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2012-07-29 12:45:49 PM  
No More Tachyons to be be the cause of and solution to half the problems that are encountered.
 
2012-07-29 12:46:27 PM  

NeoCortex42: I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.


So, always be the abandoned hulk that the flagship is called to investigate?

/all our shirts are red, why do you ask?
 
2012-07-29 12:47:59 PM  
If they can get Ron Moore back on board for a series, and keep B&B the hell away from it, they have a chance.
 
2012-07-29 12:53:41 PM  

BolloxReader: NeoCortex42: I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

So, always be the abandoned hulk that the flagship is called to investigate?

/all our shirts are red, why do you ask?


Or just have it be the ship that goes to follow up in the wake of all the cultural damage Kirk causes. Have more long-term plots instead of "new discovery that's not mentioned the following week".
 
2012-07-29 12:59:10 PM  
FFS, just let ST die.
 
2012-07-29 12:59:28 PM  

tomWright: or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?


I could go for that. It might be too much of a downer for the mass market success the studios crave, and it would get the AGW deniers all up in arms.

Not to threadjack, but I have you Farkied as a denier, so it's funny to me you brought up Bacigalupi's fiction. ; )
 
2012-07-29 01:03:42 PM  

NeoCortex42: Or just have it be the ship that goes to follow up in the wake of all the cultural damage Kirk causes.


A ship of social workers that goes out to collect, counsel and put up for adoption all of the human-alien hybrids Kirk's fathered.
 
2012-07-29 01:04:09 PM  

Fat-D: FFS, just let ST die.


LOL. I wouldn't apply for that gig as Paramount studio executive just yet.
 
2012-07-29 01:10:39 PM  

tomWright: Time to move on.


It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the Mass Effect universe just opened up for use. Bioware did a great job of establishing a base, and the writing wasn't the worst. I'm sure letting other studios take a crack at the universe could produce some cool stuff. Just add a "no Shepard" clause to the contract, keeping them away from the story of the games and let imagination run wild.
 
2012-07-29 01:10:55 PM  
I would like to see a show that's after Enterprise but well before Tos. Could explore an early first first attempt at a mixed races ship
 
2012-07-29 01:18:01 PM  
I dont know about the show, but that pic at the top of TFA isnt gonna end well for the Starfleet ships...a cruiser, frigate/destroyer, and a tug against 4 D7 battlecruisers, not good.
 
2012-07-29 01:19:26 PM  

theorellior: tomWright: or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

I could go for that. It might be too much of a downer for the mass market success the studios crave, and it would get the AGW deniers all up in arms.

Not to threadjack, but I have you Farkied as a denier, so it's funny to me you brought up Bacigalupi's fiction. ; )


The fact you have me as a 'denier' says more about you, and the political environment of the past decade or so, than me. Though It may also have something to say about how poorly I communicate. I am a skeptic, about everything. Especially things that have politics or religion wrapped up in them. (What was that South Park episode again...).

So far as Baci's fiction goes, they are well written stories, imaginative, with well developed characters. The character of Emiko, the windup girl, or of Tool the half-man would make characters like Data or Spock or Warf look like stick figures, if they were ever presented properly.

I do think that making them into a series for TV would be difficult, just to avoid the inevitable moralizing that screenwriters, directors and actors would feel compelled to inject, beyond what is implied in the setting of the stories. They might make better individual series with defined arcs but it would be difficult for TV executives to resist milking them beyond the end of the story.

One thing I have found though, is while you can often garner a lot about an authors beliefs from their writing, often the stories are written as a warning of what might be, not what they want to happen, or what they think might happen. Understanding that, I can read many authors without the need to oppress my curiosity. I might only read one or two works if they are too heavy handed with the moralizing, or if they too much time in political exposition. But I have no problem with a wide range of views being presented. Most have something positive to offer. It is rare I can not at least finish a book. It has to be pretty bad in many aspects for me to put it down or bore me into dropping it.
 
2012-07-29 01:22:29 PM  
Dear Star Trek, please not spaceships with single pods. They look like the Devil's work. Thank you.
 
2012-07-29 01:24:29 PM  

Mentalpatient87: tomWright: Time to move on.

It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the Mass Effect universe just opened up for use. Bioware did a great job of establishing a base, and the writing wasn't the worst. I'm sure letting other studios take a crack at the universe could produce some cool stuff. Just add a "no Shepard" clause to the contract, keeping them away from the story of the games and let imagination run wild.


Yeah, you are probably right. I have no problem with more Star Trek per se., it's just that these seem to take all the oxygen out of the room for others. SO all we get is the same premise with characters that are like 3 day old pizza refreshed in the oven.

One thing I am hoping for, with the spread of better and cheaper technology for video making, (animation, HD, etc) and distribution over the net, is that more of these books can be translated into video series so more people are exposed to the ideas and authors.

The world needs more than Stephen King and J K Rowling.
 
2012-07-29 01:25:30 PM  

theorellior: NeoCortex42: Or just have it be the ship that goes to follow up in the wake of all the cultural damage Kirk causes.

A ship of social workers that goes out to collect, counsel and put up for adoption all of the human-alien hybrids Kirk's fathered.


Hell, you could probably fully staff a ship with Kirk's offspring.
 
2012-07-29 01:29:54 PM  

tomWright: Mentalpatient87: tomWright: Time to move on.

It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the Mass Effect universe just opened up for use. Bioware did a great job of establishing a base, and the writing wasn't the worst. I'm sure letting other studios take a crack at the universe could produce some cool stuff. Just add a "no Shepard" clause to the contract, keeping them away from the story of the games and let imagination run wild.

Yeah, you are probably right. I have no problem with more Star Trek per se., it's just that these seem to take all the oxygen out of the room for others. SO all we get is the same premise with characters that are like 3 day old pizza refreshed in the oven.

One thing I am hoping for, with the spread of better and cheaper technology for video making, (animation, HD, etc) and distribution over the net, is that more of these books can be translated into video series so more people are exposed to the ideas and authors.

The world needs more than Stephen King and J K Rowling.


Actually, one thing that I might like to see would be if CBS/Paramount loosened up the rights for Star Trek and allowed fan productions of some of the books using Flash/CGI animation.
 
2012-07-29 01:33:15 PM  

NeoCortex42:

Actually, one thing that I might like to see would be if CBS/Paramount loosened up the rights for Star Trek and allowed fan productions of some of the books using Flash/CGI animation.


That would be cool.

I wonder if Tor might be up for something like that for books/stories they have rights to?
 
2012-07-29 01:35:20 PM  

Sultan Of Herf: I dont know about the show, but that pic at the top of TFA isnt gonna end well for the Starfleet ships...a cruiser, frigate/destroyer, and a tug against 4 D7 battlecruisers, not good.


I see no phaser banks. That makes it a Hermes scout, not a Saladin destroyer.
 
2012-07-29 01:37:37 PM  
A new Star Trek needs to look forward, not backward. It can't be about rekindling nostalgia for past Star Trek. I have doubts that anybody put in charge of Star Trek would be willing or able to change it as radically as Roddenberry did between TOS and TNG. They're going to be paralyzed by what Star Trek is expected to consist of. The real question should be what did Star Trek DO to audiences 25-50 years ago, and what will do that do today's audience? The proper form will follow the function.
 
2012-07-29 01:38:29 PM  
Dominion vs Borg would be interesting.
 
2012-07-29 01:46:54 PM  

tomWright: NeoCortex42:

Actually, one thing that I might like to see would be if CBS/Paramount loosened up the rights for Star Trek and allowed fan productions of some of the books using Flash/CGI animation.

That would be cool.

I wonder if Tor might be up for something like that for books/stories they have rights to?


I haven't read any of the more recent Trek books, but back in the 90's they had some good ones. There was one series focused on the Q, which even confirmed Trelane as a young Q. A story like that would be expensive to produce in live-action, but could suit animation quite well. I also remember liking Shatner's attempt to revive Kirk as a lot better than I expected.
 
2012-07-29 01:51:06 PM  
Q.
 
2012-07-29 01:51:54 PM  

NeoCortex42: tomWright: NeoCortex42:

Actually, one thing that I might like to see would be if CBS/Paramount loosened up the rights for Star Trek and allowed fan productions of some of the books using Flash/CGI animation.

That would be cool.

I wonder if Tor might be up for something like that for books/stories they have rights to?

I haven't read any of the more recent Trek books, but back in the 90's they had some good ones. There was one series focused on the Q, which even confirmed Trelane as a young Q. A story like that would be expensive to produce in live-action, but could suit animation quite well. I also remember liking Shatner's attempt to revive Kirk as a lot better than I expected.


I wander over to the Tor site a couple times a year. They publish a lot, and I mean a LOT, of web-only short-stories in their site, as well as previews of upcoming printed fiction, and lots of commentary.

As a matter of fact, I have not been there for a while, I need to check out the current stuff.
 
2012-07-29 01:56:32 PM  

tomWright: I do think that making them into a series for TV would be difficult, just to avoid the inevitable moralizing that screenwriters, directors and actors would feel compelled to inject, beyond what is implied in the setting of the stories. They might make better individual series with defined arcs but it would be difficult for TV executives to resist milking them beyond the end of the story.


They would be well-served using the BBC formula of "long miniseries" with an arc and formal resolution than the US formula of "running it until it crashes and burns".

tomWright: The fact you have me as a 'denier' says more about you, and the political environment of the past decade or so, than me. Though It may also have something to say about how poorly I communicate. I am a skeptic, about everything. Especially things that have politics or religion wrapped up in them. (What was that South Park episode again...).


Religion? LOL. Politics, sure. At any rate, you're no Warm Magma Squirter, so no worries.
 
2012-07-29 02:02:36 PM  

tomWright: Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.

How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?


Or Greg Bear's Eon?
 
2012-07-29 02:04:06 PM  
Screw the Abrams time line.

I'd like to see something set in the "real" / TNG expanded universe, maybe something 10-25 years past the end of DS9/Voyager. Time enough for universe/story line changes, close enough for guest stars and being able to use old story lines.
 
2012-07-29 02:07:47 PM  
I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.
 
2012-07-29 02:07:48 PM  

Ivo Shandor: tomWright: Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.

How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

Or Greg Bear's Eon?



That was cool. And yes, that and countless others.

Looks like retirement in 10 years or so will be very entertaining.

/Now I just need to figure out how to afford the concubines I'll be set...

//This got sent to another thread. My fail or Fark fail?
 
2012-07-29 02:10:47 PM  
Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor? You'd figure that would be something important for security personnel.
 
2012-07-29 02:14:02 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Screw the Abrams time line.


This.
 
2012-07-29 02:15:27 PM  

DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.


They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.
 
2012-07-29 02:19:52 PM  
Screw the Abrams time line.

I'd like to see something set in the "real" / TNG expanded universe, maybe something 10-25 years past the end of DS9/Voyager. Time enough for universe/story line changes, close enough for guest stars and being able to use old story lines.


THIS!!!!!

There is still so much to explore. The singularity, its effects on society when people transfer their minds into machines and go on indefinitely, and what about plots about unlimited DNA manipulation, and the consequences (like Tribbles that sit in your lap and "pleasure" you), and they've never explored all the real life consequences of Holo-Decks (if such a thing existed, who would want to leave one? Would one want to deal with real relationships? Ration Holo-Decks?)

I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)

I'd like to see some episodes filmed like a Discovery Channel documentary, featuring missions where new phenomenon are encountered, or historical discoveries made. Handheld cameras, interviewing crewmen...adds an enhanced feel of realism to the whole thing.

But I'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-07-29 02:20:44 PM  

wildcardjack: I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.


Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated.
 
2012-07-29 02:23:15 PM  

Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.


Don't forget modifying the deflector dish to attack some time-traveling Borg after someone gets stuck in the holodeck.

Oh, nevermind, that was half of First Contact.
 
2012-07-29 02:24:07 PM  

mark12A: I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)


It doesn't. That's one things I hope the Abrams timeline would drop, the inconsistent idea that there's no money. Except when there is.
 
2012-07-29 02:24:17 PM  

Mugato: DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.

They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.


DS9 had some reasonable uniforms towards the end.

PsyLord: Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor? You'd figure that would be something important for security personnel.


What could they use? The attacker would just turn up the power setting for their phasers. Phasers can cut though nearly anything (unless it's plot convenient not to). Or if there is a useful shield, just give everybody one of those awesome teleporting rifles.
 
2012-07-29 02:25:20 PM  

NeoCortex42: DS9 had some reasonable uniforms towards the end.


Yeah, they did. That would be the second closest thing to a uniform Trek ever had. But they were still jumpsuits.
 
2012-07-29 02:25:24 PM  

Peach_Fuz: Dominion vs Borg would be interesting.


No it wouldn't.
 
2012-07-29 02:26:31 PM  
No thanks. I'll stick with TNG Season 8.
 
2012-07-29 02:28:21 PM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: DS9 had some reasonable uniforms towards the end.

Yeah, they did. That would be the second closest thing to a uniform Trek ever had. But they were still jumpsuits.


The jackets helped a lot. Also, the admirals having an actual belt buckle made a good difference.
 
2012-07-29 02:29:06 PM  

Mugato: mark12A: I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)

It doesn't. That's one things I hope the Abrams timeline would drop, the inconsistent idea that there's no money. Except when there is.


I'd pay 500 Quatloos to see that
 
2012-07-29 02:37:12 PM  

mark12A: and what about plots about unlimited DNA manipulation, and the consequences (like Tribbles that sit in your lap and "pleasure" you),


It's hinted that DNA diddling is forbidden, to the point that the very concept is repulsive.

and they've never explored all the real life consequences of Holo-Decks (if such a thing existed, who would want to leave one? Would one want to deal with real relationships? Ration Holo-Decks?)

Reg Barclay had/has a holodeck problem. They dedicated a whole episode of TNG to it, and they touched on it a few more times.

I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)

This. Pure meritocracy? (Oddly enough, right now I'm reading a series set in a moneyless culture of high abundance, but it requires rather a lot MORE automation and abundance than exists in the ST universe. And a cultural paradigm shift or two.)
 
2012-07-29 02:39:07 PM  
Every single Star Trek series I've seen has been really, really bad. Even most 'fans' of Star Trek will admit that a whole bunch of episodes, or even entire seasons, of the show is crap - for whichever particular show you want to talk about. I made the mistake of trying to watch all the TNG episodes...only to realize how crappy it was. Then I went online and found that most people seemed to agree.

I love the idea of Star Trek - but after trying to watch TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, the original, and DS-9.....I'm just like meh. I have absolute zero faith in their ability to pull off a decent show.

Truthfully - it just seems played out. I'd rather see another generic 'space sci-fi show' than another Star Trek. A new Star Trek comes with so much baggage. The same races, the same stereotypes, the same expectations, the same 'bad guys'....the same 'OMG the Holodeck is malfunctioning....'
 
2012-07-29 02:39:09 PM  

Mister Peejay: It's hinted that DNA diddling is forbidden, to the point that the very concept is repulsive.


More than hinted. DS9 had a recurring plot about Bashir concerning his genetic manipulation.
 
2012-07-29 02:40:46 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: No thanks. I'll stick with TNG Season 8.


TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

The crew discovers a planet populated by billions of Riker clones. Picard brokers peace between the bearded majority and non-bearded rebels.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

A deligation of alien hummingbirds secretly plan to drink Wesley. It's a challenge, but Riker still manages to hook up with one.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

Caretakers of a planet-sized library steal Data's brain to store their massive catalog. Picard won't shut up about chess.
 
2012-07-29 02:41:14 PM  
Mugato: mark12A: I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)

It doesn't. That's one things I hope the Abrams timeline would drop, the inconsistent idea that there's no money. Except when there is.

I'd pay 500 Quatloos to see that


My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks. How do you divvy that up? How do you get people to work? What kind of training/indoctrination do you give children to create in them the desire to do productive things? DNA manipulation of brain structure? A race of humans with inborn compulsions to do stuff, much like how Border Collies are bred to herd things? It would be fun to see writers try to show that...
 
2012-07-29 02:42:42 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: Every single Star Trek series I've seen has been really, really bad. Even most 'fans' of Star Trek will admit that a whole bunch of episodes, or even entire seasons, of the show is crap - for whichever particular show you want to talk about. I made the mistake of trying to watch all the TNG episodes...only to realize how crappy it was. Then I went online and found that most people seemed to agree.

I love the idea of Star Trek - but after trying to watch TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, the original, and DS-9.....I'm just like meh. I have absolute zero faith in their ability to pull off a decent show.

Truthfully - it just seems played out. I'd rather see another generic 'space sci-fi show' than another Star Trek. A new Star Trek comes with so much baggage. The same races, the same stereotypes, the same expectations, the same 'bad guys'....the same 'OMG the Holodeck is malfunctioning....'


I'd say most Trek fans agree that there are many low points in the shows, but that the good points more than make up for them.
TOS had two great seasons and one mostly terrible one.
TNG had 1+ terrible seasons, a few seasons of greatness, and otherwise decent
DS9 started off passable, then got great around Season 3
Voyager was crap, except for a handful of episodes
Enterprise is the red-headed stepchild that doesn't really get an honest shot. Was alright from the beginning, but got good and nobody noticed.

Even the first season of TNG had some great episodes like Conspiracy and Datalore.
 
2012-07-29 02:43:18 PM  

DarthBart: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.

That's "Disaster". The ship hits something, jacks everything up, and it's where we discover Troi doesn't know the difference between a warp core and a Mr Coffee.


I think it might have been titled "Catastrophe," actually. The Enterprise hits a superstring (no, it didn't make any sense to me, either) and has a kind of quasi-Titanic experience of trying to recover from the accident. I mostly remember Picard being stuck in a busted turbolift with some kids.

I didn't like TNG much, so I don't remember a lot of it clearly now because I didn't want to. I know that makes me sound like a jerk, but I really wanted to like it. It just irritated me in a lot of ways, nearly constantly.
 
2012-07-29 02:45:09 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I think it might have been titled "Catastrophe," actually. The Enterprise hits a superstring (no, it didn't make any sense to me, either) and has a kind of quasi-Titanic experience of trying to recover from the accident. I mostly remember Picard being stuck in a busted turbolift with some kids.


It was called "Disaster" and had the ship run into a quantum filament while Troi was in charge of the bridge. Also featured Picard singing with the kids in the turbolift at one point. Not a bad episode overall.
 
2012-07-29 02:47:35 PM  

thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.


They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).
 
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