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2012-07-29 10:01:10 PM  

tomWright: Yeah, you are probably right. I have no problem with more Star Trek per se., it's just that these seem to take all the oxygen out of the room for others. SO all we get is the same premise with characters that are like 3 day old pizza refreshed in the oven.


Sci-Fi series which ran along side Star Trek and still managed to have a pretty significant run:

Babylon-5
Stargate SG-1
Farscape
Battlestar Gallactica
Quantum Leap
Sliders
X-Files
Stargate Atlantis
Lost
Andromeda
Terminator: Sarah Connor
Dollhouse

Okay, the last two only lasted two seasons but still... it's not like there wasn't Sci-Fi when Star Trek had their run of it. If anything, interest in Star Trek got us a bunch of really awesome shows.

Oh, and Dr. Who.
 
2012-07-29 10:02:52 PM  

BolloxReader: NeoCortex42: I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

So, always be the abandoned hulk that the flagship is called to investigate?

/all our shirts are red, why do you ask?


Honestly, the only thing Star Trek could do that would be really new and interesting is if they focused on something grittier and GTF away from Star Fleet. A civilian crew would be awesome if set in the Star Trek world, maybe Firefly without the cowboy thing.
 
2012-07-29 10:06:38 PM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: DS9 had some reasonable uniforms towards the end.

Yeah, they did. That would be the second closest thing to a uniform Trek ever had. But they were still jumpsuits.


US Navy wears jumpsuits:

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2012-07-29 10:08:20 PM  

NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


The Soviets were able to get lots of people to do work without having a capitalist economy.
 
2012-07-29 10:36:37 PM  
I wouldn't mins seeing a series based on the Starfleet Corps of Engineers, building ships, developing new technologies, and reverse-engineering found alien technologies.

There could be lots of Eureka type incidents. It would be kind of cool getting to know extinct races who left behind advanced technology.
 
2012-07-29 10:40:42 PM  

alphalemming: I wouldn't mins seeing a series based on the Starfleet Corps of Engineers, building ships, developing new technologies, and reverse-engineering found alien technologies.

There could be lots of Eureka type incidents. It would be kind of cool getting to know extinct races who left behind advanced technology.


They never did do anything else with major pieces of alien tech, like the Guardian of Forever, or the Iconian Stargates.
 
2012-07-29 10:48:39 PM  
Best idea ever IMO of recent genre fiction is to create a team that does the 'cleaning up' after major events and interactions. Investigating the 'hidden history' of the ST universe.

I would totally watch a show about a small crew that was dedicated to following up the unresolved back stories or issues that have arisen from any of the ST shows. It would essentially be an alternate view of the major timelines show in a slightly unsynchronized fashion.
 
2012-07-29 10:52:57 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks

The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.

The transition from TNG to DS9 was interesting.

TNG: anything you need (except vaccines, apparently) can be replicated easily. No need for currency anywhere.
DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).


Also, one of the most famous TOS episodes, The Trouble With Tribbles, starts with Uhura buying something...and getting a deal, too!
 
2012-07-29 10:55:34 PM  

Mugato: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: One of the reasons the Ferengi aren't intimidated by the Federation folks is that they absolutely demand latinum for most payments, and the Federation can't create it but has to obtain it normally.

Yeah but Federation people bought stuff all the time, whenever the plot served it, even beyond the Ferengi. It's just not a consistent plot point, and there's no making sense of it.


Like a Willie Mays card?
 
2012-07-29 10:57:47 PM  

Lobo2010: NeoCortex42: Mugato: mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks

The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.

The transition from TNG to DS9 was interesting.

TNG: anything you need (except vaccines, apparently) can be replicated easily. No need for currency anywhere.
DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Also, one of the most famous TOS episodes, The Trouble With Tribbles, starts with Uhura buying something...and getting a deal, too!


Dr. Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me you don't use money in the 23rd Century.
Kirk: Well, we don't.

Star Trek IV
 
2012-07-29 11:18:04 PM  

meanmutton: Lobo2010: NeoCortex42: Mugato: mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks

The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.

The transition from TNG to DS9 was interesting.

TNG: anything you need (except vaccines, apparently) can be replicated easily. No need for currency anywhere.
DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Also, one of the most famous TOS episodes, The Trouble With Tribbles, starts with Uhura buying something...and getting a deal, too!

Dr. Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me you don't use money in the 23rd Century.
Kirk: Well, we don't.

Star Trek IV


What he meant was that most transactions were handled by colonic-map scan and debited from the individual's bank account automatically. Physical currency was reserved for back-world craps games and mobster cosplay.
 
2012-07-29 11:24:41 PM  

Cyno01: Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

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She totally looks like Abby Elliot from SNL in some pics,
content6.flixster.com

but she looks like her frame is too small for her head in the last few seasons of Reba...it's weird..

media.mademan.com

Maybe it was just the attitude her character had on Reba..cause I can't really find a pic to show what I'm remembering..(?)

/all hot..
 
2012-07-29 11:44:05 PM  
#11: Lots of disappointment.

Sure, I dream too, but lets be realistic, the magic is gone.

GAT_00: Wasn't there a pitch that was more or less this recently? Can't remember who. 2600 or so, the Federation is collapsing, one last honest crew to save everything.


If I was going to make a new series, this is exactly where I would go. Roddenberry would spin in his grave, but I don't care.
 
2012-07-29 11:54:28 PM  

GAT_00: Mentat: [img202.imageshack.us image 399x1500]

The Internet worries me some times.


Just be glad he isn't Rule 34ing it.
 
2012-07-29 11:57:42 PM  

tomWright: Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.


Windup girl was tedium, but I only got through a few hours of the audio (yes, I was listening to audio books, it's something to do to drown out noise, while driving, while splicing fiber, or doing other things that don't require much attention and I'm tired of music). Maybe it picked up after a while. But the whole time I kept going 'uh...water. Hydro power. Lots of differiing renewable energy sources to generate electricity in an obviously high tech world, why the fark are they making mainsprings and all of this other bullshiat' which just threw me out of the book. I know, for the most part, sci-fi writers just use technology as a nebulous springboard for whatever they want to write about, but...it made my brain cramp the level of 'wtf' I had to do for that one.

I'll check out some of the others though. Recently listened to Amped: A novel, and have been kind of wanting more good scifi books. Even went back to listen to Neuromancer. Anyone throw down a few good scifi or cyberpunk novels I might catch out on audio somewhere? Difficulty (?): no baroque cycle or cryptonomicon. Both were boring beyond words.
 
2012-07-30 12:14:45 AM  

BafflerMeal:
I would totally watch a show about a small crew that was dedicated to following up the unresolved back stories or issues that have arisen from any of the ST shows. It would essentially be an alternate view of the major timelines show in a slightly unsynchronized fashion.


"Star Trek Continues" will apparently start by revisiting a TOS situation, starring the original guest star. At least that's what Captain Kirk says.
 
2012-07-30 12:23:03 AM  

strutin: Cyno01: Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

[greenobles.com image 425x628]
[content6.flixster.com image 240x360]

She totally looks like Abby Elliot from SNL in some pics,
[content6.flixster.com image 240x360]

but she looks like her frame is too small for her head in the last few seasons of Reba...it's weird..

[media.mademan.com image 529x795]

Maybe it was just the attitude her character had on Reba..cause I can't really find a pic to show what I'm remembering..(?)

/all hot..


It was anorexia.
 
2012-07-30 12:56:50 AM  

FuturePastNow: If they can get Ron Moore back on board for a series


Did you see the ending of BSG?
 
2012-07-30 01:05:11 AM  

BafflerMeal: 1. A Scottish engineer with an asian wife
2. An ambiguously brown doctor or scientist with a secret
3. A B level character who will have to have a limb amputated, become depressed and angry
4. A story arc about the bad guy's occupation and how people suffer
5. Bad aliens that can look like us, leading to a downward spiral of distrust and paranoia
6. Enigmatic gods that are ultimately responsible for everything
7. A christ figure who is being led by the gods


I... I never realized...
 
2012-07-30 01:51:43 AM  

NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


Well. In all seriousness, if I were to be reasonably assured that my food, clothing, shelter, and transportation needs were guaranteed and stable, I'd go back to bartending.

That shiat was fun.

Then again, the whole point of bartending is talking people out of their money while entertaining the notion that you're a cheap mental health professional, so I'm not sure how that would fit into a moneyless society with telepathic psychiatrists.

I sure as hell wouldn't be in IT. The money's the only good part of the job.
 
2012-07-30 02:28:47 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

Well. In all seriousness, if I were to be reasonably assured that my food, clothing, shelter, and transportation needs were guaranteed and stable, I'd go back to bartending.

That shiat was fun.

Then again, the whole point of bartending is talking people out of their money while entertaining the notion that you're a cheap mental health professional, so I'm not sure how that would fit into a moneyless society with telepathic

empathic psychiatrists.

I sure as hell wouldn't be in IT. The money's the only good part of the job.


FTFY. Deanna Troi was describe as empathic, not fully telepathic although her and her mother could communicate telepathically. Also, somehow Troi and Riker seemed to share a special link. I'm not sure whether that was empathic or telepathic, but it never quite made sense to me. The first part I believe was explained by Deanna Troi only being half-Betazoid.
 
2012-07-30 04:33:20 AM  

Cyno01: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.

If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

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But a good puppet can't do what a CGI model can do.
 
2012-07-30 08:19:11 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: awfulperson: I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.

I'm seein' a pattern here.


Actually: even though awfulperson was being snarky and satirical, back in the TNG days there was
quite a lot of agitation in fannish circles to include a LGBT character of some sort in TNG, and
Roddenberry was quite enthusiastic about it, even down to having a gay regular crew member,
but in TNG the closest they ever got was "The Outcast", where Riker fell in love with an alien from
an androgynous race, and the character he fell in love with was played by a woman.

There was quite a bit of female bisexuality portrayed in DS9, but that's likely because the studio
execs found it 'hot'.

Unlike some, I find I rather liked JJ Abrams' movie, and hold out hope that he might finally get around
to having an overtly gay central character on the crew in future movies.

There is a wikipedia page about the subject that seems quite interesting (tl;dr, though I will).
 
2012-07-30 09:04:54 AM  
"Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts... deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers... put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time... and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces, look at their eyes..." - Quark

I liked that episode quite a bit. Mostly because I had become somewhat tired of Humans being so clear-cut white hats all the time.

Given the current political climate I'd think that a series that deals with a super-power (the Federation; the States) which, having outlived it's traditional enemies (post-Voyager; post cold-war), now turns inwards and suffers from it's own internal conflicts and internal stresses. There would certainly be enough material from current events and from the past shows to head in this direction.

Start with some cloak and dagger arcs and build up to something massive.
 
2012-07-30 09:08:20 AM  

Freschel: Cyno01: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.

If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

[withfriendship.com image 600x400]
[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 640x430]

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 475x547]
[www.acts24.com image 850x481]

But a good puppet can't do what a CGI model can do.


Like pinball yoda? Never shoulda been done in the first place.
 
2012-07-30 09:10:45 AM  

NeoCortex42:
Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.


NCC-1701 was an old girl with 10 - 20 years on her before Kirk ever set foot on the bridge. He was the youngest Captain in history, they weren't insane enough to give a kid anything THAT shiny though.

But I do agree, I'd rather see a crew in an older more beat up ship doing 'stuff' than the latest shiny crewed by the best Starfleet has to offer.
 
2012-07-30 09:21:16 AM  

Vaneshi: NeoCortex42:
Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

NCC-1701 was an old girl with 10 - 20 years on her before Kirk ever set foot on the bridge. He was the youngest Captain in history, they weren't insane enough to give a kid anything THAT shiny though.

But I do agree, I'd rather see a crew in an older more beat up ship doing 'stuff' than the latest shiny crewed by the best Starfleet has to offer.


Ah, but it was most likely essentially a new ship. It had probably been in drydock for a couple years getting a complete overhaul, one that doubled the crew capacity, included a brand new bridge, and so on. Sure, the frame of the ship was 20 years old, but most everything else was brand new.

And the same thing happened between TOS and TMP.
 
2012-07-30 09:38:20 AM  

NeoCortex42: Fark_Guy_Rob: Every single Star Trek series I've seen has been really, really bad. Even most 'fans' of Star Trek will admit that a whole bunch of episodes, or even entire seasons, of the show is crap - for whichever particular show you want to talk about. I made the mistake of trying to watch all the TNG episodes...only to realize how crappy it was. Then I went online and found that most people seemed to agree.

I love the idea of Star Trek - but after trying to watch TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, the original, and DS-9.....I'm just like meh. I have absolute zero faith in their ability to pull off a decent show.

Truthfully - it just seems played out. I'd rather see another generic 'space sci-fi show' than another Star Trek. A new Star Trek comes with so much baggage. The same races, the same stereotypes, the same expectations, the same 'bad guys'....the same 'OMG the Holodeck is malfunctioning....'

I'd say most Trek fans agree that there are many low points in the shows, but that the good points more than make up for them.
TOS had two great seasons and one mostly terrible one.
TNG had 1+ terrible seasons, a few seasons of greatness, and otherwise decent
DS9 started off passable, then got great around Season 3
Voyager was crap, except for a handful of episodes
Enterprise is the red-headed stepchild that doesn't really get an honest shot. Was alright from the beginning, but got good and nobody noticed.

Even the first season of TNG had some great episodes like Conspiracy and Datalore.


I know that old thread is old but this is a really good assessment of the ST universe. I do have to hang my head in shame and say that in essence I liked Voyager, but they kept farking the same chickens and it got tiresome. I did not like enterprise in the beginning, then a caught a marathon of the later episodes and went back to watch the whole thing, you are pretty much dead on.
 
2012-07-30 09:39:10 AM  

GAT_00: Sultan Of Herf: I dont know about the show, but that pic at the top of TFA isnt gonna end well for the Starfleet ships...a cruiser, frigate/destroyer, and a tug against 4 D7 battlecruisers, not good.

I see no phaser banks. That makes it a Hermes scout, not a Saladin destroyer.


Well, that just makes it even worse.
 
2012-07-30 09:55:32 AM  

NeoCortex42: Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


The Federation has currency but no 'money' per say, M/AM reactors can only supply so much power and you have limits on just how fast you can pull the magical Dilithium out of the ground. So energy is rationed, however there are no homeless people on Earth so the quality of life for the entire planet is substantially above our first world. You could go from cradle to grave never lifting a finger and be very comfortable or you could do whatever you wanted (caveat: must be for the good of society) and earn additional perks & benefits.

It's a society where automation can do all the jobs nobody likes and they are free to do whatever they enjoy doing, but they have a massive social impetus to do be useful.
 
2012-07-30 09:57:42 AM  

Vaneshi: NeoCortex42:
Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

NCC-1701 was an old girl with 10 - 20 years on her before Kirk ever set foot on the bridge. He was the youngest Captain in history, they weren't insane enough to give a kid anything THAT shiny though.

But I do agree, I'd rather see a crew in an older more beat up ship doing 'stuff' than the latest shiny crewed by the best Starfleet has to offer.


Kirk's ship wasn't a top-of-the-line new ship, but it was still the ship that seemed to make every single new discovery in the Federation and personally encountered numerous god-like aliens. Even though it wasn't officially the flagship of the Federation, it may as well have been.
 
2012-07-30 10:04:15 AM  

Vaneshi: NeoCortex42: Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

The Federation has currency but no 'money' per say, M/AM reactors can only supply so much power and you have limits on just how fast you can pull the magical Dilithium out of the ground. So energy is rationed, however there are no homeless people on Earth so the quality of life for the entire planet is substantially above our first world. You could go from cradle to grave never lifting a finger and be very comfortable or you could do whatever you wanted (caveat: must be for the good of society) and earn additional perks & benefits.

It's a society where automation can do all the jobs nobody likes and they are free to do whatever they enjoy doing, but they have a massive social impetus to do be useful.


But if they do the needful, they're telported to the spice mines of Kessel.
 
2012-07-30 10:10:27 AM  

NeoCortex42: Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


The waiters in ten-forward were always more like bar tenders (and a lot of times they did double duty). I think it's obvious why a personality like Guinan's would gravitate towards that kind of job.
In the future, you probably have less demand for that kind of job, since most people can just walk to the replicator themselves. People are more honest so you don't have the racket that you have today, where you go to a buffet or "casual dining" restaurant and they have a waiter serving your drinks for no reason other than to milk you for tips.
With different circumstances, you end up with wait staff who aren't high school dropouts, and customers who don't resent being expected to pay an extra 20% to feed that incompetent pakled's family of 6 illegitimate children. So yeah, I can see how a sufficient number of people might genuinely choose that career.

/ Did Sisko have waiters working for him, or did he bring the food to the customers himself? I could see him wanting to give it a more personal touch.
 
2012-07-30 10:13:15 AM  

Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I?


Of course you can, which planet in which star system would you like to put your vineyard on Sir? Perhaps you could try the underwater cities on Earth as well for giggles.
 
2012-07-30 10:15:12 AM  

serial_crusher: NeoCortex42: Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

The waiters in ten-forward were always more like bar tenders (and a lot of times they did double duty). I think it's obvious why a personality like Guinan's would gravitate towards that kind of job.
In the future, you probably have less demand for that kind of job, since most people can just walk to the replicator themselves. People are more honest so you don't have the racket that you have today, where you go to a buffet or "casual dining" restaurant and they have a waiter serving your drinks for no reason other than to milk you for tips.
With different circumstances, you end up with wait staff who aren't high school dropouts, and customers who don't resent being expected to pay an extra 20% to feed that incompetent pakled's family of 6 illegitimate children. So yeah, I can see how a sufficient number of people might genuinely choose that career.

/ Did Sisko have waiters working for him, or did he bring the food to the customers himself? I could see him wanting to give it a more personal touch.


If I remember right, he did it all
 
2012-07-30 10:21:34 AM  

Vaneshi: Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I?

Of course you can, which planet in which star system would you like to put your vineyard on Sir? Perhaps you could try the underwater cities on Earth as well for giggles.


And then next thing you know, the Federation sells your colony out and gives it away to the Cardassians.
 
2012-07-30 10:24:42 AM  
Also missing from the list: Cancelled after the first 2 seasons
 
2012-07-30 10:25:40 AM  

NeoCortex42: Vaneshi: Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I?

Of course you can, which planet in which star system would you like to put your vineyard on Sir? Perhaps you could try the underwater cities on Earth as well for giggles.

And then next thing you know, the Federation sells your colony out and gives it away to the Cardassians.


It was either that, or send the colonists blankets infected with Tarellian plague.
 
2012-07-30 10:46:31 AM  
For anybody thinking about getting the recent Blu-Ray's of season 1, there's apparently a pretty major issue with the sound in about 8 episodes. I haven't had a chance to go through my set yet, but several sites are reporting it, and CBS is looking into it. So you may want to hold off for a bit if you haven't bought it yet.

Also, it looks like they're going through and removing some of the Okudagrams, like the computer screen family tree that contains Doctor Who actors. I guess they don't want some of the jokes showing up in HD because it might be distracting?
 
2012-07-30 10:51:54 AM  

NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


I dont think he had waiters, but i could definitely see people farming for the love of it. How many people garden as a hobby? I know plenty of hippie organic farmers who do it mostly out of a love for the product and just make enough to support themselves.
 
2012-07-30 10:52:21 AM  

NeoCortex42: For anybody thinking about getting the recent Blu-Ray's of season 1, there's apparently a pretty major issue with the sound in about 8 episodes. I haven't had a chance to go through my set yet, but several sites are reporting it, and CBS is looking into it. So you may want to hold off for a bit if you haven't bought it yet.

Also, it looks like they're going through and removing some of the Okudagrams, like the computer screen family tree that contains Doctor Who actors. I guess they don't want some of the jokes showing up in HD because it might be distracting?


only in the 5.1 soundtrack, IIRC.

2 Channel stereo seems to be fine.

And while I don't necessarily like removing Okudagram jokes, they weren't supposed to be seen in the first place.
 
2012-07-30 10:54:44 AM  
I'd like to see some more episodes that aren't from a Federation perspective. Like the one in Enterprise that focuses on aliens observing us instead of the other way around. You can do a lot of self-criticism that way and wrap it with a touch of comedy.
 
2012-07-30 10:55:22 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: And while I don't necessarily like removing Okudagram jokes, they weren't supposed to be seen in the first place.


Yeah, it's not a huge deal. But I was looking forward to seeing some of them in high-def.
 
2012-07-30 11:18:52 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Vaneshi: NeoCortex42:
Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

NCC-1701 was an old girl with 10 - 20 years on her before Kirk ever set foot on the bridge. He was the youngest Captain in history, they weren't insane enough to give a kid anything THAT shiny though.

But I do agree, I'd rather see a crew in an older more beat up ship doing 'stuff' than the latest shiny crewed by the best Starfleet has to offer.

Ah, but it was most likely essentially a new ship. It had probably been in drydock for a couple years getting a complete overhaul, one that doubled the crew capacity, included a brand new bridge, and so on. Sure, the frame of the ship was 20 years old, but most everything else was brand new.

And the same thing happened between TOS and TMP.


That's how real-world navies work. Combat ships are constantly getting upgrades, constantly being overhauled. They're in drydock more than they're in the ocean.
 
2012-07-30 02:35:25 PM  
Orion Slave Girl cunnilingus/fellatio combat or GTFO

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2012-07-30 02:39:43 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: NeoCortex42: For anybody thinking about getting the recent Blu-Ray's of season 1, there's apparently a pretty major issue with the sound in about 8 episodes. I haven't had a chance to go through my set yet, but several sites are reporting it, and CBS is looking into it. So you may want to hold off for a bit if you haven't bought it yet.

Also, it looks like they're going through and removing some of the Okudagrams, like the computer screen family tree that contains Doctor Who actors. I guess they don't want some of the jokes showing up in HD because it might be distracting?

only in the 5.1 soundtrack, IIRC.

2 Channel stereo seems to be fine.

And while I don't necessarily like removing Okudagram jokes, they weren't supposed to be seen in the first place.


Just to follow up in case anyone is interested, CBS just released a statement and has officially begun a replacement program:
Dear Star Trek Fans,

We have discovered an anomaly in the English 7.1 DTS Master Audio track in our Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 1 Blu-ray Box set. There are some episodes that inadvertently had their front channel designations incorrectly mapped, resulting in an undesired playback experience when listening to them in a 7.1 or 5.1 Surround Sound environment.

We are quickly working to remedy the situation. Replacement discs (Disc 1, 3 and 4) will be made available free of charge. Please email ph­e*s­tng­[nospam-﹫-backwards]exule­d­yb­*c­om for details regarding the replacement program. You may also call 877-DELUXE6 (877-335-8936) between 8am to 6pm Pacific, Monday-Friday.

We strive to provide our fans the best Blu-ray experience possible and sincerely apologize for this inconvenience.

Taken from: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Star-Trek-Generation-season-1-bd-repl acement/17303#ixzz228HrGc00
 
2012-07-30 03:43:15 PM  

Cyno01: Freschel: Cyno01: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.

If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

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But a good puppet can't do what a CGI model can do.

Like pinball yoda? Never shoulda been done in the first place.


That's the best part of the movie. Besides it'll be too difficult to do a light saber fight scene with a puppet.

Let me guess George Lucas raped your childhood.
 
2012-07-30 03:54:36 PM  

Mugato: I really doubt they're going to pay attention to the expanded universe with a new show. The number of people who would be pissed about the EU being violated has to be minuscule and even they'll still watch it.

Hell the last movie violated canon and it was a huge hit.

/yeah, yeah alternate time line. bullshiat.


Like Star Wars?
 
2012-07-30 03:56:49 PM  

Cyno01: NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

I dont think he had waiters, but i could definitely see people farming for the love of it. How many people garden as a hobby? I know plenty of hippie organic farmers who do it mostly out of a love for the product and just make enough to support themselves.


It's pretty well established over a number of episodes in TNG and DS9 that money and economies still exist in the 24th century, what with Beverly Crusher buying shiat on shore leave and charging it to her ship, etc. There would have to be some kind of economy to interface with all these member worlds, because I doubt the ones producing ships, supplies, materials, etc, are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. I mean, going to work just because I feel obligated to? fark that.
 
2012-07-30 03:58:09 PM  
as a side note, I want to punch whomever designed the new phasers and phaser noises for the new Trek movie. Punch him in the goddamn face.

/barrel flipping back and forth? WHAT THE fark...
 
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