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2012-07-29 11:44:39 PM

whidbey: Aussie_As: So weight-gain is probably the big one for me. I'm borderline obese these days, despite walking about 6 hours per week. Cutting food consumption isn't easy when you've got the munchies.

Your weight gain has exactly jack-all to do with smoking marijuana and everything to do with the fact that you probably don't exercise.

Thanks for feeding the troll, person who disagrees with you on Fark, though.


I thought the question was reasonable. The question assumed there are some negatives to smoking cannabis (does this maketh the troll?), but I gave an honest reply. Even when I got more exercise (eg cycling up a nasty hill three or four times per week) a few years ago, I was still gaining weight.

You are correct that I could definitely do more exercise than currently, and it is also correct to say that my weight gain is not directly caused by smoking, but is associated with my failure-of-willpower to ignore my body's desire to gain fat as part of the process of getting the chemicals in the smoke out of my system. THC and the other chemicals are highly fat-soluble.
 
2012-07-29 11:45:32 PM

whidbey: The really embarrassing thing is that subby is very likely a flaming liberal in most political threads.

Most righties don't give a f*ck about pot legalization. It really rustles the jimmies of some of our more liberal-than-thou posters, though. I guess I should find that funny or something.



Goddamn rob reiner.
 
2012-07-29 11:46:01 PM

Jument: Mr.Bobo: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 426x640]

Its a plant... Legalize it...

I farking hate that argument. If plants are good, how about you eat a death angel toadstool? The fact that it is a plant is as relevant to the discussion as the fact that the sky is blue. Stop being an idiot and maybe one day people will take you seriously.



Would a death angel toadstool relax you for 2 hours, and provide medical relief? It is relevant because it is a naturally occurring substance with known medicinal benefits scheduled alongside real drugs like meth, crack, and PCP. Which are of course chemically manufactured in clandestine labs by real hardened criminals who actually perpetrate real serious crimes.


it really is a harmless plant, more of a medicine to many, that Americans have used for years. The fact that the government would wage a huge war at your expense against it to the tune of $8+ billion annually is pretty silly.
 
2012-07-29 11:50:39 PM

Aussie_As: UseLessHuman: OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot

field tests for alcohol are notoriously inaccurate as well so, that argument doesn't fly far with me. How about we consider pot use a mitigating circumstance and we hold people accountable for their actions just as if they weren't on drugs, which is supposed to be the standard anyway? It's not as if people get cut a break for being on drugs and committing crimes now, so just treat them like they were sober and make them accountable for whatever damage they do just like any other person who commits any other crime, why is this so hard to accept?

Where I live (not in the US), we don't have field tests for sobriety. The cop just asks you to blow into a hand-held machine to test your alcohol level, and there is a saliva test for cannabis and amphetamines. In the case of the saliva test, it apparently returns a positive if you've smoked dope within the previous five hours. There were some teething problems with accuracy in the early days of the tests a few years ago, but I haven't heard of many complaints since then. I think the cost of the saliva test is around $40 per go.

So the technology is there. Unless I've missed something, which is entirely possible.


The field test i was referring to WAS the breath test as mentioned in the link provided. The point I was making is that we don't need a test for pot at all, you either break the law or you don't and you are accountable for your actions. They don't give you extra jail time for not getting enough sleep the night before or just not paying attention why do you get a harder sentence because you had pot in your system? Saliva tests? If I've done something so serious you simply must determine if I was influenced by a substance then it's serious enough to take me to a hospital for a full and (more)accurate test.

I'm 31 and been smoking pot off and on since I was 16. I have never been involved in a traffic accident while "under the influence" of pot. I am not an exceptional case, it's because a bad driver on pot is still a bad driver, and a good driver on pot is still a good driver. I know the war on drugs propaganda would tell you this is impossible but I tell you it is true and my entire adult life experience tells me this is so.
 
2012-07-29 11:52:20 PM

Benni K Rok: xaks: As much as I agree that pot being treated as it is now is bullshiat, there's several reasons it won't be de-criminalized, period:

1.) Some folks (lawyers, prisons, law enforcement, politicians, alcohol and tobacco sellers, etc) either make too much money from, or have their jobs depend on, weed being kept as it is now.

2.) For weed to be used publically, there needs to actual impairment testing for driving privs. For that to happen, 80% of folks over 70 would lose their wheels. Old people vote. Never happen.

I have smoked weed exactly four times in my life, all over two decades ago, so I have no interest personally if it is legal or not.

But until the points above are handled, it will not change, facts be damned.

How much does it cost your state for an average trial and sentencing for possession? Guess what, you DO have an interest. It's called your tax money.


I agree 100% with your point.

MY point was that if it were legalized tomorrow, I would not be going out and buying it. I'm not buying it now. Thus, the *direct* interest is nil.

Indirectly, you're 100% right, and I am 100^ on board with safe, intelligent legalization and regulation an, by extension, TAXATION, of weed.

Plus, it would outsell alcohol and tobacco in a short amount of time, and piss off LOTS of conservative cockwallets, which I am also 100% in favor of.
 
2012-07-29 11:59:41 PM

archichris: santadog: Fano: Getting high leads to telling longwinded pointless stories and engineering bongs out of anything your stoned mind can conceive from tools at hand.

For me it led to starting a summer seasonal scooter rental business near a national park that allows me to have 8 months off a year to bum around the country and take photographs of cool stuff.
/but that's just me.

Oops, you have a business so you have liability insurance, which means if someone is injured or dies on one of your scooters and a lawyer remembers your little anecdote, he can sue you and your insurance company for negligence brought on by your admitted drug use. You might be fooling yourself, but the rest of us know whats going on.


I live in the state of Colorado. I have a card for legitimate use: Spinal fusion of L4 and L5 with chronic nerve pain. How does my back pain relate to someone driving a scooter off a cliff?
Right.

Your anecdote was also cute.
 
2012-07-30 12:01:05 AM
xaks: it would outsell alcohol and tobacco in a short amount of time

These are three completely different drugs. Tobacco keeps its sales up by being very addictive. Alcohol sells because it has a strong (generally euphoric) effect. Cannabis is much more subtle than alcohol and its effects depend a lot on the mental state of the user. I'm not convinced that legalizing cannabis would actually have much effect on the sales of tobacco or alcohol.
 
2012-07-30 12:06:04 AM

whidbey: way south: The real reason Marijuana remains illegal:

[dl.dropbox.com image 320x283]

It fills every law enforcement agency's coffers full of gold.

/Want to change it? Form a lobby and give cash to your congressman.
/If you don't learn the corruption game, don't complain when change never happens.

Actually, we don't need to go that route, there's plenty of available activism but thanks for sharing.


Oh yes, I certainly see that.
...It just seems to be taking a while, what with all the politicians running their usual "tough on drug crime" shtick.

/Keep at it tho.
/I'll suggest the corruption route again in a decade.
 
2012-07-30 12:06:12 AM

BronyMedic: Marijuana should be legalized and taxed, the same as alcohol and cigs. Not only would it bring in millions of dollars for the state and federal governments, it would eliminate a large subset of crime, both violent and non, and free up our prison and penal system from thousands of frivolous cases each year.

But, that said, let's not pretend that Marijuana is completely harmless. It has the same level of harm as long-term tobacco use. And you really don't want to use it if you're schizophrenic.


Reading the article, I would say there are some who disagree with you.
 
2012-07-30 12:11:04 AM

Aussie_As: Even when I got more exercise (eg cycling up a nasty hill three or four times per week) a few years ago, I was still gaining weight.


And very likely taking in more calories daily than you were burning them by riding your bike.

But you're welcome to show me where marijuana causes weight gain by itself.

You are correct that I could definitely do more exercise than currently, and it is also correct to say that my weight gain is not directly caused by smoking, but is associated with my failure-of-willpower to ignore my body's desire to gain fat as part of the process of getting the chemicals in the smoke out of my system. THC and the other chemicals are highly fat-soluble.

Citations needed.
 
2012-07-30 12:23:51 AM

Keizer_Ghidorah: tomWright: Cannabis has been responsible for, (last time I checked), exactly 0 deaths from overdose.

About the only ways cannabis can kill you is if:
A bale of it falls on your head
An organized crime gangster kills you in a dispute involving it
An overzealous drug cop kills you in a dispute involving it
You light yourself on fire in a strange accident involving a joint, lighter fluid and a malfunctioning barbeque while attempting to satisfy your munchies
Cheetos overdose, which is no laughing matter


Legalize it, regulate it, make it safe

Hey, the spiral Cheetos can be terribly dangerous if you OD on them. Which sucks, because I frekaing love the spiral Cheetos and will often binge on them, making my tummy hate me.

/dangerously cheesy


Hehe, actually... you can die from smoking the cigarette version is not packaged right. Remember, not all makers of magic sticks are up-standing citizens. Some of the marijuana can be laced with coke, speed, or worse. Medical Marijuana probably wouldn't have this issue because it'd be made by a company. (not saying it would)

There is a published study that states long-term, heavy marijuana use leads to memory loss and mild brain trauma, Here: Link. You supposedly can die from OD on marijuana, BUT it has to be 40,000 times more smoked or eaten than what is currently done. basically, in the amount of time it takes to consume 1, you'd have to consume 40k. Only way that might happen is if a marijuana farm catches fire.
 
2012-07-30 12:24:52 AM

Nina Haagen Dazs: Asa Phelps: I am still waiting to hear about the drawbacks of weed that potheads don't talk about.

Not that i partake, it's just a question that remains unanswered.

The big drawback for me when I smoked years ago was the company I was keeping. Not everyone was trustworthy. Seemed like everyone thought everyone else was a snitch. Fark that noise.


Problems with pothead culture would largely be ameliorated by decriminalization.
 
2012-07-30 12:25:49 AM

whidbey: Aussie_As: Even when I got more exercise (eg cycling up a nasty hill three or four times per week) a few years ago, I was still gaining weight.

And very likely taking in more calories daily than you were burning them by riding your bike.

But you're welcome to show me where marijuana causes weight gain by itself.

You are correct that I could definitely do more exercise than currently, and it is also correct to say that my weight gain is not directly caused by smoking, but is associated with my failure-of-willpower to ignore my body's desire to gain fat as part of the process of getting the chemicals in the smoke out of my system. THC and the other chemicals are highly fat-soluble.

Citations needed.


Ah, well done. My GIS came up with a bunch of reasons why my comments appear to be wrong, according to studies. I must have been relying on folklore. Sorry.
 
2012-07-30 12:30:20 AM
m2313
chaoswolf: fark the market and fark the government. I should be able to grow it in the back yard next to the tomatoes.

This. This. Motherfarkin' THIS.


Maybe you hippy libs will think about that the next time you are celebrating the Civil War. And abortion. And gay rights. Just think about it, the right to govern yourself at th state level....waht do we call that...hmmmm...oh yeah, state rights
 
2012-07-30 12:41:27 AM

erupt2001: Barbecue Bob: Many people die from alcohol use. Nobody dies from marijuana use.
People die from alcohol overdoses. There has never been a fatal marijuana overdose.
Alcohol use damages the brain. Marijuana use does not.
The health-related costs associated with alcohol use far exceed those for marijuana use.
Alcohol use is linked to cancer. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol is more addictive than marijuana.
Alcohol use increases the risk of injury to the consumer. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use contributes to aggressive and violent behavior. Marijuana use does not.
Alcohol use is a major factor in violent crimes. Marijuana use is not.
Alcohol use contributes to the likelihood of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Marijuana use does not.

//citation; http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/

/Eat a cock trollmitter.

Oh yeah, that website is a totally unbiased and credible source. Case closed, time to legalize it.


I'm guessing it's better than any source you have to refute it.
Show me if I'm wrong.
 
2012-07-30 12:46:52 AM

whidbey: marijuana is, in fact, a drug that impairs judgment and shouldn't be treated lightly, just like alcohol

Citation needed.


Michael Phelps

/done
 
2012-07-30 01:04:46 AM

People_are_Idiots: There is a published study that states long-term, heavy marijuana use leads to memory loss and mild brain trauma, Here: Link. You supposedly can die from OD on marijuana, BUT it has to be 40,000 times more smoked or eaten than what is currently done. basically, in the amount of time it takes to consume 1, you'd have to consume 40k. Only way that might happen is if a marijuana farm catches fire.



i.e. "You're waaay more likely to be randomly crushed by a bale of cannabis falling from the sky than ever die from consuming cannabis". The fact that you even mention "facts" like this in conjunction with your argument makes it hard to take seriously. The article you sourced states that the participants in the study used at least 5 joints a day for over 10 years, they found the Tommy Chongs of society to compare against sober people years younger. 5 joints is a lot of weed to smoke in a day; assuming you roll a gram into a modest sized joint (about average) you're smoking well over a quarter pound a month.

The percentage of cannabis users who routinely consume over a quarter pound a month of cannabis is farking tiny. This is the population of the society that is taking out a handle of liquor every day. Sure these people exist, but these are by no means a representation of the population as a whole. Even your site concludes on that note:

""Although modest use may not lead to significant neurotoxic effects, these results suggest that heavy daily use might indeed be toxic to human brain tissue," Dr Yücel said."


As an aside, I randomly checked a couple links off the main page of your science site, and I got anti-climate science rhetoric from both. Conservative science would of course find a problem with cannabis. It's like getting your news from Fox versus the rest of the media, it's gonna have that spin on it.
 
2012-07-30 01:21:24 AM

skatedrifter: Pot is legal here in Denver, so I'm getting a kick out of these comments.


Yup, decriminalized here in Philly. Things pretty much stayed the same. It's almost like it was always here and nothing really changed...

Except for the tens of millions of dollars the city saved on court costs.
 
2012-07-30 01:25:33 AM
Never been black out high. Never been so high I couldn't walk. Marihuana is nothing like alcohol. Alcohol is a terrifying whore beast that ruins thanksgiving and vomits on children. That being said, I love Guinness.
 
2012-07-30 01:40:49 AM

whidbey: marijuana is, in fact, a drug that impairs judgment and shouldn't be treated lightly, just like alcohol

Citation needed.


You need citation that getting high impairs you?

Or you need citation that getting high should be done in moderation and only when/where appropriate, like alcohol?

I swear some of pot's interweb defenders have either never gotten high, or have spent so much time high they now lack the ability to make any unbiased judgments about it.
 
2012-07-30 01:43:19 AM

OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot


Stop playing devils advocate. You do a shiatty job at it.

police had motor skills tests long before the breathalyzer - and they are more accurately able to judge actual impairment than bac anyways because they measure impairment directly.
 
2012-07-30 01:46:16 AM

D_Evans45: People_are_Idiots: There is a published study that states long-term, heavy marijuana use leads to memory loss and mild brain trauma, Here: Link. You supposedly can die from OD on marijuana, BUT it has to be 40,000 times more smoked or eaten than what is currently done. basically, in the amount of time it takes to consume 1, you'd have to consume 40k. Only way that might happen is if a marijuana farm catches fire.


i.e. "You're waaay more likely to be randomly crushed by a bale of cannabis falling from the sky than ever die from consuming cannabis". The fact that you even mention "facts" like this in conjunction with your argument makes it hard to take seriously. The article you sourced states that the participants in the study used at least 5 joints a day for over 10 years, they found the Tommy Chongs of society to compare against sober people years younger. 5 joints is a lot of weed to smoke in a day; assuming you roll a gram into a modest sized joint (about average) you're smoking well over a quarter pound a month.


Most of the pot smokers I know use the ever famous "water bongs" and inhale the fumes. Also, I didn't say DIE from long term use... I said loss of memory functions. The amount of pot it takes to theoretically die from OD would be equivalent to 140,000 hits in the time frame of one cigarette. In other words, you can't do it UNLESS forced (no one can inhale that much MJ smoke by choice). The only real way to die from "smoking weed": some of the less-reputable dealers don't exactly use the best methods of cutting weed, and sometimes another drug can get mixed in (remember that most places still outlaw distribution), ie you wouldn't die from the MJ, you die from coke/crack/heroin/etc. Learn to read, please?

Also, I looked more at the site, and found articles like an article talking on the CO2 content and the change in climate, and How UV-B radiation is affecting marine life. It's a friggin Aussie science news site, not Daily Mail.
 
2012-07-30 01:52:30 AM

whidbey: OgreMagi: One of the barriers to getting pot legalized is a viable method of measuring how much someone has consumed and setting what constitutes impairment. We need a pot equivalent of the BAC test.

/I don't smoke pot

Obviously.


Finally, no matter how easy it is to grow there would still be a market for pre rolled.

There is a market for snuggies ffs. We are lazy, lazy people.
 
2012-07-30 02:34:56 AM

AssAsInAssassin: I have another friend, no mental illness, who just flat out quit because it made him paranoid and uneasy


Did he think people were trying to put him in jail?
 
2012-07-30 02:43:26 AM

Jument: Mr.Bobo: [farm4.staticflickr.com image 426x640]

Its a plant... Legalize it...

I farking hate that argument. If plants are good, how about you eat a death angel toadstool? The fact that it is a plant is as relevant to the discussion as the fact that the sky is blue. Stop being an idiot and maybe one day people will take you seriously.


Is it illegal to do so?

/also fungi
 
2012-07-30 02:57:03 AM

People_are_Idiots: Most of the pot smokers I know use the ever famous "water bongs" and inhale the fumes. Also, I didn't say DIE from long term use... I said loss of memory functions.


Uh yeah, you were talking some nonsense about needing 40,000x the pot normally smoked to get high. Are you taking some kind of intoxicants that are impairing your judgment?


The amount of pot it takes to theoretically die from OD would be equivalent to 140,000 hits in the time frame of one cigarette. In other words, you can't do it UNLESS forced (no one can inhale that much MJ smoke by choice). The only real way to die from "smoking weed": some of the less-reputable dealers don't exactly use the best methods of cutting weed, and sometimes another drug can get mixed in (remember that most places still outlaw distribution), ie you wouldn't die from the MJ, you die from coke/crack/heroin/etc. whargarbl garbl


You must be drunk, or just a rambling fool. First of all, people dont cut cannabis, you'd be an idiot to assume such a thing is common practice across America. Second, lacing cannabis bowl is not a common practice among street dealers and their customers. Drug dealing is about profit. Smearing your $60/gram heroin over a $10/gram joint of weed nets you $-50. Even Paco Gangmember can see that loss. Also, you don't think a cannabis user is going to notice the weed he is packing into his pipe is laden with enough cocaine or heroin to theoretically kill him? These guys are making sure each bong bowl is stem free, lethal brown or white rocks definitely draw attention. And let's not forget the important fact that neither cocaine or heroin can be smoked in a manner like cannabis to begin with, and therefore would be burned off harmlessly.


The way that youre going on about cutting weed and laced overdoses as if they are some real threat shows your ignorance on the subject. Its safe to assume youve been out of the game for quite awhile. Why dont you leave the talk to people with recent relevant experience that they arent blowing out of their asses?

/Also where the fark are you going with the 140,000 hit bullshiat? Have you any idea the volume of smoke that would entail? Nobody could do it forced or otherwise, not physically possible
 
2012-07-30 03:30:28 AM

D_Evans45: People_are_Idiots: Most of the pot smokers I know use the ever famous "water bongs" and inhale the fumes. Also, I didn't say DIE from long term use... I said loss of memory functions.

Uh yeah, you were talking some nonsense about needing 40,000x the pot normally smoked to get high. Are you taking some kind of intoxicants that are impairing your judgment?


The amount of pot it takes to theoretically die from OD would be equivalent to 140,000 hits in the time frame of one cigarette. In other words, you can't do it UNLESS forced (no one can inhale that much MJ smoke by choice). The only real way to die from "smoking weed": some of the less-reputable dealers don't exactly use the best methods of cutting weed, and sometimes another drug can get mixed in (remember that most places still outlaw distribution), ie you wouldn't die from the MJ, you die from coke/crack/heroin/etc. whargarbl garbl

You must be drunk, or just a rambling fool. First of all, people dont cut cannabis, you'd be an idiot to assume such a thing is common practice across America. Second, lacing cannabis bowl is not a common practice among street dealers and their customers. Drug dealing is about profit. Smearing your $60/gram heroin over a $10/gram joint of weed nets you $-50. Even Paco Gangmember can see that loss. Also, you don't think a cannabis user is going to notice the weed he is packing into his pipe is laden with enough cocaine or heroin to theoretically kill him? These guys are making sure each bong bowl is stem free, lethal brown or white rocks definitely draw attention. And let's not forget the important fact that neither cocaine or heroin can be smoked in a manner like cannabis to begin with, and therefore would be burned off harmlessly.


The way that youre going on about cutting weed and laced overdoses as if they are some real threat shows your ignorance on the subject. Its safe to assume youve been out of the game for quite awhile. Why dont you leave the talk to people with recent ...


Considering I hear about the deaths still common around here, it's not over with. Only way to eliminate most risks is to simply legalize it. For the info on the lethal (though unlikely) dose of marijuana: Link
 
2012-07-30 03:42:20 AM
Look, it took a bundle of money, one high powered lobbyist who didn't give a shiat either way and a lot of political pull to make the versatile plant illegal and once CONGRESS is bought -- it STAYS bought.

BTW. Henry Ford experimented with hemp in an early attempt to lighten his cars (or cheapen them, depending on your point of view) by making body panels. Had hemp flourished, we would not have so many forests chopped down and wouldn't have to put up with those sucky TV shows concerning modern loggers.

BTW. Don't really like pot myself -- unless I'm plastered -- but I don't mind anyone using it. Just so long as they treat it with the same caution as booze.

As for the lung thing -- well I doubt the findings as I found the stuff clogged up my tobacco pipes with resin faster than tobacco did and I know heavy users who developed a smokers cough. It might not be as dangerous, since no one has chosen to mass manufacture it with a bunch of crap added like Big Tobacco did with smokes.

I suspect the booze industry doesn't want the competition either, since even with new drinking laws and penalties, they advertise like mad and keep coming up with new, tasty looking drinks. Remember Ripple? Kids loved that stuff. More kids liked it than adults.

Pot leaves no miserable hangover either. Imagine, going out to party and NOT waking up the next morning feeling like you're gonna die and afraid that you might not.

No freaking way is Congress going to legalize the stuff in your lifetimes. Far too much money on both sides of the fence.
 
2012-07-30 04:06:28 AM

Wolf892: pxlboy: Wolf892: The only reason I don't want it legalized is because I know I wont be able to walk through the park or the halls of my apartment building or sit in a restaurant or pretty much go anywhere without having to smell the sickening stench of that crap. People will overuse it and there will be clouds of the stink seeping in everywhere.

Because smoking hasn't been banned in many public establishments? Settle down.

Doesn't help the apartment situation, or people walking around with it in their clothing, or at the parks. Its stench gets everywhere and I shouldn't have to be nauseated by it.


Oh? You're easily nauseated? You know what helps with nausea?
 
2012-07-30 04:46:08 AM

whidbey: marijuana is, in fact, a drug that impairs judgment and shouldn't be treated lightly, just like alcohol

Citation needed.


I am extremely stoned right now, but I am still coherently relative.
 
2012-07-30 05:29:23 AM

People_are_Idiots: D_Evans45: People_are_Idiots:
Most of the pot smokers I know use the ever famous "water bongs" and inhale the fumes. Also, I didn't say DIE from long term use... I said loss of memory functions. The amount of pot it takes to theoretically die from OD would be equivalent to 140,000 hits in the time frame of one cigarette. In other words, you can't do it UNLESS forced (no one can inhale that much MJ smoke by choice). The only real way to die from "smoking weed": some of the less-reputable dealers don't exactly use the best methods of cutting weed,


It's really your contention that smoking stems can kill you? You really think that your buddy from work you buy from and the grower/trimmer are the same person?

and sometimes another drug can get mixed in (remember that most places still outlaw distribution), ie you wouldn't die from the MJ, you die from coke/crack/heroin/etc. Learn to read, please?

It's really your contention that somehow drugs costing five times the price by weight somehow get accidentally "mixed in?" You clearly don't know any cokeheads.
 
2012-07-30 05:52:25 AM

Silly_Sot: "Just like alcohol"

Let's take that ball and run with it. If marijuana is "just like alcohol", then it should have the same laws apply to it. Age 18-21 to purchase, and it's illegal to drive under the influence or be intoxicated in public. I can live with that.


just like ALCOHOL wooooo

foodbeast.com
 
2012-07-30 05:53:25 AM

highwayrun: People_are_Idiots: D_Evans45: People_are_Idiots:
Most of the pot smokers I know use the ever famous "water bongs" and inhale the fumes. Also, I didn't say DIE from long term use... I said loss of memory functions. The amount of pot it takes to theoretically die from OD would be equivalent to 140,000 hits in the time frame of one cigarette. In other words, you can't do it UNLESS forced (no one can inhale that much MJ smoke by choice). The only real way to die from "smoking weed": some of the less-reputable dealers don't exactly use the best methods of cutting weed,

It's really your contention that smoking stems can kill you? You really think that your buddy from work you buy from and the grower/trimmer are the same person?

and sometimes another drug can get mixed in (remember that most places still outlaw distribution), ie you wouldn't die from the MJ, you die from coke/crack/heroin/etc. Learn to read, please?

It's really your contention that somehow drugs costing five times the price by weight somehow get accidentally "mixed in?" You clearly don't know any cokeheads.


you can DIE from crack? prove it!
 
2012-07-30 05:55:34 AM

highwayrun: People_are_Idiots: D_Evans45: People_are_Idiots:
Most of the pot smokers I know use the ever famous "water bongs" and inhale the fumes. Also, I didn't say DIE from long term use... I said loss of memory functions. The amount of pot it takes to theoretically die from OD would be equivalent to 140,000 hits in the time frame of one cigarette. In other words, you can't do it UNLESS forced (no one can inhale that much MJ smoke by choice). The only real way to die from "smoking weed": some of the less-reputable dealers don't exactly use the best methods of cutting weed,

It's really your contention that smoking stems can kill you? You really think that your buddy from work you buy from and the grower/trimmer are the same person?


Do you think a dealer just hands you the whole brick of marijuana? Someone's going to cut the brick into nickel/dime bags.

and sometimes another drug can get mixed in (remember that most places still outlaw distribution), ie you wouldn't die from the MJ, you die from coke/crack/heroin/etc. Learn to read, please?

It's really your contention that somehow drugs costing five times the price by weight somehow get accidentally "mixed in?" You clearly don't know any cokeheads.


Again and again.... some dealers don't necessarily use different tables for different drugs when they prepare, nor clean the tables after use. Here's an experiment for you: Cut peppers, onions, cinnamon sticks, and tomatoes, on the same cutting board and use the same knife without washing either... and eat the tomato slices.
 
2012-07-30 06:38:43 AM
Wow. Lotta fattie butthurt in here.

+337 Subby.
 
2012-07-30 06:50:08 AM

puffy999: Oh and to clarify, the reason I brought that up is because officers (if properly trained) should ask nearly before anything (other than asking about substances consumed) whether a person has a medical condition that may result in behavior that's odd or may simulate symptoms of being under the influence of something.


That's why I carry a Medical Alert card from the International Essential Tremor Foundation. I was unaware that it could be perceived as being drunk until someone called my company and told them they thought I was drunk on the job. Luckily for me, I work for relatives who know I don't drink on the job. In a field sobriety test, I would fail the "close your eyes and touch your nose" portion and possibly the "stand on one leg" portion too.
 
2012-07-30 08:33:28 AM

People_are_Idiots: Again and again.... some dealers don't necessarily use different tables for different drugs when they prepare, nor clean the tables after use. Here's an experiment for you: Cut peppers, onions, cinnamon sticks, and tomatoes, on the same cutting board and use the same knife without washing either... and eat the tomato slices.


The only drug that's remotely active in those trace amounts is LSD. You don't cut LSD or smoke it.
 
2012-07-30 10:26:17 AM
T

Novart: imfallen_angel: Author of article: Paul Armentano is the Deputy Director of NORML (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws)

yeah... non biased, I'm sure.

Who isn't biased?


People who are in paid advocacy positions might be considered a biased source, Cheech, your rhetoric fu aside
 
2012-07-30 10:33:14 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Silly_Sot: "Just like alcohol"

Let's take that ball and run with it. If marijuana is "just like alcohol", then it should have the same laws apply to it. Age 18-21 to purchase, and it's illegal to drive under the influence or be intoxicated in public. I can live with that.

just like ALCOHOL wooooo

[foodbeast.com image 640x480]


Couldn't they have found better looking models?
 
2012-07-30 10:49:44 AM
Pot is an industrial strength time waster. That said, schedule one for something that's on par with Sim City 4 is retarded.
 
2012-07-30 11:36:48 AM
i.ytimg.com
 
kgf
2012-07-30 12:52:15 PM

whidbey: The really embarrassing thing is that subby is very likely a flaming liberal in most political threads.

Most righties don't give a f*ck about pot legalization. It really rustles the jimmies of some of our more liberal-than-thou posters, though. I guess I should find that funny or something.


You are seriously confused. Perhaps you are thinking of Libertarians when you say "righties"? Righties hate pot and pot smokers.
 
2012-07-30 01:47:49 PM
LEGALIZE IT FOR WILLIE!

(at the very least...)
 
2012-07-30 02:05:34 PM

kgf: whidbey: The really embarrassing thing is that subby is very likely a flaming liberal in most political threads.

Most righties don't give a f*ck about pot legalization. It really rustles the jimmies of some of our more liberal-than-thou posters, though. I guess I should find that funny or something.

You are seriously confused. Perhaps you are thinking of Libertarians when you say "righties"? Righties hate pot and pot smokers.


Not true. there's a growing number of conservatives that support the legalization effort. Case in point: Pat Robertson.
 
2012-07-30 02:21:22 PM
Maybe some Farkers knowledgeable about drugs and hallucinogens can answer this lingering question for me:

I knew a guy in college who was convinced that the whole "you can't overdose on marijuana" rule applied to anything that was "all natural" and "came out of the ground." So he was a huge advocate of Peyote, Jimson Weed, and most vocally shrooms. He claimed that they were 100% safe, overdose was impossible, and that you could ingest as many as you wanted. He would, for example, make extremely potent shroom tea pretty much every day.

Now, I don't know much about shrooms, but that sounded wrong to me. Just cause it comes out of the ground or is "natural" doesn't mean its safe; I'm not going to survive licking a golden poison frog just because it's natural. I looked it up and showed him some cursory stuff about people ODing on mushrooms and needing stomach pumps, which he claimed was all part of a big science/media/government conspiracy against marijuana, shrooms, and the other "natural" drugs.

At the time I was genuinely worried about the dude's well-being--I mean, I'm not against having some fun, but that sounded like a pretty dangerous misconception. I just wanted him to slow down a bit and take some precautions. He disagreed so vehemently that it ended our friendship and we lost touch.

Was I wrong? I don't know enough about the science to weigh in one way or the other on whether there's a conspiracy or unfair stigma. Or is the dude probably dead /a vegetable by now?
 
2012-07-30 03:12:19 PM

Booface1985: Maybe some Farkers knowledgeable about drugs and hallucinogens can answer this lingering question for me:

I knew a guy in college who was convinced that the whole "you can't overdose on marijuana" rule applied to anything that was "all natural" and "came out of the ground." So he was a huge advocate of Peyote, Jimson Weed, and most vocally shrooms. He claimed that they were 100% safe, overdose was impossible, and that you could ingest as many as you wanted. He would, for example, make extremely potent shroom tea pretty much every day.

Now, I don't know much about shrooms, but that sounded wrong to me. Just cause it comes out of the ground or is "natural" doesn't mean its safe; I'm not going to survive licking a golden poison frog just because it's natural. I looked it up and showed him some cursory stuff about people ODing on mushrooms and needing stomach pumps, which he claimed was all part of a big science/media/government conspiracy against marijuana, shrooms, and the other "natural" drugs.

At the time I was genuinely worried about the dude's well-being--I mean, I'm not against having some fun, but that sounded like a pretty dangerous misconception. I just wanted him to slow down a bit and take some precautions. He disagreed so vehemently that it ended our friendship and we lost touch.

Was I wrong? I don't know enough about the science to weigh in one way or the other on whether there's a conspiracy or unfair stigma. Or is the dude probably dead /a vegetable by now?


I dunno about Jimson weed or peyote but it is true you can't overdose on oral THC or psilocibin (shrooms). The reason has nothing to do with them being natural, it just happens to be that they aren't poisonous. You can OD on water if you drink too much, don't forget.

Of course the argument that 'lol durr hurr potheads think because it's natural it can't hurt you, what about cyanide? hurrdurr.' is a dead end because all those naturally poisonous plants are legal to own in unlimited quantity.

It has nothing to do with danger and everything to do with political usefulness and profit. People can't ignore that any longer.
 
2012-07-30 03:15:36 PM
I read the headline as:

Five "scientific conclusions" about cannibals the media doesn't want you to know. Missing from the list: marijuana is, in fact, a drug that impairs judgment and shouldn't be treated lightly, just like alcohol.

Which made the premise really odd.

Marijuana impairs judgement and causes cannibals!

STOP THE PRESS!
 
2012-07-30 03:19:33 PM

lewismarktwo: Booface1985: Maybe some Farkers knowledgeable about drugs and hallucinogens can answer this lingering question for me:

I knew a guy in college who was convinced that the whole "you can't overdose on marijuana" rule applied to anything that was "all natural" and "came out of the ground." So he was a huge advocate of Peyote, Jimson Weed, and most vocally shrooms. He claimed that they were 100% safe, overdose was impossible, and that you could ingest as many as you wanted. He would, for example, make extremely potent shroom tea pretty much every day.

Now, I don't know much about shrooms, but that sounded wrong to me. Just cause it comes out of the ground or is "natural" doesn't mean its safe; I'm not going to survive licking a golden poison frog just because it's natural. I looked it up and showed him some cursory stuff about people ODing on mushrooms and needing stomach pumps, which he claimed was all part of a big science/media/government conspiracy against marijuana, shrooms, and the other "natural" drugs.

At the time I was genuinely worried about the dude's well-being--I mean, I'm not against having some fun, but that sounded like a pretty dangerous misconception. I just wanted him to slow down a bit and take some precautions. He disagreed so vehemently that it ended our friendship and we lost touch.

Was I wrong? I don't know enough about the science to weigh in one way or the other on whether there's a conspiracy or unfair stigma. Or is the dude probably dead /a vegetable by now?

I dunno about Jimson weed or peyote but it is true you can't overdose on oral THC or psilocibin (shrooms). The reason has nothing to do with them being natural, it just happens to be that they aren't poisonous. You can OD on water if you drink too much, don't forget.

Of course the argument that 'lol durr hurr potheads think because it's natural it can't hurt you, what about cyanide? hurrdurr.' is a dead end because all those naturally poisonous plants are legal to own in unlimite ...


dupily dupily hurr duurp
dirupity durp durpd upr
 
2012-07-30 03:19:33 PM

Agent Smiths Laugh: I read the headline as:

Five "scientific conclusions" about cannibals the media doesn't want you to know.


Put down the bong, Shaggy. You're poster material.
 
2012-07-30 03:28:35 PM

Booface1985: At the time I was genuinely worried about the dude's well-being--I mean, I'm not against having some fun, but that sounded like a pretty dangerous misconception. I just wanted him to slow down a bit and take some precautions. He disagreed so vehemently that it ended our friendship and we lost touch.

Was I wrong? I don't know enough about the science to weigh in one way or the other on whether there's a conspiracy or unfair stigma. Or is the dude probably dead /a vegetable by now?


You were/are correct in your assessment, and your friend was bound for an early grave or long hospital stay based on that list. The misconception that natural means safe is one that is pervasive, reinforced by advertisers and schisters alike to sell snake oil.

Jimson weed is poisonous and can kill or injure a user after ingesting the dosages needed for hallucinogenic effects. Psilocilbin is toxic and can cause death, generally at a higher intake level than most people can stand to keep down without vomiting; someone who has taken them many times is more likely to reach toxicity due to acclimation to and suppression of the gag reflex that accompanies ingestion, but it still requires an amazing set of circumstances to reach. I cannot speak to the toxicity of peyote. Ironically, the toxicity of LSD is substantially lower than everything on that list, at least when comparing effective dosage to toxic levels. As mentioned elsewhere, THC can be toxic, but at such substantial levels that there are only a slim handful of reported cases of that occurring (I know of one).

There are plenty of naturally occurring compounds that will kill a person, and almost nothing in existence is entirely non-toxic to humans in some fashion.
 
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