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2012-07-29 02:49:47 PM  

Fat-D: 100 Watt Walrus: No thanks. I'll stick with TNG Season 8.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

The crew discovers a planet populated by billions of Riker clones. Picard brokers peace between the bearded majority and non-bearded rebels.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

A deligation of alien hummingbirds secretly plan to drink Wesley. It's a challenge, but Riker still manages to hook up with one.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

Caretakers of a planet-sized library steal Data's brain to store their massive catalog. Picard won't shut up about chess.


The best one:

Wesley returns from a trip to discover that the Enterprise crew has been transformed into pigs. Worf is a mean pig.
 
2012-07-29 02:50:35 PM  

mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks


The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.
 
2012-07-29 02:51:17 PM  

tomWright: Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.


The reason Star Trek isn't that great anymore is the same reason it's not going away: money. Paramount has a cash machine with Star Trek, and they'll punch it as much as they can until it's completely dead, which might be never. And they work hard to maximise that profit, which is why it's probably impossible to do any more Trek that appeals to Trek's most hardcore fans: there aren't enough of them to justify shutting out people who think J.J. Abrams is some kind of genius.
 
2012-07-29 02:56:02 PM  

Mugato: mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks

The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.


The transition from TNG to DS9 was interesting.

TNG: anything you need (except vaccines, apparently) can be replicated easily. No need for currency anywhere.
DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).
 
2012-07-29 02:59:32 PM  

NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).


Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.
 
2012-07-29 03:02:14 PM  

GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.


But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.
 
2012-07-29 03:18:03 PM  

Mugato: DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.

They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.


They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.

As far as mining the incredible amount of books for source material, I know it'd never happen, but there was a pretty good series based on the mirror universe of TOS, Enterprise and DS9. Pretty dark and savage.
 
2012-07-29 03:19:59 PM  
Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

OMG! That's it! The future is some kind of giant LARP! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
 
2012-07-29 03:21:45 PM  
Also missing from the list, continuity.
 
2012-07-29 03:27:19 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.



Best Uniforms:
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Worst Uniforms of the "modern era": a tie between the "skant" and "cruise ship entertainment director"
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2012-07-29 03:28:03 PM  

Mister Peejay: Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated./i>

The Voyager crew was put on energy rations. They could eat the free cafeteria food, and choose what to spend their ration to replicate.

 
2012-07-29 03:29:11 PM  

PsyLord: Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor? You'd figure that would be something important for security personnel.


Why is the transporter always unusable when a shuttlecraft is in trouble, and vice versa? Why is the ship not impervious to at least a majority of alien assaults? Why does the Disease of the Week defy routine treatment?

Plot devices, my boy. There is no known defence against them.
 
2012-07-29 03:29:31 PM  

WelldeadLink: Mister Peejay: Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated./i>

The Voyager crew was put on energy rations. They could eat the free cafeteria food, and choose what to spend their ration to replicate.


Or just hang out on the holodeck for seemingly limitless time. Or maybe just build a few dozen shuttlecraft and go get some takeout.
 
2012-07-29 03:33:57 PM  
Let's use the star trek theme song this time. That horrific abortion Enterprise called a theme song kept me off that show until years after it was canceled.
 
2012-07-29 03:40:30 PM  

NeoCortex42: Your_Huckleberry: They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.


Best Uniforms:
[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 518x479]

Worst Uniforms of the "modern era": a tie between the "skant" and "cruise ship entertainment director"
[images.wikia.com image 367x572][images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 278x479]


I still don't understand how they lost the technology of pockets. Maybe that's why they keep having to study primitive civilizations.
 
2012-07-29 03:43:55 PM  
awfulperson said "Madison" twice.

So I euthanized it.
 
2012-07-29 03:44:29 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: NeoCortex42: Your_Huckleberry: They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.


Best Uniforms:
[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 518x479]

Worst Uniforms of the "modern era": a tie between the "skant" and "cruise ship entertainment director"
[images.wikia.com image 367x572][images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 278x479]

I still don't understand how they lost the technology of pockets. Maybe that's why they keep having to study primitive civilizations.


They've evolved beyond pockets. No loose change or wallets to worry about. No need for a cell phone with their communicators handy. No car keys since they can just use voice recognition and passcodes for all security.

We can all only hope to one day see the reality of a pocketless society.
 
2012-07-29 03:50:01 PM  

Mister Peejay: wildcardjack: I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.

Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated.


There have been many lengthy essays and many lengthy and heated discussions about this question. My own sense is that Roddenberry never admitted it, but the Federation is essentially communist, in a rather pure form, probably arrived at accidentally. Though communism has not been proven stable above tribe scale on our world, Roddenberry gets around some of the more difficult aspects of Marxism with a device unavailable in our time: extreme plenty. Current markets are based on supply and demand. Roddenberry's Federation enjoys an overabundance of supply and unusually efficient delivery for most commodities, so it experiences considerably less demand, in ratio, than any known society to date. Humans don't have to work to meet even most of their luxury 'needs,' but still have the human need for purpose, so they've turned to self-improvement and learning as primary occupations.

Federation citizens do seem to engage in some straight commerce, but it's never made clear how this works. (I will say that Federation citizens don't seem to value money very much.) Of course, the most consistent thing about Star Trek being its inconsistency, this is most likely just someone's oversight: there probably is no overriding writers bible discussion of Federation economics. But over the years, there have been sufficient clues to suggest the above, at least to me. I don't recall anyone's 'pay grade' being mentioned in all these years, which suggests to me that there are no pay grades, and no pay -- Federation citizens don't 'need' very much that they can't supply themselves, and because everyone has most of what they need, and a great abundance of most necessities, no one in the Federation ever considers the 'cost' of obtaining and delivering even limited resources such as dilithium crystals. Prestige, honour, and the experience itself are reward enough. You also never see the 23rd+ Century equivalent of modern-day swabbies: there are no menial jobs, unless you happen to desire one for whatever reason, or for those being disciplined by superiors. People work because they want to, because it feels good to be doing something, even if you don't really need to do it.

Well, that's my starry-eyed, children's-book take on it, anyway.
 
2012-07-29 04:01:41 PM  
Roddenberry gets around some of the more difficult aspects of Marxism with a device unavailable in our time: extreme plenty. Current markets are based on supply and demand. Roddenberry's Federation enjoys an overabundance of supply and unusually efficient delivery for most commodities, so it experiences considerably less demand, in ratio, than any known society to date. Humans don't have to work to meet even most of their luxury 'needs,' but still have the human need for purpose, so they've turned to self-improvement and learning as primary occupations.

That sounds quite plausible. Now if we could find some way to explain how the control freaks in power are restrained from micromanaging people's lives, and imposing their beliefs on others, we could have ourselves a complete explanation....
 
2012-07-29 04:09:39 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: Mugato: DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.

They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.

They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.

As far as mining the incredible amount of books for source material, I know it'd never happen, but there was a pretty good series based on the mirror universe of TOS, Enterprise and DS9. Pretty dark and savage.


Well fitted tailored clothing is not uncomfortable to wear day to day, and the first contact/DS9 ones were closer to tailored as well, though with knit fabrics that would make them stretchy- the best of both worlds.

And the movie uniforms did have work variants. Watch Wrath of Khan again, you see a bunch with the various scenes in engineering. It's a movie where they actually had the budget to do interesting things with the wardrobe, so they did things right.

Also notice the cold weather gear in that one- when Kirk beams over to regula, remember that giant coat?

But generally, I think Starfleet decided to go with the same idea the army did with the BDUs- combine the fatigues and the service uniform. Replicators and/or very good cleaning and repair services, with scientific fabrics that were durable, breathe well and ere comfortable- why would you need to separate the two? It's not like starfleet needs camo much.
 
2012-07-29 04:09:49 PM  
Time to scale up. Set it out around the 27th or 28th century. The galaxy is close to being united, and Inter-galactic speeds are now possible. Start dealing with truly exotic species from other galaxies and move beyond the "ancient panspermia explains why everyone in this galaxy looks like humans with gobs of latex glued to their foreheads."

Learn from the evolution of television over the past decade. Instead of a season with 26 disjointed episodes that mostly disappoint, reduce the number of episodes and focus on production values. Create compelling story arcs and allow characters to develop. DS9 was on the right track, but still had a lot of filler episodes.

As much as I love ST, I just don't think the old formula will stand up against some of the great series that are out their right now.

Also, Romulus should be alive and well in this future, as about five minutes after Spock screwed the pooch on the first attempt, someone would have said, "Well, let's send another ship back in time a couple months and do it right this time."
 
2012-07-29 04:14:30 PM  

mark12A: Roddenberry gets around some of the more difficult aspects of Marxism with a device unavailable in our time: extreme plenty. Current markets are based on supply and demand. Roddenberry's Federation enjoys an overabundance of supply and unusually efficient delivery for most commodities, so it experiences considerably less demand, in ratio, than any known society to date. Humans don't have to work to meet even most of their luxury 'needs,' but still have the human need for purpose, so they've turned to self-improvement and learning as primary occupations.

That sounds quite plausible. Now if we could find some way to explain how the control freaks in power are restrained from micromanaging people's lives, and imposing their beliefs on others, we could have ourselves a complete explanation....


Emotional maturity as a species? Universal, high quality education that kept people from clinging to crap that made them feel better about themselves, and taught a value system of trying to improve everyone's life not just your own?

The entire point of Star Trek was to show what the human race could look like if we got over that crap.
 
2012-07-29 04:17:27 PM  

Mister Peejay: wildcardjack: I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.

Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated.


Voyager taught us that food still takes a lot of energy to replicate. There's still room for intellectual property licensing. Personal services. Items too large for replicators. Even if the food is free the world still has other wants and needs.
 
2012-07-29 04:40:35 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: There have been many lengthy essays and many lengthy and heated discussions about this question. My own sense is that Roddenberry never admitted it, but the Federation is essentially communist [...] there are no menial jobs, unless you happen to desire one for ...


I completely agree with you that it seems reasonable that Roddenberry was suggesting a kind of post-scarcity communism but backed off from spelling that out - quite wisely, I think - it's the future, it doesn't necessarily require 20th century definitions.

Roddenberry's Federation is liberal, rather than authoritarian (libertarian-left, so not like Soviet communism) so we see citizens are able to pursue a life as a trader, actor or anything else they so desire quite freely, and the freedom from limited resources has enabled art, discovery and the pursuit of knowledge to take over as mankind's driving force. It's such an overwhelmingly positive idea, the unseemly communist-like nature of it never seemed to troubled anyone. Although, saying that, were there any protests about Star Trek when it first aired from people worried that, if you scratched the surface, it was promoting communism?

Of course, there is an episode of TOS where Kirk tells Scotty he's "earned his pay for the week," and some people say this shows they do have money, but I think it's more likely it was just Kirk using a common phrase that's stuck; like we still use 'rule of thumb' even though nowadays it's not in the context of beating your wife. Not that this precludes the use of money; I don't see why money couldn't still exist in a post-scarcity society.

But overall sometimes you need to bend the rules to make a plot or a point work, and what with the number of different writers involved as well, it's really a fools task to assemble anything more than generalisations from various shows or throwaway lines.
 
2012-07-29 04:46:07 PM  

Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.


If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?
 
2012-07-29 04:51:19 PM  

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.
 
2012-07-29 05:07:38 PM  
The federation doesn't need money for themselves. But to go out beyond the federation and do trade and business with other less developed planets and cultures would reqire a universal currency such as latinum. Want to visit quark's world? Better have money. So doing some work that pays is still a benefit.
 
2012-07-29 05:23:59 PM  
About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I? I surely can't somehow earn enough money to buy his from him. So I'm farked. Wine drinking motherfarker, that's why I set his vineyard on fire and killed his family.

It just never made any sense and it's no use writing papers about it like someone up there said someone did. because the writers didn't put that much thought into it.
 
2012-07-29 05:26:25 PM  

Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I? I surely can't somehow earn enough money to buy his from him. So I'm farked. Wine drinking motherfarker, that's why I set his vineyard on fire and killed his family.

It just never made any sense and it's no use writing papers about it like someone up there said someone did. because the writers didn't put that much thought into it.


So learn the ropes at Picard's vineyard then settle on an m-class planet/moon and start your own.
 
2012-07-29 05:35:40 PM  

mark12A:
My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks. How do you divvy that up? How do you get people to work? What kind of training/indoctrination do you give children to create in them the desire to do productive things? DNA manipulation of brain structure? A race of humans with inborn compulsions to do stuff, much like how Border Collies are bred to herd things? It would be fun to see writers try to show that...


"Besides, you've just encountered the first hurdle in the psychology of abundance."

"Huh?"

"Don't grunt, Nickolai, it's not polite. Look, here on Pendor you're clothed and fed. Nobody's going to deny you basic survival... we've got the resources to easily make everybody obscenely wealthy, but they already are anyway. What you've just encountered is the wish to contribute, to be a part of the system. Congratulations- you now understand how Pendor works better than most Terrans."

"That's it? I contribute what I want when I can?"

"That's it. Don't you see it, though? You want to contribute. Whereas most Terrans are operating under the impression that they have to contribute... their very survival is at stake. The only place where these two systems ever really meet is in space, where you have to contribute to the ship, or you die... but then, you wanted to get on that ship."
 
jvl
2012-07-29 05:37:57 PM  
Easy solution: get Ron Moore to do it, let him decide exactly what it will be about, and keep the network execs the hell away from him.
 
2012-07-29 05:41:49 PM  

skodabunny: like we still use 'rule of thumb' even though nowadays it's not in the context of beating your wife.


Grrrrr. It was never used in that context. It means using your thumb as a ruler.

God help me, I wish I could completely stamp out this bit of folk etymology for good.
 
2012-07-29 05:50:35 PM  

jvl: Easy solution: get Ron Moore to do it, let him decide exactly what it will be about, and keep the network execs the hell away from him.


Well based on Moore's DS9 and his remake BSG I'm pretty sure it will involve:

1. A Scottish engineer with an asian wife
2. An ambiguously brown doctor or scientist with a secret
3. A B level character who will have to have a limb amputated, become depressed and angry
4. A story arc about the bad guy's occupation and how people suffer
5. Bad aliens that can look like us, leading to a downward spiral of distrust and paranoia
6. Enigmatic gods that are ultimately responsible for everything
7. A christ figure who is being led by the gods

/off the top of my head.
/recycles most of his themes and content
 
2012-07-29 05:57:09 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: No thanks. I'll stick with TNG Season 8.


Holy cats, that's hysterical. Funniest thing I've seen in awhile.
 
2012-07-29 06:07:59 PM  

Wolf892: The federation doesn't need money for themselves. But to go out beyond the federation and do trade and business with other less developed planets and cultures would reqire a universal currency such as latinum. Want to visit quark's world? Better have money. So doing some work that pays is still a benefit.


What I read about latinum is that it supposely can't be replicated, making it one of the few genuinely limited resources of that reality. Gold is easily replicated, though, and all kinds of things are made of gold, or gold alloys, such as the com badges. Latinum is apparently stable only in liquid state, and so it's 'pressed' (jacketed) in gold, making it look for all the word like gold. There's an amusing episode where Quark thinks he's obtained a hold full of latinum bricks, only to find out that they're all just "useless gold." One of the reasons the Ferengi aren't intimidated by the Federation folks is that they absolutely demand latinum for most payments, and the Federation can't create it but has to obtain it normally.
 
2012-07-29 06:09:49 PM  

awfulperson: I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.


I'm seein' a pattern here.
 
2012-07-29 06:15:23 PM  

PsyLord: Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor?


In general, people in the Star Trek universe seem polite enough to set their phasers on stun except when they have a good reason not to. That armor's just going to make them jack up the power, and the occasional headshot is going to actually kill you.
 
2012-07-29 06:19:47 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: One of the reasons the Ferengi aren't intimidated by the Federation folks is that they absolutely demand latinum for most payments, and the Federation can't create it but has to obtain it normally.


Yeah but Federation people bought stuff all the time, whenever the plot served it, even beyond the Ferengi. It's just not a consistent plot point, and there's no making sense of it.
 
2012-07-29 06:29:24 PM  
aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

Why!? AtlanticCoast63, why did you DO that??

[throws high velocity snarfix through engine 2's intake]
 
2012-07-29 06:33:47 PM  

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?



skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.


If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

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2012-07-29 07:06:43 PM  

Cyno01: If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.


True, but anyone can overlook second-rate animation if the script isn't a pile of shiat.
 
2012-07-29 07:15:01 PM  

Wolf892: The federation doesn't need money for themselves.


JAKE: Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity.
NOG: What does that mean exactly?
JAKE: It means... it means we don't need money.
NOG: Well if you don't need money, then you certainly don't need mine.

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2012-07-29 07:24:12 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).


Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.
 
2012-07-29 07:41:02 PM  

Actual Farking: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).

Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.


ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-07-29 07:53:57 PM  
www.geeksofdoom.com


Make it so.


blog.newsok.com
 
2012-07-29 08:02:26 PM  

Actual Farking: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).

Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.


Naiomi WIldman's mother essentially disappeared those last few seasons.

Why?

She was trussed up in Neelix's hydroponic garden, being violated by Talaxian carrots, and Neelix's spiney penis.

/it was voluntary, for the most part.
 
2012-07-29 08:17:32 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Actual Farking: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).

Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.

Naiomi WIldman's mother essentially disappeared those last few seasons.

Why?

She was trussed up in Neelix's hydroponic garden, being violated by Talaxian carrots, and Neelix's spiney penis.

/it was voluntary, for the most part.


The real reason she disappeared is hilarious, and a great example of all that was wrong with Voyager. The writers thought they had already killed her off and didn't know she was still alive.
 
2012-07-29 08:31:12 PM  
Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

greenobles.com
content6.flixster.com
 
2012-07-29 08:41:52 PM  

Cyno01: Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

[greenobles.com image 425x628]
[content6.flixster.com image 240x360]


I so did not need to see that.
 
2012-07-29 09:51:20 PM  

Fat-D: FFS, just let ST die.


If you don't like it, there's what, 200 channels on cable, thousands of movies and TV shows available on Hulu and Netflix, and hundreds of movies coming out every year. Watch something else and find another thread to try to prove how little you care about something that other people really like.
 
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