftsman will never eat the lunch of the mass producer.


Even if the good stuff was expensive to buy, some of us are not natural botanists and would buy for convenience and reliability.
 
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