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2012-07-29 04:51:19 PM
3 votes:

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.
2012-07-29 12:59:10 PM
3 votes:
FFS, just let ST die.
2012-07-29 04:46:07 PM
2 votes:

Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.


If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?
2012-07-29 04:14:30 PM
2 votes:

mark12A: Roddenberry gets around some of the more difficult aspects of Marxism with a device unavailable in our time: extreme plenty. Current markets are based on supply and demand. Roddenberry's Federation enjoys an overabundance of supply and unusually efficient delivery for most commodities, so it experiences considerably less demand, in ratio, than any known society to date. Humans don't have to work to meet even most of their luxury 'needs,' but still have the human need for purpose, so they've turned to self-improvement and learning as primary occupations.

That sounds quite plausible. Now if we could find some way to explain how the control freaks in power are restrained from micromanaging people's lives, and imposing their beliefs on others, we could have ourselves a complete explanation....


Emotional maturity as a species? Universal, high quality education that kept people from clinging to crap that made them feel better about themselves, and taught a value system of trying to improve everyone's life not just your own?

The entire point of Star Trek was to show what the human race could look like if we got over that crap.
2012-07-29 01:10:55 PM
2 votes:
I would like to see a show that's after Enterprise but well before Tos. Could explore an early first first attempt at a mixed races ship
2012-07-29 12:03:03 PM
2 votes:

PsyLord: How about killing a main character every so often.


Like Tasha Yar?
2012-07-29 12:02:42 PM
2 votes:
As long as they have DS9 style story arcs, minimize the use of time travel, and set it in a post Voyager era.
2012-07-29 11:59:56 AM
2 votes:
How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.
2012-07-29 09:31:01 AM
2 votes:
And Roberto Orci said that talks about a new Star Trek TV show are "almost real."

God, who did this Orci character blow to keep getting work? He's everywhere and he sucks.
2012-07-30 08:18:07 PM
1 votes:

way south: Star Trek was always occasionally written by actual Sci-Fi writers.


They brought in a few high-profile SF writers from time to time, but most of the shows were ground out by the usual stable of screenwriters, who were not SF authors in their own right. Roddenberry consulted a few others, like Asimov, on general conceptual things for the show.

By all accounts, it rarely worked out well. Prima donna SF pulp authors have a tendency to write unfilmable scripts, and then get pissy when the production crew adapts them into something that makes the slightest damn bit of sense on the screen. (Harlan Ellison and "City on the Edge of Forever" is the go-to example here.)
2012-07-30 10:21:34 AM
1 votes:

Vaneshi: Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I?

Of course you can, which planet in which star system would you like to put your vineyard on Sir? Perhaps you could try the underwater cities on Earth as well for giggles.


And then next thing you know, the Federation sells your colony out and gives it away to the Cardassians.
2012-07-29 10:36:37 PM
1 votes:
I wouldn't mins seeing a series based on the Starfleet Corps of Engineers, building ships, developing new technologies, and reverse-engineering found alien technologies.

There could be lots of Eureka type incidents. It would be kind of cool getting to know extinct races who left behind advanced technology.
2012-07-29 08:31:12 PM
1 votes:
Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

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2012-07-29 07:41:02 PM
1 votes:

Actual Farking: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).

Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.


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2012-07-29 06:33:47 PM
1 votes:

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?



skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.


If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

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2012-07-29 05:26:25 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I? I surely can't somehow earn enough money to buy his from him. So I'm farked. Wine drinking motherfarker, that's why I set his vineyard on fire and killed his family.

It just never made any sense and it's no use writing papers about it like someone up there said someone did. because the writers didn't put that much thought into it.


So learn the ropes at Picard's vineyard then settle on an m-class planet/moon and start your own.
2012-07-29 04:40:35 PM
1 votes:

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: There have been many lengthy essays and many lengthy and heated discussions about this question. My own sense is that Roddenberry never admitted it, but the Federation is essentially communist [...] there are no menial jobs, unless you happen to desire one for ...


I completely agree with you that it seems reasonable that Roddenberry was suggesting a kind of post-scarcity communism but backed off from spelling that out - quite wisely, I think - it's the future, it doesn't necessarily require 20th century definitions.

Roddenberry's Federation is liberal, rather than authoritarian (libertarian-left, so not like Soviet communism) so we see citizens are able to pursue a life as a trader, actor or anything else they so desire quite freely, and the freedom from limited resources has enabled art, discovery and the pursuit of knowledge to take over as mankind's driving force. It's such an overwhelmingly positive idea, the unseemly communist-like nature of it never seemed to troubled anyone. Although, saying that, were there any protests about Star Trek when it first aired from people worried that, if you scratched the surface, it was promoting communism?

Of course, there is an episode of TOS where Kirk tells Scotty he's "earned his pay for the week," and some people say this shows they do have money, but I think it's more likely it was just Kirk using a common phrase that's stuck; like we still use 'rule of thumb' even though nowadays it's not in the context of beating your wife. Not that this precludes the use of money; I don't see why money couldn't still exist in a post-scarcity society.

But overall sometimes you need to bend the rules to make a plot or a point work, and what with the number of different writers involved as well, it's really a fools task to assemble anything more than generalisations from various shows or throwaway lines.
2012-07-29 03:50:01 PM
1 votes:

Mister Peejay: wildcardjack: I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.

Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated.


There have been many lengthy essays and many lengthy and heated discussions about this question. My own sense is that Roddenberry never admitted it, but the Federation is essentially communist, in a rather pure form, probably arrived at accidentally. Though communism has not been proven stable above tribe scale on our world, Roddenberry gets around some of the more difficult aspects of Marxism with a device unavailable in our time: extreme plenty. Current markets are based on supply and demand. Roddenberry's Federation enjoys an overabundance of supply and unusually efficient delivery for most commodities, so it experiences considerably less demand, in ratio, than any known society to date. Humans don't have to work to meet even most of their luxury 'needs,' but still have the human need for purpose, so they've turned to self-improvement and learning as primary occupations.

Federation citizens do seem to engage in some straight commerce, but it's never made clear how this works. (I will say that Federation citizens don't seem to value money very much.) Of course, the most consistent thing about Star Trek being its inconsistency, this is most likely just someone's oversight: there probably is no overriding writers bible discussion of Federation economics. But over the years, there have been sufficient clues to suggest the above, at least to me. I don't recall anyone's 'pay grade' being mentioned in all these years, which suggests to me that there are no pay grades, and no pay -- Federation citizens don't 'need' very much that they can't supply themselves, and because everyone has most of what they need, and a great abundance of most necessities, no one in the Federation ever considers the 'cost' of obtaining and delivering even limited resources such as dilithium crystals. Prestige, honour, and the experience itself are reward enough. You also never see the 23rd+ Century equivalent of modern-day swabbies: there are no menial jobs, unless you happen to desire one for whatever reason, or for those being disciplined by superiors. People work because they want to, because it feels good to be doing something, even if you don't really need to do it.

Well, that's my starry-eyed, children's-book take on it, anyway.
2012-07-29 03:33:57 PM
1 votes:
Let's use the star trek theme song this time. That horrific abortion Enterprise called a theme song kept me off that show until years after it was canceled.
2012-07-29 03:21:45 PM
1 votes:
Also missing from the list, continuity.
2012-07-29 03:18:03 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.

They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.


They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.

As far as mining the incredible amount of books for source material, I know it'd never happen, but there was a pretty good series based on the mirror universe of TOS, Enterprise and DS9. Pretty dark and savage.
2012-07-29 02:39:09 PM
1 votes:

Mister Peejay: It's hinted that DNA diddling is forbidden, to the point that the very concept is repulsive.


More than hinted. DS9 had a recurring plot about Bashir concerning his genetic manipulation.
2012-07-29 02:25:24 PM
1 votes:

Peach_Fuz: Dominion vs Borg would be interesting.


No it wouldn't.
2012-07-29 02:23:15 PM
1 votes:

Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.


Don't forget modifying the deflector dish to attack some time-traveling Borg after someone gets stuck in the holodeck.

Oh, nevermind, that was half of First Contact.
2012-07-29 02:15:27 PM
1 votes:

DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.


They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.
2012-07-29 02:10:47 PM
1 votes:
Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor? You'd figure that would be something important for security personnel.
2012-07-29 02:07:47 PM
1 votes:
I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.
2012-07-29 02:04:06 PM
1 votes:
Screw the Abrams time line.

I'd like to see something set in the "real" / TNG expanded universe, maybe something 10-25 years past the end of DS9/Voyager. Time enough for universe/story line changes, close enough for guest stars and being able to use old story lines.
2012-07-29 01:56:32 PM
1 votes:

tomWright: I do think that making them into a series for TV would be difficult, just to avoid the inevitable moralizing that screenwriters, directors and actors would feel compelled to inject, beyond what is implied in the setting of the stories. They might make better individual series with defined arcs but it would be difficult for TV executives to resist milking them beyond the end of the story.


They would be well-served using the BBC formula of "long miniseries" with an arc and formal resolution than the US formula of "running it until it crashes and burns".

tomWright: The fact you have me as a 'denier' says more about you, and the political environment of the past decade or so, than me. Though It may also have something to say about how poorly I communicate. I am a skeptic, about everything. Especially things that have politics or religion wrapped up in them. (What was that South Park episode again...).


Religion? LOL. Politics, sure. At any rate, you're no Warm Magma Squirter, so no worries.
2012-07-29 01:51:06 PM
1 votes:
Q.
2012-07-29 01:37:37 PM
1 votes:
A new Star Trek needs to look forward, not backward. It can't be about rekindling nostalgia for past Star Trek. I have doubts that anybody put in charge of Star Trek would be willing or able to change it as radically as Roddenberry did between TOS and TNG. They're going to be paralyzed by what Star Trek is expected to consist of. The real question should be what did Star Trek DO to audiences 25-50 years ago, and what will do that do today's audience? The proper form will follow the function.
2012-07-29 12:53:41 PM
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BolloxReader: NeoCortex42: I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

So, always be the abandoned hulk that the flagship is called to investigate?

/all our shirts are red, why do you ask?


Or just have it be the ship that goes to follow up in the wake of all the cultural damage Kirk causes. Have more long-term plots instead of "new discovery that's not mentioned the following week".
2012-07-29 12:45:49 PM
1 votes:
No More Tachyons to be be the cause of and solution to half the problems that are encountered.
2012-07-29 12:41:06 PM
1 votes:

GAT_00: The Internet worries me some times.


Only some times?
2012-07-29 12:23:52 PM
1 votes:

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species


So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.
2012-07-29 12:20:20 PM
1 votes:
Star Trek was always written by actual Sci-Fi writers.

/They just weren't any good at it.
2012-07-29 12:18:29 PM
1 votes:

awfulperson: I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.


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2012-07-29 12:12:43 PM
1 votes:

tomWright: Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.


You remind me of the comic book fans wondering why the companies keep doing all these Avengers related movies when they could be doing a Forbush Man vs. Paste Pot Pete movie instead.
2012-07-29 11:55:23 AM
1 votes:

Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.


Thanks for stating the obvious, Troi
2012-07-29 11:48:59 AM
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The Internet worries me some times.




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2012-07-29 11:36:55 AM
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2012-07-29 10:33:01 AM
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GAT_00: TOS: 79 episodes


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...about thirty good ones

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2012-07-29 10:06:06 AM
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I really doubt they're going to pay attention to the expanded universe with a new show. The number of people who would be pissed about the EU being violated has to be minuscule and even they'll still watch it.

Hell the last movie violated canon and it was a huge hit.

/yeah, yeah alternate time line. bullshiat.
 
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