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(Globe and Mail)   People have been firing upon the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, but the Mounties would like you to know they will have Nunavut   (theglobeandmail.com) divider line 73
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2012-07-29 12:34:49 PM  

Cyrusv10: People have been firing upon the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, but the Mounties would like you to know they will have Nunavut

Subby, that was cute.


That was my first thoughts upon hearing of the creation of Nunavut. I was teaching English in Taiwan when the announcement came, and my Canadian colleague upon hearing the news was all grumbly about political correctness and the government giving away the store and actually very civil about it but he clearly thought it a bad move.
 
2012-07-29 12:36:06 PM  

Kevin72: Highroller48: smitty04: A person needed an IQ far above average just to be accepted into the Air Force pilot training program and 20% of those washed out.

Wrong Bush. IIRC Dubya was in the National Guard, not the Air Force. All you need to get into the Guard is nothing better to do on the weekends.

Not when people were being drafted to go to Vietnam. Then you needed to be the son of a congressman with a lot of pull and connections to get into the national guard, and having a former senator as grandfather also helped. Poppy Bush on the other hand joined the airforce to fight in WWll the day he turned 18.


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^This^

NG units did not get rotated to Vietnam the way they get sent to Afghanistan now. Being in a NG unit during the Vietnam War guaranteed that you would not be sent to Vietnam, nor would you have to deal with the problems of being a draft dodger or deserter. As a result, the NG had more than enough volunteers during the Vietnam War. As the Vietnam War heated up, the only way to get a coveted spot in the NG was through connections.
 
2012-07-29 01:13:44 PM  
The F102 had a pilot kill rate equal or exceeding the operational pilot losses in Nam. Or so I've been told.
 
2012-07-29 01:22:50 PM  

Magic_Button: Fissile: TEB -- Typical Eskimo Behavior. Oh, right. Can't call them Eskimos anymore, they are "First Nations".

LOL -- Yes that is a real informed opinion there ... Eskimo is a small island on the east coast ... so your post is like calling all American , Canadians and Mexicans " Cubans "


Or everyone from New York state, Schenectadians...
 
2012-07-29 02:08:37 PM  
Yeah well. If you want to see third-world poverty in a first world nation, book your flight on a bush plane out to a shiatty tundra hamlet.

The Canadians and the Americans gave their native Indians the land they didn't want, and it really shows. National Geographic did an article on how poverty runs rampant on Indian reservations, but the "First Nations" reservations are significantly worse.
 
2012-07-29 02:10:53 PM  

elk-tamer: Magic_Button: Fissile: TEB -- Typical Eskimo Behavior. Oh, right. Can't call them Eskimos anymore, they are "First Nations".

LOL -- Yes that is a real informed opinion there ... Eskimo is a small island on the east coast ... so your post is like calling all American , Canadians and Mexicans " Cubans "

Or everyone from New York state, Schenectadians...


Well, isn't a Schenectady when you use part of something to refer to all of it?
 
2012-07-29 02:28:51 PM  

KimNorth: You can never completely tame the natives or bring them all they way into the current century.


Racist much?
 
2012-07-29 02:47:55 PM  

Five Minute Standup: elk-tamer: Magic_Button: Fissile: TEB -- Typical Eskimo Behavior. Oh, right. Can't call them Eskimos anymore, they are "First Nations".

LOL -- Yes that is a real informed opinion there ... Eskimo is a small island on the east coast ... so your post is like calling all American , Canadians and Mexicans " Cubans "

Or everyone from New York state, Schenectadians...

Well, isn't a Schenectady when you use part of something to refer to all of it?

Synecdoche, but yes that's what I was going for.
 
2012-07-29 02:58:23 PM  

Tywin Lannister: KimNorth: You can never completely tame the natives or bring them all they way into the current century.

Racist much?


He should have said, "What it will take is a lot of work to bridge the cultural and ethnic and economic and social divides. And this takes time. But first we have to admit and own that they exist and respect them as well."
 
2012-07-29 03:13:55 PM  

elk-tamer: Five Minute Standup: elk-tamer: Magic_Button: Fissile: TEB -- Typical Eskimo Behavior. Oh, right. Can't call them Eskimos anymore, they are "First Nations".

LOL -- Yes that is a real informed opinion there ... Eskimo is a small island on the east coast ... so your post is like calling all American , Canadians and Mexicans " Cubans "

Or everyone from New York state, Schenectadians...

Well, isn't a Schenectady when you use part of something to refer to all of it?
Synecdoche, but yes that's what I was going for.


So is the proper current PC term for people of the north 'Inuit'?

/it was when my kids were in school..
//pretty sure all the 16mm films when I was in school described all peoples of the north as 'Eskimo'..
 
2012-07-29 03:26:30 PM  

strutin: So is the proper current PC term for people of the north 'Inuit'?

/it was when my kids were in school..
//pretty sure all the 16mm films when I was in school described all peoples of the north as 'Eskimo'..


Political correctness evolves:

Usage Note: The preferred term for the native peoples of the Canadian Arctic and Greenland is now Inuit, and the use of Eskimo in referring to these peoples is often considered offensive, especially in Canada. Inuit, the plural of the Inuit word inuk, "human being," is less exact in referring to the peoples of northern Alaska, who speak dialects of the closely related Inupiaq language, and it is inappropriate when used in reference to speakers of Yupik, the Eskimoan language branch of western Alaska and the Siberian Arctic.
 
2012-07-29 03:30:11 PM  
Well when the only law enforcement for an indian tribe is 3 white guys from out of the area you are going to have people that aren't happy about it.
 
2012-07-29 03:30:54 PM  

strutin:

So is the proper current PC term for people of the north 'Inuit'?

/it was when my kids were in school..
//pretty sure all the 16mm films when I was in school described all peoples of the north as 'Eskimo'..


Yes, "Inuit". The original locals I've heard describing themselves use a different term though. I get the sense that any label adopted by outsiders irritates them.
 
2012-07-29 03:40:34 PM  

smitty04: strutin: So is the proper current PC term for people of the north 'Inuit'?

/it was when my kids were in school..
//pretty sure all the 16mm films when I was in school described all peoples of the north as 'Eskimo'..

Political correctness evolves:

Usage Note: The preferred term for the native peoples of the Canadian Arctic and Greenland is now Inuit, and the use of Eskimo in referring to these peoples is often considered offensive, especially in Canada. Inuit, the plural of the Inuit word inuk, "human being," is less exact in referring to the peoples of northern Alaska, who speak dialects of the closely related Inupiaq language, and it is inappropriate when used in reference to speakers of Yupik, the Eskimoan language branch of western Alaska and the Siberian Arctic.


OK, I get it. The Inupiaq and Yupik speakers are not human beings.
 
2012-07-29 03:43:47 PM  

Cyrusv10: People have been firing upon the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, but the Mounties would like you to know they will have Nunavut

Subby, that was cute.


Thanks!
 
2012-07-29 05:22:48 PM  

SwiftFox: smitty04: strutin: So is the proper current PC term for people of the north 'Inuit'?

/it was when my kids were in school..
//pretty sure all the 16mm films when I was in school described all peoples of the north as 'Eskimo'..

Political correctness evolves:

Usage Note: The preferred term for the native peoples of the Canadian Arctic and Greenland is now Inuit, and the use of Eskimo in referring to these peoples is often considered offensive, especially in Canada. Inuit, the plural of the Inuit word inuk, "human being," is less exact in referring to the peoples of northern Alaska, who speak dialects of the closely related Inupiaq language, and it is inappropriate when used in reference to speakers of Yupik, the Eskimoan language branch of western Alaska and the Siberian Arctic.

OK, I get it. The Inupiaq and Yupik speakers are not human beings.


As amazing as it sounds, one thing you discover (when doing some preliminary research on indigenous languages) is that--far more often than not--the autonym (or what the indigenous community in question call themselves in their own language) often translates to something akin to "the real people" or "the principal people"--and quite often, their names for OTHER peoples can be a bit derogatory.

For example, pretty much most of the folks in the Na-Dene language family (which includes Dine proper--better known as Navajo to most folks--as well as Inde, or Apache) refer to themselves as "Dene" or some variant thereof, being a term meaning "the real people". The same goes for the Algonkian languages that are the origin of the term "Eskimo" (with a term meaning "Real People" for the particular indigenous groups in question, and "Eskimo" meaning either roughly "ohgod they eat raw meat (ewww)" or "people who speak some other language we can't understand" depending on who you talk to).

About the only real exception to this that I know of involve (of all things) Iroquoian-speaking groups--the Iroquois Confederacy as a whole (all six nations) tend to refer to themselves as the Haudenosee (people of the longhouse, or more properly, "people coming togeter for a loghouse-raising", referring to both lifestyle AND governmental style).

Even more fun is Cherokee--and that's because they have two autonyms, one which has the rough meaning of "The principle people" keeping with the usual trope (Ani Yu~wiya--the tilde after the "u" indicating basically a nasalised schwa sound that doesn't transliterate well unless you're typing in Unicode-friendly fonts) AND an autonym meaning "People from Kituwa" or (probably more properly) "People whose national capital is Kituwa" (Ani Kituhwagi). The "Principle People" autonym is widely regarded as the older one, but the "People of Kituwa" autonym is far more common in practice nowadays.

(And lest one think this is restricted to just First Nations in North America...this is pretty much true across indigenous languages--same thing goes on with most indigenous Australian languages, too, as well as the eight-hundred-some-odd Papuan languages.)
 
2012-07-29 06:05:09 PM  

Fissile: TEB -- Typical Eskimo Behavior. Oh, right. Can't call them Eskimos anymore, they are "First Nations".


No, we are Inuk, asshat.
 
2012-07-29 06:16:33 PM  

LesserEvil: This is where the town pays $28 for a head of lettuce, and $40+/lb for steak.

Link


Wow, and that's with subsidies? Then again, it is the arctic. I wonder how Alaska handles it.
 
2012-07-29 06:35:46 PM  

Great Porn Dragon:

As amazing as it sounds, one thing you discover (when doing some preliminary research on indigenous languages) is that--far more often than not--the autonym (or what the indigenous community in question call themselves in their own language) often translates to something akin to "the real people" or "the principal people" ...



>snipped some great info

That was actually quite enlightening, thank you for teaching me something new today.. :-)
 
2012-07-29 08:23:53 PM  
Fortunately while a lot of those folks are pretty good shots, after 3 drinks most of them couldn't hit their own shadows at 3 paces.
 
2012-07-29 08:57:29 PM  

cynicalbastard: Fortunately while a lot of those folks are pretty good shots, after 3 drinks most of them couldn't hit their own shadows at 3 paces.


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Just like on a rez in the lower 48, only with a LOT more snow and ice.

Seriously, I can't understand why these people want to be up there anyway. It's not like they live a traditional life anymore. They don't hunt seals or whales anymore. They live in prefab housing, and eat spam and potato chips all day, while paying video games, all paid for by welfare. I mean, if you're going to live the ghetto life, why not do it where the weather is kind of nice? Somewhere near Vancouver for example. And if you moved down to where there is civilization, you might try doing some really wild and crazy............like getting a job. Hell, you may even like it! Your attitude will improve, and you won't be so depressed, and you may even decide to get on the wagon. Before you know it, you'd be just like a regular human being.
 
2012-07-29 10:21:30 PM  

Kevin72: Cyrusv10: People have been firing upon the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, but the Mounties would like you to know they will have Nunavut

Subby, that was cute.

That was my first thoughts upon hearing of the creation of Nunavut. I was teaching English in Taiwan when the announcement came, and my Canadian colleague upon hearing the news was all grumbly about political correctness and the government giving away the store and actually very civil about it but he clearly thought it a bad move.


Giving away the store... kind of like how they STOLE the store to begin with. lol
 
2012-07-30 03:13:33 AM  

danielscissorhands: Kevin72: Cyrusv10: People have been firing upon the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, but the Mounties would like you to know they will have Nunavut

Subby, that was cute.

That was my first thoughts upon hearing of the creation of Nunavut. I was teaching English in Taiwan when the announcement came, and my Canadian colleague upon hearing the news was all grumbly about political correctness and the government giving away the store and actually very civil about it but he clearly thought it a bad move.

Giving away the store... kind of like how they STOLE the store to begin with. lol


FARK reports. You LOL.
 
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