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(io9)   10 things fans should expect from a new Star Trek TV series. Missing from list: skimpily dressed alien chicks or GTFO   (io9.com) divider line 205
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2012-07-29 07:45:06 AM
#11:

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2012-07-29 08:50:45 AM

FirstNationalBastard: #11:

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Hay, old enough to go to the replicator....
 
2012-07-29 09:31:01 AM
And Roberto Orci said that talks about a new Star Trek TV show are "almost real."

God, who did this Orci character blow to keep getting work? He's everywhere and he sucks.
 
2012-07-29 09:54:18 AM
1. See if it is possible to write a Season 1 that doesn't suck
2. The reason they went back is because the books have pretty well fleshed out a good chunk of time after 2400. That makes going into the future hard. Either you've got to incorporate all of them, and correctly, or you overwrite everything. Either way you're going to piss off the die-hards that read them. And no, I'm not one of them, but I've read through a synopsis of a few of them and the books seem pretty strange. So good luck with that. Also, the future quickly gets boring. You've got to keep coming up with bigger and bigger enemies and problems because everything else gets solved. ST never really explores the societal effects of technology, so you could probably have fun with that. It just wouldn't be Star Trek really.

FirstNationalBastard: #11:

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2012-07-29 10:02:07 AM

GAT_00: 1. See if it is possible to write a Season 1 that doesn't suck
2. The reason they went back is because the books have pretty well fleshed out a good chunk of time after 2400. That makes going into the future hard. Either you've got to incorporate all of them, and correctly, or you overwrite everything. Either way you're going to piss off the die-hards that read them. And no, I'm not one of them, but I've read through a synopsis of a few of them and the books seem pretty strange. So good luck with that. Also, the future quickly gets boring. You've got to keep coming up with bigger and bigger enemies and problems because everything else gets solved. ST never really explores the societal effects of technology, so you could probably have fun with that. It just wouldn't be Star Trek really.

FirstNationalBastard: #11:

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IIRC, they're only going up to 2409 with the new Trek game stuff. If you jump a century past TNG, there's plenty of wide open space to explore things.

Plus, everyone just figures that something bad will have happened to the Federation by that time, which opens up possibilities... Something more along the lines of DS9 than the perfect Federation of TNG, which would also allow exploration of the societal effects of technology.

Would the Federation's high minded ideals still survive if they didn't have the energy to power their replicators and keep everyone fed, clothed, and sheltered?
 
2012-07-29 10:06:06 AM
I really doubt they're going to pay attention to the expanded universe with a new show. The number of people who would be pissed about the EU being violated has to be minuscule and even they'll still watch it.

Hell the last movie violated canon and it was a huge hit.

/yeah, yeah alternate time line. bullshiat.
 
2012-07-29 10:06:38 AM

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: 1. See if it is possible to write a Season 1 that doesn't suck
2. The reason they went back is because the books have pretty well fleshed out a good chunk of time after 2400. That makes going into the future hard. Either you've got to incorporate all of them, and correctly, or you overwrite everything. Either way you're going to piss off the die-hards that read them. And no, I'm not one of them, but I've read through a synopsis of a few of them and the books seem pretty strange. So good luck with that. Also, the future quickly gets boring. You've got to keep coming up with bigger and bigger enemies and problems because everything else gets solved. ST never really explores the societal effects of technology, so you could probably have fun with that. It just wouldn't be Star Trek really.

FirstNationalBastard: #11:

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IIRC, they're only going up to 2409 with the new Trek game stuff. If you jump a century past TNG, there's plenty of wide open space to explore things.

Plus, everyone just figures that something bad will have happened to the Federation by that time, which opens up possibilities... Something more along the lines of DS9 than the perfect Federation of TNG, which would also allow exploration of the societal effects of technology.

Would the Federation's high minded ideals still survive if they didn't have the energy to power their replicators and keep everyone fed, clothed, and sheltered?


Wasn't there a pitch that was more or less this recently? Can't remember who. 2600 or so, the Federation is collapsing, one last honest crew to save everything.

Also, we know the Federation survives to the year 3000.
 
2012-07-29 10:08:56 AM
Paramount always likes to get another 200+ episode syndication meal ticket generator. It won't happen until at least 2015. Once the movie universe is established then a series in another time (or the future of the Abrams line) would make more sense.

I'm also betting on an Asian captain this time.
 
2012-07-29 10:18:39 AM

Tr0mBoNe: Paramount always likes to get another 200+ episode syndication meal ticket generator.


TOS: 79 episodes
TNG: 178
DS9: 176
VOY: 172
ENT: 98
 
2012-07-29 10:25:36 AM
I'd still like to see a series that sets up the gradual change from the ST Federation to Andromeda's Commonwealth.
 
2012-07-29 10:33:01 AM

GAT_00: TOS: 79 episodes


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...about thirty good ones

/Weeellssshhhiiiiieeeee!!!
 
2012-07-29 11:16:48 AM
lets get this thread going
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2012-07-29 11:22:26 AM

Tr0mBoNe: Paramount always likes to get another 200+ episode syndication meal ticket generator. It won't happen until at least 2015. Once the movie universe is established then a series in another time (or the future of the Abrams line) would make more sense.

I'm also betting on an Asian captain this time.


I'd be all about a series so far in the future that you don't know which universe's future its set in.

Need a high ranking Muslim officer with a big bushy beard and head towel that matches his uniform. Or maybe even female Muslim officer in a burqa.
They keep saying they're going to have an openly gay character, but i figure that will really hurt their ratings at this point so they'll pussy out.
 
2012-07-29 11:34:46 AM
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2012-07-29 11:36:55 AM

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The Internet worries me some times.
 
2012-07-29 11:44:02 AM

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lol
 
2012-07-29 11:46:24 AM
I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.
 
2012-07-29 11:48:59 AM

GAT_00: Mentat: [img202.imageshack.us image 399x1500]

The Internet worries me some times.




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2012-07-29 11:51:25 AM

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: Mentat: [img202.imageshack.us image 399x1500]

The Internet worries me some times.



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What's the Captain Picard Day episode? Is that the one where he gets trapped in the turbolift with the kids?
 
2012-07-29 11:51:36 AM
Subby: "10 things to expect..."
TFA: "10 things we'd like to see..."

I'd insult your intelligence, subtard, but I don't think you'd be able to comprehend the words.
 
2012-07-29 11:52:51 AM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: Mentat: [img202.imageshack.us image 399x1500]

The Internet worries me some times.



[i413.photobucket.com image 694x530]

Captain, we know how much you've missed Kamala, so we figured we'd get you a replacement.

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What's the Captain Picard Day episode? Is that the one where he gets trapped in the turbolift with the kids?


The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.
 
2012-07-29 11:54:15 AM
11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.
 
2012-07-29 11:54:15 AM

FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.


I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.
 
2012-07-29 11:55:23 AM

Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.


Thanks for stating the obvious, Troi
 
2012-07-29 11:56:28 AM

serial_crusher: Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.

Thanks for stating the obvious, Troi


Well, he did crash into the thread.
 
2012-07-29 11:56:29 AM
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2012-07-29 11:57:43 AM
How about killing a main character every so often.
 
2012-07-29 11:58:21 AM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.


That's "Disaster". The ship hits something, jacks everything up, and it's where we discover Troi doesn't know the difference between a warp core and a Mr Coffee.
 
2012-07-29 11:58:22 AM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.


It was part of a really good run of mid-season episodes from the final season.

Of course, there were some horrible episodes in between the great ones.
 
2012-07-29 11:59:25 AM

Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.


They should do an episode with Nazis
 
2012-07-29 11:59:44 AM

DarthBart: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.

That's "Disaster". The ship hits something, jacks everything up, and it's where we discover Troi doesn't know the difference between a warp core and a Mr Coffee.


It was the outfit.

As soon as Captain Jellico made her wear a real uniform the next season, she knew everything about the artificial singularities that powered Romulan ships.
 
2012-07-29 11:59:56 AM
How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.
 
2012-07-29 12:01:56 PM
Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.
 
2012-07-29 12:02:42 PM
As long as they have DS9 style story arcs, minimize the use of time travel, and set it in a post Voyager era.
 
2012-07-29 12:03:03 PM

PsyLord: How about killing a main character every so often.


Like Tasha Yar?
 
2012-07-29 12:03:18 PM
1) No more prequels.

2) No more reboots.

3) No more J.J.

4) No teenagers or cadets.

I will not watch Star Trek that contains any of those things.
 
2012-07-29 12:08:29 PM

Mentat: PsyLord: How about killing a main character every so often.

Like Tasha Yar?


And Jadzia Dax, etc. But more frequent terminations.
 
2012-07-29 12:10:37 PM
how bout just doin the show where the Klingon and federation are beating each other silly?
 
2012-07-29 12:12:43 PM

tomWright: Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.


You remind me of the comic book fans wondering why the companies keep doing all these Avengers related movies when they could be doing a Forbush Man vs. Paste Pot Pete movie instead.
 
2012-07-29 12:17:24 PM
I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.
 
2012-07-29 12:17:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.

It was part of a really good run of mid-season episodes from the final season.

Of course, there were some horrible episodes in between the great ones.


I remember the bit about Riker's ship in the asteroid, but that's it.
 
2012-07-29 12:18:29 PM

awfulperson: I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.


...you live up to your username.
 
2012-07-29 12:19:42 PM
No mention of Star Trek Continues? A new series and not a hint in TFA.
 
2012-07-29 12:20:20 PM
Star Trek was always written by actual Sci-Fi writers.

/They just weren't any good at it.
 
2012-07-29 12:21:15 PM
Also missing. No humanoid based species
 
2012-07-29 12:22:05 PM

awfulperson: Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.


As long as there's an episode where he farks the descendant of that one trisexual character from enterprise, and the ghost that Beverly Crusher farked on Planet Scotland.
 
2012-07-29 12:23:52 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species


So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.
 
2012-07-29 12:30:19 PM
I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.
 
2012-07-29 12:34:46 PM
You all have some ideas but with Robert Orci writing I really wouldn't expect much.
 
2012-07-29 12:41:06 PM

GAT_00: The Internet worries me some times.


Only some times?
 
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