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(Bismarck Tribune)   Another proud day in the War on Drugs as a woman gets her apartment searched by cops with a warrant because two knuckleheads broke into it hoping to steal some marijuana   (bismarcktribune.com) divider line 140
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2012-07-29 12:03:52 PM

ReapTheChaos: Wasn't sure myself so I Googled it and got this. Link


Thanks. TIL.

Siz: GFE


I googled that and got "girl friend experience" with reference to prostitution. What's that got to do with dugouts?

You crazy kids with your newfangled lingo. Back in my day, slang was the bee's knees, daddy-o. Off my lawn.
 
2012-07-29 12:23:38 PM

Rueened: Jon iz teh kewl: i've seen what POT DOES TO PEOPLE *FIRSTHAND*
have *YOU*?

try going to a salvation army
then you'll see.
homeless out of work
just cause of one joint
and or alcohol which is also against Jesus.

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Is that the govt. program that makes its subjects *more* likely to use drugs in later life, not less?

www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,99564,00.html

/I'm only asking questions.


yes. of course it's a DARE to use DRUGS see cops can be retards too.
 
2012-07-29 12:46:08 PM
Jon Haider has not been arrested. A warrant has been issued for his arrest.

What're you gonna do today, Napoleon?

Get arrested, gosh!

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2012-07-29 12:52:04 PM
Where there's smoke, there's fire. This works against normal citizens, but doesn't hold weight when we're discussing crimes against the government, as opposed to against the people.
 
2012-07-29 01:01:31 PM
"Nice apartment. Would be a shame if someone broke into it looking for drugs."
 
2012-07-29 01:03:12 PM

twiztedjustin: If you don't want losers breaking in your house, guess what, you don't have to be a dealer that lies on your income tax form every year.


Did I miss the part where they discovered evidence of tax fraud? How do you know she wasn't properly declaring all her income? For that matter, what makes you think that drug dealer make up even a significant proportion of tax fraud?
 
2012-07-29 01:15:46 PM

Arcanum: I'm glad almost no one is in prison due to possession of pot along (this is something often lied about for talking points).


A couple of tips for next time:

1. As a general rule you shouldn't accuse others of lying with a lie, or if you are going to lie be sure to include a statistic that supports your claim (extra points for a citation)

2. Provide a reason as to why selling drugs is so much more dangerous and beyond rehabilitation compared to, for example, selling stolen property, that it justifies the cost of a lifetime in prison. Statements like that are easier to believe if you provide some point of comparison -- the comparison can be non-sensical, but you need to provide a bridge to take us from the status quo to your concept of reality.
 
2012-07-29 01:15:49 PM

Pontious Pilates: "Nice apartment. Would be a shame if someone broke into it looking for drugsdrukqs."


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2012-07-29 01:48:14 PM
Every cop is a criminal...

/Mick Jagger
 
2012-07-29 02:24:32 PM

Descartes: Another proud day in the War on Drugs as a woman gets her apartment searched by cops with a warrant because two knuckleheads broke into it hoping to steal some marijuana


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In this case it was as much the judge being a dick as the individual cops being dicks.

/What if the smell came from the losers who came looking for more? What if they'd dropped their own paraphernalia, would she be on the hook for it?
 
2012-07-29 02:33:35 PM

Jorn the Younger: The American Government is waging a war against its own citizenry.

Can we charge the entire government with treason?


When do I get my Medal oh Honor for fighting in this war you speak of?


I've been in "the service" for 20 years now, and have seen plenty of good men lose their lives, their freedoms, and a few are still MIA.

When do we get honored for fighting for your rights to get high?
 
2012-07-29 03:14:03 PM

Descartes: Another proud day in the War on Drugs as a woman gets her apartment searched by cops with a warrant because two knuckleheads broke into it hoping to steal some marijuana


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Yeah, subby's outrage is a wee bit misplaced on this one.

The crooks broke into her apartment because they were there to BUY pot (proving only pot smoking makes you more stupid) and figured since she wasn't there they'd steal her stash. Between her smelling like pot and the guys admittedly being there to buy it, that's enough for a warrant which the cops duly got.

Now, if they'd gone in after the burglars, searched the woman's apartment just because, and found the pot while rifling through her underwear drawer...then I'd be outraged.
 
2012-07-29 03:18:36 PM

Gyrfalcon: Between her smelling like pot and the guys admittedly being there to buy it, that's enough for a warrant which the cops duly got.


All they had was a couple junkies trying to break into her house and made up some story. The "smelling like pot" thing is total horseshiat any cop could just make up about anyone. They obviously didn't find anything in the house. Why do we even bother with the pretense of a warrant?
 
2012-07-29 03:21:32 PM

Bob16: Sucks to be you living in a retarded red state. The US is stupid enough without living in retarded portion of the retard country.


Gotta admit the re-election of the Bush camp in 2004 is pretty conclusive evidence that your hypothesis is correct.
 
2012-07-29 03:26:50 PM

bhcompy: They had cause to believe she broke the law and they obtained the warrant legally. I don't see a problem


The problem is that the law is farking retarded.
 
2012-07-29 03:32:39 PM

Mugato: All they had was a couple junkies trying to break into her house and made up some story.


The burglar they caught said they had found and stolen some marijuana. That certainly seems to justify the police having a look round the house.
 
2012-07-29 03:39:29 PM

Mugato: Gyrfalcon: Between her smelling like pot and the guys admittedly being there to buy it, that's enough for a warrant which the cops duly got.

All they had was a couple junkies trying to break into her house and made up some story. The "smelling like pot" thing is total horseshiat any cop could just make up about anyone. They obviously didn't find anything in the house. Why do we even bother with the pretense of a warrant?


Would you be happier if they HADN'T gotten a warrant and just broke in?

I know you're not overjoyed with the state of the justice system, but as I keep trying to explain to people, "probable cause" is a much lower standard than "reasonable doubt." PC is whatever cops can justify on their report, NOT solid evidence. To understand why the standard is so much lower, do this thought experiment: Imagine everything else was the same in this story, but the junkies said they broke in to steal meth. Are you still as comfortable giving this possible dealer a slide? Now imagine everything else is the same but the pot-seeking junkies told the cops they found a body part. Still okay with not getting a warrant?

Yes, the law is bad but it's still the law. And until pot is made legal, cops will have a duty to investigate potential dealers. They don't have the option to not investigate, not when some people right here on Fark blast them for failing to investigate other charges.

Oh, and in re cops making up someone "smelling like pot"--you don't need to make that shiat up. When I took the bar exam last week, at least two people passed me in the crowd smelling like pot. Lots of people smoke it, you know, and it's impossible to hide the stench.
 
2012-07-29 03:43:06 PM

ZAZ: Grensteiner's affidavit said she smelled like marijuana, so officers obtained a search warrant for her apartment.

Doesn't sound unreasonable if you buy into the war on drugs in general. People were there for pot, she smelled like pot.

The affidavit would not be sufficient where I live. Thanks to decriminalization for under an ounce, the law of Massachusetts says smelling like burnt marijuana is not probable cause but smelling like fresh marijuana is. The officer would need to explain why the amount in question was probably more than an ounce.


Pot is among the least harmful/most beneficial of all mind altering substances and should absolutely not be illegal.

Having said that, the circumstances of this situation could be used to anecdotally define "probable cause". Given the law, there's nothing remotely inappropriate about this search.
 
2012-07-29 03:51:29 PM

Mugato: ReapTheChaos: Sorry but I don't think what someone "smells" like should be enough for a search warrant. It's one thing if they're operating a vehicle and you use that as a basis for a sobriety test, but a search? No

If a drug dog went apeshiat around a person it would be one thing because you have the supposedly unbiased, incorruptible testimony of the dog (maybe). But if any cop can just tell a judge that any random person "smelled like weed", we might as well skip the paperwork and just have unlimited warrrantless searches. It's the same thing.


I'm as against the war on drugs as any sane person, but it's fairly obvious here that the geniuses fingering her as their dealer was the justification for the warrant. You are, of course, correct that if "I smelled pot" justified a warrant on its own then every lying sack of shiat cop in the country would ransack the home and car of every citizen that looked at them crosseyed. But in this case the smell was just the cherry on top.
 
2012-07-29 03:54:10 PM

Gyrfalcon: Would you be happier if they HADN'T gotten a warrant and just broke in?


I'd prefer the requirements of probable cause to be such that a warrant would actually mean something and not be some piece of paper a judge rubber stamps simply because it put in front of him. I'd like obtaining a warrant to be something more than an exercise to make us think that they can't just search anyone for any reason.
 
2012-07-29 04:06:35 PM

notatrollorami: Pot is among the least harmful/most beneficial of all mind altering substances and should absolutely not be illegal.


Do stoners not notice the befuddled fools wandering around, brains fried and life ruined by pot, or are they just too busy going on and on and on and on about their own use, the difficulties of finding supplies and all the other aspects of obsession to notice?

The case for legalisation is string, but weakened by wilful ignorance.
 
2012-07-29 05:00:26 PM
Unpossible. All marijuana addicts are role model citizens. I learned this on fark.
 
2012-07-29 05:05:10 PM
Did the cops catch the evil marijuana?
 
2012-07-29 05:10:57 PM

muck4doo: Did the cops catch the evil marijuana?


yes and they mailed it to me. puff puff passing it right now. whats your address holmes??
 
2012-07-29 05:14:14 PM
I had a girlfriend who lived in an apartment that apparently belonged to a drug dealer at one time. Several times, people broke in, rummaged around, and left without taking anything. Not even her laptop which was the only thing of any value. The cops assumed people were looking for drugs and leaving disappointed.

Unfortunately, those cops went to the other extreme and stopped responding to calls. "There's someone in my back yard!" "I'm sorry, we don't have anyone available right now. Certainly not one of the half dozen or so cops leaning against their cars at the DUI checkpoint across the street from your location."
 
2012-07-29 05:15:58 PM

orbister: Do stoners not notice the befuddled fools wandering around, brains fried and life ruined by pot, or are they just too busy going on and on and on and on about their own use, the difficulties of finding supplies and all the other aspects of obsession to notice?


I tried weed 20 years ago and never did it or any other illegal drug again because it wasn't for me (someone gave me shrooms once 10 years ago but that's another story) but I drink like a fish. I guarantee booze is worse in every single way (besides legality) than weed. The smartest, most productive software engineers in my company were stoners. The most creative people at the production house I worked at were stoners.

So support the war for profit on drugs all you want but pick on the hard shiat at least. Meth, crack, heroin, that's the shiat that farks people up for life after just the first hit. Not farking weed.
 
2012-07-29 05:33:05 PM

muck4doo: Unpossible. All marijuana addicts are role model citizens. I learned this on fark.


There are no marijuana addicts, just people who spend their entire lives worrying about how to get hold of it.
 
2012-07-29 05:35:07 PM

Mugato: I guarantee booze is worse in every single way (besides legality) than weed. The smartest, most productive software engineers in my company were stoners. The most creative people at the production house I worked at were stoners.


I agree with you about the booze, but saying that it's worse than marijuana is not the same as saying that marijuana is harmless.
 
2012-07-29 05:43:52 PM

orbister: notatrollorami: Pot is among the least harmful/most beneficial of all mind altering substances and should absolutely not be illegal.

Do stoners not notice the befuddled fools wandering around, brains fried and life ruined by pot, or are they just too busy going on and on and on and on about their own use, the difficulties of finding supplies and all the other aspects of obsession to notice?

The case for legalisation is string, but weakened by wilful ignorance.


I don't know what stoners do outside of the ones I see in movies. I do know that asking the question is like asking "do alcoholics not notice all the child abuse, cirrhosis, car accidents, etc. etc.". If you are of the opinion that people who use marijuana are universally, or even primarily, unmotivated losers whose lives are defined by their drug use then you are woefully misguided. And prohibition of marijuana has caused far, far greater problems than its use ever could.

BTW, I don't know what you're smoking, but I find the case for legalization to be more powerful than string. Hemp rope would be a better analogue, I think. But I could be wrong. I might just be showing my willful ignorance.
 
2012-07-29 05:45:19 PM

bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.

Uh huh, based on what your word? Some kindhearted grower is gonna start taking less for the crops? And then the government adds their tax and it's still cheaper huh?


No, not my word, common farking sense. With it being legal, there would be no need to go to such drastic measures to grow, ship and sell the product. No government seizing 30-40 percent of your product means less loss of money. No spending thousands of dollars trying to hide a grow operation only to have it and your product seized before you even make a dime off it. With dealers no longer getting busted they're not spending thousands of dollars on legal costs only to pass that on to the customer. I could go on and on about how much money would be saved, thus making it cheaper but I think you get the idea. Like I said, common farking sense.
 
2012-07-29 05:49:59 PM

orbister: I agree with you about the booze, but saying that it's worse than marijuana is not the same as saying that marijuana is harmless.


Well the question then would be how harmful is it? And does its harmfulness warrant making it illegal to the point of tying up resources and locking people away for it? You could argue that tobacco is harmful. That doesn't mean the state needs to make money by throwing people away for their own good and for profit for the state because of it.
 
2012-07-29 05:57:27 PM

BarkingUnicorn: bel4sucks: ReapTheChaos: If it were legalized it would be cheaper, even after the tax, then it is currently.

Uh huh, based on what your word? Some kindhearted grower is gonna start taking less for the crops? And then the government adds their tax and it's still cheaper huh?

Weed wouldn't be cheaper if it was legal. Aside from taxes, government would drive up the cost with all sorts of regulations and conditions. In some places, dispensaries have to be more secure than bank vaults.


why? Compare it to cigarettes. There's shiatloads of federal and state taxes on them. A pack of 20 goes for about 5 bucks on average. Now its been 30 years since I've bought pot, but I'm pretty sure it's more expensive than that these days. As far as regulations, why would it need to be any more regulated than the tobacco or alcohol industries?
 
2012-07-29 06:29:35 PM

Mugato: Gyrfalcon: Would you be happier if they HADN'T gotten a warrant and just broke in?

I'd prefer the requirements of probable cause to be such that a warrant would actually mean something and not be some piece of paper a judge rubber stamps simply because it put in front of him. I'd like obtaining a warrant to be something more than an exercise to make us think that they can't just search anyone for any reason.


So blame the requirements, not the law or the cops. Probable cause, as it stands, is anything that can be justified in a written report. Also blame your Constitution: "no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

What MORE would you like except that the cops be able to say: These two known addicts admitted they broke into this woman's house to look for drugs she said were in there; and when we stopped her she smelled like marijuana; so we respectfully request a warrant to search her home for said marijuana."? Seriously, because you're a serious person: What MORE do you want to be done to search a home for evidence?
 
2012-07-29 06:59:49 PM

Mugato: "She smelled like weed" is pretty weak PC for a warrant. A cop could just say anyone smelled like weed. There's really no way to prove it one way or the other.


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"It's this one here.... this one smells of wee...."

/oh, you said "weed"....
 
2012-07-29 10:11:42 PM
The cop car IS, the marijuana.
 
2012-07-30 12:33:19 AM

Alphakronik: Jorn the Younger: The American Government is waging a war against its own citizenry.

Can we charge the entire government with treason?

When do I get my Medal oh Honor for fighting in this war you speak of?


I've been in "the service" for 20 years now, and have seen plenty of good men lose their lives, their freedoms, and a few are still MIA.

When do we get honored for fighting for your rights to get high?


Wait, I'm confused. You're saying you wand a Medal of Honor, indicating you are fighting on the side of the US Government, but you then say you're fighting for my/our right to get high?

If you're looking for a medal from the civilian side of it, you'd need to contact whatever hierarchy exists amongst the insurgency that you're in contact with, I can't really help you there. Just because it's a war doesn't mean it's between two armies. The assorted police and government agencies are effectively an occupying military force (and you can see this in the way Police act towards regular citizens), that makes the rest of us an occupied population, not an opposing army.
 
2012-07-30 02:55:42 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Trance750: Jon iz teh kewl: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

guess what drug DEALERS are profitting from this shiat and not paying taxes. they are STEALING from the government. and not contributing to my unemployment compsensation. fark em

And the cops are blightless pillars of the community, pure as the driven snow. Right?

yes. you NEVER insult a cop


Whew. I sure got lucky there. Around these here parts we don't have cops. Only pigs.
 
2012-07-30 06:44:11 AM

FauxReal: HectorSchwartz: Cops are so full of shiat. I have jury duty this week and I hope to God that I get the chance to let somebody off of a drug charge. I don't care how guilty they are.

You might wanna check out the Fully Informed Juror Association.

What you're talking about is called Jury Nullification and it is your right, but don't mention it before the trial... unless you want to get out of jury duty.


Thanks for the info. I knew it was possible, but now I feel a little better about really doing it. I'm quite serious about it. Unless somebody literally ripped a marijuana plant out of the ground and beat an old lady with it, they will go home happy. As will I. Wish me luck.
 
2012-07-30 06:52:02 AM

notatrollorami: If you are of the opinion that people who use marijuana are universally, or even primarily, unmotivated losers whose lives are defined by their drug use then you are woefully misguided.


Luckily I am not of that opinion. However, claiming that no marijuana users are like that is as daft as claiming that no alcohol users are like that. If marijuana were ever to be legalised there would certainly need to be social action to deal with the consequences of increased use, as the Dutch have discovered.
 
2012-07-30 09:06:12 AM

generallyso: ZAZ: Doesn't sound unreasonable if you buy into the war on drugs in general. People were there for pot, she smelled like pot.

Except there's no actual evidence being presented, no way to disprove the accusation and no consequence for finding no drugs. It's a fishing expedition.


Yes there is. The evidence presented is that two people were willing to risk a criminal charge to steal illegal contraband from a house. Does that make it more likely than not that it is there? I think it does. Apparently, the judge agrees.
 
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