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(Deadline)   The Dark Knight Rises closes in on $500 million, taking the weekend box office by storm. Meanwhile, few people watched The Watch, which debuted at #2, or stepped up to buy a ticket for Step Up Revolution, which debuted at #4   (deadline.com) divider line 157
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2012-07-29 12:12:02 PM  
What about number three?
 
2012-07-29 12:13:01 PM  
Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?
 
2012-07-29 12:18:50 PM  
The watch was very funny. I hope more people see it. They should also try to check out Killer Joe and Ruby Sparks. Two other good movies that opened this weekend. Ahhh, 3 movies, $7. Thank god for NYC theaters!
 
2012-07-29 12:19:33 PM  
I seriously thought the trailer for Step Up Whatever was a joke when I was forced to sit through it at the movies. It seemed so drenched in satire it seemed unpossible that it was real.
 
2012-07-29 12:23:40 PM  

likes838: I seriously thought the trailer for Step Up Whatever was a joke when I was forced to sit through it at the movies. It seemed so drenched in satire it seemed unpossible that it was real.


I feel that way about all of those movies. As far as I can tell, the premise for them is that hardcore street thugs settle their differences with dance competitions? Is that basically it?
 
2012-07-29 12:24:05 PM  

likes838: I seriously thought the trailer for Step Up Whatever was a joke when I was forced to sit through it at the movies. It seemed so drenched in satire it seemed unpossible that it was real.


It truly does seem like someone's incredibly well done elaborate joke. But when you get right down to, it, weren't the 80s full of "we're going to fight against ____________ using the magical power of dance."

It's pretty much a shot for shot remake of "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo."
 
2012-07-29 12:26:12 PM  
**Possible Spoilers**

I was actually kind of disappointed in it. I loved the first two, but I feel like Nolan actually went too far into the pretentiousness of his Batman. Having him moping around and whining about being Batman was just annoying and boring.

Having Bruce give up on Batman just seems so out of character with every other version of the character I've ever liked. The movie itself just seemed badly characterized and paced.

I still liked it. But it was kind of disappointing in some way I haven't quite placed yet.
 
2012-07-29 12:27:15 PM  
The Watch was....okay overall. Last 40 mins are awesome,though.
 
2012-07-29 12:31:27 PM  
I went to go see TDKR on Thursday. An hour in, the fire alarm went off and they couldn't get it turned off. They sent us home with two free passes
 
2012-07-29 12:33:20 PM  

Shadowknight: I still liked it. But it was kind of disappointing in some way I haven't quite placed yet.


The vast majority of any complaints I have with the film are all based on expectations I had. I think this is rather common. Could name specifics, but I would hate to spoil things. The real complaints with the film simply are not significant enough for me to be disappointed in any stretch; no film is perfect.
 
2012-07-29 12:33:48 PM  

farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?


Careful with that shiat - coloring books movies are Serious Business TM
 
2012-07-29 12:35:47 PM  

farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?


Apparently if you turn any goofy comic book into a gritty crime drama, people will fawn over it like its a farking masterpiece.
 
2012-07-29 12:40:08 PM  

BokChoy: farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?

Apparently if you turn any goofy comic book into a gritty crime drama, people will fawn over it like its a farking masterpiece.


Yeah like those philistines who fawn over Citizen Kane. It's just a gussied-up version of Scrooge McDuck.
 
2012-07-29 12:41:22 PM  
No subby, you mean #1 with a bullet. DUR HUR HUR
 
2012-07-29 12:43:21 PM  

Vangor: Shadowknight: I still liked it. But it was kind of disappointing in some way I haven't quite placed yet.

The vast majority of any complaints I have with the film are all based on expectations I had. I think this is rather common. Could name specifics, but I would hate to spoil things. The real complaints with the film simply are not significant enough for me to be disappointed in any stretch; no film is perfect.


I suppose. It's just that it lost me right from the beginning. I just figured that with Rachel dying, every incarnation of the Bat I've known and loved would have just gone even more hardcore. He would have lost himself in the cape, not just went all hermit in his house.

It just got worse from there for me. From Alfred's reaction to Lucius' change of heart to character betrayal I saw from about the first ten minutes after they were introduced... like I said, I can't really tag any major specifics. Just felt like a different Batman than I was expecting, I guess.

/also, Bale still growled like a starving dog
 
2012-07-29 12:43:26 PM  
Yikes, Box Office Mojo has "Ice Age 4" overtaking "The Watch" for #2.

Glad I swapped "The Watch" for "Ted" on my Summer Movie League. I just wish I hadn't left "Ted" at #9 overall, but how the hell could anyone have guessed that the talking teddy bear movie was going to make $200 million?
 
2012-07-29 12:49:02 PM  
FYI to anyone who hasn't see the film: TDKR is a BRUCE WAYNE film, not a Batman film. Knowing this, you won't be disappoint.
 
2012-07-29 12:49:18 PM  
I loved... LOVED the first 2 batman movies. Nolan is an artist. Dark Knight Rises was.... not good. It saddens me to say that, but it was not good. The first half of the movie is boring. It's the Bruce Wayne pitty party. Catwoman was shoehorned in there so that they could shake a pretty booty around the screen and give Batman a hot chick to kiss at the dramatic point.
Then there's the fake out ending. Is he dead? SURPRISE! He's not! Didn't see that one coming... What was the point of that?
Blake decides to become Robin... Ok, that's neat. Too bad we'll never see that movie. And his name is Robin Blake? Seriously? And he's supposed to be Robin? There have been 5 robins and none of them were named Robin Blake. WTF?
Damn near any fight Batman gets into makes him look like a little biatch. He's the god damned BATMAN! WTF? And the big fight at the end... A farking street brawl? Batman in a daylight street brawl? He's the dark knight. He uses fear and stealth. He doesn't throw down on Main Street at noon!
And then there's "Bane." Let's completely ignore the richly developed and established plethora of Batman villains and let's invent a TOTALLY new bad guy. Then let's just slap an established character's name on him! BRILLIANT! Why not just call him the penguin? Or Riddlerface. WTF.
Then there's the totally unnecessary shoehorning in of Talia al ghul and the brotherhood of assassins. Totally unnecessary. I felt like I was watching Spiderman 3 all over again. How many bad guys can we cram into one movie!?

FFS. I was disappointed. :-(

/Oh ya. Spoilers.
 
2012-07-29 12:57:43 PM  

Honest Bender: I loved... LOVED the first 2 batman movies. Nolan is an artist. Dark Knight Rises was.... not good. It saddens me to say that, but it was not good. The first half of the movie is boring. It's the Bruce Wayne pitty party. Catwoman was shoehorned in there so that they could shake a pretty booty around the screen and give Batman a hot chick to kiss at the dramatic point.
Then there's the fake out ending. Is he dead? SURPRISE! He's not! Didn't see that one coming... What was the point of that?
Blake decides to become Robin... Ok, that's neat. Too bad we'll never see that movie. And his name is Robin Blake? Seriously? And he's supposed to be Robin? There have been 5 robins and none of them were named Robin Blake. WTF?
Damn near any fight Batman gets into makes him look like a little biatch. He's the god damned BATMAN! WTF? And the big fight at the end... A farking street brawl? Batman in a daylight street brawl? He's the dark knight. He uses fear and stealth. He doesn't throw down on Main Street at noon!
And then there's "Bane." Let's completely ignore the richly developed and established plethora of Batman villains and let's invent a TOTALLY new bad guy. Then let's just slap an established character's name on him! BRILLIANT! Why not just call him the penguin? Or Riddlerface. WTF.
Then there's the totally unnecessary shoehorning in of Talia al ghul and the brotherhood of assassins. Totally unnecessary. I felt like I was watching Spiderman 3 all over again. How many bad guys can we cram into one movie!?

FFS. I was disappointed. :-(

/Oh ya. Spoilers.


There were fewer "Anne Hathaway's ass in tight leather" shots than I expected.

Also, it couuld have done without catwoman entirely....the whole "reluctant hero who shows up at the last minute" thing loses its punch when you can see it coming from a mile away.
 
2012-07-29 01:00:23 PM  

Mulchpuppy: Yikes, Box Office Mojo has "Ice Age 4" overtaking "The Watch" for #2.

Glad I swapped "The Watch" for "Ted" on my Summer Movie League. I just wish I hadn't left "Ted" at #9 overall, but how the hell could anyone have guessed that the talking teddy bear movie was going to make $200 million?


Dude, Seth MacFarlane came up with it. Everything he touches seems to turn into wads of cash, whether or not it's warranted.

/for the record, I liked Ted. It was like an extended episode of Family Guy.
//and that's all it needed to be.
 
2012-07-29 01:02:46 PM  
TDKR is the first movie I've watched more than once in the theater since I was a kid. The thing I find funny is that the people who don't like this movie usually say that Batman Begins is the best in the series. Where I am the opposite, I think it is the weakest. But they are all pretty close in terms of quality. Just BB has a sound stage look to it that I don't like.
 
2012-07-29 01:08:16 PM  

Shadowknight: I suppose. It's just that it lost me right from the beginning. I just figured that with Rachel dying, every incarnation of the Bat I've known and loved would have just gone even more hardcore. He would have lost himself in the cape, not just went all hermit in his house.


He was talking about ending the Batman thing in the second one after Rachel died and had to be convinced not to.

I think it would be pretty jarring if he came out as "the Goddamn Batman" in this movie, because he never really was that in the first two movies plus he is 8 years older. That's why criticism like yours and Harry Knowles' doesn't really make sense to me if you enjoyed the character in the first two movies. Hanging up the cape for 8 years and being a depressed shut in makes sense for what had already been established.

While it was far from a perfect movie, I thought it was a great way to end the trilogy.
 
2012-07-29 01:09:02 PM  

Shadowknight: I still liked it. But it was kind of disappointing in some way I haven't quite placed yet.


Spoony Experiment did a good review (contains spoilers) of the film. It's an hour long but it might help you address the problems you are looking for.

Omis: TDKR is the first movie I've watched more than once in the theater since I was a kid.


I considered seeing it again in theaters and that's usually crazy talk for me.
 
2012-07-29 01:11:11 PM  

darkedgefan: The watch was very funny. I hope more people see it. They should also try to check out Killer Joe and Ruby Sparks. Two other good movies that opened this weekend. Ahhh, 3 movies, $7. Thank god for NYC theaters!


I wanted to see Killer Joe, but Boston gets treated like some backwater hicksville when it comes to small or independent films. Everything I heard about it is awesome, but I guess it will be a few more weeks before it comes here. The Watch looks silly and since there was nothing else I wanted to see in the theaters I just stayed home and watched some Netflix.
 
2012-07-29 01:11:20 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: FYI to anyone who hasn't see the film: TDKR is a BRUCE WAYNE film, not a Batman film. Knowing this, you won't be disappoint.


They already made that movie, its called American Psycho.
 
2012-07-29 01:13:48 PM  

Shadowknight: I just figured that with Rachel dying, every incarnation of the Bat I've known and loved would have just gone even more hardcore. He would have lost himself in the cape, not just went all hermit in his house.


I think that would have been a more interesting version. Seeing him lose touch with humanity and becoming a crueler darker vigilante until Bane breaks him, and he's forced to reconnect emotionally to his origins in the prison sequence.
 
2012-07-29 01:39:42 PM  

farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?


Actually, if you'd seen the movie, you'd see that it's about a man who DOESN'T fight crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume. That is to say, he doesn't wear the costume and he also doesn't fight crime.
 
2012-07-29 01:42:28 PM  

BokChoy: Britney Spear's Speculum: FYI to anyone who hasn't see the film: TDKR is a BRUCE WAYNE film, not a Batman film. Knowing this, you won't be disappoint.

They already made that movie, its called American Psycho.


They made a movie out of that book?
 
2012-07-29 01:45:08 PM  
Jim Emerson on why a lot of filmmakers think TDKR was mediocre

The gist of it I can take is Nolan edits out anything that's atmospheric because he is a fan of exposition. As a result you are told a story rather than FEEL a story. We never get a sense of what 8 years of isolation does to Wayne, we're told it in passing. No Citizen Kane like shots of wandering in a mansion/prison of his own making, we never get to really see what 3 months under anarchy was like for Gotham's citizens... Etc.

Nolan's movies feel like a lot of interesting ideas but no time to play with them.
 
2012-07-29 01:53:54 PM  

farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bad-ass bat costume made by mr. titty sprinkles himself.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-07-29 02:26:18 PM  

farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?


This is just lazy. Try harder.
 
2012-07-29 02:37:10 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Shadowknight: I still liked it. But it was kind of disappointing in some way I haven't quite placed yet.

Spoony Experiment did a good review (contains spoilers) of the film. It's an hour long but it might help you address the problems you are looking for.

Omis: TDKR is the first movie I've watched more than once in the theater since I was a kid.

I considered seeing it again in theaters and that's usually crazy talk for me.


I would. In IMAX if you didn't before. I was warned before hand that the tone of the movie was a lot different than the others. Walking out, I could see what they meant. Went again in IMAX with the understanding that the movie's theme was pain and it was more about Bruce and the aftermath of being Batman did to him and those he cared for and I liked it a whole lot more. I had some minor gripes (the fan service ending being one of them) but I was more than satisfied with the rest. Loved Bane.
 
2012-07-29 02:38:20 PM  
Ridiculously full of Spoilers:

So I had a lot of issues with TDKR, but the biggest one is that after Bane "broke him" and took him to the prison he healed rather quickly. They said that Bruce had his back broken, and at one point even said "you have a vertebrae sticking out of your skin". So the guy with the rope is apparently the greatest physical therapist ever, Bruce went from broken back, to climbing and jumping out of prison and going back to fight Bane again in less than 5 months. I get that this is a comic book movie and things like this happen in comics but it doesn't fit Nolan's M.O.. Nolan has been trying to make his trilogy "realistic" but totally blew it here.

Or, the second half of the movie never happened. Bruce is broken and in prison, the guy in the cell next to him is a morphine addict. They were told to keep Bruce alive, not fix him. So the second half of the movie is Bruce's morphine induced idealized dream of what he would like to happen. Bruce never made it out of the prison, and he did die. It's the only way the second half of the movie makes sense in the Nolanverse. If you doubt Nolan would do this then you obviously didn't see Inception.
 
2012-07-29 02:43:50 PM  

alwaysjaded: Went again in IMAX with the understanding that the movie's theme was pain and it was more about Bruce and the aftermath of being Batman did to him and those he cared for and I liked it a whole lot more.


That's not Batman. Spiderman, maybe. But Batman is a symbol. He doesn't give up. He doesn't complain. He never stops. That's what makes Batman so awesome. The concept of Batman locking himself up in his mansion for the better part of a DECADE because his girly friend died is insulting. That's NOT Batman.

Batman would brood. He'd get darker. He would NOT abscond to France to live out his life as a spoiled rich family man.
 
2012-07-29 02:46:27 PM  

Almet: Also, it couuld have done without catwoman entirely....the whole "reluctant hero who shows up at the last minute" thing loses its punch when you can see it coming from a mile away.


What bugged me was that, and admittedly, I have a hard time articulating this, but many places that character showed up, it was like the writers wrote a Catwoman-shaped hole that was entirely unnecessary (the prison scene, for instance; she got locked up in a men's facility, because she broke out of a women's facility when she was 16 - as if one thing has anything to do with the other - and really, it was there to showcase her doing the cartwheel thing because she was only broken out by Bane later anyway, which made her incarceration totally pointless; and the end there, did clearing the tunnel really do anything more than to set up that moment - and how did she know how to drive that thing anyway?).
 
2012-07-29 02:47:56 PM  
SPOILERS

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The Dark Knight Rises was a mess from just after Bane breaks Batman to just before Batman returns to Gotham.
 
2012-07-29 02:48:04 PM  

darkedgefan: The watch was very funny. I hope more people see it. They should also try to check out Killer Joe and Ruby Sparks. Two other good movies that opened this weekend. Ahhh, 3 movies, $7. Thank god for NYC theaters!


I wish I had seen Killer Joe instead of "The Watch" as I've heard great things about Friedkin's latest(damn,it's been ages since that I've heard that name). NC-17 flicks are notoriously difficult to find in my neck of the woods these days.
 
2012-07-29 02:48:47 PM  
Why does everything have to be a trilogy? I mean, I liked TDKR, but it seems like they really tortured a third movie out of this franchise. The ending of TDK would have been a perfect ending for this series with Batman on the run. Leave it at two or, heck, why not go James Bond style and just keep going?
 
2012-07-29 02:50:10 PM  

velvet_fog: Why does everything have to be a trilogy? I mean, I liked TDKR, but it seems like they really tortured a third movie out of this franchise. The ending of TDK would have been a perfect ending for this series with Batman on the run. Leave it at two or, heck, why not go James Bond style and just keep going?


Could be worse. Nolan could have been persuaded to break it into two parts so the studio could make more money...

Actually, now that I think about it, maybe it wouldn't have been that bad an idea.
 
2012-07-29 02:51:18 PM  

ODDwhun: Ridiculously full of Spoilers:

It's the only way the second half of the movie makes sense in the Nolanverse. If you doubt Nolan would do this then you obviously didn't see Inception.


Was there anything in the movie to indicate that the second half was the result of morphine-fueled dreaming. Inception gives you something in its framework to indicate a "less-than-happy" ending.
 
2012-07-29 02:52:16 PM  
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2012-07-29 02:57:08 PM  
I finally saw TDK this weekend.

What a disappointment. Very mediocre movie (worst of the 3 batman films). If it wasn't for Bane - it could have been much better.
 
2012-07-29 02:57:12 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x366]


They completely farked up Bane's voice from what it was when the prologue was first shown last year. I would have rather they used subtitles than to fark with it the way they did. Maybe it was just because I'd seen the prologue, but every time Bane spoke, it sounded like a bad post-production dub.
 
2012-07-29 02:57:34 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: FYI to anyone who hasn't see the film: TDKR is a BRUCE WAYNE film, not a Batman film. Knowing this, you won't be disappoint.


You remember that scene at the costume ball with Selina Kyle?

There is no Bruce Wayne. Just the Batman.
 
2012-07-29 02:59:34 PM  
I liked it. Thought the Avengers was better, but I enjoyed it the whole time. Only complaint was Bane's rushed death scene. Took me a while to realize he was even dead.
 
2012-07-29 02:59:53 PM  

Mawson of the Antarctic: Jim Emerson on why a lot of filmmakers think TDKR was mediocre


Wait, you mean these guys?

Josh is from Chicago and used to be a regular film & music critic but is now focusing on a degree in medieval history (!) but still blogs on cinema and remains one of my favourite cine-thinkers. Mike is an aspiring filmmaker who has written on film for years, and works for the Vancouver International Film Festival. Myself, I'm a MUBI editor, run The Noteworthy here and write articles when I find the time.

A couple of guys who write blogs and a guy who wants to make movies but has never actually made one? Sounds like a couple of wannabe (AKA, "aspiring") directors getting together to consilidate their butt-hurt about being failures.
 
2012-07-29 03:00:29 PM  
Speaking of movies, the trailer for 'Cloud Atlas' is pretty goddamn outstanding. Hopefully the movie can live up to the trailer.

Link
 
2012-07-29 03:02:25 PM  

farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?


I know. I haven't like that movie since I saw the trailer on the TV I don't own.
Also, why do people insist on listening to bands that sold more than a hundred albums. Bunch of farking sellouts.

(Flips hair), God, the internet was so much cooler when it was on vinyl.
 
2012-07-29 03:03:18 PM  

Honest Bender: alwaysjaded: Went again in IMAX with the understanding that the movie's theme was pain and it was more about Bruce and the aftermath of being Batman did to him and those he cared for and I liked it a whole lot more.

That's not Batman. Spiderman, maybe. But Batman is a symbol. He doesn't give up. He doesn't complain. He never stops. That's what makes Batman so awesome. The concept of Batman locking himself up in his mansion for the better part of a DECADE because his girly friend died is insulting. That's NOT Batman.

Batman would brood. He'd get darker. He would NOT abscond to France to live out his life as a spoiled rich family man.


Well, I've always thought of Nolan's trilogy as like a stand alone story from a graphic novel. He's an author that took an established character and put his own spin on it that's not really part of canon. So it works within its own rules. Just my opinion.
 
2012-07-29 03:05:17 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: FYI to anyone who hasn't see the film: TDKR is a BRUCE WAYNE film, not a Batman film. Knowing this, you won't be disappoint.


I didn't know that going in, and I still loved it.
 
2012-07-29 03:24:03 PM  
In hollywood math it made -$0.04
 
2012-07-29 03:43:07 PM  
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My only complaint. Great flick, but I wasn't expecting the Godfather or anything.
 
2012-07-29 03:50:11 PM  
Thank God Nolan is done with Batman. Maybe they can find someone competent to fix the franchise now that he's moved on to ruining Superman.
 
2012-07-29 03:54:49 PM  

alwaysjaded: Honest Bender: alwaysjaded: Went again in IMAX with the understanding that the movie's theme was pain and it was more about Bruce and the aftermath of being Batman did to him and those he cared for and I liked it a whole lot more.

That's not Batman. Spiderman, maybe. But Batman is a symbol. He doesn't give up. He doesn't complain. He never stops. That's what makes Batman so awesome. The concept of Batman locking himself up in his mansion for the better part of a DECADE because his girly friend died is insulting. That's NOT Batman.

Batman would brood. He'd get darker. He would NOT abscond to France to live out his life as a spoiled rich family man.

Well, I've always thought of Nolan's trilogy as like a stand alone story from a graphic novel. He's an author that took an established character and put his own spin on it that's not really part of canon. So it works within its own rules. Just my opinion.


I'd agree with that, would explain why Nolan's Batman isn't as brilliant as the comics/cartoon version.
 
2012-07-29 03:58:45 PM  

MagSeven: [d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net image 460x317]
My only complaint.


That's what killed me on Inception.

"DAMN IT, VAN, HURRY UP AND FALL INTO THE WATER!"
 
2012-07-29 04:16:13 PM  

Shadowknight: Vangor: Shadowknight: I still liked it. But it was kind of disappointing in some way I haven't quite placed yet.

The vast majority of any complaints I have with the film are all based on expectations I had. I think this is rather common. Could name specifics, but I would hate to spoil things. The real complaints with the film simply are not significant enough for me to be disappointed in any stretch; no film is perfect.

I suppose. It's just that it lost me right from the beginning. I just figured that with Rachel dying, every incarnation of the Bat I've known and loved would have just gone even more hardcore. He would have lost himself in the cape, not just went all hermit in his house.

It just got worse from there for me. From Alfred's reaction to Lucius' change of heart to character betrayal I saw from about the first ten minutes after they were introduced... like I said, I can't really tag any major specifics. Just felt like a different Batman than I was expecting, I guess.

/also, Bale still growled like a starving dog


If he made that movie it would look like that episode of Darkwing Duck where goslin gets sent to the future where she finds DW has gone insane with his persona and controls crime with an iron fist because he never got over losing his daughter. Good episode for a cartoon.
 
2012-07-29 04:33:25 PM  
I enjoyed TDKR for the spectacle. but I really think the story got away from them. What made the TDK work was that even though it was a superhero film, it felt like it could be real. Joker was a psycopath, and even though his schemes were convoluted, they weren't outside the realm of possibility. That made the threat seem very real.

OTOH, the "Bane takes over the city" story never seemed real. First off, all you see are a few bridges and buildings blowing up, some minor scenes of mayhem, and a few hangings. I just never bought into the city under siege. Like the Star Wars prequels, the city didn't really look like a city at war. Chris Nolan should have viewed some scenes from Iraq to see what a real siege looks like. It's destruction and lots of bloody violence. Personally, I think they might have been able to pull it off with a R rating, but of course, that would have killed the box office.

My biggest problem with the movie was that in the effort to tell a BIG STORY,, they ended up making it seem smaller than the previous movie which had a smaller story. Couple that with the enormous plot holes (how exactly did Bruce Wayne re-enter the city?) and it's just kinda dissapointing. Not bad, just dissapointing.
 
2012-07-29 04:49:18 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Couple that with the enormous plot holes (how exactly did Bruce Wayne re-enter the city?)


How is that a plot hole? He's the goddamn Batman, I'm sure he can find a way to sneak into Gotham. It's not like they had armed guards every 20 feet around the entire perimeter.
 
2012-07-29 05:05:00 PM  

consider this: Close2TheEdge: Couple that with the enormous plot holes (how exactly did Bruce Wayne re-enter the city?)

How is that a plot hole? He's the goddamn Batman, I'm sure he can find a way to sneak into Gotham. It's not like they had armed guards every 20 feet around the entire perimeter.


Exactly my point. They suggested that by blowing the bridges, nobody could get out. Yet, Bruce Wayne gets IN? Without any of his awesome stealth gear? And nobody recognizes him? I thought that was just asking the audience to purposely not use it's brain. Maybe there was a scene cut, I don't know.

The Bane army never seemed large enough or terrifying enough to maintain control of an entire city, even with the supposed bomb threat. There would be escapes, and once word got out that escapes were possible, there would be a breakdown of control. Besides, what exactly did the thugs get out of this scheme? Bane basically said, I'm going to eventually kill you all. You mean to tell me the Bane army were all OK with a sucicide pact? Please. He wasn't farking Jim Jones, for chrissakes.
 
2012-07-29 05:06:32 PM  

Omis: TDKR is the first movie I've watched more than once in the theater since I was a kid. The thing I find funny is that the people who don't like this movie usually say that Batman Begins is the best in the series. Where I am the opposite, I think it is the weakest. But they are all pretty close in terms of quality. Just BB has a sound stage look to it that I don't like.


The "Narrows", in Batman Begins, was very obviously digitally inserted for establishing shots, and appeared artificial. The same was true of the rail track. Establishing shots for the two sequels were less altered, and thus appeared more natural.

I suspect that the sequels made more use of location shots than did the original.
 
2012-07-29 05:13:57 PM  

Mulchpuppy: likes838: I seriously thought the trailer for Step Up Whatever was a joke when I was forced to sit through it at the movies. It seemed so drenched in satire it seemed unpossible that it was real.

It truly does seem like someone's incredibly well done elaborate joke. But when you get right down to, it, weren't the 80s full of "we're going to fight against ____________ using the magical power of dance."

It's pretty much a shot for shot remake of "Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo."


Pretty much this. This plot isn't unique to 80's movies about motivated teenagers fighting off the advances of an evil corporation against the youth center/summer camp/historic site or somesuch. (If you remember the old cartoon Camp Candy, that was every other episode.) Basically, it was a thin plot that let the producers show lots of dancing, skiing, BMX racing, or whatever.

Watch the Aspen episode of South Park to see pretty much every one of those movies all at once.

Same story, different decade, only now everything is choreographed with 3D in mind.
 
2012-07-29 05:36:41 PM  
I saw the movie for the first time last night. I loved it. When it finished I looked to my friend and said "You know, that did not feel like three hours." To me, Bruce spending 8 years in self imposed exile makes sense. All he really had was Batman, and with Batman taking the fall for Harvey Dent's death and the Dent act locking up the baddest of the bad in Gotham, Bruce can't become Batman without risking arrest for a murder he did not commit and with crime down to the levels mentioned in the movie, Gotham doesn't really need Batman anymore. So, what does Bruce Wayne do??? Basically, nothing.

At the end of the movie, my friend and I were watching the ending credits. A woman shouted "You two don't need to sit there, nothing follows the credits." I shouted "Spoilers!!!"
 
2012-07-29 05:58:16 PM  
 
2012-07-29 06:05:17 PM  

Almet:
There were fewer "Anne Hathaway's ass in tight leather" shots than I expected.


No twenty million bucks for her next time!


It's hard to make the 3rd movie in a series any good. How many times has it worked? Was Goldfinger the third one? I thought it was okay, but I could have used more Miranda, and less Selina.
 
2012-07-29 06:10:32 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Spoony Experiment did a good review (contains spoilers) of the film. It's an hour long but it might help you address the problems you are looking for.


Who the fark watches an hour long review of a film, if you are going to invest that much time maybe you should just see the damn movie.
 
2012-07-29 06:15:39 PM  

lilplatinum: Who the fark watches an hour long review of a film, if you are going to invest that much time maybe you should just see the damn movie.


Maybe, but the people at the cinema get irritable when I try to make pizza rolls in the auditorium.
 
2012-07-29 06:17:53 PM  

Close2TheEdge: The Bane army never seemed large enough or terrifying enough to maintain control of an entire city, even with the supposed bomb threat. There would be escapes, and once word got out that escapes were possible, there would be a breakdown of control. Besides, what exactly did the thugs get out of this scheme? Bane basically said, I'm going to eventually kill you all. You mean to tell me the Bane army were all OK with a sucicide pact? Please. He wasn't farking Jim Jones, for chrissakes.


Bane tells people that if they attempt to flee or if there is any outside interference, the bomb will be detonated but the only people that know they intend on detonating anyways are Bane and Miranda. All everybody else knew was that some crazy dude wanted them to take their city back and that he had a bomb to keep them in check.

I do agree though that the takeover of the city was poorly done. It felts like days had passed instead of months and there wasn't enough shown to make me believe that the city had come apart at the seams.
 
2012-07-29 06:18:54 PM  

cetacei: Thank God Nolan is done with Batman. Maybe they can find someone competent to fix the franchise now that he's moved on to ruining Superman.


Now we know what Joel Schumacher's Fark handle is.
 
2012-07-29 06:19:40 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: ODDwhun: Ridiculously full of Spoilers:

It's the only way the second half of the movie makes sense in the Nolanverse. If you doubt Nolan would do this then you obviously didn't see Inception.

Was there anything in the movie to indicate that the second half was the result of morphine-fueled dreaming. Inception gives you something in its framework to indicate a "less-than-happy" ending.


Not explicitly, but between healing time, the morphine addict in the next cell, and everything ending in the happiest way possible for everyone that's the way I interpret it. Of course I could be nuts, it's what my wife said when I told her.
 
2012-07-29 07:09:13 PM  

Honest Bender: alwaysjaded: Went again in IMAX with the understanding that the movie's theme was pain and it was more about Bruce and the aftermath of being Batman did to him and those he cared for and I liked it a whole lot more.

That's not Batman. Spiderman, maybe. But Batman is a symbol. He doesn't give up. He doesn't complain. He never stops. That's what makes Batman so awesome. The concept of Batman locking himself up in his mansion for the better part of a DECADE because his girly friend died is insulting. That's NOT Batman.

Batman would brood. He'd get darker. He would NOT abscond to France to live out his life as a spoiled rich family man.


Bruce Wayne killed Batman.

Spoilers: Bruce Wayne is alive at the end of the movie and everyone thinks "Batman" died. Except for those two guys who got secret messages. And the rest of the world after Robin starts playing with the Batgear.

I'm not counting Alfred, because HE knows the difference between Bruce Wayne and Batman.
 
2012-07-29 07:14:12 PM  

consider this: Close2TheEdge: Couple that with the enormous plot holes (how exactly did Bruce Wayne re-enter the city?)

How is that a plot hole? He's the goddamn Batman, I'm sure he can find a way to sneak into Gotham. It's not like they had armed guards every 20 feet around the entire perimeter.


I was going to point out that Batman is like Dr. McNinja that way...


...but then I realized who Dr. McNinja idolizes and tries to emulate.

Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuude.
 
2012-07-29 07:27:06 PM  
I'm boycotting The Watch on principal. It's just offensive they'd make a Trayvon movie before the trial even starts. Too soon.
 
2012-07-29 07:27:26 PM  

Close2TheEdge: consider this: Close2TheEdge: Couple that with the enormous plot holes (how exactly did Bruce Wayne re-enter the city?)

How is that a plot hole? He's the goddamn Batman, I'm sure he can find a way to sneak into Gotham. It's not like they had armed guards every 20 feet around the entire perimeter.

Exactly my point. They suggested that by blowing the bridges, nobody could get out. Yet, Bruce Wayne gets IN? Without any of his awesome stealth gear? And nobody recognizes him? I thought that was just asking the audience to purposely not use it's brain. Maybe there was a scene cut, I don't know.


Supply trucks were still coming into the city. That's why the one bridge was left in tact. Since Bruce trained with farking ninjas, I don't think stowing away on a truck would have been too difficult for him.
 
2012-07-29 07:40:49 PM  

darkedgefan: The watch was very funny. I hope more people see it. They should also try to check out Killer Joe and Ruby Sparks. Two other good movies that opened this weekend. Ahhh, 3 movies, $7. Thank god for NYC theaters!


Just saw 'Ruby Sparks' this afternoon and thought it was a nice little flick as well. I was expecting quirky, indie, and yeah it was that, but there was that kinda intense darker turn it took near the end that was a pleasant surprise.
 
2012-07-29 08:08:32 PM  
Why was Killer Joe rated NC-17? Anything disturbing in particular or just prudish rating system?
 
2012-07-29 08:10:06 PM  

stoli n coke: Close2TheEdge: consider this: Close2TheEdge: Couple that with the enormous plot holes (how exactly did Bruce Wayne re-enter the city?)

How is that a plot hole? He's the goddamn Batman, I'm sure he can find a way to sneak into Gotham. It's not like they had armed guards every 20 feet around the entire perimeter.

Exactly my point. They suggested that by blowing the bridges, nobody could get out. Yet, Bruce Wayne gets IN? Without any of his awesome stealth gear? And nobody recognizes him? I thought that was just asking the audience to purposely not use it's brain. Maybe there was a scene cut, I don't know.

Supply trucks were still coming into the city. That's why the one bridge was left in tact. Since Bruce trained with farking ninjas, I don't think stowing away on a truck would have been too difficult for him.


30 seconds of Bruce Wayne doing something badass to sneak in would have been enough. And showed that he was more than just the suit and high-tech weaponry. Anyway, I just thought the story was too big to pull off convincingly. There was a great line in TDK where Joker says to Harvey, "Look what I did to this city with just a few drums of gasoline and some bullets." In other words, if you want to tell the Apocalypse, then show the Apocalypse. Otherwise, it's all just talk and no big payoff. That's what it felt like at the end of TDKR.
 
2012-07-29 08:11:39 PM  

Honest Bender: I loved... LOVED the first 2 batman movies. Nolan is an artist. Dark Knight Rises was.... not good. It saddens me to say that, but it was not good. The first half of the movie is boring. It's the Bruce Wayne pitty party. Catwoman was shoehorned in there so that they could shake a pretty booty around the screen and give Batman a hot chick to kiss at the dramatic point.
Then there's the fake out ending. Is he dead? SURPRISE! He's not! Didn't see that one coming... What was the point of that?
Blake decides to become Robin... Ok, that's neat. Too bad we'll never see that movie. And his name is Robin Blake? Seriously? And he's supposed to be Robin? There have been 5 robins and none of them were named Robin Blake. WTF?
Damn near any fight Batman gets into makes him look like a little biatch. He's the god damned BATMAN! WTF? And the big fight at the end... A farking street brawl? Batman in a daylight street brawl? He's the dark knight. He uses fear and stealth. He doesn't throw down on Main Street at noon!
And then there's "Bane." Let's completely ignore the richly developed and established plethora of Batman villains and let's invent a TOTALLY new bad guy. Then let's just slap an established character's name on him! BRILLIANT! Why not just call him the penguin? Or Riddlerface. WTF.
Then there's the totally unnecessary shoehorning in of Talia al ghul and the brotherhood of assassins. Totally unnecessary. I felt like I was watching Spiderman 3 all over again. How many bad guys can we cram into one movie!?

FFS. I was disappointed. :-(

/Oh ya. Spoilers.


you know Bane wasn't invented right? Please tell me everything you wrote was a big troll because you sound like someone who has no clue what is going on. You are one of those people who goes on yelp and complains about the most superficial thing possible and then gives the place 1 star right?
 
2012-07-29 08:24:22 PM  

Close2TheEdge: 30 seconds of Bruce Wayne doing something badass to sneak in would have been enough. And showed that he was more than just the suit and high-tech weaponry.


A whole segment in the first movie where he trained as a ninja in the art of stealth and deception. Why do people need to have every little thing spelled out and spoon-fed to them?
 
2012-07-29 08:33:35 PM  

WienerButt: Why was Killer Joe rated NC-17? Anything disturbing in particular or just prudish rating system?


It is a pretty farked up movie. I could see why it got an NC-17. Best use of chicken ever.
 
2012-07-29 08:47:48 PM  
I've loved all of Nolan's films. This is the first one that disappointed me.

Clunky, bloated, poorly paced. As someone said earlier, Dark Knight ends in a proper place to leave Batman.

And seeing Matthew Modine just made me miss Aaron Eckhart. Given how Two-Face shows up so late in the last one, it feels like he shouldn't have died and should have been the primary antagonist of the third film.

And much to my surprise, what I thought would be the worst element ended up the best: Anne Hathaway as Catwoman. Her scenes are fun, and she's surprisingly good.

Wish they played more with the class warfare angle. They tease the idea - shootout at the stock exchange, Wayne's assets getting frozen, Bane's insincere populism - I wish they followed through and focused on that angle.
 
2012-07-29 08:48:04 PM  

Kaybeck: A whole segment in the first movie where he trained as a ninja in the art of stealth and deception. Why do people need to have every little thing spelled out and spoon-fed to them?


Yeah, I just don't get why people ask this question. Answer has four words:

League of farking Shadows.

Is it really THAT difficult to comprehend?
 
2012-07-29 08:48:45 PM  

WienerButt: Why was Killer Joe rated NC-17? Anything disturbing in particular or just prudish rating system?


Haven't seen it yet, but it is from the same guy that directed "The Exorcist," so there's likely some pretty farked up stuff in it.

I am impressed that the distributor didn't demand edits.
 
2012-07-29 08:50:03 PM  

Kaybeck: Close2TheEdge: 30 seconds of Bruce Wayne doing something badass to sneak in would have been enough. And showed that he was more than just the suit and high-tech weaponry.

A whole segment in the first movie where he trained as a ninja in the art of stealth and deception. Why do people need to have every little thing spelled out and spoon-fed to them?


We know Wayne is capable of it, but his reappearance in Gotham is, you gotta admit, quite abrupt, especially since Gotham is supposed to be on total lockdown.
 
2012-07-29 08:56:59 PM  

Kaybeck: Close2TheEdge: 30 seconds of Bruce Wayne doing something badass to sneak in would have been enough. And showed that he was more than just the suit and high-tech weaponry.

A whole segment in the first movie where he trained as a ninja in the art of stealth and deception. Why do people need to have every little thing spelled out and spoon-fed to them?


Skills, which he never employed except when in the bat-suit, but why let facts get in the way of a good snarky insult. Actually, I don't need things spoon fed, but I also don't simply accept things that don't make sense because the scriptwriter simply leaves it out. I hope that there actually is a cut scene and not plain hackneyed writing.
 
2012-07-29 09:02:06 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Kaybeck: Close2TheEdge: 30 seconds of Bruce Wayne doing something badass to sneak in would have been enough. And showed that he was more than just the suit and high-tech weaponry.

A whole segment in the first movie where he trained as a ninja in the art of stealth and deception. Why do people need to have every little thing spelled out and spoon-fed to them?

We know Wayne is capable of it, but his reappearance in Gotham is, you gotta admit, quite abrupt, especially since Gotham is supposed to be on total lockdown.


While I can accept that the goddamn Batman can re-enter a locked-down Gotham, I would have preferred the movie to feature some scene that hinted at his means for doing so.
 
2012-07-29 09:15:17 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Kaybeck: Close2TheEdge: 30 seconds of Bruce Wayne doing something badass to sneak in would have been enough. And showed that he was more than just the suit and high-tech weaponry.

A whole segment in the first movie where he trained as a ninja in the art of stealth and deception. Why do people need to have every little thing spelled out and spoon-fed to them?

Skills, which he never employed except when in the bat-suit, but why let facts get in the way of a good snarky insult. Actually, I don't need things spoon fed, but I also don't simply accept things that don't make sense because the scriptwriter simply leaves it out. I hope that there actually is a cut scene and not plain hackneyed writing.


But skills he was taught before the suit was even built.
Seriously, you want this to be an issue, but it really comes off as nit-picking.
 
2012-07-29 09:17:28 PM  
I loved TDKR, and I really didn't care for Prometheus, even though many of the criticisms I levied against Prometheus could be equally applied to TDKR.

Plot holes, silly character decisions, jumps in the storyline, etc... But for some reason I give Batman a pass. Maybe because I've never been a huge Batman fan, and I consider Alien/s to be epics.
 
2012-07-29 09:28:03 PM  

Almet: Honest Bender: I loved... LOVED the first 2 batman movies. Nolan is an artist. Dark Knight Rises was.... not good. It saddens me to say that, but it was not good. The first half of the movie is boring. It's the Bruce Wayne pitty party. Catwoman was shoehorned in there so that they could shake a pretty booty around the screen and give Batman a hot chick to kiss at the dramatic point.
Then there's the fake out ending. Is he dead? SURPRISE! He's not! Didn't see that one coming... What was the point of that?
Blake decides to become Robin... Ok, that's neat. Too bad we'll never see that movie. And his name is Robin Blake? Seriously? And he's supposed to be Robin? There have been 5 robins and none of them were named Robin Blake. WTF?
Damn near any fight Batman gets into makes him look like a little biatch. He's the god damned BATMAN! WTF? And the big fight at the end... A farking street brawl? Batman in a daylight street brawl? He's the dark knight. He uses fear and stealth. He doesn't throw down on Main Street at noon!
And then there's "Bane." Let's completely ignore the richly developed and established plethora of Batman villains and let's invent a TOTALLY new bad guy. Then let's just slap an established character's name on him! BRILLIANT! Why not just call him the penguin? Or Riddlerface. WTF.
Then there's the totally unnecessary shoehorning in of Talia al ghul and the brotherhood of assassins. Totally unnecessary. I felt like I was watching Spiderman 3 all over again. How many bad guys can we cram into one movie!?

FFS. I was disappointed. :-(

/Oh ya. Spoilers.

There were fewer "Anne Hathaway's ass in tight leather" shots than I expected.

Also, it couuld have done without catwoman entirely....the whole "reluctant hero who shows up at the last minute" thing loses its punch when you can see it coming from a mile away.


When she told him she was clearing the path and getting the hell out of the city, I turned to my girlfriend and whispered, "She'll show up at the end to pull his ass out of a jam". When she did show up, the mouth breather behind me exclaimed, "Oh wow! she came back!". I wonder if he was watching the same movie I was.
 
2012-07-29 09:36:18 PM  
People saw the events from Colorado, heard that the movie was "to die for.".
 
2012-07-29 09:39:51 PM  

Snatch Bandergrip: Kaybeck: Close2TheEdge: 30 seconds of Bruce Wayne doing something badass to sneak in would have been enough. And showed that he was more than just the suit and high-tech weaponry.

A whole segment in the first movie where he trained as a ninja in the art of stealth and deception. Why do people need to have every little thing spelled out and spoon-fed to them?

We know Wayne is capable of it, but his reappearance in Gotham is, you gotta admit, quite abrupt, especially since Gotham is supposed to be on total lockdown.


I assumed he got back in on the "exile" ice river. That's why he was familiar with it enough to help Gordon later.
 
2012-07-29 09:42:24 PM  

Close2TheEdge: Skills, which he never employed except when in the bat-suit, but why let facts get in the way of a good snarky insult. Actually, I don't need things spoon fed, but I also don't simply accept things that don't make sense because the scriptwriter simply leaves it out. I hope that there actually is a cut scene and not plain hackneyed writing.


Yes because Bruce has NO IDEA how to employ ANY of the training he received unless he's wearing a suit he acquired AFTER he had completed his training.

It makes perfect sense. The screenwriter already established he has special training. To have to explain it again for those that needs everything explained and restated, does nothing to serve the story.

What next?

"Oh Batman's using poison tipped darts! We never saw him make the darts in the batcave or the sedative that knocks him out, what poor screenwriting!"

"What? How did they rebuild Wayne Manor with the piano that opens a secret passage to the Batcave without the builders getting wise? Man, they did a disservice to the story by not dedicating 30 minutes of the movie showing how Bruce and Alfred avoided that problem."
 
2012-07-29 09:43:07 PM  

jeanwearinfool: When she told him she was clearing the path and getting the hell out of the city, I turned to my girlfriend and whispered, "She'll show up at the end to pull his ass out of a jam". When she did show up, the mouth breather behind me exclaimed, "Oh wow! she came back!". I wonder if he was watching the same movie I was.


I wonder if he was making fun of you.
 
2012-07-29 09:49:59 PM  

MagSeven: jeanwearinfool: When she told him she was clearing the path and getting the hell out of the city, I turned to my girlfriend and whispered, "She'll show up at the end to pull his ass out of a jam". When she did show up, the mouth breather behind me exclaimed, "Oh wow! she came back!". I wonder if he was watching the same movie I was.

I wonder if he was making fun of you.


No way he heard me.. and coupled with his constant exclamations of "wow" the entire movie, I doubt it.
 
2012-07-29 10:08:08 PM  

jeanwearinfool: MagSeven: jeanwearinfool: When she told him she was clearing the path and getting the hell out of the city, I turned to my girlfriend and whispered, "She'll show up at the end to pull his ass out of a jam". When she did show up, the mouth breather behind me exclaimed, "Oh wow! she came back!". I wonder if he was watching the same movie I was.

I wonder if he was making fun of you.

No way he heard me.. and coupled with his constant exclamations of "wow" the entire movie, I doubt it.


Maybe not making fun of you, but making fun of the obvious return?
 
2012-07-29 10:09:20 PM  
Only two comments...
A) despite its flaws, it was substantially (and mercifully) better than Prometheus...the other summer movie I had high hopes for
B) Why does the island (Manhattan/Gotham/whatever) have so many prisons and asylums for hard criminals? Shouldn't they really get those moved out to the countryside somewhere?
 
2012-07-29 10:10:44 PM  

jeanwearinfool: MagSeven: jeanwearinfool: When she told him she was clearing the path and getting the hell out of the city, I turned to my girlfriend and whispered, "She'll show up at the end to pull his ass out of a jam". When she did show up, the mouth breather behind me exclaimed, "Oh wow! she came back!". I wonder if he was watching the same movie I was.

I wonder if he was making fun of you.

No way he heard me.. and coupled with his constant exclamations of "wow" the entire movie, I doubt it.


Ah. He was a textbook mouth breather.
 
2012-07-29 10:13:20 PM  

Kaybeck: It makes perfect sense. The screenwriter already established he has special training. To have to explain it again for those that needs everything explained and restated, does nothing to serve the story.


Makes sense. Likewise we didn't really need to be shown or told anything about the League of Shadows, Ra's al Ghul, Harvet Dent, Rachel's death, etc... that had already been covered in others movies.
 
2012-07-29 10:18:19 PM  

That_Dude: jeanwearinfool: MagSeven: jeanwearinfool: When she told him she was clearing the path and getting the hell out of the city, I turned to my girlfriend and whispered, "She'll show up at the end to pull his ass out of a jam". When she did show up, the mouth breather behind me exclaimed, "Oh wow! she came back!". I wonder if he was watching the same movie I was.

I wonder if he was making fun of you.

No way he heard me.. and coupled with his constant exclamations of "wow" the entire movie, I doubt it.

Maybe not making fun of you, but making fun of the obvious return?


There was no hint of sarcasm in his voice, just genuine surprise.
 
2012-07-29 10:53:40 PM  

alwaysjaded: Honest Bender: alwaysjaded: Went again in IMAX with the understanding that the movie's theme was pain and it was more about Bruce and the aftermath of being Batman did to him and those he cared for and I liked it a whole lot more.

That's not Batman. Spiderman, maybe. But Batman is a symbol. He doesn't give up. He doesn't complain. He never stops. That's what makes Batman so awesome. The concept of Batman locking himself up in his mansion for the better part of a DECADE because his girly friend died is insulting. That's NOT Batman.

Batman would brood. He'd get darker. He would NOT abscond to France to live out his life as a spoiled rich family man.

Well, I've always thought of Nolan's trilogy as like a stand alone story from a graphic novel. He's an author that took an established character and put his own spin on it that's not really part of canon. So it works within its own rules. Just my opinion.


It's that I don't agree. I see that this was just a take on Batman, not THE take. But every other version since he got decampified has really been Batman as the person, and Bruce Wayne as the mask. Seeing it turned around was interesting, but it didn't sit well with my own interpretation.

Nothing I can fault Nolan for, ans the fact that it was as good as it was is still a testimonial to his abilities as a writer and director. It just didn't sit well with my own personal vision of the Bat, I guess.
 
2012-07-29 11:01:22 PM  
If you're gonna knit pick and have a problem with TDKR, then it has to be the flaming Batman logo. Seriously, do you have any idea how long it would take one person, who is racing against the clock because he knows the bomb is gonna explode in less than 12 hours (wait, how exactly did HE know that?), never mind. Anyway, it would take a pretty long time to rig up that light show. By the way, what a way to blow the element of surprise and let your adversary know you're back.

Anyway, all of that gets a pass, because he's the damn Batman and that scene was absolutely farking awesome. Saw it opening night and the audience went ballis . . . they were blow . . . they were very excited.

Also, if you didn't see TDKR in IMAX with a pulse pounding sound system, then you didn't see TDKR.
 
2012-07-29 11:08:45 PM  
(spoilers)

I didn't regret going to TDKR, but it was my least favourite of the Nolan films. I respect the gravitas he was going for, but he sort of became his own worst enemy after the second film, no?

Bane was well after my time collecting comics, so I went in without any backstory on him, other than what I gathered was brute strength and a past injury because of the mask. Thought he was ok as a villain; the bar had been set pretty high by Ledger and Neeson in the previous films so the character had that against him from the get-go. The voice was strange at first but then kind of grew on me, with the accent and refined vocabulary kind of serving as counterpoint to the physical thug. That said, one too many grandiloquent "it's the end of the world as we know it" speeches IMO, and I'll echo what many others have already said about the whole "city siege" concept: it did a good job swinging my suspension of disbelief gauge from "willing" to "grudgingly willing" and finally to a firm "unwilling". You're asking for criticism whenever you try to condense the experiences of a large collective population under extraordinary circumstances; there are too many variables. Although those wide shots of the exploding bridges were money. Awesome second unit photography is one of Nolan's bigger selling points.

Liked Catwoman, liked the latest air vehicle, liked the tribunal as a set piece even if the concept was silly. Liked the indirect torch passing to Robin, which I didn't see coming. Disliked the idea of Wayne sitting on his ass for years, disliked the prison escape segment, and especially disliked actually showing Wayne and Kyle across the restaurant; Alfred's knowing look and smile would have been more than enough and ten times more artistic.

But whatever. It's still a Batman movie. All the above criticism probably stems from the fact that we've all seen too many movies.
 
2012-07-29 11:21:44 PM  
Bane had some ridiculously cheesy lines, or at least delivered them cheesily. I could have done without the Miranda Tate character period, her last minute turn didn't really add anything and could be seen from almost the moment she was introduced (if you at least think something was up when she was helping Gordon try to identify the truck with the bomb, something is wrong with you).

I could have actually done with more Catwoman, who turned out to be the best part of the film. I have always thought Hathaway was talented, but was really anxious to see how the character would be implemented. In many ways she's the most 'comic-booky' part of this film, but also the best.
 
2012-07-29 11:45:47 PM  

Imperious Rex!: Bane had some ridiculously cheesy lines, or at least delivered them cheesily. I could have done without the Miranda Tate character period, her last minute turn didn't really add anything and could be seen from almost the moment she was introduced (if you at least think something was up when she was helping Gordon try to identify the truck with the bomb, something is wrong with you).

I could have actually done with more Catwoman, who turned out to be the best part of the film. I have always thought Hathaway was talented, but was really anxious to see how the character would be implemented. In many ways she's the most 'comic-booky' part of this film, but also the best.


Without the Tate character, Bane would have no motive in this story. I thought the character was in some ways more interesting than the other villains, in that his ultimate turn to evil was born from his efforts to protect someone who could not protect herself. It wasn't until he discovered his own nobility that he became a savage.

In many ways, Bane was the person Neeson wished he could have turned Bruce Wayne into.

Of course, I'm not much of a comic book reader, so I'm merely judging the story in the film.
 
2012-07-29 11:59:45 PM  

stoli n coke: Imperious Rex!: Bane had some ridiculously cheesy lines, or at least delivered them cheesily. I could have done without the Miranda Tate character period, her last minute turn didn't really add anything and could be seen from almost the moment she was introduced (if you at least think something was up when she was helping Gordon try to identify the truck with the bomb, something is wrong with you).

I could have actually done with more Catwoman, who turned out to be the best part of the film. I have always thought Hathaway was talented, but was really anxious to see how the character would be implemented. In many ways she's the most 'comic-booky' part of this film, but also the best.

Without the Tate character, Bane would have no motive in this story. I thought the character was in some ways more interesting than the other villains, in that his ultimate turn to evil was born from his efforts to protect someone who could not protect herself. It wasn't until he discovered his own nobility that he became a savage.

In many ways, Bane was the person Neeson wished he could have turned Bruce Wayne into.

Of course, I'm not much of a comic book reader, so I'm merely judging the story in the film.


As a villain would he necessarily need a motive other than being evil? He was ex-communicated by the League of Shadows, so going through with a plan to finish Ras' original goal could have been his way of proving he was worthy to rejoin the League or something.

I don't hate the Miranda character, I just think it was a badly done twist, and they either needed to have left that twist out or given her more fulfilling screen time to make the twist feel more meaningful. As of now it's just kind of falls flat and doesn't have any punch.
 
2012-07-30 12:02:44 AM  
Im nots saying WB CAUSED that tragic event to occur...

But it does bring to mind Jennifer Government.

If you see a guy running around named Hack WB, stop him for questioning.
 
2012-07-30 01:03:16 AM  
**SPOILER** **LOOK AWAY**



His name is ROBIN???

Can I have a free kick at Nolan's nads? Just one?
 
2012-07-30 01:06:44 AM  

Shadowknight: **Possible Spoilers**

I was actually kind of disappointed in it. I loved the first two, but I feel like Nolan actually went too far into the pretentiousness of his Batman. Having him moping around and whining about being Batman was just annoying and boring.

Having Bruce give up on Batman just seems so out of character with every other version of the character I've ever liked. The movie itself just seemed badly characterized and paced.

I still liked it. But it was kind of disappointing in some way I haven't quite placed yet.


It's very important to remember this is Nolans version of Batman-not the comic. It was covering A Batman who started and ended his career. And found a way where he could walk away to a better life while still leaving Gotham protected.

Batman has actually given up several times. The most important and most influential was The Dark Knight Returns by Frank Miller. Batman quit in that one...twice.
 
2012-07-30 01:13:41 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Only two comments...
A) despite its flaws, it was substantially (and mercifully) better than Prometheus...the other summer movie I had high hopes for
B) Why does the island (Manhattan/Gotham/whatever) have so many prisons and asylums for hard criminals? Shouldn't they really get those moved out to the countryside somewhere?


It's Gotham...plot point
 
2012-07-30 02:01:55 AM  

BokChoy: farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?

Apparently if you turn any goofy comic book into a gritty crime drama, people will fawn over it like its a farking masterpiece.


So tired of these comic book movies. I will be very happy to see this trend end.
 
2012-07-30 02:07:21 AM  
I felt the same way about this film as I felt about the final book in the Dark Tower series.

It ended the only way it really could have, and it worked for me.

I was satisfied.
 
2012-07-30 02:41:20 AM  

chewielouie: If you're gonna knit pick and have a problem with TDKR, then it has to be the flaming Batman logo. Seriously, do you have any idea how long it would take one person, who is racing against the clock because he knows the bomb is gonna explode in less than 12 hours (wait, how exactly did HE know that?), never mind. Anyway, it would take a pretty long time to rig up that light show. By the way, what a way to blow the element of surprise and let your adversary know you're back.

Anyway, all of that gets a pass, because he's the damn Batman and that scene was absolutely farking awesome. Saw it opening night and the audience went ballis . . . they were blow . . . they were very excited.

Also, if you didn't see TDKR in IMAX with a pulse pounding sound system, then you didn't see TDKR.


No. That scene was too cool to nitpick. The only problem I had with the film is the glaring continuity error involving Tate. She gets captured by Bane. He asks his men to bring her to him. Then she mysteriously ends up with Lucius Fox when Bruce sneaks in to talk with him. Then she is back with Bane. It's pretty obvious the scene with Fox is supposed to happen before she gets captured.

This is my one and only gripe with the movie. Maybe there will be a recut edition of this movie that will fix that problem. Or at least digitally erase her from that scene as she does not need to be in it.
 
2012-07-30 04:52:52 AM  
Dropped 60% from last weekend. That keeps up and it'll only gross $375 million, not even close to The Avengers or The Dark Knight.

3rd weekend usually drops less than the 2nd though.
 
2012-07-30 06:10:54 AM  
Oh holy shiat another comic book movie. Here's my $12.
 
2012-07-30 06:40:41 AM  

TheGhostofFarkPast: you know Bane wasn't invented right?


I know Bane is an established character in the DC universe. If you'd passed 5th grade, you'd have noticed that what I said was that the writers of the movie invented a totally new bad guy, then slapped Bane's name on him.
 
2012-07-30 07:33:09 AM  
Saw it this weekend finally, I liked it. I think I still like the second one better but I'll have to watch this one again when it comes out on-demand.

Was it perfect? No, but I think it was pretty well done.

My friend had the same complaint, "Ohhhhh it wasn't exactly like the comic, waahhh!" Who cares??? How are you supposed to be creative or tell something new if you're supposed to follow exactly the very first version of a character? These three films were their own story, they weren't supposed to be like anything before. They had their own main theme that Nolan wanted to tell through a trilogy and that's what he did, Batman is a symbol.
 
2012-07-30 08:21:37 AM  

Kaybeck: Close2TheEdge: Skills, which he never employed except when in the bat-suit, but why let facts get in the way of a good snarky insult. Actually, I don't need things spoon fed, but I also don't simply accept things that don't make sense because the scriptwriter simply leaves it out. I hope that there actually is a cut scene and not plain hackneyed writing.

Yes because Bruce has NO IDEA how to employ ANY of the training he received unless he's wearing a suit he acquired AFTER he had completed his training.

It makes perfect sense. The screenwriter already established he has special training. To have to explain it again for those that needs everything explained and restated, does nothing to serve the story.

What next?

"Oh Batman's using poison tipped darts! We never saw him make the darts in the batcave or the sedative that knocks him out, what poor screenwriting!"

"What? How did they rebuild Wayne Manor with the piano that opens a secret passage to the Batcave without the builders getting wise? Man, they did a disservice to the story by not dedicating 30 minutes of the movie showing how Bruce and Alfred avoided that problem."


Speaking of which. They rebuilt Wayne Manor, but it looks like it has been there for over a hundred years. The sides were all old and weathered. So did they BUILD it that way? Using construction materials that were manufactured to look worn?

Yes, I'm nit-picking. Get me my coffee, waitress!
 
2012-07-30 08:29:36 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Saw it this weekend finally, I liked it. I think I still like the second one better but I'll have to watch this one again when it comes out on-demand.

Was it perfect? No, but I think it was pretty well done.

My friend had the same complaint, "Ohhhhh it wasn't exactly like the comic, waahhh!" Who cares??? How are you supposed to be creative or tell something new if you're supposed to follow exactly the very first version of a character? These three films were their own story, they weren't supposed to be like anything before. They had their own main theme that Nolan wanted to tell through a trilogy and that's what he did, Batman is a symbol.


I know a few people who were like that. Funny thing is, they complain about the smallest detail in a film not being exactly like the original comic, but they have no problem when different writers re-write characters and change backstories in the comics.
 
2012-07-30 08:46:34 AM  
If this movie (or any comic book movie, for that matter) had been 'just like the comic' it would have flopped miserably. Comics are not high literature, you know.
 
2012-07-30 08:53:42 AM  

Christian Bale: Dropped 60% from last weekend. That keeps up and it'll only gross $375 million, not even close to The Avengers or The Dark Knight.

3rd weekend usually drops less than the 2nd though.


If only there was a big tragedy where lots of people got murdered and wounded and was directly related to the movie in question so much that people were scared of getting anywhere close to a theater after the shiatstorm the media wrangled around it.
 
2012-07-30 08:55:00 AM  

Close2TheEdge: Kaybeck: Close2TheEdge: Skills, which he never employed except when in the bat-suit, but why let facts get in the way of a good snarky insult. Actually, I don't need things spoon fed, but I also don't simply accept things that don't make sense because the scriptwriter simply leaves it out. I hope that there actually is a cut scene and not plain hackneyed writing.

Yes because Bruce has NO IDEA how to employ ANY of the training he received unless he's wearing a suit he acquired AFTER he had completed his training.

It makes perfect sense. The screenwriter already established he has special training. To have to explain it again for those that needs everything explained and restated, does nothing to serve the story.

What next?

"Oh Batman's using poison tipped darts! We never saw him make the darts in the batcave or the sedative that knocks him out, what poor screenwriting!"

"What? How did they rebuild Wayne Manor with the piano that opens a secret passage to the Batcave without the builders getting wise? Man, they did a disservice to the story by not dedicating 30 minutes of the movie showing how Bruce and Alfred avoided that problem."

Speaking of which. They rebuilt Wayne Manor, but it looks like it has been there for over a hundred years. The sides were all old and weathered. So did they BUILD it that way? Using construction materials that were manufactured to look worn?

Yes, I'm nit-picking. Get me my coffee, waitress!


Alfred even mentioned recalling Mr. Wayne's cries echoing through the halls of the house. Perhaps Mr. Wayne borrowed President Obama's time travel technology during reconstruction.
 
2012-07-30 09:30:27 AM  
It was two and a half hours of setup followed by about ten minutes of plot ends flying together in somewhat unsatisfying ways. The all-too-brief highlights were the scenes of Dr. Crane's kangaroo court. Catwoman was superfluous.
 
2012-07-30 09:48:21 AM  

RainbowDash: My favorite scene


SPOILER:



The truly hilarious thing is that this is almost EXACTLY how TDKR ended - right down to "Robin" thinking he died when the bomb went off. I have to believe this was an intentional joke/nod from Nolan.
 
2012-07-30 10:13:30 AM  

Close2TheEdge: They rebuilt Wayne Manor, but it looks like it has been there for over a hundred years. The sides were all old and weathered. So did they BUILD it that way? Using construction materials that were manufactured to look worn?


The mansion is made of stone. They had a small house fire. I doubt the fire burned the STONE house to the ground. Just because they had to "rebuild" the house doesn't mean they necessarily had to rebuild it from the foundation up.

That said, if they DID have to rebuild it from the foundation up, they could have easily used old building materials. And even if they DID have to use new building materials, this movie takes place at least 8 years after the house burned down in the first movie (anyone know how much time was covered in the second movie?). If I gave you a casual glance at a picture of the side of a stone building, could you tell me if it was 100 years old or 10?
 
2012-07-30 10:31:57 AM  

farkityfarker: Seriously? It's a movie about a man who fights crime while dressed in a cheesy bat costume.

What's wrong with people?


What kind of world do we live in where a man dressed up as a bat steals all Step Up's press?
 
2012-07-30 10:37:46 AM  
Minor spoilers:

The only part of the movie I leaned over to my brother and said "wtf" was when Bruce Wayne returned to Gotham after escaping from the pit. This was a point in the movie where time was at the utmost importance and yet the Batman has the time to go out of his way to create a giant flaming Batman symbol on one of the bridges. What, does he have like a stencil or something for those? If not, I have a hard time believing that he was able to paint that symbol up there for what had to have been 3 hours of work easily with no one seeing him. Where did he even get the flammable material anyway!? And don't get me started on Bane's round-trip flight to BFE Uzbeckistan or wherever that pit prison was located while in the middle of his plans to take over Gotham.

/end rant, still liked the movie.
 
2012-07-30 10:53:56 AM  
Omis: TDKR is the first movie I've watched more than once in the theater since I was a kid. The thing I find funny is that the people who don't like this movie usually say that Batman Begins is the best in the series. Where I am the opposite, I think it is the weakest. But they are all pretty close in terms of quality. Just BB has a sound stage look to it that I don't like.

To me TDKR is the weakest. Followed by BB, with TDK taking the top honor.

Lots of things that don't make sense, too much asking for belief suspension in a series where they started wanting it to be gritty and real, to many characters, useless plot, and misused screen time.

And I know they want to respect Ledger, but not one mention of The Joker when the entire city is in shambles? Citizens are fighting for their lives and safety? Bane basically does what the joker wanted just to inflict pain on Batman?

It was ok-good. It's one of the strongest trilogies. But it left me disappointed after the bar set by the last film.
 
2012-07-30 10:54:22 AM  
TDKR = Two 2 hour 20 minute movies that would each probably be great crammed into one overstuffed 2 hour 45 minute movie that's good but flawed
 
2012-07-30 11:02:27 AM  
The_Gallant_Gallstone: ODDwhun: Ridiculously full of Spoilers:

It's the only way the second half of the movie makes sense in the Nolanverse. If you doubt Nolan would do this then you obviously didn't see Inception.

Was there anything in the movie to indicate that the second half was the result of morphine-fueled dreaming. Inception gives you something in its framework to indicate a "less-than-happy" ending.


Not really, unless you count a cop out, ambiguous ending with no foreshadowing indicative...

Inception was a fun light scifi action movie. Nothing more. It wasn't "deep" and the ending was BS. Classic pancake / pan flip. And the Nolanites ate it up.
 
2012-07-30 11:04:05 AM  

cetacei: Thank God Nolan is done with Batman. Maybe they can find someone competent to fix the franchise now that he's moved on to ruining Superman.


Oh god, the stupid in this post. Do you not remember the state of the franchise before Nolan? I didn't see Begins until a few months after it had been on DVD, and then I had to convince friends, "Hey, the new Batman doesn't actually suck, you should give it a chance." Me and those same friends all saw the sequels in the first couple weeks it was out in theaters,
 
2012-07-30 11:06:25 AM  
alwaysjaded: Honest Bender: alwaysjaded: Went again in IMAX with the understanding that the movie's theme was pain and it was more about Bruce and the aftermath of being Batman did to him and those he cared for and I liked it a whole lot more.

That's not Batman. Spiderman, maybe. But Batman is a symbol. He doesn't give up. He doesn't complain. He never stops. That's what makes Batman so awesome. The concept of Batman locking himself up in his mansion for the better part of a DECADE because his girly friend died is insulting. That's NOT Batman.

Batman would brood. He'd get darker. He would NOT abscond to France to live out his life as a spoiled rich family man.

Well, I've always thought of Nolan's trilogy as like a stand alone story from a graphic novel. He's an author that took an established character and put his own spin on it that's not really part of canon. So it works within its own rules. Just my opinion.


Problem is he broke all the rules BB and TDK established.

Even the golden rule that set up TDK to be so important, and give the Joker his title as the only villain to win in the end.

TDKR, in retrospect, shiats all over TDK and diminishes it.
 
2012-07-30 11:13:34 AM  

m1ke: This was a point in the movie where time was at the utmost importance and yet the Batman has the time to go out of his way to create a giant flaming Batman symbol on one of the bridges. What, does he have like a stencil or something for those? If not, I have a hard time believing that he was able to paint that symbol up there for what had to have been 3 hours of work easily with no one seeing him. Where did he even get the flammable material anyway!?


He was calling out Bane, as well as giving Gotham a sign of hope. It's kinda important.
 
2012-07-30 11:15:06 AM  

improvius: The truly hilarious thing is that this is almost EXACTLY how TDKR ended - right down to "Robin" thinking he died when the bomb went off. I have to believe this was an intentional joke/nod from Nolan.


Duh. The whole farking movie was Nolan's take on DKR (with a little Knightfall, but not too much). Seriously people, are we even paying attention?
 
2012-07-30 11:17:50 AM  
Close2TheEdge: consider this: Close2TheEdge: Couple that with the enormous plot holes (how exactly did Bruce Wayne re-enter the city?)

How is that a plot hole? He's the goddamn Batman, I'm sure he can find a way to sneak into Gotham. It's not like they had armed guards every 20 feet around the entire perimeter.

Exactly my point. They suggested that by blowing the bridges, nobody could get out. Yet, Bruce Wayne gets IN? Without any of his awesome stealth gear? And nobody recognizes him? I thought that was just asking the audience to purposely not use it's brain. Maybe there was a scene cut, I don't know.

The Bane army never seemed large enough or terrifying enough to maintain control of an entire city, even with the supposed bomb threat. There would be escapes, and once word got out that escapes were possible, there would be a breakdown of control. Besides, what exactly did the thugs get out of this scheme? Bane basically said, I'm going to eventually kill you all. You mean to tell me the Bane army were all OK with a sucicide pact? Please. He wasn't farking Jim Jones, for chrissakes.


Thats actually not a problem IMO. It's the 9/11 hijackers all over again. Both his goons, and the city thought he had some crazy thoughts on revolution and was using the bomb for leverage. We the viewer though know it was actually the end game. As the people on the planes that hit the world trade center didn't do a damn thing because they thought they'd get out of it, until they didn't, and flight 93 knew what the real game was.

Nolan rather clumsily pounds it into the viewer via the Detective that refuses to help Gordon, and refuses to believe the weapon is set to blow anyways. "Wait it out, Bane's just using it at leverage and if we stay low everything will be ok".
 
2012-07-30 11:23:01 AM  

cetacei: Superman


You must have missed Superman Returns. It will be hard for Nolan to do worse. Not impossible, but difficult.
 
2012-07-30 11:30:21 AM  
Still haven't seen it. Not sure I want to. Haven't read the thread, either.. Just in case I do see it.

I'm interested, but frankly, I'm kind of bored with Batman. He's over-exposed. You'd think Batman and Superman are the only two characters DC has.
 
2012-07-30 11:30:47 AM  
I'm glad I'm not that only one disappointed in this last Batman. Batman acted like a giant pussy who was unsure of himself. And I couldn't get over the fact that he needed bionic legs to walk around, followed by being just fine down the in the pit-prison.

Still a pretty cool movie though. And I got to see it in IMAX, which was awesome.
 
2012-07-30 11:31:41 AM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I loved TDKR, and I really didn't care for Prometheus, even though many of the criticisms I levied against Prometheus could be equally applied to TDKR.

Plot holes, silly character decisions, jumps in the storyline, etc... But for some reason I give Batman a pass. Maybe because I've never been a huge Batman fan, and I consider Alien/s to be epics.


Probably the only fair assessment I'd take. In many ways Batman is worse, because of precedent established by the director. ALIEN was originally a B horror flick in space that hit everything just right, and now is seen as something more.

I keep saying it, but give Prometheus another chance. Overlook and rationalize away "the stupid" as a heavy handed reference to human arrogance and hubris, and look for the better stuff behind the cliche plot. It's there.

Best breakdown of the deeper stuff in Prometheus: http://www.chud.com/100388/stealing-fire-in-praise-of-prometheus/

Batman, well, it wasn't supposed to be deeper than the plot. Nolan's never been big on big ideas and allegory. Memento is a freaking awesome movie, but even there the movie revolves 100% around a carefully designed plot.
 
2012-07-30 11:36:15 AM  
chewielouie: If you're gonna knit pick and have a problem with TDKR, then it has to be the flaming Batman logo. Seriously, do you have any idea how long it would take one person, who is racing against the clock because he knows the bomb is gonna explode in less than 12 hours (wait, how exactly did HE know that?), never mind. Anyway, it would take a pretty long time to rig up that light show. By the way, what a way to blow the element of surprise and let your adversary know you're back.

Anyway, all of that gets a pass, because he's the damn Batman and that scene was absolutely farking awesome. Saw it opening night and the audience went ballis . . . they were blow . . . they were very excited.

Also, if you didn't see TDKR in IMAX with a pulse pounding sound system, then you didn't see TDKR.


Doesn't even matter, since Talia is there with Gordon and Fox, when Wayne and Selina shows up to rescue Fox. She SAW him before he even suits up.

Right there the whole reason and twist for the last act falls apart. The only reason the bomb isn't detonated right there is so she can reveal herself with Bane and have a comic book villain nefarious plan show and tell.

Really lame.
 
2012-07-30 12:26:27 PM  
I found the random inclusion of Sandman as a Judge sentencing people to death or exile made zero sense. Did Bane seek out Sandman and ask if he would be interested in a judge position? Did he track him down on his LinkedIn profile? What a stupid and ridiculous scene...

/Cillian Murphy was great in the 1st one. Such a shame to retard his character the way it was in 2 & 3.
 
2012-07-30 12:33:09 PM  

Gotfire: I found the random inclusion of Sandman as a Judge sentencing people to death or exile made zero sense. Did Bane seek out Sandman and ask if he would be interested in a judge position? Did he track him down on his LinkedIn profile? What a stupid and ridiculous scene...

/Cillian Murphy was great in the 1st one. Such a shame to retard his character the way it was in 2 & 3.


OMG a movie about BATMAN wasn't based entirely in reality! Scarecrow was insane after the first movie anyway for breathing his own toxin. The little nods to his character from movie to movie are just that, nods to the other movies. The court scenes added a bit of comic relief to an otherwise dramatic storyline.

The nit picking of this movie is absurd.
 
2012-07-30 12:41:57 PM  

Gotfire: I found the random inclusion of Sandmanthe Scarecrow as a Judge sentencing people to death or exile made zero sense.


Well, they couldn't ask the Joker.
 
2012-07-30 12:47:20 PM  
Given that the actor who was supposed to play the pivotal role in the third and final movie died before the second movie's release, Nolan did an astounding job of rescuing the third film from what should have been a complete disaster.

Plus, I thought the Batwing was going to be painfully bad when I saw it in the trailers. I was delightfully wrong about that. It pushes credulity much farther than the tumbler and batpod, but it still just works.

/was disappointed Detroit lost the role of Gotham
//but Pittsburgh did a terrific job
///half of the fun of these films is watching the mash-up of older American cities
 
2012-07-30 12:56:41 PM  

Hebalo: He was calling out Bane, as well as giving Gotham a sign of hope. It's kinda important


Obviously more important than trying to locate the bomb that is going to go off shortly.
 
2012-07-30 12:59:26 PM  

Gotfire: I found the random inclusion of Sandman as a Judge sentencing people to death or exile made zero sense. Did Bane seek out Sandman and ask if he would be interested in a judge position? Did he track him down on his LinkedIn profile? What a stupid and ridiculous scene...

/Cillian Murphy was great in the 1st one. Such a shame to retard his character the way it was in 2 & 3.


Scarecrow was one of the inmates. It was made quite clear that after the prisons were all emptied, that the inmates were running the asylum, in fact running the entire city. Bane wouldn't have needed to "seek out" scarecrow.
 
2012-07-30 01:01:44 PM  

Hebalo: improvius: The truly hilarious thing is that this is almost EXACTLY how TDKR ended - right down to "Robin" thinking he died when the bomb went off. I have to believe this was an intentional joke/nod from Nolan.

Duh. The whole farking movie was Nolan's take on DKR The 1966 Batman movie (with a little Knightfall, but not too much). Seriously people, are we even paying attention?


That's the only way this post makes sense, sorry.
 
2012-07-30 01:02:12 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Scarecrow was one of the inmates. It was made quite clear that after the prisons were all emptied, that the inmates were running the asylum, in fact running the entire city. Bane wouldn't have needed to "seek out" scarecrow.


Okay that makes sense. I missed that part apparently..
 
2012-07-30 01:07:08 PM  

TyrantII: Inception was a fun light scifi action movie. Nothing more. It wasn't "deep" and the ending was BS. Classic pancake / pan flip. And the Nolanites ate it up.


Um...not discounting your point, which I kind of understand, but did you make up that term? and if not, could you cite it somewhere so I can understand what you're saying better?
 
2012-07-30 01:19:28 PM  

Madbassist1: Hebalo: improvius: The truly hilarious thing is that this is almost EXACTLY how TDKR ended - right down to "Robin" thinking he died when the bomb went off. I have to believe this was an intentional joke/nod from Nolan.

Duh. The whole farking movie was Nolan's take on DKR The 1966 Batman movie (with a little Knightfall, but not too much). Seriously people, are we even paying attention?

That's the only way this post makes sense, sorry.


Seeing how both movies had a climax where Batman had to get away with a bomb about to explode, you're not that far off.
 
2012-07-30 01:27:26 PM  
debbie_does_dishes: Gotfire: I found the random inclusion of Sandman as a Judge sentencing people to death or exile made zero sense. Did Bane seek out Sandman and ask if he would be interested in a judge position? Did he track him down on his LinkedIn profile? What a stupid and ridiculous scene...

/Cillian Murphy was great in the 1st one. Such a shame to retard his character the way it was in 2 & 3.

OMG a movie about BATMAN wasn't based entirely in reality! Scarecrow was insane after the first movie anyway for breathing his own toxin. The little nods to his character from movie to movie are just that, nods to the other movies. The court scenes added a bit of comic relief to an otherwise dramatic storyline.

The nit picking of this movie is absurd.


Honestly, that would have been the prefect place to put the Joker, on the stack of mismatched desks, at the mock trials, with the exact same sentences.

Madbassist1: TyrantII: Inception was a fun light scifi action movie. Nothing more. It wasn't "deep" and the ending was BS. Classic pancake / pan flip. And the Nolanites ate it up.

Um...not discounting your point, which I kind of understand, but did you make up that term? and if not, could you cite it somewhere so I can understand what you're saying better?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQvM9-IxncQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI2MQkihhM4

Basically a Kerouac beatnik hipster style of falsely making things seem more important, or to symbolize something else then they really are.

Nolan did so in my mind since he really didn't put in legwork foreshadowing (for either way), he just flat out cops out with asking an ambiguous question at the end. What is reality is fine and dandy, but the characters "waking time" did nothing to make you think twice till the last frames. Bleh.
 
2012-07-30 02:05:19 PM  

TyrantII: chewielouie: If you're gonna knit pick and have a problem with TDKR, then it has to be the flaming Batman logo. Seriously, do you have any idea how long it would take one person, who is racing against the clock because he knows the bomb is gonna explode in less than 12 hours (wait, how exactly did HE know that?), never mind. Anyway, it would take a pretty long time to rig up that light show. By the way, what a way to blow the element of surprise and let your adversary know you're back.

Anyway, all of that gets a pass, because he's the damn Batman and that scene was absolutely farking awesome. Saw it opening night and the audience went ballis . . . they were blow . . . they were very excited.

Also, if you didn't see TDKR in IMAX with a pulse pounding sound system, then you didn't see TDKR.

Doesn't even matter, since Talia is there with Gordon and Fox, when Wayne and Selina shows up to rescue Fox. She SAW him before he even suits up.

Right there the whole reason and twist for the last act falls apart. The only reason the bomb isn't detonated right there is so she can reveal herself with Bane and have a comic book villain nefarious plan show and tell.

Really lame.


Damn it. Ok, point well taken, but then again, Talia probably didn't see Bruce/Batman as a realistic threat to her plan anymore. Or maybe, for whatever reason, we can imagine that she was unable to notify Bane that he was back before he lit the signal. Or even if she did, the signal wasn't just for Bane . . . but for everyone in Gotham. Nevertheless, it friggin' worked.

My minor complaints of the move:

1. Bane's final demise. Yes, Batman eventually got the payback everyone was waiting for, but the scene of him being blown away could have been done in grander fashion.
2. I didn't mind the afternoon brawl, but I still would have preferred some cool entrance by Batman into the scene, instead of him just walking amongst the mayhem looking for Bane. A dramatic drop from the hovering Bat would have been better.
3. Talia died believing she won. We can't have that. Her last sight should have been the Bat flying away with the bomb in tow.
4. They never should have shown Wayne at the end. A look up from Alfred followed by a saddened look that could either be ongoing grief or overwhelming joy would have been perfect.
 
2012-07-30 02:11:42 PM  
I loved it. Not a Nolanite. I think The Dark Knight is way over-rated, and i've yet to make it it through Inception without falling asleep (no pun intended, but the honest truth).

The Dark Knight Rises is the first film that i actually think he sucessfully hits all the right emotions... thrill, awe, devastation, cheering, mourning, laughter. It was as epic as could be asked for... Was it perfect? No, but its the best new release (for me) that i've seen in the last 20 years.
 
2012-07-30 02:43:03 PM  

chewielouie: 4. They never should have shown Wayne at the end. A look up from Alfred followed by a saddened look that could either be ongoing grief or overwhelming joy would have been perfect.


I and a lot of people agree it would have been better if the scene ended when Alfred smiles and let the audience decide, but I don't think Nolan wants to pigeon-hole himself as the ambiguous ending guy. You could look at it like Alfred was daydreaming what he wanted to see, but as far as I know the movie doesn't give any clues that this is the case.
 
2012-07-30 02:49:58 PM  
All of this monday morning quarterbacking butt hurt has happened before:

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2012-07-30 03:52:48 PM  
chewielouie: TyrantII: chewielouie: If you're gonna knit pick and have a problem with TDKR, then it has to be the flaming Batman logo. Seriously, do you have any idea how long it would take one person, who is racing against the clock because he knows the bomb is gonna explode in less than 12 hours (wait, how exactly did HE know that?), never mind. Anyway, it would take a pretty long time to rig up that light show. By the way, what a way to blow the element of surprise and let your adversary know you're back.

Anyway, all of that gets a pass, because he's the damn Batman and that scene was absolutely farking awesome. Saw it opening night and the audience went ballis . . . they were blow . . . they were very excited.

Also, if you didn't see TDKR in IMAX with a pulse pounding sound system, then you didn't see TDKR.

Doesn't even matter, since Talia is there with Gordon and Fox, when Wayne and Selina shows up to rescue Fox. She SAW him before he even suits up.

Right there the whole reason and twist for the last act falls apart. The only reason the bomb isn't detonated right there is so she can reveal herself with Bane and have a comic book villain nefarious plan show and tell.

Really lame.

Damn it. Ok, point well taken, but then again, Talia probably didn't see Bruce/Batman as a realistic threat to her plan anymore. Or maybe, for whatever reason, we can imagine that she was unable to notify Bane that he was back before he lit the signal. Or even if she did, the signal wasn't just for Bane . . . but for everyone in Gotham. Nevertheless, it friggin' worked.

My minor complaints of the move:

1. Bane's final demise. Yes, Batman eventually got the payback everyone was waiting for, but the scene of him being blown away could have been done in grander fashion.
2. I didn't mind the afternoon brawl, but I still would have preferred some cool entrance by Batman into the scene, instead of him just walking amongst the mayhem looking for Bane. A dramatic drop from the hovering Bat would h ...


Yeah, didn't hate it at all. Still one of the best trilogies out there IMO. Just, felt like they couldn't find a way to stitch all their great ideas and set pieces together into the paradigm and rules he created in the first two. He didn't fail miserably, but I'm not sure he succeeded.

There's one scene where batman is just sitting on the bridge overlooking Gotham.... for no reason. He's not doing anything, it's day time, and not going anywhere. ???. Next scene is night time with Seline and the thugs...

The ending needed to be the way it was with Alfred because people are STILL questioning if it was a dream, and if Batman really made it. Even though they hit you over the head with dialogue from Fox explaining it, and show Alfred see Bruce.

I swear I used to hate on the LUCAS'ing of films (tell the audience everything - poison dart hits guy: "its a poisoooon daaart!"). But now I'm starting to realize that audiences have been conditioned to be so dumb that even telling them in shiatty dialogue isn't getting through their thick skulls.
 
2012-07-31 08:05:01 PM  

chewielouie: Anyway, it would take a pretty long time to rig up that light show. By the way, what a way to blow the element of surprise and let your adversary know you're back.


The practicality of setting it up was impossible, yes.

But the point was that he WANTED them to know. He doesn't need surprise.

An aside: Sometimes brash bravado is better than surprise. Psychological thing.
 
2012-07-31 08:07:56 PM  

improvius: The all-too-brief highlights were the scenes of Dr. Crane's kangaroo court.


He looked and sounded enough like a crazy, emaciated Brad Pitt that I let myself believe that it was actually Tyler Durden and the movie was better for it.
 
2012-07-31 08:16:02 PM  

browntimmy: I and a lot of people agree it would have been better if the scene ended when Alfred smiles and let the audience decide, but I don't think Nolan wants to pigeon-hole himself as the ambiguous ending guy. You could look at it like Alfred was daydreaming what he wanted to see, but as far as I know the movie doesn't give any clues that this is the case.


They made a big deal in the beginning/middle of the movie about the Clean Slate program, and how Batman (or was it Bruce Wayne? i forgot) had it.

If you're going to show a gun, it must be used by the end of the movie.

So much other crap happened in the meantime that I must admit to having forgotten all about it until the post-funeral scenes.
 
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