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2012-07-28 04:11:12 PM  
Gotta admit, I figured it was the Catholic church.
 
2012-07-28 04:18:53 PM  
Proof?

Oh, a college student news service.

Never mind.
 
2012-07-28 04:22:14 PM  

St_Francis_P: Gotta admit, I figured it was the Catholic church.


He's got the sort of experience they'd value.
 
2012-07-28 04:23:40 PM  
He knows how to keep his mouth shut.
 
2012-07-28 04:24:56 PM  

teto85: Proof?

Oh, a college student news service.

Never mind.


There's this:

Link

Although it only makes matters murkier.
 
2012-07-28 04:33:58 PM  
They should give him Bachmann's seat in the house; he can at least keep his mouth shut.
 
2012-07-28 04:43:21 PM  
This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.
 
2012-07-28 04:59:38 PM  

coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.


I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.
 
2012-07-28 05:07:14 PM  

2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.


Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.
 
2012-07-28 05:15:59 PM  

coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.


Haven't for a long, long, time. Not a single Bankster has been indicted, let alone convicted, of screwing over most of the civilized world.
 
2012-07-28 05:17:06 PM  
I see it as a perfect assignment. Everyone knows he can keep secrets.
 
2012-07-28 05:18:41 PM  
Hey look, someone is directing hate to one of the people who actually did the cover up at Penn State. Let's watch the Internet suddenly get angry at them like a mob taking direciton.
 
2012-07-28 05:54:11 PM  

GAT_00: Hey look, someone is directing hate to one of the people who actually did the cover up at Penn State. Let's watch the Internet suddenly get angry at them like a mob taking direciton.


They didn't defend JoePa's enabling of Sandusky, why would they defend this sumbag?
 
2012-07-28 06:00:45 PM  

vygramul: GAT_00: Hey look, someone is directing hate to one of the people who actually did the cover up at Penn State. Let's watch the Internet suddenly get angry at them like a mob taking direciton.

They didn't defend JoePa's enabling of Sandusky, why would they defend this sumbag?


That's not the point I'm making. The Penn State anger has been very specifically directed. Go back and look at all the threads on the sanctions. Ctrl-F for Graham Spanier, or look for people who mentioned the Freeh Report.
 
2012-07-28 06:01:38 PM  
Quoted source from the Washington Post says that he is a "contractor" on something that is "Top Secret"

hence

img1.fark.net
 
2012-07-28 06:04:34 PM  

GAT_00: vygramul: GAT_00: Hey look, someone is directing hate to one of the people who actually did the cover up at Penn State. Let's watch the Internet suddenly get angry at them like a mob taking direciton.

They didn't defend JoePa's enabling of Sandusky, why would they defend this sumbag?

That's not the point I'm making. The Penn State anger has been very specifically directed. Go back and look at all the threads on the sanctions. Ctrl-F for Graham Spanier, or look for people who mentioned the Freeh Report.


That's because no one disagrees that Spanier is a scumbag. There's no conversation to be had. You argue with people who disagree with you. The only people who argue with people who agree with them are insane girlfriends.
 
2012-07-28 06:17:53 PM  

vygramul: That's because no one disagrees that Spanier is a scumbag.


Really? You all seem to agree that JoePa molested kids. Doesn't stop you from talking about how evil he was 2000 times a thread. Nobody mentioned the Board until I brought it up in at least one thread. Nobody. Hell, nobody mentioned Sandusky. It was just JoePa. Who passionately hates someone and never mentions them when the discussion is about them?

Funny. That's the same tone of all the media reports those threads start on. Everyone claims to have read the report, but nobody discusses it except the parts about JoePa. It's a targeted campaign to slander the guy who is dead and can't defend himself. You all just happily go along and be manipulated.
 
2012-07-28 07:05:20 PM  

GAT_00: vygramul: That's because no one disagrees that Spanier is a scumbag.

Really? You all seem to agree that JoePa molested kids. Doesn't stop you from talking about how evil he was 2000 times a thread. Nobody mentioned the Board until I brought it up in at least one thread. Nobody. Hell, nobody mentioned Sandusky. It was just JoePa. Who passionately hates someone and never mentions them when the discussion is about them?

Funny. That's the same tone of all the media reports those threads start on. Everyone claims to have read the report, but nobody discusses it except the parts about JoePa. It's a targeted campaign to slander the guy who is dead and can't defend himself. You all just happily go along and be manipulated.


Yes, really. I haven't seen one post saying panier is in no way responsible, morally or legally. I have, however, seen people who argue that if JoePa fulfilled his legal responsibility, he also fulfilled his moral responsibility - an argument you would be hard-pressed to find for Spanier.
 
2012-07-28 07:08:56 PM  
Isn't trustworthy? I believe it depends on who is trusting him.
 
2012-07-28 07:09:23 PM  
How the fark do you pass a TS investigation when your past performance was covering up pedo rape?
 
2012-07-28 07:10:32 PM  

Sandelaphon: How the fark do you pass a TS investigation when your past performance was covering up pedo rape?


I just thought again and realized it means somebody must have figured he could keep secrets.
 
2012-07-28 07:10:34 PM  
Well, where do you recommend he gets a job, subby? Even convicts released from jail have to find work somewhere.
 
2012-07-28 07:11:26 PM  
McDonald's
 
2012-07-28 07:11:53 PM  
Actually it would seem that the IRS would be the perfect place for guys of his ilk.

They spend all day every day farking people for pay.
 
2012-07-28 07:12:22 PM  
This means that the photographer that molested Dana Plato on Different Strokes is now President and Barack Obama has to get gay married to Joe Paterno's statue.
 
2012-07-28 07:13:03 PM  
 
2012-07-28 07:13:49 PM  
Drew Curtis' FARK.com?
 
2012-07-28 07:14:32 PM  

vygramul: Yes, really. I haven't seen one post saying panier is in no way responsible, morally or legally.


I don't think anyone in those threads knew or cared who this guy was. They had JoePa to hate, they were told to hate him, and that's what happened.
 
2012-07-28 07:15:06 PM  

Sandelaphon: How the fark do you pass a TS investigation when your past performance was covering up pedo rape?


Government full of criminals perhaps?
 
2012-07-28 07:15:08 PM  

GAT_00: vygramul: That's because no one disagrees that Spanier is a scumbag.

Really? You all seem to agree that JoePa molested kids. Doesn't stop you from talking about how evil he was 2000 times a thread. Nobody mentioned the Board until I brought it up in at least one thread. Nobody. Hell, nobody mentioned Sandusky. It was just JoePa. Who passionately hates someone and never mentions them when the discussion is about them?

Funny. That's the same tone of all the media reports those threads start on. Everyone claims to have read the report, but nobody discusses it except the parts about JoePa. It's a targeted campaign to slander the guy who is dead and can't defend himself. You all just happily go along and be manipulated.


Well, thankfully we have you, our courageous conscience, here to remind everyone how we should think, feel and act. And to think you even managed to pull it off without coming across as smug and condescending at all.
 
2012-07-28 07:15:44 PM  

GAT_00: Hey look, someone is directing hate to one of the people who actually did the cover up at Penn State. Let's watch the Internet suddenly get angry at them like a mob taking direciton.


Eh, they're only angry if someone not at all involved in the scandal pipes up that maybe their own livelihoods should not be shot down in the crossfire.
 
2012-07-28 07:16:42 PM  
The best time to put a news story into the cycle is when you have no facts to share about it.
 
2012-07-28 07:16:50 PM  
Who better to work with a Top Secret clearance then a man who keeps secrets. Duh.
 
2012-07-28 07:17:10 PM  

Sandelaphon: How the fark do you pass a TS investigation when your past performance was covering up pedo rape?


Well, he has yet to be charged with any sort of crime, so his criminal record is clean as a whistle...for now...
 
2012-07-28 07:18:16 PM  

skinink: Well, where do you recommend he gets a job, subby? Even convicts released from jail have to find work somewhere.


you sound like an ex-con.
 
2012-07-28 07:18:24 PM  
Managing a homoerotic armored wankball team?
 
2012-07-28 07:18:55 PM  
I don't think you get a "Top Secret" clearance with that kind of background.
 
2012-07-28 07:18:58 PM  
GAT_00, just remember it is you who is turning this thread into a JoePa thread, no one else.
 
2012-07-28 07:19:23 PM  
Link farked.
 
2012-07-28 07:20:16 PM  

GAT_00: vygramul: Yes, really. I haven't seen one post saying panier is in no way responsible, morally or legally.

I don't think anyone in those threads knew or cared who this guy was. They had JoePa to hate, they were told to hate him, and that's what happened.


You really believe your delusions, huh? Get help.
 
2012-07-28 07:21:22 PM  
I was thinking YMCA myself.. but the Catholic church would make a good second choice..
 
2012-07-28 07:23:11 PM  

GAT_00: vygramul: Yes, really. I haven't seen one post saying panier is in no way responsible, morally or legally.

I don't think anyone in those threads knew or cared who this guy was. They had JoePa to hate, they were told to hate him, and that's what happened.


So? If JoePa was morally clean in this fiasco, you would be completely right and would have every reason to white knight for him.
 
2012-07-28 07:23:41 PM  
Surprised nobody's blamed THIS administration yet OR are we all finally admitting that they're all corrupt and any administration would've done the same?

Nah
 
2012-07-28 07:23:52 PM  
This sounds legit
 
2012-07-28 07:26:12 PM  

cantsleep: GAT_00, just remember it is you who is turning this thread into a JoePa thread, no one else.


/me masturbates and is happy
 
2012-07-28 07:26:42 PM  

skinink: Well, where do you recommend he gets a job, subby?


Porn-theatre janitor seems more apropos than taxpayer-supported mystery gig.
 
2012-07-28 07:27:05 PM  

2wolves: coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.

Haven't for a long, long, time. Not a single Bankster has been indicted, let alone convicted, of screwing over most of the civilized world.


Well, maybe not in this country.
 
2012-07-28 07:27:33 PM  

skinink: Well, where do you recommend he gets a job, subby? Even convicts released from jail have to find work somewhere.


I humbly submit:

themurkyfringe.com
 
2012-07-28 07:27:34 PM  

vygramul: GAT_00: vygramul: Yes, really. I haven't seen one post saying panier is in no way responsible, morally or legally.

I don't think anyone in those threads knew or cared who this guy was. They had JoePa to hate, they were told to hate him, and that's what happened.

So? If JoePa was morally clean in this fiasco, you would be completely right and would have every reason to white knight for him.


I've never said he was completely clean, and I'm merely pointing out that it seems to me that you are all allowing yourselves to be manipulated. Now, me, I hate that. I don't like being used as a pawn, and I don't like people using others to do it either.
 
2012-07-28 07:28:24 PM  
Link farked
 
2012-07-28 07:29:34 PM  

cantsleep: GAT_00, just remember it is you who is turning this thread into a JoePa thread, no one else.


Meanwhile, everyone else will turn it into a "defending anyone on that side is defending pedophiles" thread.

/YOU MADE ME DEFEND RICK SANTORUM, YOU ASSHOLES!
 
2012-07-28 07:31:21 PM  

IlGreven: cantsleep: GAT_00, just remember it is you who is turning this thread into a JoePa thread, no one else.

Meanwhile, everyone else will turn it into a "defending anyone on that side is defending pedophiles" thread.

/YOU MADE ME DEFEND RICK SANTORUM, YOU ASSHOLES!


weknowmemes.com
 
2012-07-28 07:31:29 PM  

Reverend Monkeypants: Surprised nobody's blamed THIS administration yet OR are we all finally admitting that they're all corrupt and any administration would've done the same?

Nah


You think the administration had a say in this?

Really?

Really?
 
2012-07-28 07:31:54 PM  
i45.tinypic.com

It puts the lotion on its skin or else it gets the hose again.
 
2012-07-28 07:34:36 PM  

WI241TH: They should give him Bachmann's seat in the house; he can at least keep his mouth shut.


After all that effort to gerrymander the shiat out of her district and keep her incompetent ass in office, just to give her seat away?
 
2012-07-28 07:35:34 PM  
Link fixed. Now I feel ill.
 
2012-07-28 07:38:10 PM  

GAT_00: vygramul: GAT_00: vygramul: Yes, really. I haven't seen one post saying panier is in no way responsible, morally or legally.

I don't think anyone in those threads knew or cared who this guy was. They had JoePa to hate, they were told to hate him, and that's what happened.

So? If JoePa was morally clean in this fiasco, you would be completely right and would have every reason to white knight for him.

I've never said he was completely clean, and I'm merely pointing out that it seems to me that you are all allowing yourselves to be manipulated. Now, me, I hate that. I don't like being used as a pawn, and I don't like people using others to do it either.


It seems to me that you are all blinded by the cult of personality Paterno accumulated for being an incredibly talented football coach. But that love is making it impossible for some people to accept that a person who was that talented and had given that much to the community could turn out to be a part of an ongoing ugliness ambivalence to the heart-wrenching suffering of children.
 
2012-07-28 07:38:14 PM  

stirfrybry: Sandelaphon: How the fark do you pass a TS investigation when your past performance was covering up pedo rape?

Government full of criminals perhaps?


DING DING DING! winner winner chicken dinner
 
2012-07-28 07:40:16 PM  
Spanier's attorneys say that the federal government conducted its own "re-review" of his security clearance in light of his role in the Sandusky case, and nevertheless reaffirmed his trustworthiness.

It's all in who you know. Whoever engineered his hire with a any taxpayer-funded agency deserves to outed and pubklicly shamed.
 
2012-07-28 07:41:48 PM  
Site farked
 
2012-07-28 07:43:35 PM  

St_Francis_P: Gotta admit, I figured it was the Catholic church.


Nah. The Catholics dump their pedo priests onto the TSA.

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2012/05/24/i-team-priest-removed-fro m -ministry-due-to-sex-abuse-allegations-works-at-phl/

www.themoralliberal.com
 
2012-07-28 07:50:43 PM  
TFA: "Only a disgraced public figure would consider joining the much-maligned ranks of the federal workforce as a step up, reputation-wise. We can assume there were no openings for a used-car salesman."

Tell me again about the liberal media. That never gets old.
 
2012-07-28 07:50:56 PM  

stirfrybry: skinink: Well, where do you recommend he gets a job, subby? Even convicts released from jail have to find work somewhere.
you sound like an ex-con.


Come on. "Skin-ink?" Of course he's a felon.
 
2012-07-28 07:54:10 PM  
So Obama has added a second gay pedo to his cabinet?
 
2012-07-28 07:54:16 PM  

coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.


www.insidermonkey.com
Behold the sacred sacrificial lamb caged before slaughter.

images.nymag.com
Behold God's chosen child.
 
2012-07-28 07:54:38 PM  
He should lose it once he's found culpable in a civil case- you can't have massive outstanding debts and keep your security clearance usually, because they're afraid you'll sell state secrets.
 
2012-07-28 07:56:42 PM  
The shiat that floats is harder to flush.
 
2012-07-28 07:59:20 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Managing a homoerotic armored wankball team?


You sound Australian. Maybe British.

/American football blows away the boring sport of "soccer" (I refuse to call it football).
//Back to the topic, sorry for this interruption.
///Not a college football fan.
 
2012-07-28 08:00:11 PM  

fusillade762: Well, maybe not in this country.


True, the Irish appear to be ready to put one on the spit.
 
2012-07-28 08:00:53 PM  

SoxSweepAgain: Quantum Apostrophe: Managing a homoerotic armored wankball team?

You sound Australian. Maybe British.

/American football blows away the boring sport of "soccer" (I refuse to call it football).
//Back to the topic, sorry for this interruption.
///Not a college football fan.


its quasi football
similar to baseball being quasi pedophilia
 
2012-07-28 08:03:10 PM  
 
2012-07-28 08:03:13 PM  
Truth is that Spanier is working under contract to the National Endowment for the Arts which bought the JoePA statue from Penn State. It is being stored at a highly secure, secret location and Spanier is in charge of security. We may rest easy the statue will remain secure for at least the next 14 years.
 
2012-07-28 08:04:02 PM  
as been said already, and I shall only parrot.. he has seemed to have proven his ability to keep a secret safe to these people
 
2012-07-28 08:08:31 PM  

vygramul: There's no conversation to be had. You argue with people who disagree with you. The only people who argue with people who agree with them are insane girlfriends.


That's teh funnay right there.
 
2012-07-28 08:15:53 PM  

missiv: coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.

[www.insidermonkey.com image 540x400]
Behold the sacred sacrificial lamb caged before slaughter.

[images.nymag.com image 250x359]
Behold God's chosen child.



Mozilo may have been the worse criminal, but Madoff "chose" to victimize the wrong group of people.
 
2012-07-28 08:24:56 PM  
Look, if they'll give *me* a TS clearance, they'll give one to anyone. I assume the people who work for the government doing background checks are as lazy and incompetent as the average government employee. That's the only explanation I can come up with.
 
2012-07-28 08:29:10 PM  

untaken_name: Look, if they'll give *me* a TS clearance, they'll give one to anyone. I assume the people who work for the government doing background checks are as lazy and incompetent as the average government employee. That's the only explanation I can come up with.


i filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy
no way they'll take ME!
 
2012-07-28 08:33:06 PM  

untaken_name: Look, if they'll give *me* a TS clearance, they'll give one to anyone. I assume the people who work for the government doing background checks are as lazy and incompetent as the average government employee. That's the only explanation I can come up with.


if that's true, then I should apply for one just so I can watch the rocket launches from Wallops Island up close. How can I use my job as a professional brewer of beer to get this type of clearance and privilege... help me FARK, you are my only hope!
 
2012-07-28 08:35:26 PM  

stirfrybry: Sandelaphon: How the fark do you pass a TS investigation when your past performance was covering up pedo rape?

Government full of criminals perhaps?


Came here to say this.. except I would have left off 'perhaps?'
 
2012-07-28 08:44:53 PM  

untaken_name: assume the people who work for the government doing background checks are as lazy and incompetent as the average government employee. That's the only explanation I can come up with.


i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-28 08:51:47 PM  

GAT_00: Hey look, someone is directing hate to one of the people who actually did the cover up at Penn State. Let's watch the Internet suddenly get angry at them like a mob taking direciton.


Hey look, an article that's actually pertinent to the other people that we all know were involved in this scandal. Try to keep up. You're almost running on full whargarrbl at this point.
 
2012-07-28 08:53:04 PM  

GAT_00: vygramul: That's because no one disagrees that Spanier is a scumbag.

Really? You all seem to agree that JoePa molested kids. Doesn't stop you from talking about how evil he was 2000 times a thread. Nobody mentioned the Board until I brought it up in at least one thread. Nobody. Hell, nobody mentioned Sandusky. It was just JoePa. Who passionately hates someone and never mentions them when the discussion is about them?

Funny. That's the same tone of all the media reports those threads start on. Everyone claims to have read the report, but nobody discusses it except the parts about JoePa. It's a targeted campaign to slander the guy who is dead and can't defend himself. You all just happily go along and be manipulated.


That would be because all the threads where you come to throw these hissy fits have to do with JoePa. Try to use more of your brain and less of your emotions when it comes to this. You're smart and clever in almost every other thread I see you in, and then Penn State comes up and you froth at the mouth.
 
2012-07-28 08:54:15 PM  
I'm going to call BS on this one.

The federal government is not going to hire someone currently under investigation and almost a certainty for indictment for perjury.

The reality is almost certainly a far cry from the implication in the article. (My guess is that he's working for some company that has govt contracts, not directly for the govt.)
 
2012-07-28 08:54:17 PM  
"the federal government conducted its own "re-review" of his security clearance in light of his role in the Sandusky case, and nevertheless reaffirmed his trustworthiness. "

Well yes, he can lie conceivably and keep a secret, he is perfect!
 
2012-07-28 08:54:57 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: GAT_00: vygramul: That's because no one disagrees that Spanier is a scumbag.

Really? You all seem to agree that JoePa molested kids. Doesn't stop you from talking about how evil he was 2000 times a thread. Nobody mentioned the Board until I brought it up in at least one thread. Nobody. Hell, nobody mentioned Sandusky. It was just JoePa. Who passionately hates someone and never mentions them when the discussion is about them?

Funny. That's the same tone of all the media reports those threads start on. Everyone claims to have read the report, but nobody discusses it except the parts about JoePa. It's a targeted campaign to slander the guy who is dead and can't defend himself. You all just happily go along and be manipulated.

That would be because all the threads where you come to throw these hissy fits have to do with JoePa. Try to use more of your brain and less of your emotions when it comes to this. You're smart and clever in almost every other thread I see you in, and then Penn State comes up and you froth at the mouth.


JoePa was just as evil as JoeMa. a presbyterian

eat that
 
2012-07-28 08:55:04 PM  

coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.


It took eons and eons for a high-level Catholic official to finally be held criminally accountable. How ironic that it was at the same time, and in the same state, as Sandusky's conviction.
 
2012-07-28 08:58:18 PM  

GAT_00: vygramul: GAT_00: vygramul: Yes, really. I haven't seen one post saying panier is in no way responsible, morally or legally.

I don't think anyone in those threads knew or cared who this guy was. They had JoePa to hate, they were told to hate him, and that's what happened.

So? If JoePa was morally clean in this fiasco, you would be completely right and would have every reason to white knight for him.

I've never said he was completely clean, and I'm merely pointing out that it seems to me that you are all allowing yourselves to be manipulated. Now, me, I hate that. I don't like being used as a pawn, and I don't like people using others to do it either.


You're seeing what you want to see.
 
2012-07-28 09:01:02 PM  
"In the meantime, the government continues to employ Spanier, which means that we are all paying his salary with our tax dollars."

People wonder why others send money overseas rather than paying our governmnt taxes?
Fire him and the asshat who hired him.

They make it all about party lines... to take the heat off of shiat like this.
 
2012-07-28 09:04:50 PM  

coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.


Civil court favors whoever can hang on the longest, and/or whoever has the least to lose. It's kind of a two-edged sword: Companies (depending on who they are) can hold out longer, but potentially have more to lose by bad press than they would from a judgment. Individuals have nothing to lose from holding out, but the company can wave a big settlement at them and they'll figure a bird in the hand, etc.

Civil law actually favors whatever it takes to not have people go into court, so settlements are encouraged. Anyone who can stick it out through endless discoveries, continuances, postponements and delays can probably prevail, which is why class suits tend to succeed more than individual suits. They can afford to stick it out for the principle of the thing, where any class member would need to give up and get back to work.
 
2012-07-28 09:06:48 PM  

coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.


Devil's Advocate: Spanier hasn't been charged with any crime (yet), let alone convicted.
 
2012-07-28 09:17:38 PM  
Got his job through political connections. We, the taxpayers, are probably going to be forced to pay for his defense when he gets dragged into civil suits.
 
2012-07-28 09:20:44 PM  

Sandelaphon: Sandelaphon: How the fark do you pass a TS investigation when your past performance was covering up pedo rape?

I just thought again and realized it means somebody must have figured he could keep secrets.



truth is stranger than whackjob websites
 
2012-07-28 09:22:45 PM  
If this is true then I'm going to assume that Spanier has a very important person or persons unknown by the balls and is being taken care of in order to cover up an even huger scandal.

Because I'm cynical that way.
 
2012-07-28 09:40:58 PM  

Bondith: /my girlfriend tried to Sandusky me


Explain how that works - - and provide pictures, please.
 
2012-07-28 09:44:20 PM  
It's not a secret organization.
It's not an intelligence agency.

When that guy gets a job, his employers declare themselves "classified" out of pure shame for having hired him.
 
2012-07-28 09:47:05 PM  
Why is it surprising that a government populated by criminals finds this criminal worthy of a security clearance? When everything gov't does that affects our rights and freedoms is done in secret they need administrators used to operating in an atmosphere of secrecy.
 
2012-07-28 09:51:45 PM  

coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.


Sadly this. Also, the courts have become a market in their own right so they can more than make up that cost of doing business by suing others. In fact they can turn a healthy profit by doing so.

We, as a society, are so screwed its not even funny.
 
2012-07-28 09:53:09 PM  
Fox news?

/DRTFA
 
2012-07-28 09:53:46 PM  
Oh and - if the guy is good at covering up heinous criminal acts then working for the US government in a top secret capacity is a perfect fit.
 
2012-07-28 10:08:14 PM  
That's my new excuse for the next time I'm "Independent".
 
2012-07-28 10:15:00 PM  

GAT_00: Nobody mentioned the Board until I brought it up in at least one thread. Nobody. Hell, nobody mentioned Sandusky. It was just JoePa


Sad. I was never quite sure about you before. Hyperbole aside, you clearly believe the above to some degree which is absurd...or you are a troll's troll.

\fret not, I will perform my role as a pawn and continue to ready your posts.
 
2012-07-28 10:20:45 PM  
10 dollars says he's working for DHS or DOS in a job requiring no security clearance doing something menial...or supervising ppl who do something menial.
 
2012-07-28 10:54:12 PM  

EmmaLou: 10 dollars says he's working for DHS or DOS in a job requiring no security clearance doing something menial...or supervising ppl who do something menial.


$20 says he's unemployed and making a sad attempt to pretend he has a job.

/ I am employed to provide sex to Hollywood's hottest young starlet
// Can't tell you who, it would break my contract
 
2012-07-28 10:55:22 PM  

Void_Beavis: coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.

Sadly this. Also, the courts have become a market in their own right so they can more than make up that cost of doing business by suing others. In fact they can turn a healthy profit by doing so.

We, as a society, are so screwed its not even funny.


You understand that the courts don't make any money off the litigants, right? Also that courts don't actually sue other people, just provide a forum for them to sue one another? AND that courts are shutting down nationwide because the states that support them don't have any funding to pay them anymore.
 
2012-07-28 10:55:46 PM  
He needs sompin sompin brown time with Bubba.
Farkin Pero-enabler.

He needs to be crucified in the courts, -
Then, drawn and quartered on the 50 yard line in front of the masturbating crowd of Paterno apologists that think that covering up for child rape rape rape Rapity rapisit rapiness is good for football and maney is good for the nation, then fed to piranhas in a fish tank and then tossed into a wood chipper.

Farking pedo supporter.

Why would anyone allow him to live unless he was only being kept alive to entertain the legitimate citizens who do NOT support child rate ?
 
2012-07-28 11:02:08 PM  
Further more, he's a sad sacked asshole, who deserves at least a fighting chance against a horde of fire ants, while being tied down to stakes and covered in honey. The farking shait of a human who was granted access to the freedoms of an American citizen and yet felt it unworthy to report a crime so heinous that no other member of society could sleep at night knowing about, and yet did nothing.

Fark him in the ass with a red hot poker and then give him an enema with ghost pepper sauce.

Defend him, and you ar as good as the Papist ass rapers who conflict humanity with their very existence.
 
2012-07-28 11:05:33 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: GAT_00: vygramul: That's because no one disagrees that Spanier is a scumbag.

Really? You all seem to agree that JoePa molested kids. Doesn't stop you from talking about how evil he was 2000 times a thread. Nobody mentioned the Board until I brought it up in at least one thread. Nobody. Hell, nobody mentioned Sandusky. It was just JoePa. Who passionately hates someone and never mentions them when the discussion is about them?

Funny. That's the same tone of all the media reports those threads start on. Everyone claims to have read the report, but nobody discusses it except the parts about JoePa. It's a targeted campaign to slander the guy who is dead and can't defend himself. You all just happily go along and be manipulated.

That would be because all the threads where you come to throw these hissy fits have to do with JoePa. Try to use more of your brain and less of your emotions when it comes to this. You're smart and clever in almost every other thread I see you in, and then Penn State comes up and you froth at the mouth.


But it's true. This whole thing has been attack after attack on Joe Paterno. Difficulty: Spanier had authority OVER Joe. Joe had the love and support of the community. Spanier had the actual seat of power on the university. He could have called in the media all on his onesie and didn't. He knew as much as Joe allegedly because they were using the same emails to communicate.

Joe's crucifixion is a classic "Fall of the Favorite" ploy. Penn State's administrators were just as guilty. In fact two of them are on trial. But Joe was famous and died. He's beyond hurt, so they dumped the whole thing in his lap and the proles ate it up because "Hey, we've heard of that guy." Spainier, on the other hand, just as bad if not moreso because as someone not involved with the foorball program directly he should have been more willing to do something. Not a single person calls for his blood because "Spaniel? Isn't that dog?"

It's like watching children playing their first game of chess. You can see exactly where everything's gonna go then surprise surprise, that's exactly what happens.
 
2012-07-28 11:05:36 PM  
Really?
Condoning, or covering up child rape?
'

And he's free?


Where is the Criminal justice system?
Off having doughnuts with the supertroopers?
 
2012-07-28 11:12:42 PM  
I just hope they cancel "bring your child to work day" in the department he works for now.
 
2012-07-28 11:16:14 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Void_Beavis: coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.

Sadly this. Also, the courts have become a market in their own right so they can more than make up that cost of doing business by suing others. In fact they can turn a healthy profit by doing so.

We, as a society, are so screwed its not even funny.

You understand that the courts don't make any money off the litigants, right? Also that courts don't actually sue other people, just provide a forum for them to sue one another? AND that courts are shutting down nationwide because the states that support them don't have any funding to pay them anymore.


The "they" I was referring to were litigants. Not courts.

/sorry for not clarifying.
 
2012-07-28 11:46:41 PM  

coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.


That's what happens when you vote for Democrats and/or Republicans.
 
2012-07-29 12:02:32 AM  

Void_Beavis: Sadly this. Also, the courts have become a market in their own right so they can more than make up that cost of doing business by suing others. In fact they can turn a healthy profit by doing so.


Gyrfalcon: You understand that the courts don't make any money off the litigants, right? Also that courts don't actually sue other people, just provide a forum for them to sue one another?


I had the same thought at first, too.

But reading Void_Beavis's comment again I think he meant unscrupulous people use the courts as a venue (market) to make money by suing other people.

The litigious people make a healthy profit, the courts and the taxpayers provide the stage.
 
2012-07-29 12:10:47 AM  

Gyrfalcon: You understand that the courts don't make any money off the litigants, right?


Well, technically, they *do* charge court fees. But practically, you're correct. Although, if there were no litigants, why would we need to employ the court system? So...they kind of depend on litigants, whether they directly profit from each of them or not.
 
2012-07-29 12:12:04 AM  

St_Francis_P: teto85: Proof?

Oh, a college student news service.

Never mind.

There's this:

Link

Although it only makes matters murkier.


"His lawyer confirms to the Loop that Spanier is working on a part-time consulting basis for a "top-secret" agency on national security issues. But the gig is so hush-hush, he couldn't even tell his attorneys the name of the agency."

Ah, I see he's working for the Department of Lying About Your Job.
 
2012-07-29 12:13:21 AM  

coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.


then explain this!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/us/blagojevich-expresses-remorse-in - courtroom-speech.html?_r=1
 
2012-07-29 01:06:36 AM  

blackhonda: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

then explain this!
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/us/blagojevich-expresses-remorse-in - courtroom-speech.html?_r=1


Rappin' Rod wasn't wealthy. He got caught trying to get there. Hence prison. Whats the next promotion from his last post? But he definitely had the right "anything can be had for the right price sleaze mentality" for the job.
 
2012-07-29 01:33:12 AM  
I didn't know NAMBLA was a government agency.
 
2012-07-29 01:37:05 AM  

Void_Beavis: Gyrfalcon: Void_Beavis: coco ebert: 2wolves: coco ebert: This is what Green Greenwald is talking about. People with power in this country face no repercussions for their illegal acts.

I'm quite sure he'll be in civil court off and on for years.

Doesn't civil liability favor wealthier people or institutions who can afford to pay out? That's what happens with banks at least, paying fines becomes just the cost of doing business. The point is that we don't hold powerful people criminally liable for their crimes.

Sadly this. Also, the courts have become a market in their own right so they can more than make up that cost of doing business by suing others. In fact they can turn a healthy profit by doing so.

We, as a society, are so screwed its not even funny.

You understand that the courts don't make any money off the litigants, right? Also that courts don't actually sue other people, just provide a forum for them to sue one another? AND that courts are shutting down nationwide because the states that support them don't have any funding to pay them anymore.

The "they" I was referring to were litigants. Not courts.

/sorry for not clarifying.


Ah. Carry on.
 
2012-07-29 01:44:25 AM  
My first instinct is to call this a bunch of horsesh*t... But since it's on the Internet it must be true, right?
 
2012-07-29 01:48:40 AM  

Fark Me To Tears: My first instinct is to call this a bunch of horsesh*t... But since it's on the Internet it must be true, right?


I believe it's true that he told his lawyer(s) and/or others what they are claiming he told them. But, by that standard of proof, I'm a children's neurosurgeon who moonlights as a private detective and also occasionally helps NASA solve tough problems. Just ask around in the bars.
 
2012-07-29 02:15:04 AM  
If the stories about the Nebraska Boys' Town scandal are true, then this is not really surprising.

Here's a link to the unaired BBC documentary Conspiracy of Silence.

Here's another link just in case.

I don't think it's that unbelievable that the wealthy and politicians would organize child diddling societies, parties, etc. If the Sandusky cover shows us anything is that this kind of stuff happens and powerful people who are in positions to put a stop to it sometimes won't.

fark all of these disgraceful wastes of life.
 
2012-07-29 02:16:28 AM  
that should be cover up of course
 
2012-07-29 04:49:32 AM  

buckler: I don't think you get a "Top Secret" clearance with that kind of background.


You get to be Pope.
 
2012-07-29 08:47:11 AM  

doglover: But it's true. This whole thing has been attack after attack on Joe Paterno. Difficulty: Spanier had authority OVER Joe. Joe had the love and support of the community. Spanier had the actual seat of power on the university. He could have called in the media all on his onesie and didn't. He knew as much as Joe allegedly because they were using the same emails to communicate.

Joe's crucifixion is a classic "Fall of the Favorite" ploy. Penn State's administrators were just as guilty. In fact two of them are on trial. But Joe was famous and died. He's beyond hurt, so they dumped the whole thing in his lap and the proles ate it up because "Hey, we've heard of that guy." Spainier, on the other hand, just as bad if not moreso because as someone not involved with the foorball program directly he should have been more willing to do something. Not a single person calls for his blood because "Spaniel? Isn't that dog?"

It's like watching children playing their first game of chess. You can see exactly where everything's gonna go then surprise surprise, that's exactly what happens.


Again - they're talking about charges against Spanier. No one disagrees. Everyone's fine with Spanier facing prison time. What's to discuss? If we see an article discussing that charges won't be filed - without some pretty compelling proof of his innocence (like duress proved by a death threat signed by the Penn State football team or some other absurdly unlikely equivalent) - then you'll see outraged expressed by the same people who are outraged at Paterno.

But ultimately, Paterno doesn't deserve defense. The hero-worship overwhelming all reasonable assessment of the man's behavior is painfully obvious. If the person under discussion's name was Bowden or Krzyzewski, I would imagine a VERY different set of people doing the defending, but an awful lot of overlap in the people being outraged. Heck - I bet even OJ Simpson's defenders see a disproportionate number of USC fans.
 
2012-07-29 12:51:43 PM  
FTFA: 'That's right, Graham Spanier, who resigned from his position at Penn State last fall in the midst of the sex abuse scandal, now has a job working for a "top secret" federal agency, according to his lawyer.'

I hear he's also got a girlfriend in Canada.
 
2012-07-29 04:08:52 PM  
In the meantime, the government continues to employ Spanier, which means that we are all paying his salary with our tax dollars. It also means that the government is entrusting work related to our national security to Spanier-a man who has proved that he simply isn't trustworthy.

Yeah, but neither is the government, and he can keep a secret.
 
2012-07-30 11:44:55 AM  

vygramul: Reverend Monkeypants: Surprised nobody's blamed THIS administration yet OR are we all finally admitting that they're all corrupt and any administration would've done the same?

Nah

You think the administration had a say in this?

Really?

Really?


No, I don't. I was expecting derp and found none!
 
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