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2012-07-29 04:39:47 PM  
Token Anarchist: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Token Anarchist:

Critical Mass is an action to oppose "car culture" and the fact that communities are so spread out that more and more driving is needed, with all the harms that come with it. Most of the riders would probably advocate communities where people are more connected, both regionally and in a leadership capacity, with their labor.

Not everyone wants to live in a skyscraper surrounded by a million other assholes all within spitting distance. Also, everything is harmful, why don't bicyclists just walk? Think of how much energy went into making a bicycle that could be saved by walking.

I'm no physicist, but maybe the calories saved by riding a bike eventually even out the energy input used to build one, especially if you consider the productivity improvement from being able to travel faster. Pure speculation, though.

I'm not suggesting the cyberpunk dystopia of skyscrapers filled with workers. More along the lines of employment being within a community, employing members of the community. The current system seems to alienate communities from their labor and means of production.


So what you're saying is that if we run down all the Critical mass people, Ghost in the Shell will become a reality?

/MOTOKO!!!!!!
 
2012-07-29 04:44:01 PM  
Token Anarchist: I for one hate how, on minimum wage and being a college student, I have to own a car. My community is too sprawled out to walk, and the roads are too narrow. And the drivers too asshats.
 
2012-07-29 04:46:23 PM  

Skywolf Philosopher: Token Anarchist: I for one hate how, on minimum wage and being a college student, I have to own a car. My community is too sprawled out to walk, and the roads are too narrow. And the drivers too asshats.


Same here. I especially hate watching that little meter on the dash that constantly reminds me of how much money I'm losing.
 
2012-07-29 04:47:26 PM  

lisarenee3505: Token Anarchist: BronyMedic:

It's weird that never happens in CCW states with no duty to retreat. Maybe has something to do with the fact that someone reaching in your car makes you able to respond with justifiable lethal force.

Being violent is completely stupid in this situation, I fully agree with you. Critical Mass is one small part of a larger struggle. As a leaderless movement, there are bound to be idiots. I was mainly referring to the idea that people shouldn't so actions because someone else is inconvenienced by it.

I can understand "blocking" roads, which is actually completely legal, as long as they're in motion. Would you rather hundreds of cyclists ride on the sidewalk?

Critical Mass is an action to oppose "car culture" and the fact that communities are so spread out that more and more driving is needed, with all the harms that come with it. Most of the riders would probably advocate communities where people are more connected, both regionally and in a leadership capacity, with their labor.

Social War is just a catch-all term for the struggle against forces of hierarchy and oppression, as opposed to the outdated (imho) concept of Class War, which mainly focuses on economic oppression. Social war includes struggles against racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, as well as the social structures that encourage or impose it.
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Dude you do realize that when your "social war" goes into full-on Revolution mode, you're probably going to be one of the first douchebags to get shot in the face, right? You know what the easiest way is to deal with crap like Critical Mass? KEEP DRIVING. I'm pretty sure that in the battle of 6500lb. car vs. a dozen douchedbags on bicycles, the car is going to win every single time. No I wouldn't rather have them ride on the sidewalks, I'd rather they accept the fact that we DO live in a car culture, and if they want to ride their damn bikes so bad, do it out in the country where you're not incon ...


So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?
 
2012-07-29 04:51:51 PM  
182 arrests? Well it couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people.
 
2012-07-29 04:52:45 PM  
Token Anarchist: So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?

Causing thousands of dollars in property damage to someone's vehicle, and trying to pick fights with them is non-violent?

I think cyclists have every right to use the road, but let's be honest here. It's not because they're riding bicycles that people think they're douchebags.
 
2012-07-29 04:53:19 PM  

Token Anarchist: So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?


Quoth the anarchist
 
2012-07-29 04:55:46 PM  

Token Anarchist: Skywolf Philosopher: Token Anarchist: I for one hate how, on minimum wage and being a college student, I have to own a car. My community is too sprawled out to walk, and the roads are too narrow. And the drivers too asshats.

Same here. I especially hate watching that little meter on the dash that constantly reminds me of how much money I'm losing.


yea bro, I feel like I need to add a safari bar to the front of my sedan to keep the cyclers' toys from bouncing off my hood every time they blow a stop sign or red light. plus those tiny bicycle decals on the side of my door with an X through them are pretty pricy after a while.
 
2012-07-29 04:56:23 PM  
Critical Mass complaint: Cars don't share the roads with cyclists, making it hazardous to ride. Critical Mass solution: Refuse to share the road with CARS, making car drivers hate cyclists, and wish them harm.
BRILLIANT!

/Cyclist when I live in a city where that's feasible.
//Usually live in suburban Atlanta, where it isn't.
 
2012-07-29 04:57:08 PM  

Token Anarchist: So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?


She is also a "truther", so consider that when assessing her mental state.
 
2012-07-29 04:58:07 PM  

BronyMedic: I think cyclists have every right to use the road, but let's be honest here. It's not because they're riding bicycles that people think they're douchebags.


Exactly. If I organized a few hundred people to drive their cars (or any other vehicle) around in formation at rush-hour just to exacerbate congestion, the dick-factor would be equally high. Their vehicle of choice isn't the issue, it's that they're intentionally causing problems just for its own sake. Sociopathic douchbags, the lot of them.
 
2012-07-29 04:58:19 PM  

Token Anarchist: I can understand "blocking" roads, which is actually completely legal, as long as they're in motion. Would you rather hundreds of cyclists ride on the sidewalk?

Critical Mass is an action to oppose "car culture" and the fact that communities are so spread out that more and more driving is needed, with all the harms that come with it. Most of the riders would probably advocate communities where people are more connected, both regionally and in a leadership capacity, with their labor.


Yes, I would rather people on bikes ride on the sidewalk, where they need to be. I know the law says they should be on the road, it's a dumb law. A bicycle on a road is an obstacle and impediment to traffic.

I get so pissed off when I'm driving somewhere and some dumbfark on a bike is riding in the road, right in the middle of the lane, and I have to go from 35 or 45 to 10 or 15 because this guy won't just go buy a farking car.

You want to complain that lousy urban planning has made cars de facto mandatory for life in the modern US? Go ahead, but pissing off everybody with cars just makes people hate you. Note the sheer level of hatred in this thread for Critical (M)Ass. That's because attention whoring and being dicks out on the road has made people hate bicyclists even more.

You want to completely rebuild the bulk of modern cityscapes to a more pedestrian and bicycle friendly layout? You aren't going to get that with periodically jamming highways with bikes and acting antagonistic to drivers.
 
2012-07-29 04:59:58 PM  

lisarenee3505: I'd rather they accept the fact that we DO live in a car culture, and if they want to ride their damn bikes so bad, do it out in the country where you're not inconveniencing people who are just trying to go about their daily business and don't have time for a bunch of whiny little farkwads.


Speaking of whiny little farkwads...
 
2012-07-29 05:00:13 PM  
Dimensio: Token Anarchist: So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?

She is also a "truther", so consider that when assessing her mental state.


I just agreed with a truther?

I feel dirty. I need to take a shower now.
 
2012-07-29 05:00:31 PM  

daRog: Agent Smiths Laugh: Every time I see that image I wonder if it is legitimate or 'shopped.

Anyone have an accurate answer?

It's legit.


What image?
 
2012-07-29 05:03:14 PM  

BronyMedic: Dimensio: Token Anarchist: So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?

She is also a "truther", so consider that when assessing her mental state.

I just agreed with a truther?

I feel dirty. I need to take a shower now.


A shower ain't gettin THAT off.

BronyMedic: I think cyclists have every right to use the road, but let's be honest here. It's not because they're riding bicycles that people think they're douchebags.


Bingo. Well said, sir.
 
2012-07-29 05:04:37 PM  

mbillips: Critical Mass complaint: Cars don't share the roads with cyclists, making it hazardous to ride. Critical Mass solution: Refuse to share the road with CARS, making car drivers hate cyclists, and wish them harm.
BRILLIANT!

/Cyclist when I live in a city where that's feasible.
//Usually live in suburban Atlanta, where it isn't.


I imagine a conversation that goes something like this:

"Theory: if there were enough of us we could change the rules of the road and make cities more bike-friendly.

Great idea, what should we call the movement?

Critical Mass.

Excellent. How do we get enough people involved to reach critical mass and demand change?

Act like the world's biggest douche bags and make damn sure the majority of people are unsympathetic to our cause and wouldn't be caught dead being associated with us. Then we'll profit, oh yes, just wait BWA HA HA."
 
2012-07-29 05:05:00 PM  

Token Anarchist: So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?


You are the one who said you were waging a "Social War". Want to wage an open war on society? Want a revolution? Yeah, you're advocating violence, especially since your comment was in reference to aggressive (NOT non-violent) actions taken by Critical Mass groups harassing and threatening motorists. Want to be an anarchist like your handle says? Go right ahead, but understand that the authorities and law abiding citizens won't stand for it.

You can't say you want a revolution and want to wage warfare on motorists, then play the "non-violent" card when it is pointed out to you that if you do what you already advocated, you're going to end up with acute lead poisoning real quick.

Funny thing is, I'm a liberal. I'm married to an outright hippie, but you've got to know your limits. Hell, I even agree with you that modern urban planning has too much emphasis on cars, but you're fighting this battle completely the wrong way. You're making lots of enemies and setting yourself up to fail hard.
 
2012-07-29 05:05:23 PM  

thnksqrd: daRog: Agent Smiths Laugh: Every time I see that image I wonder if it is legitimate or 'shopped.

Anyone have an accurate answer?

It's legit.

What image?


An image of one rider being killed and half a dozen more being put in critical condition.

You know, a classy picture to post. Posted by classy people.
 
2012-07-29 05:05:31 PM  

BronyMedic: Weaver95: GAT_00: Hmm, asshole cyclists or authoritarian cops. Goddammit, can't we blame both of them?

I think I'll hate the authoritarians. I can ignore assholes, authoritarian dickholes with guns and a badge are a bigger threat.

You know how people can tell you're not only an American, but a stupid American, as the French say?


You know how I can you're a self-absorbed douche nozzle that wishes he were a self-absorbed douche nozzle that has to be to the gym in 26 minutes?
 
2012-07-29 05:10:29 PM  
The government is always right. Just ask gat and weaver. pay the price you peddling assholes.
 
2012-07-29 05:10:37 PM  
DownDaRiver: You know how I can you're a self-absorbed douche nozzle that wishes he were a self-absorbed douche nozzle that has to be to the gym in 26 minutes?

Hey. I'm glad I can make you feel superior in some way to everyone else. That's what matters in the end. And thanks for that laugh. Self absorbed. Oh wow.

http://arch.413chan.net/MLP_flutteryshy_deal_with_it-(n1309039297302) . png
 
2012-07-29 05:11:43 PM  
182? That's a good start.
 
2012-07-29 05:18:15 PM  
Oh a bike hate thread. As someone who helped a dude who went head first into a parked car last night while I was trying to relax with some friends at the bar, I'm getting a kick out of these...

/no, wait, i'm not. i don't like seeing holes in skin big enough to see the bones underneath...
 
2012-07-29 05:18:57 PM  

lisarenee3505: . And these Critical Mass-type protests are anything but non-violent. These farkwads are FORCING people to do something they do not want to do. They are putting up a resistance to accepted social norms, and resistance is never polite.


I think you are a little unclear as to the definition of the word violent.

Violent:
kiaoragaza.files.wordpress.com

Violent:
merovee.files.wordpress.com

Not Violent:
times-up.org

Hyperbole really only makes you look like a fool.
 
2012-07-29 05:22:31 PM  

whatshisname: Weaver95: obnoxious cyclists are way down on my list of things to worry about. I think they're right above '10 year cross dressers wearing clown makeup'.

I think a lot of the hate for cyclists is because they're usually going faster than the cars stuck in traffic. It's mostly jealousy.


In Chicago they are hated because they have surpassed even cabbies in their total disregard for the rules of the road. To the extent that I take pleasure in watching them wreck, because it's generally their own fault.
 
2012-07-29 05:23:09 PM  

whatshisname: Weaver95: obnoxious cyclists are way down on my list of things to worry about. I think they're right above '10 year cross dressers wearing clown makeup'.

I think a lot of the hate for cyclists is because they're usually going faster than the cars stuck in traffic. It's mostly jealousy.


Envy. You're jealous of what you have, envious of what others have.
 
2012-07-29 05:28:50 PM  

Token Anarchist: Critical Mass is an action to oppose "car culture" and the fact that communities are so spread out that more and more driving is needed, with all the harms that come with it. Most of the riders would probably advocate communities where people are more connected, both regionally and in a leadership capacity, with their labor.


If it's a protest, it's not very effective at winning "hearts and minds". It seems more like sociopathic douchbags who wrap themselves in the banner of "protest" to avoid having to admit that "we just like to piss other people off for sport". Day-to-day life is inconvenient enough without intentionally making it worse.

I don't even *like* driving. When I can commute by train, I do. I'd happily vote for more transit funding until US cities have as functional of a system as -- say -- Japan. ...but the Critical Mass douchnozzles just make me want to advocate more regulations on bikes.
 
2012-07-29 05:30:22 PM  

joonyer: thnksqrd: daRog: Agent Smiths Laugh: Every time I see that image I wonder if it is legitimate or 'shopped.

Anyone have an accurate answer?

It's legit.

What image?

An image of one rider being killed and half a dozen more being put in critical condition.

You know, a classy picture to post. Posted by classy people.


So you're saying it's a good start
 
2012-07-29 05:35:51 PM  

jshine: If it's a protest, it's not very effective at winning "hearts and minds". It seems more like sociopathic douchbags who wrap themselves in the banner of "protest" to avoid having to admit that "we just like to piss other people off for sport". Day-to-day life is inconvenient enough without intentionally making it worse.

I don't even *like* driving. When I can commute by train, I do. I'd happily vote for more transit funding until US cities have as functional of a system as -- say -- Japan. ...but the Critical Mass douchnozzles just make me want to advocate more regulations on bikes.


As someone who has been significantly delayed by the Critical Massholes on a bus and on foot, I agree completely. They seem to forget that the fark things up for those of us who aren't even in cars as well.
 
2012-07-29 05:40:07 PM  

BronyMedic: DownDaRiver: You know how I can you're a self-absorbed douche nozzle that wishes he were a self-absorbed douche nozzle that has to be to the gym in 26 minutes?

Hey. I'm glad I can make you feel superior in some way to everyone else. That's what matters in the end. And thanks for that laugh. Self absorbed. Oh wow.

http://arch.413chan.net/MLP_flutteryshy_deal_with_it-(n1309039297302) . png


lol what?
 
2012-07-29 05:42:08 PM  
I know a guy that got arrested once. For driving. Does it matter how and where he was driving? Not to subby apparently.
 
2012-07-29 05:59:19 PM  
Token Anarchist: fighting against sexism and homophobia by ignoring traffic laws and putting others at risk of injury or death, one violation at a time.
 
2012-07-29 06:01:51 PM  

Token Anarchist: So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?


I don't advocate running over squirrels that dash out into the street in front of cars, but I can PREDICT what will happen when they do.
 
2012-07-29 06:06:12 PM  

luktti: Like you a//holes in your cars never plug traffic


we don't do it intentionally in order to prove some poorly conceived point.

every "critical" ride has hordes of cyclists ignoring traffic laws for the sole purpose of clogging traffic.
fark
those
assholes.
 
2012-07-29 06:14:19 PM  
Those Critical Mass farkwits tie up the College Park area in Orlando during rush hour every month. They're rude as hell and for the life of me I can't understand why OPD chooses not to do anything about it. If you can't ride your bike on the road while adhering to the applicable traffic laws, fark you, and I'll have no sympathy at all for you if your actions result in bodily harm to you.
 
2012-07-29 06:15:17 PM  
Token Anarchist
The Olympics is the biggest ruling-class pissing contest that exists, outside of wars. The oppressive measures taken by every host nation in recent history, as well at the gentrification and corporate handouts of our tax dollars, is a serious concern to many people.

It seems like the best time and place, imho.


I meant Fark
 
2012-07-29 06:17:27 PM  

Sliding Carp: Token Anarchist: So you advocate violence, possibly murder, against people engaging in a non-violent activity, because it wastes your time?

I don't advocate running over squirrels that dash out into the street in front of cars, but I can PREDICT what will happen when they do.


I like the cut of your jib.


I've often said, "yes, you have right of way, but that won't stop 4,526lbs of car, no matter how right you are."
 
2012-07-29 06:17:32 PM  
and this thread particularly
 
2012-07-29 06:24:29 PM  

Token Anarchist: I can understand "blocking" roads, which is actually completely legal, as long as they're in motion. Would you rather hundreds of cyclists ride on the sidewalk?


No. But why can't they stop at the light like regular cyclists?

I don't drive. I'm all for less "car culture." But I've been stuck at a green light (on my bike) unable to proceed because Critical Mass was ignoring the red light in their direction and just continuing to block the road.

Whether you drive, bike, or walk, signals are there to manage crossing points for a reason. When everyone just does their own thing, it's inefficient chaos.

If people want to make a movement to block OFF streets at certain times to have essentially block parties or big pedestrian events, with announcements, it seems that would be a better way to say "the streets should be for living rather than commuting" if that's what people want to do. Think back to the days of pushcarts and kids constantly in the street, etc, it was more living than travelling.

Otherwise IMHO the best thing for cyclists (cyclists who want to get from point A to point B and be respected along the way) to do is obey the road rules. Take up the lane, all that, fine (sometimes you need to and it's safer) but don't be running red lights, all that does is cement the image of cyclists as law-breaking reckless people who shouldn't be on the road because they're unpredictable.
 
2012-07-29 06:29:30 PM  

flucto: "Theory: if there were enough of us we could change the rules of the road and make cities more bike-friendly.


I do think this works - IF everyone is obeying the road rules!

daRog: Police investigator Jose Alfredo Rodriguez says the 28-year-old driver was apparently drunk and fell asleep when he crashed into the race.


You just know it's a matter of time before some ass tries to up the ante by being drunk, TEXTING, and falling asleep...
 
2012-07-29 06:31:51 PM  
Those critical assholes having doing this in my town the last few weeks, too. They'll congregate near a major intersection at around dinner time when people are heading out to bars, clubs, and restaurants. And then they ride out into the intersection, and just start circling as fast as their precious snowflake legs can pedal. It doesn't matter that the light changes, they just stay in the intersection, circling around like those swarms of fish that thresher sharks like to hunt. Until the cops show up and use the paddywagons to drive out into their path and force them to leave, there's nothing anyone else can do.

And it only has the effects of increasing pollution from the idling cars stuck on the road, pissing off drivers, pissing off cops, and even pissing off pedestrians that also can't cross the intersection because the critical assholes mow them down.
 
2012-07-29 06:36:42 PM  
Critical Mass (in terms of asshole cyclists who think they're making some kind of statement) = Asshole Cyclists.
 
2012-07-29 07:33:10 PM  

itazurakko: I do think this works - IF everyone is obeying the road rules!


Civil disobedience is powerful but when you completely piss off people whose support you need you're doing it wrong. I think NYC could be way, way more bike friendly but the vision of lawlessness that these bozos espouse cannot be allowed.
 
2012-07-29 07:37:13 PM  

PacManDreaming: 182? Well, it's a start.


Exactly what I was thinking.

We had riders get pissed around us because they were cited and told to get off the road for impeding traffic, on group decided they weren't breaking any laws so they kept riding and got a trip to jail.

Oh all of this took place on a major road at 5pm on a Friday, knowing the drivers around here they were lucky they werent ran over or shot on principle alone. There is also an ordinance that says you need a permit to ride in groups larger than 10, there were about 50 and they backed up traffic for almost 6 miles.
 
2012-07-29 07:37:33 PM  
Bicycles do not have the same rights to the road as a car does. Bike laws specifically say that riders have to stay as far right as possible and/or practical. These critical mass douches are violating the law whenever they hold one of their rides and the cops should put a stop to it.
 
2012-07-29 07:39:58 PM  

luktti: Like you a//holes in your cars never plug traffic


The difference is that we can move at more than 10mph so here is some simple math.

2000 pound car > 200 lb bike+person, so you lose every time but yeah take your life in your own hands.
 
2012-07-29 07:43:32 PM  
I'm all for arresting these one ball, Lance Armstrong wannabees. I hate them!
 
2012-07-29 07:55:15 PM  

Token Anarchist: ...
Critical Mass is an action to oppose "car culture" and the fact that communities are so spread out that more and more driving is needed, with all the harms that come with it. Most of the riders would probably advocate communities where people are more connected, both regionally and in a leadership capacity, with their labor.


So why not trying leading by example, setting up these communities and not imposing on other people?

Also, aside from Venice, I can't think of any city where action to oppose "car culture" could be considered to be a more fatuous waste of time than London.
 
2012-07-29 08:17:48 PM  
www.madhollywood.com

Maybe we can send some "public relations" consultants from the LAPD to help the constabulary understand how to properly deal with a criminal traffic stop. And to show them what a billy club shampoo is. They'll have to change the vocabulary from the cop's line about "hitting some home runs" to whatever the equivalent is in cricket.
 
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