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2012-07-29 07:45:06 AM
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2012-07-29 08:50:45 AM

FirstNationalBastard: #11:

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Hay, old enough to go to the replicator....
 
2012-07-29 09:31:01 AM
And Roberto Orci said that talks about a new Star Trek TV show are "almost real."

God, who did this Orci character blow to keep getting work? He's everywhere and he sucks.
 
2012-07-29 09:54:18 AM
1. See if it is possible to write a Season 1 that doesn't suck
2. The reason they went back is because the books have pretty well fleshed out a good chunk of time after 2400. That makes going into the future hard. Either you've got to incorporate all of them, and correctly, or you overwrite everything. Either way you're going to piss off the die-hards that read them. And no, I'm not one of them, but I've read through a synopsis of a few of them and the books seem pretty strange. So good luck with that. Also, the future quickly gets boring. You've got to keep coming up with bigger and bigger enemies and problems because everything else gets solved. ST never really explores the societal effects of technology, so you could probably have fun with that. It just wouldn't be Star Trek really.

FirstNationalBastard: #11:

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2012-07-29 10:02:07 AM

GAT_00: 1. See if it is possible to write a Season 1 that doesn't suck
2. The reason they went back is because the books have pretty well fleshed out a good chunk of time after 2400. That makes going into the future hard. Either you've got to incorporate all of them, and correctly, or you overwrite everything. Either way you're going to piss off the die-hards that read them. And no, I'm not one of them, but I've read through a synopsis of a few of them and the books seem pretty strange. So good luck with that. Also, the future quickly gets boring. You've got to keep coming up with bigger and bigger enemies and problems because everything else gets solved. ST never really explores the societal effects of technology, so you could probably have fun with that. It just wouldn't be Star Trek really.

FirstNationalBastard: #11:

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IIRC, they're only going up to 2409 with the new Trek game stuff. If you jump a century past TNG, there's plenty of wide open space to explore things.

Plus, everyone just figures that something bad will have happened to the Federation by that time, which opens up possibilities... Something more along the lines of DS9 than the perfect Federation of TNG, which would also allow exploration of the societal effects of technology.

Would the Federation's high minded ideals still survive if they didn't have the energy to power their replicators and keep everyone fed, clothed, and sheltered?
 
2012-07-29 10:06:06 AM
I really doubt they're going to pay attention to the expanded universe with a new show. The number of people who would be pissed about the EU being violated has to be minuscule and even they'll still watch it.

Hell the last movie violated canon and it was a huge hit.

/yeah, yeah alternate time line. bullshiat.
 
2012-07-29 10:06:38 AM

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: 1. See if it is possible to write a Season 1 that doesn't suck
2. The reason they went back is because the books have pretty well fleshed out a good chunk of time after 2400. That makes going into the future hard. Either you've got to incorporate all of them, and correctly, or you overwrite everything. Either way you're going to piss off the die-hards that read them. And no, I'm not one of them, but I've read through a synopsis of a few of them and the books seem pretty strange. So good luck with that. Also, the future quickly gets boring. You've got to keep coming up with bigger and bigger enemies and problems because everything else gets solved. ST never really explores the societal effects of technology, so you could probably have fun with that. It just wouldn't be Star Trek really.

FirstNationalBastard: #11:

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IIRC, they're only going up to 2409 with the new Trek game stuff. If you jump a century past TNG, there's plenty of wide open space to explore things.

Plus, everyone just figures that something bad will have happened to the Federation by that time, which opens up possibilities... Something more along the lines of DS9 than the perfect Federation of TNG, which would also allow exploration of the societal effects of technology.

Would the Federation's high minded ideals still survive if they didn't have the energy to power their replicators and keep everyone fed, clothed, and sheltered?


Wasn't there a pitch that was more or less this recently? Can't remember who. 2600 or so, the Federation is collapsing, one last honest crew to save everything.

Also, we know the Federation survives to the year 3000.
 
2012-07-29 10:08:56 AM
Paramount always likes to get another 200+ episode syndication meal ticket generator. It won't happen until at least 2015. Once the movie universe is established then a series in another time (or the future of the Abrams line) would make more sense.

I'm also betting on an Asian captain this time.
 
2012-07-29 10:18:39 AM

Tr0mBoNe: Paramount always likes to get another 200+ episode syndication meal ticket generator.


TOS: 79 episodes
TNG: 178
DS9: 176
VOY: 172
ENT: 98
 
2012-07-29 10:25:36 AM
I'd still like to see a series that sets up the gradual change from the ST Federation to Andromeda's Commonwealth.
 
2012-07-29 10:33:01 AM

GAT_00: TOS: 79 episodes


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...about thirty good ones

/Weeellssshhhiiiiieeeee!!!
 
2012-07-29 11:16:48 AM
lets get this thread going
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2012-07-29 11:22:26 AM

Tr0mBoNe: Paramount always likes to get another 200+ episode syndication meal ticket generator. It won't happen until at least 2015. Once the movie universe is established then a series in another time (or the future of the Abrams line) would make more sense.

I'm also betting on an Asian captain this time.


I'd be all about a series so far in the future that you don't know which universe's future its set in.

Need a high ranking Muslim officer with a big bushy beard and head towel that matches his uniform. Or maybe even female Muslim officer in a burqa.
They keep saying they're going to have an openly gay character, but i figure that will really hurt their ratings at this point so they'll pussy out.
 
2012-07-29 11:34:46 AM
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2012-07-29 11:36:55 AM

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The Internet worries me some times.
 
2012-07-29 11:44:02 AM

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lol
 
2012-07-29 11:46:24 AM
I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.
 
2012-07-29 11:48:59 AM

GAT_00: Mentat: [img202.imageshack.us image 399x1500]

The Internet worries me some times.




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2012-07-29 11:51:25 AM

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: Mentat: [img202.imageshack.us image 399x1500]

The Internet worries me some times.



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Captain, we know how much you've missed Kamala, so we figured we'd get you a replacement.

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What's the Captain Picard Day episode? Is that the one where he gets trapped in the turbolift with the kids?
 
2012-07-29 11:51:36 AM
Subby: "10 things to expect..."
TFA: "10 things we'd like to see..."

I'd insult your intelligence, subtard, but I don't think you'd be able to comprehend the words.
 
2012-07-29 11:52:51 AM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: Mentat: [img202.imageshack.us image 399x1500]

The Internet worries me some times.



[i413.photobucket.com image 694x530]

Captain, we know how much you've missed Kamala, so we figured we'd get you a replacement.

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What's the Captain Picard Day episode? Is that the one where he gets trapped in the turbolift with the kids?


The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.
 
2012-07-29 11:54:15 AM
11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.
 
2012-07-29 11:54:15 AM

FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.


I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.
 
2012-07-29 11:55:23 AM

Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.


Thanks for stating the obvious, Troi
 
2012-07-29 11:56:28 AM

serial_crusher: Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.

Thanks for stating the obvious, Troi


Well, he did crash into the thread.
 
2012-07-29 11:56:29 AM
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2012-07-29 11:57:43 AM
How about killing a main character every so often.
 
2012-07-29 11:58:21 AM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.


That's "Disaster". The ship hits something, jacks everything up, and it's where we discover Troi doesn't know the difference between a warp core and a Mr Coffee.
 
2012-07-29 11:58:22 AM

GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.


It was part of a really good run of mid-season episodes from the final season.

Of course, there were some horrible episodes in between the great ones.
 
2012-07-29 11:59:25 AM

Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.


They should do an episode with Nazis
 
2012-07-29 11:59:44 AM

DarthBart: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.

That's "Disaster". The ship hits something, jacks everything up, and it's where we discover Troi doesn't know the difference between a warp core and a Mr Coffee.


It was the outfit.

As soon as Captain Jellico made her wear a real uniform the next season, she knew everything about the artificial singularities that powered Romulan ships.
 
2012-07-29 11:59:56 AM
How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.
 
2012-07-29 12:01:56 PM
Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.
 
2012-07-29 12:02:42 PM
As long as they have DS9 style story arcs, minimize the use of time travel, and set it in a post Voyager era.
 
2012-07-29 12:03:03 PM

PsyLord: How about killing a main character every so often.


Like Tasha Yar?
 
2012-07-29 12:03:18 PM
1) No more prequels.

2) No more reboots.

3) No more J.J.

4) No teenagers or cadets.

I will not watch Star Trek that contains any of those things.
 
2012-07-29 12:08:29 PM

Mentat: PsyLord: How about killing a main character every so often.

Like Tasha Yar?


And Jadzia Dax, etc. But more frequent terminations.
 
2012-07-29 12:10:37 PM
how bout just doin the show where the Klingon and federation are beating each other silly?
 
2012-07-29 12:12:43 PM

tomWright: Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.


You remind me of the comic book fans wondering why the companies keep doing all these Avengers related movies when they could be doing a Forbush Man vs. Paste Pot Pete movie instead.
 
2012-07-29 12:17:24 PM
I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.
 
2012-07-29 12:17:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.

It was part of a really good run of mid-season episodes from the final season.

Of course, there were some horrible episodes in between the great ones.


I remember the bit about Riker's ship in the asteroid, but that's it.
 
2012-07-29 12:18:29 PM

awfulperson: I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.


...you live up to your username.
 
2012-07-29 12:19:42 PM
No mention of Star Trek Continues? A new series and not a hint in TFA.
 
2012-07-29 12:20:20 PM
Star Trek was always written by actual Sci-Fi writers.

/They just weren't any good at it.
 
2012-07-29 12:21:15 PM
Also missing. No humanoid based species
 
2012-07-29 12:22:05 PM

awfulperson: Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.


As long as there's an episode where he farks the descendant of that one trisexual character from enterprise, and the ghost that Beverly Crusher farked on Planet Scotland.
 
2012-07-29 12:23:52 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species


So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.
 
2012-07-29 12:30:19 PM
I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.
 
2012-07-29 12:34:46 PM
You all have some ideas but with Robert Orci writing I really wouldn't expect much.
 
2012-07-29 12:41:06 PM

GAT_00: The Internet worries me some times.


Only some times?
 
2012-07-29 12:45:49 PM
No More Tachyons to be be the cause of and solution to half the problems that are encountered.
 
2012-07-29 12:46:27 PM

NeoCortex42: I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.


So, always be the abandoned hulk that the flagship is called to investigate?

/all our shirts are red, why do you ask?
 
2012-07-29 12:47:59 PM
If they can get Ron Moore back on board for a series, and keep B&B the hell away from it, they have a chance.
 
2012-07-29 12:53:41 PM

BolloxReader: NeoCortex42: I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

So, always be the abandoned hulk that the flagship is called to investigate?

/all our shirts are red, why do you ask?


Or just have it be the ship that goes to follow up in the wake of all the cultural damage Kirk causes. Have more long-term plots instead of "new discovery that's not mentioned the following week".
 
2012-07-29 12:59:10 PM
FFS, just let ST die.
 
2012-07-29 12:59:28 PM

tomWright: or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?


I could go for that. It might be too much of a downer for the mass market success the studios crave, and it would get the AGW deniers all up in arms.

Not to threadjack, but I have you Farkied as a denier, so it's funny to me you brought up Bacigalupi's fiction. ; )
 
2012-07-29 01:03:42 PM

NeoCortex42: Or just have it be the ship that goes to follow up in the wake of all the cultural damage Kirk causes.


A ship of social workers that goes out to collect, counsel and put up for adoption all of the human-alien hybrids Kirk's fathered.
 
2012-07-29 01:04:09 PM

Fat-D: FFS, just let ST die.


LOL. I wouldn't apply for that gig as Paramount studio executive just yet.
 
2012-07-29 01:10:39 PM

tomWright: Time to move on.


It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the Mass Effect universe just opened up for use. Bioware did a great job of establishing a base, and the writing wasn't the worst. I'm sure letting other studios take a crack at the universe could produce some cool stuff. Just add a "no Shepard" clause to the contract, keeping them away from the story of the games and let imagination run wild.
 
2012-07-29 01:10:55 PM
I would like to see a show that's after Enterprise but well before Tos. Could explore an early first first attempt at a mixed races ship
 
2012-07-29 01:18:01 PM
I dont know about the show, but that pic at the top of TFA isnt gonna end well for the Starfleet ships...a cruiser, frigate/destroyer, and a tug against 4 D7 battlecruisers, not good.
 
2012-07-29 01:19:26 PM

theorellior: tomWright: or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

I could go for that. It might be too much of a downer for the mass market success the studios crave, and it would get the AGW deniers all up in arms.

Not to threadjack, but I have you Farkied as a denier, so it's funny to me you brought up Bacigalupi's fiction. ; )


The fact you have me as a 'denier' says more about you, and the political environment of the past decade or so, than me. Though It may also have something to say about how poorly I communicate. I am a skeptic, about everything. Especially things that have politics or religion wrapped up in them. (What was that South Park episode again...).

So far as Baci's fiction goes, they are well written stories, imaginative, with well developed characters. The character of Emiko, the windup girl, or of Tool the half-man would make characters like Data or Spock or Warf look like stick figures, if they were ever presented properly.

I do think that making them into a series for TV would be difficult, just to avoid the inevitable moralizing that screenwriters, directors and actors would feel compelled to inject, beyond what is implied in the setting of the stories. They might make better individual series with defined arcs but it would be difficult for TV executives to resist milking them beyond the end of the story.

One thing I have found though, is while you can often garner a lot about an authors beliefs from their writing, often the stories are written as a warning of what might be, not what they want to happen, or what they think might happen. Understanding that, I can read many authors without the need to oppress my curiosity. I might only read one or two works if they are too heavy handed with the moralizing, or if they too much time in political exposition. But I have no problem with a wide range of views being presented. Most have something positive to offer. It is rare I can not at least finish a book. It has to be pretty bad in many aspects for me to put it down or bore me into dropping it.
 
2012-07-29 01:22:29 PM
Dear Star Trek, please not spaceships with single pods. They look like the Devil's work. Thank you.
 
2012-07-29 01:24:29 PM

Mentalpatient87: tomWright: Time to move on.

It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the Mass Effect universe just opened up for use. Bioware did a great job of establishing a base, and the writing wasn't the worst. I'm sure letting other studios take a crack at the universe could produce some cool stuff. Just add a "no Shepard" clause to the contract, keeping them away from the story of the games and let imagination run wild.


Yeah, you are probably right. I have no problem with more Star Trek per se., it's just that these seem to take all the oxygen out of the room for others. SO all we get is the same premise with characters that are like 3 day old pizza refreshed in the oven.

One thing I am hoping for, with the spread of better and cheaper technology for video making, (animation, HD, etc) and distribution over the net, is that more of these books can be translated into video series so more people are exposed to the ideas and authors.

The world needs more than Stephen King and J K Rowling.
 
2012-07-29 01:25:30 PM

theorellior: NeoCortex42: Or just have it be the ship that goes to follow up in the wake of all the cultural damage Kirk causes.

A ship of social workers that goes out to collect, counsel and put up for adoption all of the human-alien hybrids Kirk's fathered.


Hell, you could probably fully staff a ship with Kirk's offspring.
 
2012-07-29 01:29:54 PM

tomWright: Mentalpatient87: tomWright: Time to move on.

It'll never happen, but I'd love to see the Mass Effect universe just opened up for use. Bioware did a great job of establishing a base, and the writing wasn't the worst. I'm sure letting other studios take a crack at the universe could produce some cool stuff. Just add a "no Shepard" clause to the contract, keeping them away from the story of the games and let imagination run wild.

Yeah, you are probably right. I have no problem with more Star Trek per se., it's just that these seem to take all the oxygen out of the room for others. SO all we get is the same premise with characters that are like 3 day old pizza refreshed in the oven.

One thing I am hoping for, with the spread of better and cheaper technology for video making, (animation, HD, etc) and distribution over the net, is that more of these books can be translated into video series so more people are exposed to the ideas and authors.

The world needs more than Stephen King and J K Rowling.


Actually, one thing that I might like to see would be if CBS/Paramount loosened up the rights for Star Trek and allowed fan productions of some of the books using Flash/CGI animation.
 
2012-07-29 01:33:15 PM

NeoCortex42:

Actually, one thing that I might like to see would be if CBS/Paramount loosened up the rights for Star Trek and allowed fan productions of some of the books using Flash/CGI animation.


That would be cool.

I wonder if Tor might be up for something like that for books/stories they have rights to?
 
2012-07-29 01:35:20 PM

Sultan Of Herf: I dont know about the show, but that pic at the top of TFA isnt gonna end well for the Starfleet ships...a cruiser, frigate/destroyer, and a tug against 4 D7 battlecruisers, not good.


I see no phaser banks. That makes it a Hermes scout, not a Saladin destroyer.
 
2012-07-29 01:37:37 PM
A new Star Trek needs to look forward, not backward. It can't be about rekindling nostalgia for past Star Trek. I have doubts that anybody put in charge of Star Trek would be willing or able to change it as radically as Roddenberry did between TOS and TNG. They're going to be paralyzed by what Star Trek is expected to consist of. The real question should be what did Star Trek DO to audiences 25-50 years ago, and what will do that do today's audience? The proper form will follow the function.
 
2012-07-29 01:38:29 PM
Dominion vs Borg would be interesting.
 
2012-07-29 01:46:54 PM

tomWright: NeoCortex42:

Actually, one thing that I might like to see would be if CBS/Paramount loosened up the rights for Star Trek and allowed fan productions of some of the books using Flash/CGI animation.

That would be cool.

I wonder if Tor might be up for something like that for books/stories they have rights to?


I haven't read any of the more recent Trek books, but back in the 90's they had some good ones. There was one series focused on the Q, which even confirmed Trelane as a young Q. A story like that would be expensive to produce in live-action, but could suit animation quite well. I also remember liking Shatner's attempt to revive Kirk as a lot better than I expected.
 
2012-07-29 01:51:06 PM
Q.
 
2012-07-29 01:51:54 PM

NeoCortex42: tomWright: NeoCortex42:

Actually, one thing that I might like to see would be if CBS/Paramount loosened up the rights for Star Trek and allowed fan productions of some of the books using Flash/CGI animation.

That would be cool.

I wonder if Tor might be up for something like that for books/stories they have rights to?

I haven't read any of the more recent Trek books, but back in the 90's they had some good ones. There was one series focused on the Q, which even confirmed Trelane as a young Q. A story like that would be expensive to produce in live-action, but could suit animation quite well. I also remember liking Shatner's attempt to revive Kirk as a lot better than I expected.


I wander over to the Tor site a couple times a year. They publish a lot, and I mean a LOT, of web-only short-stories in their site, as well as previews of upcoming printed fiction, and lots of commentary.

As a matter of fact, I have not been there for a while, I need to check out the current stuff.
 
2012-07-29 01:56:32 PM

tomWright: I do think that making them into a series for TV would be difficult, just to avoid the inevitable moralizing that screenwriters, directors and actors would feel compelled to inject, beyond what is implied in the setting of the stories. They might make better individual series with defined arcs but it would be difficult for TV executives to resist milking them beyond the end of the story.


They would be well-served using the BBC formula of "long miniseries" with an arc and formal resolution than the US formula of "running it until it crashes and burns".

tomWright: The fact you have me as a 'denier' says more about you, and the political environment of the past decade or so, than me. Though It may also have something to say about how poorly I communicate. I am a skeptic, about everything. Especially things that have politics or religion wrapped up in them. (What was that South Park episode again...).


Religion? LOL. Politics, sure. At any rate, you're no Warm Magma Squirter, so no worries.
 
2012-07-29 02:02:36 PM

tomWright: Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.

How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?


Or Greg Bear's Eon?
 
2012-07-29 02:04:06 PM
Screw the Abrams time line.

I'd like to see something set in the "real" / TNG expanded universe, maybe something 10-25 years past the end of DS9/Voyager. Time enough for universe/story line changes, close enough for guest stars and being able to use old story lines.
 
2012-07-29 02:07:47 PM
I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.
 
2012-07-29 02:07:48 PM

Ivo Shandor: tomWright: Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.

How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

Or Greg Bear's Eon?



That was cool. And yes, that and countless others.

Looks like retirement in 10 years or so will be very entertaining.

/Now I just need to figure out how to afford the concubines I'll be set...

//This got sent to another thread. My fail or Fark fail?
 
2012-07-29 02:10:47 PM
Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor? You'd figure that would be something important for security personnel.
 
2012-07-29 02:14:02 PM

Satanic_Hamster: Screw the Abrams time line.


This.
 
2012-07-29 02:15:27 PM

DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.


They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.
 
2012-07-29 02:19:52 PM
Screw the Abrams time line.

I'd like to see something set in the "real" / TNG expanded universe, maybe something 10-25 years past the end of DS9/Voyager. Time enough for universe/story line changes, close enough for guest stars and being able to use old story lines.


THIS!!!!!

There is still so much to explore. The singularity, its effects on society when people transfer their minds into machines and go on indefinitely, and what about plots about unlimited DNA manipulation, and the consequences (like Tribbles that sit in your lap and "pleasure" you), and they've never explored all the real life consequences of Holo-Decks (if such a thing existed, who would want to leave one? Would one want to deal with real relationships? Ration Holo-Decks?)

I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)

I'd like to see some episodes filmed like a Discovery Channel documentary, featuring missions where new phenomenon are encountered, or historical discoveries made. Handheld cameras, interviewing crewmen...adds an enhanced feel of realism to the whole thing.

But I'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-07-29 02:20:44 PM

wildcardjack: I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.


Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated.
 
2012-07-29 02:23:15 PM

Omis: 11) A holodeck malfunction episode.
12) The Borg.
13) Time Travel.
14) Modifying the deflector dish to get out of a sticky situation.


Don't forget modifying the deflector dish to attack some time-traveling Borg after someone gets stuck in the holodeck.

Oh, nevermind, that was half of First Contact.
 
2012-07-29 02:24:07 PM

mark12A: I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)


It doesn't. That's one things I hope the Abrams timeline would drop, the inconsistent idea that there's no money. Except when there is.
 
2012-07-29 02:24:17 PM

Mugato: DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.

They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.


DS9 had some reasonable uniforms towards the end.

PsyLord: Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor? You'd figure that would be something important for security personnel.


What could they use? The attacker would just turn up the power setting for their phasers. Phasers can cut though nearly anything (unless it's plot convenient not to). Or if there is a useful shield, just give everybody one of those awesome teleporting rifles.
 
2012-07-29 02:25:20 PM

NeoCortex42: DS9 had some reasonable uniforms towards the end.


Yeah, they did. That would be the second closest thing to a uniform Trek ever had. But they were still jumpsuits.
 
2012-07-29 02:25:24 PM

Peach_Fuz: Dominion vs Borg would be interesting.


No it wouldn't.
 
2012-07-29 02:26:31 PM
No thanks. I'll stick with TNG Season 8.
 
2012-07-29 02:28:21 PM

Mugato: NeoCortex42: DS9 had some reasonable uniforms towards the end.

Yeah, they did. That would be the second closest thing to a uniform Trek ever had. But they were still jumpsuits.


The jackets helped a lot. Also, the admirals having an actual belt buckle made a good difference.
 
2012-07-29 02:29:06 PM

Mugato: mark12A: I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)

It doesn't. That's one things I hope the Abrams timeline would drop, the inconsistent idea that there's no money. Except when there is.


I'd pay 500 Quatloos to see that
 
2012-07-29 02:37:12 PM

mark12A: and what about plots about unlimited DNA manipulation, and the consequences (like Tribbles that sit in your lap and "pleasure" you),


It's hinted that DNA diddling is forbidden, to the point that the very concept is repulsive.

and they've never explored all the real life consequences of Holo-Decks (if such a thing existed, who would want to leave one? Would one want to deal with real relationships? Ration Holo-Decks?)

Reg Barclay had/has a holodeck problem. They dedicated a whole episode of TNG to it, and they touched on it a few more times.

I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)

This. Pure meritocracy? (Oddly enough, right now I'm reading a series set in a moneyless culture of high abundance, but it requires rather a lot MORE automation and abundance than exists in the ST universe. And a cultural paradigm shift or two.)
 
2012-07-29 02:39:07 PM
Every single Star Trek series I've seen has been really, really bad. Even most 'fans' of Star Trek will admit that a whole bunch of episodes, or even entire seasons, of the show is crap - for whichever particular show you want to talk about. I made the mistake of trying to watch all the TNG episodes...only to realize how crappy it was. Then I went online and found that most people seemed to agree.

I love the idea of Star Trek - but after trying to watch TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, the original, and DS-9.....I'm just like meh. I have absolute zero faith in their ability to pull off a decent show.

Truthfully - it just seems played out. I'd rather see another generic 'space sci-fi show' than another Star Trek. A new Star Trek comes with so much baggage. The same races, the same stereotypes, the same expectations, the same 'bad guys'....the same 'OMG the Holodeck is malfunctioning....'
 
2012-07-29 02:39:09 PM

Mister Peejay: It's hinted that DNA diddling is forbidden, to the point that the very concept is repulsive.


More than hinted. DS9 had a recurring plot about Bashir concerning his genetic manipulation.
 
2012-07-29 02:40:46 PM

100 Watt Walrus: No thanks. I'll stick with TNG Season 8.


TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

The crew discovers a planet populated by billions of Riker clones. Picard brokers peace between the bearded majority and non-bearded rebels.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

A deligation of alien hummingbirds secretly plan to drink Wesley. It's a challenge, but Riker still manages to hook up with one.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

Caretakers of a planet-sized library steal Data's brain to store their massive catalog. Picard won't shut up about chess.
 
2012-07-29 02:41:14 PM
Mugato: mark12A: I'd like to see more of civilian life in the Federation (farkin' life without wages, how does it work?)

It doesn't. That's one things I hope the Abrams timeline would drop, the inconsistent idea that there's no money. Except when there is.

I'd pay 500 Quatloos to see that


My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks. How do you divvy that up? How do you get people to work? What kind of training/indoctrination do you give children to create in them the desire to do productive things? DNA manipulation of brain structure? A race of humans with inborn compulsions to do stuff, much like how Border Collies are bred to herd things? It would be fun to see writers try to show that...
 
2012-07-29 02:42:42 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: Every single Star Trek series I've seen has been really, really bad. Even most 'fans' of Star Trek will admit that a whole bunch of episodes, or even entire seasons, of the show is crap - for whichever particular show you want to talk about. I made the mistake of trying to watch all the TNG episodes...only to realize how crappy it was. Then I went online and found that most people seemed to agree.

I love the idea of Star Trek - but after trying to watch TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, the original, and DS-9.....I'm just like meh. I have absolute zero faith in their ability to pull off a decent show.

Truthfully - it just seems played out. I'd rather see another generic 'space sci-fi show' than another Star Trek. A new Star Trek comes with so much baggage. The same races, the same stereotypes, the same expectations, the same 'bad guys'....the same 'OMG the Holodeck is malfunctioning....'


I'd say most Trek fans agree that there are many low points in the shows, but that the good points more than make up for them.
TOS had two great seasons and one mostly terrible one.
TNG had 1+ terrible seasons, a few seasons of greatness, and otherwise decent
DS9 started off passable, then got great around Season 3
Voyager was crap, except for a handful of episodes
Enterprise is the red-headed stepchild that doesn't really get an honest shot. Was alright from the beginning, but got good and nobody noticed.

Even the first season of TNG had some great episodes like Conspiracy and Datalore.
 
2012-07-29 02:43:18 PM

DarthBart: GAT_00: FirstNationalBastard: The opening scene of The Pegasus, IIRC.

...The TNG Pegasus episode, not the Enterprise Pegasus episode.

I don't remember it at all. Haven't watched TNG for a while though.

That's "Disaster". The ship hits something, jacks everything up, and it's where we discover Troi doesn't know the difference between a warp core and a Mr Coffee.


I think it might have been titled "Catastrophe," actually. The Enterprise hits a superstring (no, it didn't make any sense to me, either) and has a kind of quasi-Titanic experience of trying to recover from the accident. I mostly remember Picard being stuck in a busted turbolift with some kids.

I didn't like TNG much, so I don't remember a lot of it clearly now because I didn't want to. I know that makes me sound like a jerk, but I really wanted to like it. It just irritated me in a lot of ways, nearly constantly.
 
2012-07-29 02:45:09 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I think it might have been titled "Catastrophe," actually. The Enterprise hits a superstring (no, it didn't make any sense to me, either) and has a kind of quasi-Titanic experience of trying to recover from the accident. I mostly remember Picard being stuck in a busted turbolift with some kids.


It was called "Disaster" and had the ship run into a quantum filament while Troi was in charge of the bridge. Also featured Picard singing with the kids in the turbolift at one point. Not a bad episode overall.
 
2012-07-29 02:47:35 PM

thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.


They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).
 
2012-07-29 02:49:47 PM

Fat-D: 100 Watt Walrus: No thanks. I'll stick with TNG Season 8.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

The crew discovers a planet populated by billions of Riker clones. Picard brokers peace between the bearded majority and non-bearded rebels.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

A deligation of alien hummingbirds secretly plan to drink Wesley. It's a challenge, but Riker still manages to hook up with one.

TNG Season 8 @TNG_S8

Caretakers of a planet-sized library steal Data's brain to store their massive catalog. Picard won't shut up about chess.


The best one:

Wesley returns from a trip to discover that the Enterprise crew has been transformed into pigs. Worf is a mean pig.
 
2012-07-29 02:50:35 PM

mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks


The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.
 
2012-07-29 02:51:17 PM

tomWright: Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.


The reason Star Trek isn't that great anymore is the same reason it's not going away: money. Paramount has a cash machine with Star Trek, and they'll punch it as much as they can until it's completely dead, which might be never. And they work hard to maximise that profit, which is why it's probably impossible to do any more Trek that appeals to Trek's most hardcore fans: there aren't enough of them to justify shutting out people who think J.J. Abrams is some kind of genius.
 
2012-07-29 02:56:02 PM

Mugato: mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks

The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.


The transition from TNG to DS9 was interesting.

TNG: anything you need (except vaccines, apparently) can be replicated easily. No need for currency anywhere.
DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).
 
2012-07-29 02:59:32 PM

NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).


Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.
 
2012-07-29 03:02:14 PM

GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.


But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.
 
2012-07-29 03:18:03 PM

Mugato: DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.

They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.


They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.

As far as mining the incredible amount of books for source material, I know it'd never happen, but there was a pretty good series based on the mirror universe of TOS, Enterprise and DS9. Pretty dark and savage.
 
2012-07-29 03:19:59 PM
Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

OMG! That's it! The future is some kind of giant LARP! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
 
2012-07-29 03:21:45 PM
Also missing from the list, continuity.
 
2012-07-29 03:27:19 PM

Your_Huckleberry: They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.



Best Uniforms:
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Worst Uniforms of the "modern era": a tie between the "skant" and "cruise ship entertainment director"
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2012-07-29 03:28:03 PM

Mister Peejay: Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated./i>

The Voyager crew was put on energy rations. They could eat the free cafeteria food, and choose what to spend their ration to replicate.

 
2012-07-29 03:29:11 PM

PsyLord: Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor? You'd figure that would be something important for security personnel.


Why is the transporter always unusable when a shuttlecraft is in trouble, and vice versa? Why is the ship not impervious to at least a majority of alien assaults? Why does the Disease of the Week defy routine treatment?

Plot devices, my boy. There is no known defence against them.
 
2012-07-29 03:29:31 PM

WelldeadLink: Mister Peejay: Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated./i>

The Voyager crew was put on energy rations. They could eat the free cafeteria food, and choose what to spend their ration to replicate.


Or just hang out on the holodeck for seemingly limitless time. Or maybe just build a few dozen shuttlecraft and go get some takeout.
 
2012-07-29 03:33:57 PM
Let's use the star trek theme song this time. That horrific abortion Enterprise called a theme song kept me off that show until years after it was canceled.
 
2012-07-29 03:40:30 PM

NeoCortex42: Your_Huckleberry: They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.


Best Uniforms:
[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 518x479]

Worst Uniforms of the "modern era": a tie between the "skant" and "cruise ship entertainment director"
[images.wikia.com image 367x572][images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 278x479]


I still don't understand how they lost the technology of pockets. Maybe that's why they keep having to study primitive civilizations.
 
2012-07-29 03:43:55 PM
awfulperson said "Madison" twice.

So I euthanized it.
 
2012-07-29 03:44:29 PM

Satanic_Hamster: NeoCortex42: Your_Huckleberry: They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.


Best Uniforms:
[images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 518x479]

Worst Uniforms of the "modern era": a tie between the "skant" and "cruise ship entertainment director"
[images.wikia.com image 367x572][images4.wikia.nocookie.net image 278x479]

I still don't understand how they lost the technology of pockets. Maybe that's why they keep having to study primitive civilizations.


They've evolved beyond pockets. No loose change or wallets to worry about. No need for a cell phone with their communicators handy. No car keys since they can just use voice recognition and passcodes for all security.

We can all only hope to one day see the reality of a pocketless society.
 
2012-07-29 03:50:01 PM

Mister Peejay: wildcardjack: I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.

Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated.


There have been many lengthy essays and many lengthy and heated discussions about this question. My own sense is that Roddenberry never admitted it, but the Federation is essentially communist, in a rather pure form, probably arrived at accidentally. Though communism has not been proven stable above tribe scale on our world, Roddenberry gets around some of the more difficult aspects of Marxism with a device unavailable in our time: extreme plenty. Current markets are based on supply and demand. Roddenberry's Federation enjoys an overabundance of supply and unusually efficient delivery for most commodities, so it experiences considerably less demand, in ratio, than any known society to date. Humans don't have to work to meet even most of their luxury 'needs,' but still have the human need for purpose, so they've turned to self-improvement and learning as primary occupations.

Federation citizens do seem to engage in some straight commerce, but it's never made clear how this works. (I will say that Federation citizens don't seem to value money very much.) Of course, the most consistent thing about Star Trek being its inconsistency, this is most likely just someone's oversight: there probably is no overriding writers bible discussion of Federation economics. But over the years, there have been sufficient clues to suggest the above, at least to me. I don't recall anyone's 'pay grade' being mentioned in all these years, which suggests to me that there are no pay grades, and no pay -- Federation citizens don't 'need' very much that they can't supply themselves, and because everyone has most of what they need, and a great abundance of most necessities, no one in the Federation ever considers the 'cost' of obtaining and delivering even limited resources such as dilithium crystals. Prestige, honour, and the experience itself are reward enough. You also never see the 23rd+ Century equivalent of modern-day swabbies: there are no menial jobs, unless you happen to desire one for whatever reason, or for those being disciplined by superiors. People work because they want to, because it feels good to be doing something, even if you don't really need to do it.

Well, that's my starry-eyed, children's-book take on it, anyway.
 
2012-07-29 04:01:41 PM
Roddenberry gets around some of the more difficult aspects of Marxism with a device unavailable in our time: extreme plenty. Current markets are based on supply and demand. Roddenberry's Federation enjoys an overabundance of supply and unusually efficient delivery for most commodities, so it experiences considerably less demand, in ratio, than any known society to date. Humans don't have to work to meet even most of their luxury 'needs,' but still have the human need for purpose, so they've turned to self-improvement and learning as primary occupations.

That sounds quite plausible. Now if we could find some way to explain how the control freaks in power are restrained from micromanaging people's lives, and imposing their beliefs on others, we could have ourselves a complete explanation....
 
2012-07-29 04:09:39 PM

Your_Huckleberry: Mugato: DempseySR26: I wish they would use the Enterprise era uniforms. They don't look near as gay as using the other uniforms and look a lot more realistic.

They're still jumpsuits. The Wrath of Khan uniforms are the only ones that look like uniforms.

They reminded me of dress uniforms, looked good but probably not very fun to wear in day to day duties. I'd submit the black and grey ones that debutted in First Contact were the best uniforms of the whole franchise.
One think about uniforms always struck me was how Star Trek seemed to have one outfit for everything, or at least limited ones. A duty model and dress, but nothing like fatigues. Compare to the new Battlestar Gallactica or the Stargate series. They had different uniforms for different duties. Granted, Stargate and BSG were flat out military and Star Trek has always kind of tried to be something different. Was Enterprise the only Star Trek series that featured both an extreme hot and extreme cold climate uniform? Picard was the only guy with a jacket on the Enterprise D?
I know, probably more to do with budget requirements in wardrobe.

As far as mining the incredible amount of books for source material, I know it'd never happen, but there was a pretty good series based on the mirror universe of TOS, Enterprise and DS9. Pretty dark and savage.


Well fitted tailored clothing is not uncomfortable to wear day to day, and the first contact/DS9 ones were closer to tailored as well, though with knit fabrics that would make them stretchy- the best of both worlds.

And the movie uniforms did have work variants. Watch Wrath of Khan again, you see a bunch with the various scenes in engineering. It's a movie where they actually had the budget to do interesting things with the wardrobe, so they did things right.

Also notice the cold weather gear in that one- when Kirk beams over to regula, remember that giant coat?

But generally, I think Starfleet decided to go with the same idea the army did with the BDUs- combine the fatigues and the service uniform. Replicators and/or very good cleaning and repair services, with scientific fabrics that were durable, breathe well and ere comfortable- why would you need to separate the two? It's not like starfleet needs camo much.
 
2012-07-29 04:09:49 PM
Time to scale up. Set it out around the 27th or 28th century. The galaxy is close to being united, and Inter-galactic speeds are now possible. Start dealing with truly exotic species from other galaxies and move beyond the "ancient panspermia explains why everyone in this galaxy looks like humans with gobs of latex glued to their foreheads."

Learn from the evolution of television over the past decade. Instead of a season with 26 disjointed episodes that mostly disappoint, reduce the number of episodes and focus on production values. Create compelling story arcs and allow characters to develop. DS9 was on the right track, but still had a lot of filler episodes.

As much as I love ST, I just don't think the old formula will stand up against some of the great series that are out their right now.

Also, Romulus should be alive and well in this future, as about five minutes after Spock screwed the pooch on the first attempt, someone would have said, "Well, let's send another ship back in time a couple months and do it right this time."
 
2012-07-29 04:14:30 PM

mark12A: Roddenberry gets around some of the more difficult aspects of Marxism with a device unavailable in our time: extreme plenty. Current markets are based on supply and demand. Roddenberry's Federation enjoys an overabundance of supply and unusually efficient delivery for most commodities, so it experiences considerably less demand, in ratio, than any known society to date. Humans don't have to work to meet even most of their luxury 'needs,' but still have the human need for purpose, so they've turned to self-improvement and learning as primary occupations.

That sounds quite plausible. Now if we could find some way to explain how the control freaks in power are restrained from micromanaging people's lives, and imposing their beliefs on others, we could have ourselves a complete explanation....


Emotional maturity as a species? Universal, high quality education that kept people from clinging to crap that made them feel better about themselves, and taught a value system of trying to improve everyone's life not just your own?

The entire point of Star Trek was to show what the human race could look like if we got over that crap.
 
2012-07-29 04:17:27 PM

Mister Peejay: wildcardjack: I want to see a non-Federation series in the Star Trek universe. Or are there no private human star ships and the Federation is as fully communist as I suspected.

Dude. When people have free access to replicators, then you REALLY have the workers controlling the means of production.

I'm still interested in seeing how the economy in the Federation even works. While nobody can go hungry or anything, there are still some finite resources that need to be allocated.


Voyager taught us that food still takes a lot of energy to replicate. There's still room for intellectual property licensing. Personal services. Items too large for replicators. Even if the food is free the world still has other wants and needs.
 
2012-07-29 04:40:35 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: There have been many lengthy essays and many lengthy and heated discussions about this question. My own sense is that Roddenberry never admitted it, but the Federation is essentially communist [...] there are no menial jobs, unless you happen to desire one for ...


I completely agree with you that it seems reasonable that Roddenberry was suggesting a kind of post-scarcity communism but backed off from spelling that out - quite wisely, I think - it's the future, it doesn't necessarily require 20th century definitions.

Roddenberry's Federation is liberal, rather than authoritarian (libertarian-left, so not like Soviet communism) so we see citizens are able to pursue a life as a trader, actor or anything else they so desire quite freely, and the freedom from limited resources has enabled art, discovery and the pursuit of knowledge to take over as mankind's driving force. It's such an overwhelmingly positive idea, the unseemly communist-like nature of it never seemed to troubled anyone. Although, saying that, were there any protests about Star Trek when it first aired from people worried that, if you scratched the surface, it was promoting communism?

Of course, there is an episode of TOS where Kirk tells Scotty he's "earned his pay for the week," and some people say this shows they do have money, but I think it's more likely it was just Kirk using a common phrase that's stuck; like we still use 'rule of thumb' even though nowadays it's not in the context of beating your wife. Not that this precludes the use of money; I don't see why money couldn't still exist in a post-scarcity society.

But overall sometimes you need to bend the rules to make a plot or a point work, and what with the number of different writers involved as well, it's really a fools task to assemble anything more than generalisations from various shows or throwaway lines.
 
2012-07-29 04:46:07 PM

Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.


If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?
 
2012-07-29 04:51:19 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.
 
2012-07-29 05:07:38 PM
The federation doesn't need money for themselves. But to go out beyond the federation and do trade and business with other less developed planets and cultures would reqire a universal currency such as latinum. Want to visit quark's world? Better have money. So doing some work that pays is still a benefit.
 
2012-07-29 05:23:59 PM
About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I? I surely can't somehow earn enough money to buy his from him. So I'm farked. Wine drinking motherfarker, that's why I set his vineyard on fire and killed his family.

It just never made any sense and it's no use writing papers about it like someone up there said someone did. because the writers didn't put that much thought into it.
 
2012-07-29 05:26:25 PM

Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I? I surely can't somehow earn enough money to buy his from him. So I'm farked. Wine drinking motherfarker, that's why I set his vineyard on fire and killed his family.

It just never made any sense and it's no use writing papers about it like someone up there said someone did. because the writers didn't put that much thought into it.


So learn the ropes at Picard's vineyard then settle on an m-class planet/moon and start your own.
 
2012-07-29 05:35:40 PM

mark12A:
My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks. How do you divvy that up? How do you get people to work? What kind of training/indoctrination do you give children to create in them the desire to do productive things? DNA manipulation of brain structure? A race of humans with inborn compulsions to do stuff, much like how Border Collies are bred to herd things? It would be fun to see writers try to show that...


"Besides, you've just encountered the first hurdle in the psychology of abundance."

"Huh?"

"Don't grunt, Nickolai, it's not polite. Look, here on Pendor you're clothed and fed. Nobody's going to deny you basic survival... we've got the resources to easily make everybody obscenely wealthy, but they already are anyway. What you've just encountered is the wish to contribute, to be a part of the system. Congratulations- you now understand how Pendor works better than most Terrans."

"That's it? I contribute what I want when I can?"

"That's it. Don't you see it, though? You want to contribute. Whereas most Terrans are operating under the impression that they have to contribute... their very survival is at stake. The only place where these two systems ever really meet is in space, where you have to contribute to the ship, or you die... but then, you wanted to get on that ship."
 
jvl
2012-07-29 05:37:57 PM
Easy solution: get Ron Moore to do it, let him decide exactly what it will be about, and keep the network execs the hell away from him.
 
2012-07-29 05:41:49 PM

skodabunny: like we still use 'rule of thumb' even though nowadays it's not in the context of beating your wife.


Grrrrr. It was never used in that context. It means using your thumb as a ruler.

God help me, I wish I could completely stamp out this bit of folk etymology for good.
 
2012-07-29 05:50:35 PM

jvl: Easy solution: get Ron Moore to do it, let him decide exactly what it will be about, and keep the network execs the hell away from him.


Well based on Moore's DS9 and his remake BSG I'm pretty sure it will involve:

1. A Scottish engineer with an asian wife
2. An ambiguously brown doctor or scientist with a secret
3. A B level character who will have to have a limb amputated, become depressed and angry
4. A story arc about the bad guy's occupation and how people suffer
5. Bad aliens that can look like us, leading to a downward spiral of distrust and paranoia
6. Enigmatic gods that are ultimately responsible for everything
7. A christ figure who is being led by the gods

/off the top of my head.
/recycles most of his themes and content
 
2012-07-29 05:57:09 PM

100 Watt Walrus: No thanks. I'll stick with TNG Season 8.


Holy cats, that's hysterical. Funniest thing I've seen in awhile.
 
2012-07-29 06:07:59 PM

Wolf892: The federation doesn't need money for themselves. But to go out beyond the federation and do trade and business with other less developed planets and cultures would reqire a universal currency such as latinum. Want to visit quark's world? Better have money. So doing some work that pays is still a benefit.


What I read about latinum is that it supposely can't be replicated, making it one of the few genuinely limited resources of that reality. Gold is easily replicated, though, and all kinds of things are made of gold, or gold alloys, such as the com badges. Latinum is apparently stable only in liquid state, and so it's 'pressed' (jacketed) in gold, making it look for all the word like gold. There's an amusing episode where Quark thinks he's obtained a hold full of latinum bricks, only to find out that they're all just "useless gold." One of the reasons the Ferengi aren't intimidated by the Federation folks is that they absolutely demand latinum for most payments, and the Federation can't create it but has to obtain it normally.
 
2012-07-29 06:09:49 PM

awfulperson: I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.


I'm seein' a pattern here.
 
2012-07-29 06:15:23 PM

PsyLord: Why don't security personnel wear phaser/disruptor resistant armor?


In general, people in the Star Trek universe seem polite enough to set their phasers on stun except when they have a good reason not to. That armor's just going to make them jack up the power, and the occasional headshot is going to actually kill you.
 
2012-07-29 06:19:47 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: One of the reasons the Ferengi aren't intimidated by the Federation folks is that they absolutely demand latinum for most payments, and the Federation can't create it but has to obtain it normally.


Yeah but Federation people bought stuff all the time, whenever the plot served it, even beyond the Ferengi. It's just not a consistent plot point, and there's no making sense of it.
 
2012-07-29 06:29:24 PM
aaaaaaaaaaaaaargh!

Why!? AtlanticCoast63, why did you DO that??

[throws high velocity snarfix through engine 2's intake]
 
2012-07-29 06:33:47 PM

Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?



skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.


If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

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2012-07-29 07:06:43 PM

Cyno01: If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.


True, but anyone can overlook second-rate animation if the script isn't a pile of shiat.
 
2012-07-29 07:15:01 PM

Wolf892: The federation doesn't need money for themselves.


JAKE: Hey, watch it. There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of Humanity.
NOG: What does that mean exactly?
JAKE: It means... it means we don't need money.
NOG: Well if you don't need money, then you certainly don't need mine.

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2012-07-29 07:24:12 PM

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).


Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.
 
2012-07-29 07:41:02 PM

Actual Farking: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).

Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.


ಠ_ಠ
 
2012-07-29 07:53:57 PM
www.geeksofdoom.com


Make it so.


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2012-07-29 08:02:26 PM

Actual Farking: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).

Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.


Naiomi WIldman's mother essentially disappeared those last few seasons.

Why?

She was trussed up in Neelix's hydroponic garden, being violated by Talaxian carrots, and Neelix's spiney penis.

/it was voluntary, for the most part.
 
2012-07-29 08:17:32 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Actual Farking: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: thornhill: How about what we don't want to see:

1) No more "crew members are locked in the holodeck, safeties have been disengaged, and for some reason we can't just cut the power" episodes.

2) No more Borg. Voyager ruined those bad guys.

3) No more time travel. Voyager also ruined that.

4) No more solving every problem with technology (e.g. using the main deflector dish to do x, y and z).

5) No more deus ex machina endings.

Finally, the new show makers need to recognize the importance of casting good actors. TNG holds up so well because they could do a lot of character driven stories due to having a pretty strong cast, most notably Patrick Stewart. Case and point is The Inner Light. It's still pretty cool that TNG had Whoopi Goldberg as a reoccurring guest star -- I can't imagine some of the best episodes, like Best of Both Worlds and I, Borg without her contribution. Similarly, DS9 not only had a solid cast, but the regularly guest stars were excellent, such as Andrew Robinson (Garak), Louise Fletcher, Jeffrey Combs and Marc Alaimo. One of the many places that Voyager went wrong was the terrible cast.

They weren't all bad. Mulgrew is actually good, in the right vehicle; I just don't think this was a good one for her, that's all. And I did like Picardo a lot, as the EMH and other characters (including the real-life guy who created them).

Voyager's biggest mistake was failing to explore Neelix's post-Kes sexuality. But, that's what I have my Neelix erotic fanfic.

Naiomi WIldman's mother essentially disappeared those last few seasons.

Why?

She was trussed up in Neelix's hydroponic garden, being violated by Talaxian carrots, and Neelix's spiney penis.

/it was voluntary, for the most part.


The real reason she disappeared is hilarious, and a great example of all that was wrong with Voyager. The writers thought they had already killed her off and didn't know she was still alive.
 
2012-07-29 08:31:12 PM
Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

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2012-07-29 08:41:52 PM

Cyno01: Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

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I so did not need to see that.
 
2012-07-29 09:51:20 PM

Fat-D: FFS, just let ST die.


If you don't like it, there's what, 200 channels on cable, thousands of movies and TV shows available on Hulu and Netflix, and hundreds of movies coming out every year. Watch something else and find another thread to try to prove how little you care about something that other people really like.
 
2012-07-29 10:01:10 PM

tomWright: Yeah, you are probably right. I have no problem with more Star Trek per se., it's just that these seem to take all the oxygen out of the room for others. SO all we get is the same premise with characters that are like 3 day old pizza refreshed in the oven.


Sci-Fi series which ran along side Star Trek and still managed to have a pretty significant run:

Babylon-5
Stargate SG-1
Farscape
Battlestar Gallactica
Quantum Leap
Sliders
X-Files
Stargate Atlantis
Lost
Andromeda
Terminator: Sarah Connor
Dollhouse

Okay, the last two only lasted two seasons but still... it's not like there wasn't Sci-Fi when Star Trek had their run of it. If anything, interest in Star Trek got us a bunch of really awesome shows.

Oh, and Dr. Who.
 
2012-07-29 10:02:52 PM

BolloxReader: NeoCortex42: I would love to see a post-Voyager series. One change from prior series I would go with though would be to not use the top of the line ship representing the entire Federation. Kirk's Enterprise seemed to be the first to encounter everything, Picard's was officially the flagship of the Federation, Sisko was located at the actual beachhead to the Dominion, and Voyager was the top of the line, new technology ship.

Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

So, always be the abandoned hulk that the flagship is called to investigate?

/all our shirts are red, why do you ask?


Honestly, the only thing Star Trek could do that would be really new and interesting is if they focused on something grittier and GTF away from Star Fleet. A civilian crew would be awesome if set in the Star Trek world, maybe Firefly without the cowboy thing.
 
2012-07-29 10:06:38 PM

Mugato: NeoCortex42: DS9 had some reasonable uniforms towards the end.

Yeah, they did. That would be the second closest thing to a uniform Trek ever had. But they were still jumpsuits.


US Navy wears jumpsuits:

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2012-07-29 10:08:20 PM

NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


The Soviets were able to get lots of people to do work without having a capitalist economy.
 
2012-07-29 10:36:37 PM
I wouldn't mins seeing a series based on the Starfleet Corps of Engineers, building ships, developing new technologies, and reverse-engineering found alien technologies.

There could be lots of Eureka type incidents. It would be kind of cool getting to know extinct races who left behind advanced technology.
 
2012-07-29 10:40:42 PM

alphalemming: I wouldn't mins seeing a series based on the Starfleet Corps of Engineers, building ships, developing new technologies, and reverse-engineering found alien technologies.

There could be lots of Eureka type incidents. It would be kind of cool getting to know extinct races who left behind advanced technology.


They never did do anything else with major pieces of alien tech, like the Guardian of Forever, or the Iconian Stargates.
 
2012-07-29 10:48:39 PM
Best idea ever IMO of recent genre fiction is to create a team that does the 'cleaning up' after major events and interactions. Investigating the 'hidden history' of the ST universe.

I would totally watch a show about a small crew that was dedicated to following up the unresolved back stories or issues that have arisen from any of the ST shows. It would essentially be an alternate view of the major timelines show in a slightly unsynchronized fashion.
 
2012-07-29 10:52:57 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks

The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.

The transition from TNG to DS9 was interesting.

TNG: anything you need (except vaccines, apparently) can be replicated easily. No need for currency anywhere.
DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).


Also, one of the most famous TOS episodes, The Trouble With Tribbles, starts with Uhura buying something...and getting a deal, too!
 
2012-07-29 10:55:34 PM

Mugato: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: One of the reasons the Ferengi aren't intimidated by the Federation folks is that they absolutely demand latinum for most payments, and the Federation can't create it but has to obtain it normally.

Yeah but Federation people bought stuff all the time, whenever the plot served it, even beyond the Ferengi. It's just not a consistent plot point, and there's no making sense of it.


Like a Willie Mays card?
 
2012-07-29 10:57:47 PM

Lobo2010: NeoCortex42: Mugato: mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks

The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.

The transition from TNG to DS9 was interesting.

TNG: anything you need (except vaccines, apparently) can be replicated easily. No need for currency anywhere.
DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Also, one of the most famous TOS episodes, The Trouble With Tribbles, starts with Uhura buying something...and getting a deal, too!


Dr. Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me you don't use money in the 23rd Century.
Kirk: Well, we don't.

Star Trek IV
 
2012-07-29 11:18:04 PM

meanmutton: Lobo2010: NeoCortex42: Mugato: mark12A: My point exactly. The the 24th Century, they have replicators, holodecks, and what seems to be unlimited energy to run them. Thus, everybody has access to unlimited luxury goods, unlimited travel, unlimited sensations in holodecks

The first mention of them not having money was in Trek 4, long before replicators and holodecks. The truth is the whole notion of there being no money never really made any sense.

The transition from TNG to DS9 was interesting.

TNG: anything you need (except vaccines, apparently) can be replicated easily. No need for currency anywhere.
DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Also, one of the most famous TOS episodes, The Trouble With Tribbles, starts with Uhura buying something...and getting a deal, too!

Dr. Gillian Taylor: Don't tell me you don't use money in the 23rd Century.
Kirk: Well, we don't.

Star Trek IV


What he meant was that most transactions were handled by colonic-map scan and debited from the individual's bank account automatically. Physical currency was reserved for back-world craps games and mobster cosplay.
 
2012-07-29 11:24:41 PM

Cyno01: Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

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She totally looks like Abby Elliot from SNL in some pics,
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but she looks like her frame is too small for her head in the last few seasons of Reba...it's weird..

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Maybe it was just the attitude her character had on Reba..cause I can't really find a pic to show what I'm remembering..(?)

/all hot..
 
2012-07-29 11:44:05 PM
#11: Lots of disappointment.

Sure, I dream too, but lets be realistic, the magic is gone.

GAT_00: Wasn't there a pitch that was more or less this recently? Can't remember who. 2600 or so, the Federation is collapsing, one last honest crew to save everything.


If I was going to make a new series, this is exactly where I would go. Roddenberry would spin in his grave, but I don't care.
 
2012-07-29 11:54:28 PM

GAT_00: Mentat: [img202.imageshack.us image 399x1500]

The Internet worries me some times.


Just be glad he isn't Rule 34ing it.
 
2012-07-29 11:57:42 PM

tomWright: Star Trek is played out and just proof the "creative" types in Hollywood are just leaches and copycats who keep trying to relive the successes of the originals.

Gene Roddenberry is dead, and so are the 1960's. Time to move on.


How about something based on Ian Banks Culture Series?

or Verner Vinges Zones of Thought series?

or some of Paolo Bacigalupi's near-future speculative fiction,? Like The Windup Girl, Ship Breaker or The Drowned Cities?

Those are just recent authors I have read and enjoyed. Not to mention older ones like Nivens "Known Space" novels or Heinleins "future history" or "Lazarus Long" series. Asimov's "Foundation" series, or Clarke's "Rama" books?

There is so much original material, old and new, waiting to be mined for ideas that continuously revisiting Star Trek just shows Hollywood and the TV networks are just lazy, greedy, Pakleds

I guess imitating and parroting the past is just so much easier. Originality is hard.


Windup girl was tedium, but I only got through a few hours of the audio (yes, I was listening to audio books, it's something to do to drown out noise, while driving, while splicing fiber, or doing other things that don't require much attention and I'm tired of music). Maybe it picked up after a while. But the whole time I kept going 'uh...water. Hydro power. Lots of differiing renewable energy sources to generate electricity in an obviously high tech world, why the fark are they making mainsprings and all of this other bullshiat' which just threw me out of the book. I know, for the most part, sci-fi writers just use technology as a nebulous springboard for whatever they want to write about, but...it made my brain cramp the level of 'wtf' I had to do for that one.

I'll check out some of the others though. Recently listened to Amped: A novel, and have been kind of wanting more good scifi books. Even went back to listen to Neuromancer. Anyone throw down a few good scifi or cyberpunk novels I might catch out on audio somewhere? Difficulty (?): no baroque cycle or cryptonomicon. Both were boring beyond words.
 
2012-07-30 12:14:45 AM

BafflerMeal:
I would totally watch a show about a small crew that was dedicated to following up the unresolved back stories or issues that have arisen from any of the ST shows. It would essentially be an alternate view of the major timelines show in a slightly unsynchronized fashion.


"Star Trek Continues" will apparently start by revisiting a TOS situation, starring the original guest star. At least that's what Captain Kirk says.
 
2012-07-30 12:23:03 AM

strutin: Cyno01: Dude, who cares wtf happened to her mom, look what happened to Naomi.

[greenobles.com image 425x628]
[content6.flixster.com image 240x360]

She totally looks like Abby Elliot from SNL in some pics,
[content6.flixster.com image 240x360]

but she looks like her frame is too small for her head in the last few seasons of Reba...it's weird..

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Maybe it was just the attitude her character had on Reba..cause I can't really find a pic to show what I'm remembering..(?)

/all hot..


It was anorexia.
 
2012-07-30 12:56:50 AM

FuturePastNow: If they can get Ron Moore back on board for a series


Did you see the ending of BSG?
 
2012-07-30 01:05:11 AM

BafflerMeal: 1. A Scottish engineer with an asian wife
2. An ambiguously brown doctor or scientist with a secret
3. A B level character who will have to have a limb amputated, become depressed and angry
4. A story arc about the bad guy's occupation and how people suffer
5. Bad aliens that can look like us, leading to a downward spiral of distrust and paranoia
6. Enigmatic gods that are ultimately responsible for everything
7. A christ figure who is being led by the gods


I... I never realized...
 
2012-07-30 01:51:43 AM

NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


Well. In all seriousness, if I were to be reasonably assured that my food, clothing, shelter, and transportation needs were guaranteed and stable, I'd go back to bartending.

That shiat was fun.

Then again, the whole point of bartending is talking people out of their money while entertaining the notion that you're a cheap mental health professional, so I'm not sure how that would fit into a moneyless society with telepathic psychiatrists.

I sure as hell wouldn't be in IT. The money's the only good part of the job.
 
2012-07-30 02:28:47 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

Well. In all seriousness, if I were to be reasonably assured that my food, clothing, shelter, and transportation needs were guaranteed and stable, I'd go back to bartending.

That shiat was fun.

Then again, the whole point of bartending is talking people out of their money while entertaining the notion that you're a cheap mental health professional, so I'm not sure how that would fit into a moneyless society with telepathic

empathic psychiatrists.

I sure as hell wouldn't be in IT. The money's the only good part of the job.


FTFY. Deanna Troi was describe as empathic, not fully telepathic although her and her mother could communicate telepathically. Also, somehow Troi and Riker seemed to share a special link. I'm not sure whether that was empathic or telepathic, but it never quite made sense to me. The first part I believe was explained by Deanna Troi only being half-Betazoid.
 
2012-07-30 04:33:20 AM

Cyno01: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.

If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

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But a good puppet can't do what a CGI model can do.
 
2012-07-30 08:19:11 AM

AtlanticCoast63: awfulperson: I think they should do a series that's targeted to the younger demographic, have it set in Starfleet Academy. And all the main characters should be descendants of classic and TNG Trek characters. And they should make it really dark and gritty. Here's a partial rundown of the cast list:

Madison T. Kirk--she's the main character, a brash bisexual, take-charge kind of gal.

T'pol Madison Spock--half-Vulcan, half Orion brainiac sexpot. Also bisexual.

Cody-Connor Crusher--grandson of Wesley and a female Traveler. He can phase time, space, and girls' locker room shower stalls. Sort of bicurious.

Noonianna Britney Khan--nemesis of Madison Kirk (and former jilted girlfriend). She has hacked into Kirk's Spacebook account at least three times, and posted shopped photos of Kirk giving a Pakled a beej. "Revenge is a dish best served cold; it is very cold, in SPAAAAACE...book."

Snarfix--descendant of Neelix and Snarf (from the Thundercats). More of a peripheral character, really. Always manages to fall in a puddle of butterscotch pudding by the end of the show.

I'm seein' a pattern here.


Actually: even though awfulperson was being snarky and satirical, back in the TNG days there was
quite a lot of agitation in fannish circles to include a LGBT character of some sort in TNG, and
Roddenberry was quite enthusiastic about it, even down to having a gay regular crew member,
but in TNG the closest they ever got was "The Outcast", where Riker fell in love with an alien from
an androgynous race, and the character he fell in love with was played by a woman.

There was quite a bit of female bisexuality portrayed in DS9, but that's likely because the studio
execs found it 'hot'.

Unlike some, I find I rather liked JJ Abrams' movie, and hold out hope that he might finally get around
to having an overtly gay central character on the crew in future movies.

There is a wikipedia page about the subject that seems quite interesting (tl;dr, though I will).
 
2012-07-30 09:04:54 AM
"Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people - as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts... deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers... put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time... and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don't believe me? Look at those faces, look at their eyes..." - Quark

I liked that episode quite a bit. Mostly because I had become somewhat tired of Humans being so clear-cut white hats all the time.

Given the current political climate I'd think that a series that deals with a super-power (the Federation; the States) which, having outlived it's traditional enemies (post-Voyager; post cold-war), now turns inwards and suffers from it's own internal conflicts and internal stresses. There would certainly be enough material from current events and from the past shows to head in this direction.

Start with some cloak and dagger arcs and build up to something massive.
 
2012-07-30 09:08:20 AM

Freschel: Cyno01: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.

If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

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[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 475x547]
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But a good puppet can't do what a CGI model can do.


Like pinball yoda? Never shoulda been done in the first place.
 
2012-07-30 09:10:45 AM

NeoCortex42:
Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.


NCC-1701 was an old girl with 10 - 20 years on her before Kirk ever set foot on the bridge. He was the youngest Captain in history, they weren't insane enough to give a kid anything THAT shiny though.

But I do agree, I'd rather see a crew in an older more beat up ship doing 'stuff' than the latest shiny crewed by the best Starfleet has to offer.
 
2012-07-30 09:21:16 AM

Vaneshi: NeoCortex42:
Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

NCC-1701 was an old girl with 10 - 20 years on her before Kirk ever set foot on the bridge. He was the youngest Captain in history, they weren't insane enough to give a kid anything THAT shiny though.

But I do agree, I'd rather see a crew in an older more beat up ship doing 'stuff' than the latest shiny crewed by the best Starfleet has to offer.


Ah, but it was most likely essentially a new ship. It had probably been in drydock for a couple years getting a complete overhaul, one that doubled the crew capacity, included a brand new bridge, and so on. Sure, the frame of the ship was 20 years old, but most everything else was brand new.

And the same thing happened between TOS and TMP.
 
2012-07-30 09:38:20 AM

NeoCortex42: Fark_Guy_Rob: Every single Star Trek series I've seen has been really, really bad. Even most 'fans' of Star Trek will admit that a whole bunch of episodes, or even entire seasons, of the show is crap - for whichever particular show you want to talk about. I made the mistake of trying to watch all the TNG episodes...only to realize how crappy it was. Then I went online and found that most people seemed to agree.

I love the idea of Star Trek - but after trying to watch TNG, Voyager, Enterprise, the original, and DS-9.....I'm just like meh. I have absolute zero faith in their ability to pull off a decent show.

Truthfully - it just seems played out. I'd rather see another generic 'space sci-fi show' than another Star Trek. A new Star Trek comes with so much baggage. The same races, the same stereotypes, the same expectations, the same 'bad guys'....the same 'OMG the Holodeck is malfunctioning....'

I'd say most Trek fans agree that there are many low points in the shows, but that the good points more than make up for them.
TOS had two great seasons and one mostly terrible one.
TNG had 1+ terrible seasons, a few seasons of greatness, and otherwise decent
DS9 started off passable, then got great around Season 3
Voyager was crap, except for a handful of episodes
Enterprise is the red-headed stepchild that doesn't really get an honest shot. Was alright from the beginning, but got good and nobody noticed.

Even the first season of TNG had some great episodes like Conspiracy and Datalore.


I know that old thread is old but this is a really good assessment of the ST universe. I do have to hang my head in shame and say that in essence I liked Voyager, but they kept farking the same chickens and it got tiresome. I did not like enterprise in the beginning, then a caught a marathon of the later episodes and went back to watch the whole thing, you are pretty much dead on.
 
2012-07-30 09:39:10 AM

GAT_00: Sultan Of Herf: I dont know about the show, but that pic at the top of TFA isnt gonna end well for the Starfleet ships...a cruiser, frigate/destroyer, and a tug against 4 D7 battlecruisers, not good.

I see no phaser banks. That makes it a Hermes scout, not a Saladin destroyer.


Well, that just makes it even worse.
 
2012-07-30 09:55:32 AM

NeoCortex42: Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


The Federation has currency but no 'money' per say, M/AM reactors can only supply so much power and you have limits on just how fast you can pull the magical Dilithium out of the ground. So energy is rationed, however there are no homeless people on Earth so the quality of life for the entire planet is substantially above our first world. You could go from cradle to grave never lifting a finger and be very comfortable or you could do whatever you wanted (caveat: must be for the good of society) and earn additional perks & benefits.

It's a society where automation can do all the jobs nobody likes and they are free to do whatever they enjoy doing, but they have a massive social impetus to do be useful.
 
2012-07-30 09:57:42 AM

Vaneshi: NeoCortex42:
Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

NCC-1701 was an old girl with 10 - 20 years on her before Kirk ever set foot on the bridge. He was the youngest Captain in history, they weren't insane enough to give a kid anything THAT shiny though.

But I do agree, I'd rather see a crew in an older more beat up ship doing 'stuff' than the latest shiny crewed by the best Starfleet has to offer.


Kirk's ship wasn't a top-of-the-line new ship, but it was still the ship that seemed to make every single new discovery in the Federation and personally encountered numerous god-like aliens. Even though it wasn't officially the flagship of the Federation, it may as well have been.
 
2012-07-30 10:04:15 AM

Vaneshi: NeoCortex42: Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

The Federation has currency but no 'money' per say, M/AM reactors can only supply so much power and you have limits on just how fast you can pull the magical Dilithium out of the ground. So energy is rationed, however there are no homeless people on Earth so the quality of life for the entire planet is substantially above our first world. You could go from cradle to grave never lifting a finger and be very comfortable or you could do whatever you wanted (caveat: must be for the good of society) and earn additional perks & benefits.

It's a society where automation can do all the jobs nobody likes and they are free to do whatever they enjoy doing, but they have a massive social impetus to do be useful.


But if they do the needful, they're telported to the spice mines of Kessel.
 
2012-07-30 10:10:27 AM

NeoCortex42: Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


The waiters in ten-forward were always more like bar tenders (and a lot of times they did double duty). I think it's obvious why a personality like Guinan's would gravitate towards that kind of job.
In the future, you probably have less demand for that kind of job, since most people can just walk to the replicator themselves. People are more honest so you don't have the racket that you have today, where you go to a buffet or "casual dining" restaurant and they have a waiter serving your drinks for no reason other than to milk you for tips.
With different circumstances, you end up with wait staff who aren't high school dropouts, and customers who don't resent being expected to pay an extra 20% to feed that incompetent pakled's family of 6 illegitimate children. So yeah, I can see how a sufficient number of people might genuinely choose that career.

/ Did Sisko have waiters working for him, or did he bring the food to the customers himself? I could see him wanting to give it a more personal touch.
 
2012-07-30 10:13:15 AM

Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I?


Of course you can, which planet in which star system would you like to put your vineyard on Sir? Perhaps you could try the underwater cities on Earth as well for giggles.
 
2012-07-30 10:15:12 AM

serial_crusher: NeoCortex42: Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

The waiters in ten-forward were always more like bar tenders (and a lot of times they did double duty). I think it's obvious why a personality like Guinan's would gravitate towards that kind of job.
In the future, you probably have less demand for that kind of job, since most people can just walk to the replicator themselves. People are more honest so you don't have the racket that you have today, where you go to a buffet or "casual dining" restaurant and they have a waiter serving your drinks for no reason other than to milk you for tips.
With different circumstances, you end up with wait staff who aren't high school dropouts, and customers who don't resent being expected to pay an extra 20% to feed that incompetent pakled's family of 6 illegitimate children. So yeah, I can see how a sufficient number of people might genuinely choose that career.

/ Did Sisko have waiters working for him, or did he bring the food to the customers himself? I could see him wanting to give it a more personal touch.


If I remember right, he did it all
 
2012-07-30 10:21:34 AM

Vaneshi: Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I?

Of course you can, which planet in which star system would you like to put your vineyard on Sir? Perhaps you could try the underwater cities on Earth as well for giggles.


And then next thing you know, the Federation sells your colony out and gives it away to the Cardassians.
 
2012-07-30 10:24:42 AM
Also missing from the list: Cancelled after the first 2 seasons
 
2012-07-30 10:25:40 AM

NeoCortex42: Vaneshi: Mugato: About the money thing, Picard owns a vineyard, for example. Well fark him, I want a vineyard. But there are no more vineyards left. So I can't have one, can I?

Of course you can, which planet in which star system would you like to put your vineyard on Sir? Perhaps you could try the underwater cities on Earth as well for giggles.

And then next thing you know, the Federation sells your colony out and gives it away to the Cardassians.


It was either that, or send the colonists blankets infected with Tarellian plague.
 
2012-07-30 10:46:31 AM
For anybody thinking about getting the recent Blu-Ray's of season 1, there's apparently a pretty major issue with the sound in about 8 episodes. I haven't had a chance to go through my set yet, but several sites are reporting it, and CBS is looking into it. So you may want to hold off for a bit if you haven't bought it yet.

Also, it looks like they're going through and removing some of the Okudagrams, like the computer screen family tree that contains Doctor Who actors. I guess they don't want some of the jokes showing up in HD because it might be distracting?
 
2012-07-30 10:51:54 AM

NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.


I dont think he had waiters, but i could definitely see people farming for the love of it. How many people garden as a hobby? I know plenty of hippie organic farmers who do it mostly out of a love for the product and just make enough to support themselves.
 
2012-07-30 10:52:21 AM

NeoCortex42: For anybody thinking about getting the recent Blu-Ray's of season 1, there's apparently a pretty major issue with the sound in about 8 episodes. I haven't had a chance to go through my set yet, but several sites are reporting it, and CBS is looking into it. So you may want to hold off for a bit if you haven't bought it yet.

Also, it looks like they're going through and removing some of the Okudagrams, like the computer screen family tree that contains Doctor Who actors. I guess they don't want some of the jokes showing up in HD because it might be distracting?


only in the 5.1 soundtrack, IIRC.

2 Channel stereo seems to be fine.

And while I don't necessarily like removing Okudagram jokes, they weren't supposed to be seen in the first place.
 
2012-07-30 10:54:44 AM
I'd like to see some more episodes that aren't from a Federation perspective. Like the one in Enterprise that focuses on aliens observing us instead of the other way around. You can do a lot of self-criticism that way and wrap it with a touch of comedy.
 
2012-07-30 10:55:22 AM

FirstNationalBastard: And while I don't necessarily like removing Okudagram jokes, they weren't supposed to be seen in the first place.


Yeah, it's not a huge deal. But I was looking forward to seeing some of them in high-def.
 
2012-07-30 11:18:52 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Vaneshi: NeoCortex42:
Give a crew that's more in the trenches of the Federation. Maybe they work their way up to being a big deal in the Federation.

NCC-1701 was an old girl with 10 - 20 years on her before Kirk ever set foot on the bridge. He was the youngest Captain in history, they weren't insane enough to give a kid anything THAT shiny though.

But I do agree, I'd rather see a crew in an older more beat up ship doing 'stuff' than the latest shiny crewed by the best Starfleet has to offer.

Ah, but it was most likely essentially a new ship. It had probably been in drydock for a couple years getting a complete overhaul, one that doubled the crew capacity, included a brand new bridge, and so on. Sure, the frame of the ship was 20 years old, but most everything else was brand new.

And the same thing happened between TOS and TMP.


That's how real-world navies work. Combat ships are constantly getting upgrades, constantly being overhauled. They're in drydock more than they're in the ocean.
 
2012-07-30 02:35:25 PM
Orion Slave Girl cunnilingus/fellatio combat or GTFO

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2012-07-30 02:39:43 PM

FirstNationalBastard: NeoCortex42: For anybody thinking about getting the recent Blu-Ray's of season 1, there's apparently a pretty major issue with the sound in about 8 episodes. I haven't had a chance to go through my set yet, but several sites are reporting it, and CBS is looking into it. So you may want to hold off for a bit if you haven't bought it yet.

Also, it looks like they're going through and removing some of the Okudagrams, like the computer screen family tree that contains Doctor Who actors. I guess they don't want some of the jokes showing up in HD because it might be distracting?

only in the 5.1 soundtrack, IIRC.

2 Channel stereo seems to be fine.

And while I don't necessarily like removing Okudagram jokes, they weren't supposed to be seen in the first place.


Just to follow up in case anyone is interested, CBS just released a statement and has officially begun a replacement program:
Dear Star Trek Fans,

We have discovered an anomaly in the English 7.1 DTS Master Audio track in our Star Trek: The Next Generation Season 1 Blu-ray Box set. There are some episodes that inadvertently had their front channel designations incorrectly mapped, resulting in an undesired playback experience when listening to them in a 7.1 or 5.1 Surround Sound environment.

We are quickly working to remedy the situation. Replacement discs (Disc 1, 3 and 4) will be made available free of charge. Please email p­h­e*st­ng[nospam-﹫-backwards]exu­le­d­yb*com for details regarding the replacement program. You may also call 877-DELUXE6 (877-335-8936) between 8am to 6pm Pacific, Monday-Friday.

We strive to provide our fans the best Blu-ray experience possible and sincerely apologize for this inconvenience.

Taken from: http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Star-Trek-Generation-season-1-bd-repl acement/17303#ixzz228HrGc00
 
2012-07-30 03:43:15 PM

Cyno01: Freschel: Cyno01: Watchtower's Fiction Editor: Mugato: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Also missing. No humanoid based species

So muppets or CGI? Because people will biatch about either.

If the writing's good, they will like it just fine. Remember Farscape?


skodabunny:
I just re-watched Farscape; 4 seasons and the Peacekeeper wars in 2 weeks. Now I have a farscaped shaped hole in my life... it could be cheesey, particularly the first 5 minutes of the first episode, but the win outweighed the lose. I think I want Farscape back more than another Star Trek.

If the Star Wars prequels showed us anything, its that a good puppet is still better than CGI.

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But a good puppet can't do what a CGI model can do.

Like pinball yoda? Never shoulda been done in the first place.


That's the best part of the movie. Besides it'll be too difficult to do a light saber fight scene with a puppet.

Let me guess George Lucas raped your childhood.
 
2012-07-30 03:54:36 PM

Mugato: I really doubt they're going to pay attention to the expanded universe with a new show. The number of people who would be pissed about the EU being violated has to be minuscule and even they'll still watch it.

Hell the last movie violated canon and it was a huge hit.

/yeah, yeah alternate time line. bullshiat.


Like Star Wars?
 
2012-07-30 03:56:49 PM

Cyno01: NeoCortex42: GAT_00: NeoCortex42: DS9: Many things people want can't be replicated (or replicated well enough) so people use gold-pressed latinum and goes to restaurants with actual food preparation (like Sisko's).

Sisko's was quality cooking over replication. It was never said that people paid him.

But for quality cooking, he would need quality ingredients. I doubt he could farm enough himself to run a restaurant. Without an economy, I can't imagine people willingly working their ass off to farm for sale. I guess we assume that agriculture and transport is completely automated? Also, people who don't need to work to pay for their living standards would volunteer to wait tables? That's some utopia.

I dont think he had waiters, but i could definitely see people farming for the love of it. How many people garden as a hobby? I know plenty of hippie organic farmers who do it mostly out of a love for the product and just make enough to support themselves.


It's pretty well established over a number of episodes in TNG and DS9 that money and economies still exist in the 24th century, what with Beverly Crusher buying shiat on shore leave and charging it to her ship, etc. There would have to be some kind of economy to interface with all these member worlds, because I doubt the ones producing ships, supplies, materials, etc, are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. I mean, going to work just because I feel obligated to? fark that.
 
2012-07-30 03:58:09 PM
as a side note, I want to punch whomever designed the new phasers and phaser noises for the new Trek movie. Punch him in the goddamn face.

/barrel flipping back and forth? WHAT THE fark...
 
2012-07-30 07:24:12 PM
Ok, so I'm thinking the only way something kinda like a Star Trek style economy/society is going to work would be thusly:
1. long life spans.....so you don't have to play in the rat-race to attain your goals and desires.
2. a decade long equivalent of Amish rumspringa, where the kids of the Star Trek universe can sow their wild oats.
 
2012-07-30 08:18:07 PM

way south: Star Trek was always occasionally written by actual Sci-Fi writers.


They brought in a few high-profile SF writers from time to time, but most of the shows were ground out by the usual stable of screenwriters, who were not SF authors in their own right. Roddenberry consulted a few others, like Asimov, on general conceptual things for the show.

By all accounts, it rarely worked out well. Prima donna SF pulp authors have a tendency to write unfilmable scripts, and then get pissy when the production crew adapts them into something that makes the slightest damn bit of sense on the screen. (Harlan Ellison and "City on the Edge of Forever" is the go-to example here.)
 
2012-07-30 08:27:07 PM

Kit Fister: /barrel flipping back and forth? WHAT THE fark...


Well it's important to let the enemy know whether your phaser is set to stun or kill. Sort of like how the rifles in Aliens advertise your ammo count.
 
2012-07-30 08:40:12 PM

semiotix: way south: Star Trek was always occasionally written by actual Sci-Fi writers.

They brought in a few high-profile SF writers from time to time, but most of the shows were ground out by the usual stable of screenwriters, who were not SF authors in their own right. Roddenberry consulted a few others, like Asimov, on general conceptual things for the show.

By all accounts, it rarely worked out well. Prima donna SF pulp authors have a tendency to write unfilmable scripts, and then get pissy when the production crew adapts them into something that makes the slightest damn bit of sense on the screen. (Harlan Ellison and "City on the Edge of Forever" is the go-to example here.)


My favorite butchering of a Vonnegut quote goes approximately:

'Trout, being a science fiction writer, had no use for the actual science'.

It's a springboard for magical whatever they want to write about, not a technical manual. The less it has to do with actual science, probably the better.
 
2012-07-30 11:50:00 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound:
I sure as hell wouldn't be in IT. The money's the only good part of the job.


That's because we don't have a holodeck to do IT design and implementation in.
Barclay was an amateur.
 
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