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2012-07-29 02:54:22 AM  
Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.
 
2012-07-29 03:07:10 AM  

bluorangefyre: How did she get to be an admiral over Picard?


The short version is that her character was beloved by executive producer Jeri Taylor, who wrote all of the "Janeway is so awesome and perfect and everyone loves her!!!" episodes.
 
2012-07-29 03:13:57 AM  

bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.


If you put her at a desk, she can't directly lose a starship. That's my theory.
 
2012-07-29 03:16:10 AM  
Someone! When is JJ Abrams showing up at a con in Los Angeles???

I'd pay good money for a chance to kick his ass.
 
2012-07-29 03:17:15 AM  
Don't forget one of the worse fark ups in Generations . . . a star fleet engineer with years of experience completely forgets how to eject a warp core.

If only they could have had some kind of system built expressly so you don't have to lose the ship in case of a core breech. Say a dumb mechanical system, maybe using explosive bolts?

/why yes I DID have the Next Gen Tech Manual . . .

Everybody (including myself) cracks onTroi's driving, but the worst engineer in Starfleet always gets a pass for skipping step one of "HOW TO SAVE YOUR SHIP FROM A PENDING WARP CORE EXPLOSION" manual.

We get it, you wanted to wreck the D, but you didn't have to make her go out like a biatch. They did it to the Defiant too the bastards.

How awful is it that out of all the hero ships various destructions portrayed in Trek FARKING VOYAGER goes out the most bad assed of them all? (Year of Hell)
 
2012-07-29 03:17:23 AM  

bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.


The Federation was really hard-up after the Dominion War, and they were promoting anyone?

...except Picard, because apparently, they didn't trust him because of the whole Borg thing.
And if you really need a reason to hate Nemesis even more, it's been rumored that the Admiral cameo of Janeway's was originally supposed to be Admiral Seven of Nine.
 
2012-07-29 03:45:40 AM  
Ok my last post got me thinking about best hero ship-Deaths . . .

Voyager - Year of Hell
Enterprise - Search for Spock
Enterprise D - Yesterday's Enterprise.
Enterprise D - The time loopy episode where they crash into the Miranda-class
Defiant - *SOB* Can't remember the episode title
Enterprise D - Generations

Don't remember the NX getting any death scenes but I haven't watched Enterprise since the original airings.
I would also like to say, that while Voyager's was a little more badass, the STIII death of the Enterprise had the most emotional impact for me, only the loss of the Defiant comes close on that count.
 
2012-07-29 03:48:06 AM  

bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.


Admirals can command ships, but they get the gravy, official runs. They aren't supposed to do anything that smacks of excitement or exploration. Which of the two would YOU prefer to do the heavy lifting, and which one would you prefer to be middle management?

She brought her ship back in a tenth of the projected time, with a ton of experience that Starfleet can't ignore. As middle management, she has the rank to be suitably impressive for ceremonial work and can disseminate her accumulated wisdom to the fleet as needed. I'm sure she's in demand on the lecture circuit as an admiral.
 
2012-07-29 04:21:45 AM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%

I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

I've always said that very thing. It's a little dopey that they resurrected Spock at all but that was the premise, it's not the movie's fault. It had a lot of cool elements.


I'm honestly surprised they've kept Data dead as long as they have.
 
2012-07-29 04:26:20 AM  

Neums: Mugato: NeoCortex42: fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%

I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

I've always said that very thing. It's a little dopey that they resurrected Spock at all but that was the premise, it's not the movie's fault. It had a lot of cool elements.

I'm honestly surprised they've kept Data dead as long as they have.


First, the comic book prequels to Star Trek: The Lens Flare Picture have Data's mind restored in B4's body.

Second, Brent Spiner is too old to play Data. He's said so himself. Of course, the easy way around that would be for Data to do some physical renovations on himself so they can slap someone new in the gold paint.

...but don't tell Paramount about that idea. Please. They've done enough.
 
2012-07-29 04:42:51 AM  

NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


[SPOILERS!!!]

Read the expanded universe books. Took over for Odo as security chief (militia), became the "Kira" to the guy who took over after Kira and was reinstated into the UFP when Bajor joined and commissions were offered to interested Militia members (though some stayed Militia), then she eventually became the captain.

PsyLord: I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.


Just because she betrayed the Federation doesn't mean the Bajoran militia wouldn't welcome her with open arms (they did). And Picard understood her motivations and advocated for her and fought to have that expunged from her record.

theurge14: I like how the reboot Romulans were just bald angry dudes with facial tattoos and badass trenchcoats.


I can't explain the trenchcoats part, but they left the explanation of the tattoos and baldness to be spelled out in the prequel comics. That's how Romulans mourn their dead, by shaving their heads and adorning their bodies with ceremonial remembrance tattoos.
 
2012-07-29 04:50:26 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: First, the comic book prequels to Star Trek: The Lens Flare Picture have Data's mind restored in B4's body.


Oh, I'm aware of the B4 part. But you forget, B4's positronic network is waaay too primitive, compared to Data's. So, while it's there, he's nothing more than a mere facsimile.

That said, seeing as how they've practically brought everybody (and I mean everybody) back into the fold in the expanded universe books, and there's an upcoming trilogy involving A.I.'s and androids, I wouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised if Data is finally resurrected. Perfect way to do so, anyway, is in the novels. That way, if they writers fark it up, it's still technically non-canon.
 
2012-07-29 05:08:15 AM  

Neums: FirstNationalBastard: First, the comic book prequels to Star Trek: The Lens Flare Picture have Data's mind restored in B4's body.

Oh, I'm aware of the B4 part. But you forget, B4's positronic network is waaay too primitive, compared to Data's. So, while it's there, he's nothing more than a mere facsimile.

That said, seeing as how they've practically brought everybody (and I mean everybody) back into the fold in the expanded universe books, and there's an upcoming trilogy involving A.I.'s and androids, I wouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised if Data is finally resurrected. Perfect way to do so, anyway, is in the novels. That way, if they writers fark it up, it's still technically non-canon.


No, the comic prequels had Data's mind fully restored in B4's body. B4 had been overwritten by Data. Data was fully resurrected, and Captain of the Enterprise E. So, he has been resurrected, and even his tarded little brother's mind was saved so they could eventually build him a new body.

Here's a Trek expanded Universe wiki article.
 
2012-07-29 06:18:20 AM  
Come on, Admins.

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2012-07-29 07:09:06 AM  
Why do the best movie ideas turn out to be jokes? It's like concept cars: Here's something you would absolutely love so we're not going to make it.
 
2012-07-29 08:44:39 AM  

fusillade762: Oh, and just try putting Insurrection in your queue with Netflix. They don't even have it. That should tell you something.


NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

Trying to figure out a way to connect the old cast with the new one was bound to be full of contrivances.


How they should have done it:

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-07-29 09:15:44 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: bill4935: NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

I guess they were in a hurry. It's true what they say, that time is a fire in which we burn.

/The more you think about that line, the less sense it makes.

I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again.


I was raised to believe that death is but a door, time is but a window, I'll be back.
 
2012-07-29 09:23:31 AM  
Ok 2 things:

*There aren't enough black Bajorans for Lisa to be one.

*While generations is terrible on multiple levels, it did allow Shatner to write "The Return". And that book is really good.

/p.s. Could somone link to Red Letter Media's Generations review AND The onions "Star trek fans decry new movie as 'fun and enjoyable' " please?
//on the bus heading to job #3
 
2012-07-29 09:36:19 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: fusillade762: Oh, and just try putting Insurrection in your queue with Netflix. They don't even have it. That should tell you something.


NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

Trying to figure out a way to connect the old cast with the new one was bound to be full of contrivances.

How they should have done it:

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 232x380]


There's already been a filmed crossover better than Generations: Trials and Tribulations.

With all the time-travel devices Star Trek has come up with over the years, the Nexus was easily the worst. I think a better option would have been revisiting the Guardian of Forever and using that as a way to go back to old-Trek days.
 
2012-07-29 09:43:20 AM  

NeoCortex42: With all the time-travel devices Star Trek has come up with over the years, the Nexus was easily the worst. I think a better option would have been revisiting the Guardian of Forever and using that as a way to go back to old-Trek days.


I think with some tweaking, "Yesterday's Enterprise" would have made a good crossover movie between generations.
 
2012-07-29 10:38:36 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I was raised to believe that death is but a door, time is but a window, I'll be back.


Fruit flies like a banana.
 
2012-07-29 11:12:12 AM  
No, no, it's the time flies that like the banana. The little buzzy wuzzy time flies.
 
2012-07-29 11:46:10 AM  
Has anyone biatched about lens flares yet? Cuz that last movie had a lot of them, in case you hadn't noticed.
 
2012-07-29 12:03:14 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Ok 2 things:

*There aren't enough black Bajorans for Lisa to be one.

*While generations is terrible on multiple levels, it did allow Shatner to write "The Return". And that book is really good.

/p.s. Could somone link to Red Letter Media's Generations review AND The onions "Star trek fans decry new movie as 'fun and enjoyable' " please?
//on the bus heading to job #3


Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'
 
2012-07-29 01:11:25 PM  

fusillade762: I'll just leave this here:

----------------------

Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies

Star Trek TMP - 47%

Star Trek II - 90%

Star Trek III - 77%

Star Trek IV - 84%

Star Trek V - 21%

Star Trek VI - 83%

Star Trek Generations - 48%

Star Trek First Contact - 92%

Star Trek Insurrection - 56%

Star Trek Nemesis - 38%

Star Trek (2009) - 95%


Wow, thats terrible. Nemesis was good enough if only for the battle scene with the E, Valdore warbirds, and the Scimitar.
 
Skr
2012-07-29 01:30:17 PM  
www.guildwars2.com
Excelsior?

/one track mind
 
2012-07-29 02:37:59 PM  

bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.
.


I hate voyager but if you say her "only other accomplishment" was destroying the most dangerous enemy the federation ever faced, its kind of a compliment.
 
2012-07-29 07:12:35 PM  
Alternate timeline, people. Nero and Spock Prime's arrival and actions means that things won't go the same as in the Prime timeline. Stop raging about "IT'S DESTROYING CONTINUITY!!" when it's happening in a different timeline and is having no effect on the events of TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY.

The events of ENT still happened, since it was before the point Nero and Spock Prime cane in, but considering what that series did to established continuity we should pretend ENT never happened.

/also, Trekkies can be more insane about pointless shiat than Sonic fans, Final Fantasy fans, and Star Wars fans
//this is from a Trekkie in a family of Trekkies
 
2012-07-29 07:20:08 PM  

NeoCortex42: fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%

I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).


Search for Spock is my favorite of the odd-numbered movies. Lots of action, good character moments, all the characters get to shine, the introduction of the Bird-of-Prey, Kruge was a cool villain, and the soundtrack is awesome (especially the Klingon theme).
 
2012-07-29 07:24:18 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.

The Federation was really hard-up after the Dominion War, and they were promoting anyone?

...except Picard, because apparently, they didn't trust him because of the whole Borg thing.
And if you really need a reason to hate Nemesis even more, it's been rumored that the Admiral cameo of Janeway's was originally supposed to be Admiral Seven of Nine.


The biggest problem with "Nemesis" is that an entire 1/3 of the movie was cut for time. And what was cut was nearly all character scenes, plot-developing scenes, and other scenes that helped the movie make sense. They put hardly any of them on the DVD, which was really stupid.

And it had the same basic problem all the TNG movies had: it was The Picard And Data Show, with all the other characters in bit parts.
 
2012-07-29 10:00:46 PM  

theurge14: Jim from Saint Paul: Ok 2 things:

*There aren't enough black Bajorans for Lisa to be one.

*While generations is terrible on multiple levels, it did allow Shatner to write "The Return". And that book is really good.

/p.s. Could somone link to Red Letter Media's Generations review AND The onions "Star trek fans decry new movie as 'fun and enjoyable' " please?
//on the bus heading to job #3

Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'


*internet fistbump*
 
2012-07-30 09:13:13 AM  

FloydA: bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.


I'm a bit confused about that. Surely they don't mean that he was Sulu's first officer. Official first contact with the Ferengi wasn't until 2364, so unless Sulu was captain of the Excelsior for more than 75 years, I can't see how he could have had a Ferengi First Officer.

Something is amiss.



Fo' shizzle, my nizzle..

 
2012-07-30 09:18:14 AM  
www.pageofreviews.com
 
2012-07-30 09:47:32 AM  
Fark is linking to Facebook posts? That sucks like Takai after two bottles of wine.
 
2012-07-30 10:12:32 AM  

acaciaavenue: Fark is linking to Facebook posts? That sucks like Takai after two bottles of wine.


Pretty sure he doesn't even need ONE to get started.
 
2012-07-30 01:19:19 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: acaciaavenue: Fark is linking to Facebook posts? That sucks like Takai after two bottles of wine.

Pretty sure he doesn't even need ONE to get started.


The second bottle is to get him to finish dammit!
 
2012-07-30 09:49:59 PM  

NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


Michelle Forbes would have had the mojo to get Kira much, much better lines and plots. But then Michelle Forbes probably would have quit halfway through the third season anyway. I like her a lot (and I loved DS9, Kira's one-note character notwithstanding) but she's just not "Trek."
 
2012-07-30 09:57:48 PM  

FloydA: Yeah, ST: Enterprise had some serious problems, but there were two really great things about that show that, in my opinion, override all of the problems and make it worth watching.


Jolene and Blalock, eh?
 
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