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2012-07-29 08:39:20 AM  
Dude, the Dakotas are so boring, the government should be giving marijuana away to the folks up there.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-29 08:45:34 AM  
Grensteiner's affidavit said she smelled like marijuana, so officers obtained a search warrant for her apartment.

Doesn't sound unreasonable if you buy into the war on drugs in general. People were there for pot, she smelled like pot.

The affidavit would not be sufficient where I live. Thanks to decriminalization for under an ounce, the law of Massachusetts says smelling like burnt marijuana is not probable cause but smelling like fresh marijuana is. The officer would need to explain why the amount in question was probably more than an ounce.
 
2012-07-29 08:46:25 AM  
the aft of david says NO
 
2012-07-29 08:51:30 AM  
if marijuana didn't make u all "goofy" like i'd say legalize it. but with today's glum economy you can't afford to have anyone "goof"ing off. am i right? take your swing at me!

images.wikia.com
 
2012-07-29 08:51:37 AM  
The American Government is waging a war against its own citizenry.

Can we charge the entire government with treason?
 
2012-07-29 08:53:34 AM  

Jorn the Younger: The American Government is waging a war against its own citizenry.

Can we charge the entire government with treason?


funny how they're ONLY catching the REAL criminals and not my hippie pot smoker type friends.
 
2012-07-29 08:57:17 AM  
I hope the rest of her customers know these two clowns and bust their asses for getting the local dealer in trouble.
 
2012-07-29 08:59:30 AM  

Sczi: I hope the rest of her customers know these two clowns and bust their asses for getting the local dealer in trouble.


fineartamerica.com
farm4.staticflickr.com

24 that's a bust
 
2012-07-29 08:59:30 AM  
Another proud day in the War on Drugs as a woman gets her apartment searched by cops with a warrant because two knuckleheads broke into it hoping to steal some marijuana


i1.ytimg.com
 
2012-07-29 09:00:30 AM  

rjakobi: Dude, the Dakotas are so boring, the government should be giving marijuana away to the folks up there.


The Black Hills and Badlands are not boring. I took a vacation through there last year. Beautiful, though it may eventually get boring looking at natures wonders I could have used a few more days of it.
 
2012-07-29 09:01:35 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Jorn the Younger: The American Government is waging a war against its own citizenry.

Can we charge the entire government with treason?

funny how they're ONLY catching the REAL criminals and not my hippie pot smoker type friends.


Your hippie pot smoker type friends likely haven't amassed vast material wealth the police like to confiscate and keep under the tenets of the War on (some) Drugs.

It's a cash-grab to the left, a power-grab to the right, and the regular citizenry just keep getting shafted, left, right and center.
 
2012-07-29 09:02:42 AM  
"She smelled like weed" is pretty weak PC for a warrant. A cop could just say anyone smelled like weed. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other.
 
2012-07-29 09:03:56 AM  

Jorn the Younger: Jon iz teh kewl: Jorn the Younger: The American Government is waging a war against its own citizenry.

Can we charge the entire government with treason?

funny how they're ONLY catching the REAL criminals and not my hippie pot smoker type friends.

Your hippie pot smoker type friends likely haven't amassed vast material wealth the police like to confiscate and keep under the tenets of the War on (some) Drugs.

It's a cash-grab to the left, a power-grab to the right, and the regular citizenry just keep getting shafted, left, right and center.


you got fins to the left, fins to the right, and your the only girl in town?
 
2012-07-29 09:08:32 AM  
Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.
 
2012-07-29 09:08:43 AM  
FTFA: According to an affidavit from Detective Loren Grensteiner, Robin Haider told an officer he and his brother were going to get some marijuana from the woman who lives in the apartment. They were hoping she would "front" them the drugs, because they didn't have any money.

Every weed dealer I've ever known does this all the time: "Okay, go get high as hell, then bring me back some money. Got it?"
 
2012-07-29 09:09:57 AM  

HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.


guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em
 
2012-07-29 09:11:52 AM  
Sorry but I don't think what someone "smells" like should be enough for a search warrant. It's one thing if they're operating a vehicle and you use that as a basis for a sobriety test, but a search? No.

I'm starting to wonder what this country is turning into where cops can get search warrants as well as do warrantless searches based on such flimsy bullshiat.
 
2012-07-29 09:13:56 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em


So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.
 
2012-07-29 09:16:36 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Sorry but I don't think what someone "smells" like should be enough for a search warrant. It's one thing if they're operating a vehicle and you use that as a basis for a sobriety test, but a search? No


If a drug dog went apeshiat around a person it would be one thing because you have the supposedly unbiased, incorruptible testimony of the dog (maybe). But if any cop can just tell a judge that any random person "smelled like weed", we might as well skip the paperwork and just have unlimited warrrantless searches. It's the same thing.
 
2012-07-29 09:16:53 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.


a single "pot" hit lasts for longer than 3 weeks. therefore during all that time your stoned at work. making you irritable and unfriendly. like most pot smokers.!
 
2012-07-29 09:19:27 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.


It's hard to tax something that you can grow and consume on your property. If the gubmint can't get their hands in there somewhere to make a buck off of it, they'll bring in the jackboots and just take everything you have.

/not a user of anything stronger than aspirin
//not a drinker, either
///just don't care if you want to spend your money that way...just stay off the streets til you sober up.
 
2012-07-29 09:19:28 AM  
i've seen what POT DOES TO PEOPLE *FIRSTHAND*
have *YOU*?

try going to a salvation army
then you'll see.
homeless out of work
just cause of one joint
and or alcohol which is also against Jesus.

www.fairlawnpd.com
 
2012-07-29 09:21:15 AM  
Maybe 'turning in' the old ladies with 200 cats and a hoard of garbage up to the rafters would solve 2 problems. The cops would clean out some houses and would get tired of needless search warrants.
 
2012-07-29 09:21:51 AM  

ReapTheChaos: So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.


Yeah keep your government out of it. Decriminalize under a certain amount, don't claim adding 100% of the cost in tax makes anyone happy.
 
2012-07-29 09:24:47 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: a single "pot" hit lasts for longer than 3 weeks. therefore during all that time your stoned at work. making you irritable and unfriendly. like most pot smokers.!


Are you always an idiot or do you just play one in the internet?
 
2012-07-29 09:25:39 AM  
if people are suing tobacco companies. you better bet they'd be suing heroin companies once that stuff is legalized (since pot is a GAYtway drug)
 
2012-07-29 09:25:52 AM  

ZAZ: Doesn't sound unreasonable if you buy into the war on drugs in general. People were there for pot, she smelled like pot.


Except there's no actual evidence being presented, no way to disprove the accusation and no consequence for finding no drugs. It's a fishing expedition.
 
2012-07-29 09:26:21 AM  
I'm about as pro marijuana as you can get but.... as far as probably cause/reason goes, this situation pretty much takes the cake. All that was missing was a joint tucked behind her ear.

If you don't want losers breaking in your house, guess what, you don't have to be a dealer that lies on your income tax form every year.
 
2012-07-29 09:26:50 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Jon iz teh kewl: a single "pot" hit lasts for longer than 3 weeks. therefore during all that time your stoned at work. making you irritable and unfriendly. like most pot smokers.!

Are you always an idiot or do you just play one in the internet?


i've seen pot smokers and all they're consentrated on is breaking the law.
like breaking and entering.
and child rape.

i've seen it happen
 
2012-07-29 09:27:15 AM  

bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

Yeah keep your government out of it. Decriminalize under a certain amount, don't claim adding 100% of the cost in tax makes anyone happy.


If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.
 
2012-07-29 09:28:10 AM  

Mugato: ReapTheChaos: Sorry but I don't think what someone "smells" like should be enough for a search warrant. It's one thing if they're operating a vehicle and you use that as a basis for a sobriety test, but a search? No

If a drug dog went apeshiat around a person it would be one thing because you have the supposedly unbiased, incorruptible testimony of the dog (maybe). But if any cop can just tell a judge that any random person "smelled like weed", we might as well skip the paperwork and just have unlimited warrrantless searches. It's the same thing.


A K9 went apeshiat around me and some friends back when I was a teenager.

Looking back, I realize that those were very cool cops.
 
2012-07-29 09:28:28 AM  

twiztedjustin: I'm about as pro marijuana as you can get but.... as far as probably cause/reason goes, this situation pretty much takes the cake. All that was missing was a joint tucked behind her ear.


Um, apparently they didn't find anything.
 
2012-07-29 09:29:09 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: if people are suing tobacco companies. you better bet they'd be suing heroin companies once that stuff is legalized (since pot is a GAYtway drug)


You Farkers postin' in a troll thread
 
2012-07-29 09:30:34 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i've seen what POT DOES TO PEOPLE *FIRSTHAND*
have *YOU*?

try going to a salvation army
then you'll see.
homeless out of work
just cause of one joint
and or alcohol which is also against Jesus.


0/10

You're not trying very hard.

/You forgot "TEH POTZ KILLZ!!1!"
 
2012-07-29 09:30:36 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i've seen what POT DOES TO PEOPLE *FIRSTHAND*
have *YOU*?

try going to a salvation army
then you'll see.
homeless out of work
just cause of one joint
and or alcohol which is also against Jesus.


Are you high right now?


/Drugs are bad mmmmmkay
 
2012-07-29 09:31:27 AM  
set bond for Robin Haider on Wednesday at 10 percent of $5,000, which means Haider must post $500 to be released

Thanks for the arithmetic refresher, newspaper guy.
 
2012-07-29 09:31:41 AM  
what's so special about pot anyway? it never got me laid.
 
2012-07-29 09:32:32 AM  

shotglasss: It's hard to tax something that you can grow and consume on your property. If the gubmint can't get their hands in there somewhere to make a buck off of it, they'll bring in the jackboots and just take everything you have.


Growing and harvesting good weed takes time and effort. People typically don't grow their own tobacco even with the high taxes on cigarettes. The people I know who smoke everyday might have a couple of plants growing but most of their consumption is from buying it.
 
2012-07-29 09:34:43 AM  

ReapTheChaos: bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

Yeah keep your government out of it. Decriminalize under a certain amount, don't claim adding 100% of the cost in tax makes anyone happy.

If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.


I used to think this but I'm not sure if I believe it anymore. Here in the SF bay area the medical dispensaries don't really sell weed cheaper than what you can buy on the street. But one does have quite a selection to choose from.
 
2012-07-29 09:35:42 AM  

beer4breakfast: shotglasss: It's hard to tax something that you can grow and consume on your property. If the gubmint can't get their hands in there somewhere to make a buck off of it, they'll bring in the jackboots and just take everything you have.

Growing and harvesting good weed takes time and effort. People typically don't grow their own tobacco even with the high taxes on cigarettes. The people I know who smoke everyday might have a couple of plants growing but most of their consumption is from buying it.


Past friend of mine got a felony conviction for having 5 two-inch-tall seedlings.

"Intent to distribute."
 
2012-07-29 09:35:44 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: what's so special about pot anyway? it never got me laid.


It helps if you are getting high with a member of the opposite sex. Or in your case a member of the same sex since you're obviously closeted.
 
2012-07-29 09:36:48 AM  
I'm sure the cops mentioned the burglary suspects' statements in the warrant application, as well as "she smelled like pot." Just bad reporting. There was plenty of probable cause.

You guys arguing to the contrary are as funny as the dealers who call the cops when their stashes are stolen and then are surprised to be arrested.
 
2012-07-29 09:36:49 AM  

shotglasss: ReapTheChaos: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

It's hard to tax something that you can grow and consume on your property. If the gubmint can't get their hands in there somewhere to make a buck off of it, they'll bring in the jackboots and just take everything you have.

/not a user of anything stronger than aspirin
//not a drinker, either
///just don't care if you want to spend your money that way...just stay off the streets til you sober up.


I know a lot of people who smoke but I don't know anyone who grows tobacco in their back yard. I have had a few friends who made their own beer and wine, but overall most people just buy it from the store. If you could just stop at the local 7-11 and buy a bag of it for a reasonable price, I doubt many people would bother growing their own.
 
2012-07-29 09:37:27 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: ReapTheChaos: Jon iz teh kewl: a single "pot" hit lasts for longer than 3 weeks. therefore during all that time your stoned at work. making you irritable and unfriendly. like most pot smokers.!

Are you always an idiot or do you just play one in the internet?

i've seen pot smokers and all they're consentrated on is breaking the law.
like breaking and entering.
and child rape.

i've seen it happen


Smoking pot leads to two things.

1) Junk food.
2) Carpentry

/there's a reason that the indians smoked "peace pipes"
 
2012-07-29 09:37:55 AM  

Savage Belief: Jon iz teh kewl: what's so special about pot anyway? it never got me laid.

It helps if you are getting high with a member of the opposite sex. Or in your case a member of the same sex since you're obviously closeted.


your saying i need a wing man? lol
 
2012-07-29 09:38:49 AM  

Vertdang: Smoking pot leads to two things.

1) Junk food.
2) Carpentry


Huh. Explains Jesus.
 
2012-07-29 09:39:57 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: ReapTheChaos: Jon iz teh kewl: a single "pot" hit lasts for longer than 3 weeks. therefore during all that time your stoned at work. making you irritable and unfriendly. like most pot smokers.!

Are you always an idiot or do you just play one in the internet?

i've seen pot smokers and all they're consentrated on is breaking the law.
like breaking and entering.
and child rape.

i've seen it happen


Dude, you're on a (t)roll this morning. Good jerb!
 
2012-07-29 09:40:24 AM  

sendtodave: Vertdang: Smoking pot leads to two things.

1) Junk food.
2) Carpentry

Huh. Explains Jesus.


I'm just sayin'
 
2012-07-29 09:42:28 AM  

bmongar: rjakobi: Dude, the Dakotas are so boring, the government should be giving marijuana away to the folks up there.

The Black Hills and Badlands are not boring. I took a vacation through there last year. Beautiful, though it may eventually get boring looking at natures wonders I could have used a few more days of it.


I felt the same way driving from the east coast to the west coast. We planned to stop and look at interesting things; didn't find anything worth stopping for until South Dakota.

At least they haven't arrested the lady - yet. Follow up in six months.
 
2012-07-29 09:42:43 AM  
Thank you, Harry J Anslinger...

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-29 09:43:51 AM  
and heroin of course leads to Wendy's Frosty's
 
2012-07-29 09:44:40 AM  

Mugato: "She smelled like weed" is pretty weak PC for a warrant. A cop could just say anyone smelled like weed. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other.


If only there was some sort of animal with a keen sense of smell that could be trained to signal the presence of narcotics....

With the previlence of usage, merely smelling like marijuanna should not be probable cause. A simple ride on public transport, attending a concert, having an aquaintance that does use may be enough to pick up the scent.

Personally- if I wasn't a user, I'd get it out of the way and invite the officer in for a look see. There's no point wasting time and public moneys delaying the inevitable search over the time it takes to get a warrant, plus a show of goodwill toward the police actually goes a long way.

The whole thing reeks of small time dealers selling t o smalltime users and getting busted out in a small time way by small time officers. A $25 fine and 3 hours of picking up trash in an orange vest should be all thats needed to repair this mess.
 
2012-07-29 09:44:58 AM  
No comments on this?

"The officer spoke to Robin Haider and found two marijuana pipes, a dugout and a digital scale in his possession."

I only know "dugout" as a baseball reference. What is it in this context?
 
2012-07-29 09:46:22 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: and heroin of course leads to Wendy's Frosty's


to be fair, EVERYTHING eventually leads to Wendy's Frostys
 
2012-07-29 09:46:28 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em


And the cops are blightless pillars of the community, pure as the driven snow. Right?
 
2012-07-29 09:47:08 AM  

Pockafrusta: Thank you, Harry J Anslinger...

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 480x360]


Yes but, will it make negro women have sex with white men?
 
2012-07-29 09:47:16 AM  

Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

And the cops are blightless pillars of the community, pure as the driven snow. Right?


yes. you NEVER insult a cop
 
2012-07-29 09:47:45 AM  

PunkRockLawyer: I only know "dugout" as a baseball reference. What is it in this context?


I didn't want to seem "un-hip" and not "with it" by asking myself.
 
2012-07-29 09:50:21 AM  

clowncar on fire: Mugato: "She smelled like weed" is pretty weak PC for a warrant. A cop could just say anyone smelled like weed. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other.

If only there was some sort of animal with a keen sense of smell that could be trained to signal the presence of narcotics....

With the previlence of usage, merely smelling like marijuanna should not be probable cause. A simple ride on public transport, attending a concert, having an aquaintance that does use may be enough to pick up the scent.

Personally- if I wasn't a user, I'd get it out of the way and invite the officer in for a look see. There's no point wasting time and public moneys delaying the inevitable search over the time it takes to get a warrant, plus a show of goodwill toward the police actually goes a long way.

The whole thing reeks of small time dealers selling t o smalltime users and getting busted out in a small time way by small time officers. A $25 fine and 3 hours of picking up trash in an orange vest should be all thats needed to repair this mess.


Exactly, get the police doing something that is actually productive.
 
2012-07-29 09:50:26 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

And the cops are blightless pillars of the community, pure as the driven snow. Right?

yes. you NEVER insult a cop


I didn't say anything about insulting cops, but even you must admit that a good chunk of them only became cops so they could bully people
 
2012-07-29 09:50:43 AM  

clowncar on fire: Mugato: "She smelled like weed" is pretty weak PC for a warrant. A cop could just say anyone smelled like weed. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other.

If only there was some sort of animal with a keen sense of smell that could be trained to signal the presence of narcotics....

With the previlence of usage, merely smelling like marijuanna should not be probable cause. A simple ride on public transport, attending a concert, having an aquaintance that does use may be enough to pick up the scent.

Personally- if I wasn't a user, I'd get it out of the way and invite the officer in for a look see. There's no point wasting time and public moneys delaying the inevitable search over the time it takes to get a warrant, plus a show of goodwill toward the police actually goes a long way.

The whole thing reeks of small time dealers selling t o smalltime users and getting busted out in a small time way by small time officers. A $25 fine and 3 hours of picking up trash in an orange vest should be all thats needed to repair this mess.


Wow, a world where the law enforcement reality is reasonable. You must be stoned.
 
2012-07-29 09:51:21 AM  

PunkRockLawyer: No comments on this?

"The officer spoke to Robin Haider and found two marijuana pipes, a dugout and a digital scale in his possession."

I only know "dugout" as a baseball reference. What is it in this context?


Wasn't sure myself so I Googled it and got this. Link
 
2012-07-29 09:52:34 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: what's so special about pot anyway? it never got me laid.


Obviously nothing has.
 
2012-07-29 09:53:33 AM  

ReapTheChaos: Jon iz teh kewl: a single "pot" hit lasts for longer than 3 weeks. therefore during all that time your stoned at work. making you irritable and unfriendly. like most pot smokers.!

Are you always an idiot or do you just play one in the internet?


Get your sarcasm meter checked this afternoon if you can. Sounds like your detection pre-amp circuitry might have not been properly grounded and is giving off spurious "noise" into the amplifier out/needle drive circuitry.
 
2012-07-29 09:53:55 AM  

Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

And the cops are blightless pillars of the community, pure as the driven snow. Right?

yes. you NEVER insult a cop

I didn't say anything about insulting cops, but even you must admit that a good chunk of them only became cops so they could bully people


they all look pretty American to me..
 
2012-07-29 10:02:23 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em


They can't call the police if someone holds them up and steals their money or merchandise.

They can't sue their customers for non-payment of debt, or their suppliers for non-delivery of product.

They do pay a variety of other taxes, just like everyone else.
 
2012-07-29 10:04:08 AM  

AndreMA: Jon iz teh kewl: guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

They can't call the police if someone holds them up and steals their money or merchandise.

They can't sue their customers for non-payment of debt, or their suppliers for non-delivery of product.

They do pay a variety of other taxes, just like everyone else.


what's the point of marijuana?? to teach vengenance?
 
2012-07-29 10:06:25 AM  

Ficoce: clowncar on fire: Mugato: "She smelled like weed" is pretty weak PC for a warrant. A cop could just say anyone smelled like weed. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other.

If only there was some sort of animal with a keen sense of smell that could be trained to signal the presence of narcotics....

With the previlence of usage, merely smelling like marijuanna should not be probable cause. A simple ride on public transport, attending a concert, having an aquaintance that does use may be enough to pick up the scent.

Personally- if I wasn't a user, I'd get it out of the way and invite the officer in for a look see. There's no point wasting time and public moneys delaying the inevitable search over the time it takes to get a warrant, plus a show of goodwill toward the police actually goes a long way.

The whole thing reeks of small time dealers selling t o smalltime users and getting busted out in a small time way by small time officers. A $25 fine and 3 hours of picking up trash in an orange vest should be all thats needed to repair this mess.

Wow, a world where the law enforcement reality is reasonable. You must be stoned.


I have much more interesting solutions for the cell phone/ driver user that- IMHO-- pose far more of a threat to the community than a bonehead on foot would. Want to subscribe?

In all seriousness, meh issues require meh solutions. We don't need to clog up the legal system with a couple of harmless boneheads even if you do just live in Nowhere, USA. Fine 'em for the officer's time, make 'em pick up trash or give back to the community whom they have inconvenienced. They make a regular habit of this, then you can toss them in the local pokey for a few days.
 
2012-07-29 10:08:58 AM  

Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

And the cops are blightless pillars of the community, pure as the driven snow. Right?

yes. you NEVER insult a cop

I didn't say anything about insulting cops, but even you must admit that a good chunk of them only became cops so they could bully people


You're letting yourself get trolled
 
2012-07-29 10:09:28 AM  
bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com

Yeah, don't blame the dumbass liberal who committed the crime that caused the events.
 
2012-07-29 10:10:42 AM  

pxlboy: Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

And the cops are blightless pillars of the community, pure as the driven snow. Right?

yes. you NEVER insult a cop

I didn't say anything about insulting cops, but even you must admit that a good chunk of them only became cops so they could bully people

You're letting yourself get trolled


Are you this much fun at parties too?
 
2012-07-29 10:12:02 AM  

hbk72777: Yeah, don't blame the dumbass liberal who committed the crime that caused the events.


Well we wouldn't want an entire thread to go by without some douchey comment about "liberals". I was getting worried there for a minute.
 
2012-07-29 10:12:45 AM  

HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.


You might wanna check out the Fully Informed Juror Association.

What you're talking about is called Jury Nullification and it is your right, but don't mention it before the trial... unless you want to get out of jury duty.
 
2012-07-29 10:13:36 AM  

Mugato: hbk72777: Yeah, don't blame the dumbass liberal who committed the crime that caused the events.

Well we wouldn't want an entire thread to go by without some douchey comment about "liberals". I was getting worried there for a minute.


Probably posted by a "liberal plant" - you have only yourselves to blame.
 
2012-07-29 10:14:46 AM  
This thread has gone full retard.
 
2012-07-29 10:16:45 AM  
Sucks to be you living in a retarded red state. The US is stupid enough without living in retarded portion of the retard country.
 
2012-07-29 10:16:55 AM  
images.mccoveychronicles.com
 
2012-07-29 10:24:05 AM  

ReapTheChaos: If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.


Uh huh, based on what your word? Some kindhearted grower is gonna start taking less for the crops? And then the government adds their tax and it's still cheaper huh?
 
2012-07-29 10:24:35 AM  
But wait, there's more! Read the comments from the article.Missing persons, possible fraudulent FaceBook pages, intrigue and corruption.
 
2012-07-29 10:27:44 AM  
I am confused by this article, subby's headline does not help.

According to an affidavit from Detective Loren Grensteiner, Robin Haider told an officer he and his brother were going to get some marijuana from the woman who lives in the apartment. They were hoping she would "front" them the drugs, because they didn't have any money. The woman was not home. Robin Haider told the officer his brother broke a window to get into the apartment, then gave the drug paraphernalia to him. Robin Haider said he couldn't fit a large baggie of marijuana in his pants, so his brother kept that.

his brother kept what? The paraphernalia or the imaginary large bag of pot.
...
Grensteiner's affidavit said she smelled like marijuana, so officers obtained a search warrant for her apartment. She had not been charged as of Wednesday afternoon.

So two guys expected to find drugs in this apartment and the occupant smelled of pot. What is the problem here?
 
2012-07-29 10:28:21 AM  

hbk72777: [bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com image 300x375]

Yeah, don't blame the dumbass liberal who committed the crime that caused the events.


It's funny, the libbiest libtards I know all wear shirts that say "BackWoods Beer Cooler" on them.
 
2012-07-29 10:34:44 AM  
Meanwhile, elsewhere in Bismark

img72.imageshack.us

Well, *hello* District Conservationist Corie Lund

No-till, indeed!
 
2012-07-29 10:36:50 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: AndreMA: Jon iz teh kewl: guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

They can't call the police if someone holds them up and steals their money or merchandise.

They can't sue their customers for non-payment of debt, or their suppliers for non-delivery of product.

They do pay a variety of other taxes, just like everyone else.

what's the point of marijuana?? to teach vengenance?


Like a lot of nice things you can't have.
That Christian god is such a card and he has such devoted sycophants.
Most of whom are puppets of their own devils.

Too much Big Money likes the phoney, profitable War on Drugs and does not appreciate your efforts to undermine their profits.
But, once you do, you can haz the herb.
Like God intended.
 
2012-07-29 10:56:26 AM  
So cops show up and smell drugs, probably cause there are drugs there, obtain a warrant and then conduct a search?

This is completely fine.

Marijuana should be banned. Using it shouldn't be prosecuted and I'm glad almost no one is in prison due to possession of pot along (this is something often lied about for talking points). But it should still be illegal, and those selling it should go to prison for the rest of their lives.
 
2012-07-29 11:07:11 AM  

Arcanum: So cops show up and smell drugs, probably cause there are drugs there, obtain a warrant and then conduct a search?

This is completely fine.

Marijuana should be banned. Using it shouldn't be prosecuted and I'm glad almost no one is in prison due to possession of pot along (this is something often lied about for talking points). But it should still be illegal, and those selling it should go to prison for the rest of their lives.


OK, why?
 
2012-07-29 11:10:39 AM  

Arcanum: So cops show up and smell drugs, probably cause there are drugs there, obtain a warrant and then conduct a search?

This is completely fine.

Marijuana should be banned. Using it shouldn't be prosecuted and I'm glad almost no one is in prison due to possession of pot along (this is something often lied about for talking points). But it should still be illegal, and those selling it should go to prison for the rest of their lives.


Yep, keep those jails filled to capacity so we can keep our funding.
 
2012-07-29 11:15:21 AM  

HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.


They will never let you on the jury. You will get Voir dire'd the hell out of there every time, just like me.
 
2012-07-29 11:24:18 AM  

HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.


.
.
You Sir are a true American.
 
2012-07-29 11:25:00 AM  

david_gaithersburg: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

.
.
You Sir are a true American.


And knowing is half the battle!
 
2012-07-29 11:25:09 AM  

Christian Bale: Meanwhile, elsewhere in Bismark

[img72.imageshack.us image 649x490]

Well, *hello* District Conservationist Corie Lund

No-till, indeed!


Beat me to it!
 
2012-07-29 11:28:23 AM  

ReapTheChaos: bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

Yeah keep your government out of it. Decriminalize under a certain amount, don't claim adding 100% of the cost in tax makes anyone happy.

If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.


Were you trying to say "...........THAN it is currently"?
 
2012-07-29 11:30:36 AM  

Buffet: ReapTheChaos: bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

Yeah keep your government out of it. Decriminalize under a certain amount, don't claim adding 100% of the cost in tax makes anyone happy.

If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.

Were you trying to say "...........THAN it is currently"?


no, he's saying it's cheaper now, then it was b4. thus making it LEGAL cause he can afford it.

what are you high on
 
2012-07-29 11:31:39 AM  
They had cause to believe she broke the law and they obtained the warrant legally. I don't see a problem
 
2012-07-29 11:34:51 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Buffet: ReapTheChaos: bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: So legalize it and tax it. Problem solved, everyone's happy.

Yeah keep your government out of it. Decriminalize under a certain amount, don't claim adding 100% of the cost in tax makes anyone happy.

If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.

Were you trying to say "...........THAN it is currently"?

no, he's saying it's cheaper now, then it was b4. thus making it LEGAL cause he can afford it.

what are you high on


You mean "cheaper now THAN it was before"
 
2012-07-29 11:35:35 AM  

Arcanum: So cops show up and smell drugs, probably cause there are drugs there, obtain a warrant and then conduct a search?

This is completely fine.


Why bother with the warrant at all then?
 
Siz
2012-07-29 11:44:03 AM  

PunkRockLawyer: No comments on this?

"The officer spoke to Robin Haider and found two marijuana pipes, a dugout and a digital scale in his possession."

I only know "dugout" as a baseball reference. What is it in this context?


GFE
 
2012-07-29 11:45:17 AM  

bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.

Uh huh, based on what your word? Some kindhearted grower is gonna start taking less for the crops? And then the government adds their tax and it's still cheaper huh?


Weed wouldn't be cheaper if it was legal. Aside from taxes, government would drive up the cost with all sorts of regulations and conditions. In some places, dispensaries have to be more secure than bank vaults.
 
2012-07-29 11:55:22 AM  
TFA: Robin Haider told the officer his brother broke a window to get into the apartment, then gave the drug paraphernalia to him. Robin Haider said he couldn't fit a large baggie of marijuana in his pants, so his brother kept that.

Subby: Another proud day in the War on Drugs as a woman gets her apartment searched by cops with a warrant because two knuckleheads broke into it hoping to steal and stole some marijuana

Read the article, then fixed that for you.
 
2012-07-29 11:58:11 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i've seen what POT DOES TO PEOPLE *FIRSTHAND*
have *YOU*?

try going to a salvation army
then you'll see.
homeless out of work
just cause of one joint
and or alcohol which is also against Jesus.

[www.fairlawnpd.com image 550x535]


Is that the govt. program that makes its subjects *more* likely to use drugs in later life, not less?

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99564,00.html

/I'm only asking questions.
 
2012-07-29 11:59:12 AM  
Or, subby can read the article and discover that "woman gets the apartment belonging to the roommate she's living with, searched by cops with a warrant"
 
2012-07-29 12:03:52 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Wasn't sure myself so I Googled it and got this. Link


Thanks. TIL.

Siz: GFE


I googled that and got "girl friend experience" with reference to prostitution. What's that got to do with dugouts?

You crazy kids with your newfangled lingo. Back in my day, slang was the bee's knees, daddy-o. Off my lawn.
 
2012-07-29 12:23:38 PM  

Rueened: Jon iz teh kewl: i've seen what POT DOES TO PEOPLE *FIRSTHAND*
have *YOU*?

try going to a salvation army
then you'll see.
homeless out of work
just cause of one joint
and or alcohol which is also against Jesus.

[www.fairlawnpd.com image 550x535]

Is that the govt. program that makes its subjects *more* likely to use drugs in later life, not less?

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99564,00.html

/I'm only asking questions.


yes. of course it's a DARE to use DRUGS see cops can be retards too.
 
2012-07-29 12:46:08 PM  
Jon Haider has not been arrested. A warrant has been issued for his arrest.

What're you gonna do today, Napoleon?

Get arrested, gosh!

external.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2012-07-29 12:52:04 PM  
Where there's smoke, there's fire. This works against normal citizens, but doesn't hold weight when we're discussing crimes against the government, as opposed to against the people.
 
2012-07-29 01:01:31 PM  
"Nice apartment. Would be a shame if someone broke into it looking for drugs."
 
2012-07-29 01:03:12 PM  

twiztedjustin: If you don't want losers breaking in your house, guess what, you don't have to be a dealer that lies on your income tax form every year.


Did I miss the part where they discovered evidence of tax fraud? How do you know she wasn't properly declaring all her income? For that matter, what makes you think that drug dealer make up even a significant proportion of tax fraud?
 
2012-07-29 01:15:46 PM  

Arcanum: I'm glad almost no one is in prison due to possession of pot along (this is something often lied about for talking points).


A couple of tips for next time:

1. As a general rule you shouldn't accuse others of lying with a lie, or if you are going to lie be sure to include a statistic that supports your claim (extra points for a citation)

2. Provide a reason as to why selling drugs is so much more dangerous and beyond rehabilitation compared to, for example, selling stolen property, that it justifies the cost of a lifetime in prison. Statements like that are easier to believe if you provide some point of comparison -- the comparison can be non-sensical, but you need to provide a bridge to take us from the status quo to your concept of reality.
 
2012-07-29 01:15:49 PM  

Pontious Pilates: "Nice apartment. Would be a shame if someone broke into it looking for drugsdrukqs."


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-29 01:48:14 PM  
Every cop is a criminal...

/Mick Jagger
 
2012-07-29 02:24:32 PM  

Descartes: Another proud day in the War on Drugs as a woman gets her apartment searched by cops with a warrant because two knuckleheads broke into it hoping to steal some marijuana


[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


In this case it was as much the judge being a dick as the individual cops being dicks.

/What if the smell came from the losers who came looking for more? What if they'd dropped their own paraphernalia, would she be on the hook for it?
 
2012-07-29 02:33:35 PM  

Jorn the Younger: The American Government is waging a war against its own citizenry.

Can we charge the entire government with treason?


When do I get my Medal oh Honor for fighting in this war you speak of?


I've been in "the service" for 20 years now, and have seen plenty of good men lose their lives, their freedoms, and a few are still MIA.

When do we get honored for fighting for your rights to get high?
 
2012-07-29 03:14:03 PM  

Descartes: Another proud day in the War on Drugs as a woman gets her apartment searched by cops with a warrant because two knuckleheads broke into it hoping to steal some marijuana


[i1.ytimg.com image 480x360]


Yeah, subby's outrage is a wee bit misplaced on this one.

The crooks broke into her apartment because they were there to BUY pot (proving only pot smoking makes you more stupid) and figured since she wasn't there they'd steal her stash. Between her smelling like pot and the guys admittedly being there to buy it, that's enough for a warrant which the cops duly got.

Now, if they'd gone in after the burglars, searched the woman's apartment just because, and found the pot while rifling through her underwear drawer...then I'd be outraged.
 
2012-07-29 03:18:36 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Between her smelling like pot and the guys admittedly being there to buy it, that's enough for a warrant which the cops duly got.


All they had was a couple junkies trying to break into her house and made up some story. The "smelling like pot" thing is total horseshiat any cop could just make up about anyone. They obviously didn't find anything in the house. Why do we even bother with the pretense of a warrant?
 
2012-07-29 03:21:32 PM  

Bob16: Sucks to be you living in a retarded red state. The US is stupid enough without living in retarded portion of the retard country.


Gotta admit the re-election of the Bush camp in 2004 is pretty conclusive evidence that your hypothesis is correct.
 
2012-07-29 03:26:50 PM  

bhcompy: They had cause to believe she broke the law and they obtained the warrant legally. I don't see a problem


The problem is that the law is farking retarded.
 
2012-07-29 03:32:39 PM  

Mugato: All they had was a couple junkies trying to break into her house and made up some story.


The burglar they caught said they had found and stolen some marijuana. That certainly seems to justify the police having a look round the house.
 
2012-07-29 03:39:29 PM  

Mugato: Gyrfalcon: Between her smelling like pot and the guys admittedly being there to buy it, that's enough for a warrant which the cops duly got.

All they had was a couple junkies trying to break into her house and made up some story. The "smelling like pot" thing is total horseshiat any cop could just make up about anyone. They obviously didn't find anything in the house. Why do we even bother with the pretense of a warrant?


Would you be happier if they HADN'T gotten a warrant and just broke in?

I know you're not overjoyed with the state of the justice system, but as I keep trying to explain to people, "probable cause" is a much lower standard than "reasonable doubt." PC is whatever cops can justify on their report, NOT solid evidence. To understand why the standard is so much lower, do this thought experiment: Imagine everything else was the same in this story, but the junkies said they broke in to steal meth. Are you still as comfortable giving this possible dealer a slide? Now imagine everything else is the same but the pot-seeking junkies told the cops they found a body part. Still okay with not getting a warrant?

Yes, the law is bad but it's still the law. And until pot is made legal, cops will have a duty to investigate potential dealers. They don't have the option to not investigate, not when some people right here on Fark blast them for failing to investigate other charges.

Oh, and in re cops making up someone "smelling like pot"--you don't need to make that shiat up. When I took the bar exam last week, at least two people passed me in the crowd smelling like pot. Lots of people smoke it, you know, and it's impossible to hide the stench.
 
2012-07-29 03:43:06 PM  

ZAZ: Grensteiner's affidavit said she smelled like marijuana, so officers obtained a search warrant for her apartment.

Doesn't sound unreasonable if you buy into the war on drugs in general. People were there for pot, she smelled like pot.

The affidavit would not be sufficient where I live. Thanks to decriminalization for under an ounce, the law of Massachusetts says smelling like burnt marijuana is not probable cause but smelling like fresh marijuana is. The officer would need to explain why the amount in question was probably more than an ounce.


Pot is among the least harmful/most beneficial of all mind altering substances and should absolutely not be illegal.

Having said that, the circumstances of this situation could be used to anecdotally define "probable cause". Given the law, there's nothing remotely inappropriate about this search.
 
2012-07-29 03:51:29 PM  

Mugato: ReapTheChaos: Sorry but I don't think what someone "smells" like should be enough for a search warrant. It's one thing if they're operating a vehicle and you use that as a basis for a sobriety test, but a search? No

If a drug dog went apeshiat around a person it would be one thing because you have the supposedly unbiased, incorruptible testimony of the dog (maybe). But if any cop can just tell a judge that any random person "smelled like weed", we might as well skip the paperwork and just have unlimited warrrantless searches. It's the same thing.


I'm as against the war on drugs as any sane person, but it's fairly obvious here that the geniuses fingering her as their dealer was the justification for the warrant. You are, of course, correct that if "I smelled pot" justified a warrant on its own then every lying sack of shiat cop in the country would ransack the home and car of every citizen that looked at them crosseyed. But in this case the smell was just the cherry on top.
 
2012-07-29 03:54:10 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Would you be happier if they HADN'T gotten a warrant and just broke in?


I'd prefer the requirements of probable cause to be such that a warrant would actually mean something and not be some piece of paper a judge rubber stamps simply because it put in front of him. I'd like obtaining a warrant to be something more than an exercise to make us think that they can't just search anyone for any reason.
 
2012-07-29 04:06:35 PM  

notatrollorami: Pot is among the least harmful/most beneficial of all mind altering substances and should absolutely not be illegal.


Do stoners not notice the befuddled fools wandering around, brains fried and life ruined by pot, or are they just too busy going on and on and on and on about their own use, the difficulties of finding supplies and all the other aspects of obsession to notice?

The case for legalisation is string, but weakened by wilful ignorance.
 
2012-07-29 05:00:26 PM  
Unpossible. All marijuana addicts are role model citizens. I learned this on fark.
 
2012-07-29 05:05:10 PM  
Did the cops catch the evil marijuana?
 
2012-07-29 05:10:57 PM  

muck4doo: Did the cops catch the evil marijuana?


yes and they mailed it to me. puff puff passing it right now. whats your address holmes??
 
2012-07-29 05:14:14 PM  
I had a girlfriend who lived in an apartment that apparently belonged to a drug dealer at one time. Several times, people broke in, rummaged around, and left without taking anything. Not even her laptop which was the only thing of any value. The cops assumed people were looking for drugs and leaving disappointed.

Unfortunately, those cops went to the other extreme and stopped responding to calls. "There's someone in my back yard!" "I'm sorry, we don't have anyone available right now. Certainly not one of the half dozen or so cops leaning against their cars at the DUI checkpoint across the street from your location."
 
2012-07-29 05:15:58 PM  

orbister: Do stoners not notice the befuddled fools wandering around, brains fried and life ruined by pot, or are they just too busy going on and on and on and on about their own use, the difficulties of finding supplies and all the other aspects of obsession to notice?


I tried weed 20 years ago and never did it or any other illegal drug again because it wasn't for me (someone gave me shrooms once 10 years ago but that's another story) but I drink like a fish. I guarantee booze is worse in every single way (besides legality) than weed. The smartest, most productive software engineers in my company were stoners. The most creative people at the production house I worked at were stoners.

So support the war for profit on drugs all you want but pick on the hard shiat at least. Meth, crack, heroin, that's the shiat that farks people up for life after just the first hit. Not farking weed.
 
2012-07-29 05:33:05 PM  

muck4doo: Unpossible. All marijuana addicts are role model citizens. I learned this on fark.


There are no marijuana addicts, just people who spend their entire lives worrying about how to get hold of it.
 
2012-07-29 05:35:07 PM  

Mugato: I guarantee booze is worse in every single way (besides legality) than weed. The smartest, most productive software engineers in my company were stoners. The most creative people at the production house I worked at were stoners.


I agree with you about the booze, but saying that it's worse than marijuana is not the same as saying that marijuana is harmless.
 
2012-07-29 05:43:52 PM  

orbister: notatrollorami: Pot is among the least harmful/most beneficial of all mind altering substances and should absolutely not be illegal.

Do stoners not notice the befuddled fools wandering around, brains fried and life ruined by pot, or are they just too busy going on and on and on and on about their own use, the difficulties of finding supplies and all the other aspects of obsession to notice?

The case for legalisation is string, but weakened by wilful ignorance.


I don't know what stoners do outside of the ones I see in movies. I do know that asking the question is like asking "do alcoholics not notice all the child abuse, cirrhosis, car accidents, etc. etc.". If you are of the opinion that people who use marijuana are universally, or even primarily, unmotivated losers whose lives are defined by their drug use then you are woefully misguided. And prohibition of marijuana has caused far, far greater problems than its use ever could.

BTW, I don't know what you're smoking, but I find the case for legalization to be more powerful than string. Hemp rope would be a better analogue, I think. But I could be wrong. I might just be showing my willful ignorance.
 
2012-07-29 05:45:19 PM  

bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.

Uh huh, based on what your word? Some kindhearted grower is gonna start taking less for the crops? And then the government adds their tax and it's still cheaper huh?


No, not my word, common farking sense. With it being legal, there would be no need to go to such drastic measures to grow, ship and sell the product. No government seizing 30-40 percent of your product means less loss of money. No spending thousands of dollars trying to hide a grow operation only to have it and your product seized before you even make a dime off it. With dealers no longer getting busted they're not spending thousands of dollars on legal costs only to pass that on to the customer. I could go on and on about how much money would be saved, thus making it cheaper but I think you get the idea. Like I said, common farking sense.
 
2012-07-29 05:49:59 PM  

orbister: I agree with you about the booze, but saying that it's worse than marijuana is not the same as saying that marijuana is harmless.


Well the question then would be how harmful is it? And does its harmfulness warrant making it illegal to the point of tying up resources and locking people away for it? You could argue that tobacco is harmful. That doesn't mean the state needs to make money by throwing people away for their own good and for profit for the state because of it.
 
2012-07-29 05:57:27 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.

Uh huh, based on what your word? Some kindhearted grower is gonna start taking less for the crops? And then the government adds their tax and it's still cheaper huh?

Weed wouldn't be cheaper if it was legal. Aside from taxes, government would drive up the cost with all sorts of regulations and conditions. In some places, dispensaries have to be more secure than bank vaults.


why? Compare it to cigarettes. There's shiatloads of federal and state taxes on them. A pack of 20 goes for about 5 bucks on average. Now its been 30 years since I've bought pot, but I'm pretty sure it's more expensive than that these days. As far as regulations, why would it need to be any more regulated than the tobacco or alcohol industries?
 
2012-07-29 06:29:35 PM  

Mugato: Gyrfalcon: Would you be happier if they HADN'T gotten a warrant and just broke in?

I'd prefer the requirements of probable cause to be such that a warrant would actually mean something and not be some piece of paper a judge rubber stamps simply because it put in front of him. I'd like obtaining a warrant to be something more than an exercise to make us think that they can't just search anyone for any reason.


So blame the requirements, not the law or the cops. Probable cause, as it stands, is anything that can be justified in a written report. Also blame your Constitution: "no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

What MORE would you like except that the cops be able to say: These two known addicts admitted they broke into this woman's house to look for drugs she said were in there; and when we stopped her she smelled like marijuana; so we respectfully request a warrant to search her home for said marijuana."? Seriously, because you're a serious person: What MORE do you want to be done to search a home for evidence?
 
2012-07-29 06:59:49 PM  

Mugato: "She smelled like weed" is pretty weak PC for a warrant. A cop could just say anyone smelled like weed. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other.


nopunchline.files.wordpress.com

"It's this one here.... this one smells of wee...."

/oh, you said "weed"....
 
2012-07-29 10:11:42 PM  
The cop car IS, the marijuana.
 
2012-07-30 12:33:19 AM  

Alphakronik: Jorn the Younger: The American Government is waging a war against its own citizenry.

Can we charge the entire government with treason?

When do I get my Medal oh Honor for fighting in this war you speak of?


I've been in "the service" for 20 years now, and have seen plenty of good men lose their lives, their freedoms, and a few are still MIA.

When do we get honored for fighting for your rights to get high?


Wait, I'm confused. You're saying you wand a Medal of Honor, indicating you are fighting on the side of the US Government, but you then say you're fighting for my/our right to get high?

If you're looking for a medal from the civilian side of it, you'd need to contact whatever hierarchy exists amongst the insurgency that you're in contact with, I can't really help you there. Just because it's a war doesn't mean it's between two armies. The assorted police and government agencies are effectively an occupying military force (and you can see this in the way Police act towards regular citizens), that makes the rest of us an occupied population, not an opposing army.
 
2012-07-30 02:55:42 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

And the cops are blightless pillars of the community, pure as the driven snow. Right?

yes. you NEVER insult a cop


Whew. I sure got lucky there. Around these here parts we don't have cops. Only pigs.
 
2012-07-30 06:44:11 AM  

FauxReal: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

You might wanna check out the Fully Informed Juror Association.

What you're talking about is called Jury Nullification and it is your right, but don't mention it before the trial... unless you want to get out of jury duty.


Thanks for the info. I knew it was possible, but now I feel a little better about really doing it. I'm quite serious about it. Unless somebody literally ripped a marijuana plant out of the ground and beat an old lady with it, they will go home happy. As will I. Wish me luck.
 
2012-07-30 06:52:02 AM  

notatrollorami: If you are of the opinion that people who use marijuana are universally, or even primarily, unmotivated losers whose lives are defined by their drug use then you are woefully misguided.


Luckily I am not of that opinion. However, claiming that no marijuana users are like that is as daft as claiming that no alcohol users are like that. If marijuana were ever to be legalised there would certainly need to be social action to deal with the consequences of increased use, as the Dutch have discovered.
 
2012-07-30 09:06:12 AM  

generallyso: ZAZ: Doesn't sound unreasonable if you buy into the war on drugs in general. People were there for pot, she smelled like pot.

Except there's no actual evidence being presented, no way to disprove the accusation and no consequence for finding no drugs. It's a fishing expedition.


Yes there is. The evidence presented is that two people were willing to risk a criminal charge to steal illegal contraband from a house. Does that make it more likely than not that it is there? I think it does. Apparently, the judge agrees.
 
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