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2012-07-28 07:30:12 PM

NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


Wouldn't have worked.

She would have been just another Starfleet subordinate to Sisko. You would have always known she would eventually listen to him and do what he said.

With Kira, she was a Bajoran military officer. She could go off the reservation and what could Sisko do about it if the Bajorans didn't mind?

/I did like the idea I read about that the post-TV show novels had Ro as a Bajoran military officer and head of DS9 security after Odo left.

Oh, and after watching TNG's Rascals last night...

i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-28 07:31:52 PM

NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


I liked her. Kira was kind of a biatch.
 
2012-07-28 07:34:43 PM
Oh, look, timelines. Guess what, fark timelines.
 
2012-07-28 07:34:56 PM

fusillade762: Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies


Apart from Insurrection and the most recent one being overrated (Insurrection is farking horrible; worse than V even, and the reboot was good but not THAT good), those rankings seem pretty accurate.
 
2012-07-28 07:36:26 PM

Mugato: NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I liked her. Kira was kind of a biatch.


She improved a lot over time. I just liked Ro as a character and wish she was around for me than a slightly recurring role on TNG.
 
2012-07-28 07:36:26 PM

fusillade762: Star Trek (2009) - 95%


Yes, now that you mention it, people are dumb and easily amused by pretty, shiny things.
 
2012-07-28 07:37:14 PM

grokca: Andric: Hey, do you have any good Easter jokes you'd like to share, while you're at it?

Some guy rose from the dead.



Aw crap. Thanks a lot for the farkin' [Spoiler Alert] there, buddy. Now there's no reason to go back to church to find out how it ends.
 
2012-07-28 07:45:50 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I liked her. Kira was kind of a biatch.

She improved a lot over time. I just liked Ro as a character and wish she was around for me than a slightly recurring role on TNG.


Fun fact: Kira was originally supposed to BE Ro. The actress turned down the role.
 
2012-07-28 07:46:25 PM

GAT_00: NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I liked her. Kira was kind of a biatch.

She improved a lot over time. I just liked Ro as a character and wish she was around for me than a slightly recurring role on TNG.

Fun fact: Kira was originally supposed to BE Ro. The actress turned down the role.


Oh man why did I not read the original. I'm leaving the Internet now, it's clearly for my own good.
 
2012-07-28 07:48:30 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: GAT_00: fusillade762: Star Trek Generations - 48%

Really?

Seems high, doesn't it?

And it's bullshiat that Trek 2 is less than the last one. I don't know how scientific these things are anyway.

They mean nothing.

Everyone's who gives a damn to review a movie will log on immediately after seeing the movie and scream ZOMG BEST EVAR!, and their rating won't change a few years later when they realize a movie is average, at best.


I don't think it works that way. Doesn't Rotten Tomatoes just use scores from certified film critics? Not saying it's perfect, but not just anyone can vote on it.
 
2012-07-28 07:50:49 PM

NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.
 
2012-07-28 07:51:22 PM

FloydA: grokca: Andric: Hey, do you have any good Easter jokes you'd like to share, while you're at it?

Some guy rose from the dead.


Aw crap. Thanks a lot for the farkin' [Spoiler Alert] there, buddy. Now there's no reason to go back to church to find out how it ends.


[SPOILER ALERT] He comes back later with a bunch of weird monsters, and this guy pretends to be better than him, and a lot of people fall for it, but then he saves all the people who weren't really fooled by the other guy, then everything is cool again for those people.
 
2012-07-28 07:53:14 PM

PsyLord: NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.


That happened long after DS9 was on the air, at the end of TNG S7/DS9 S2.
 
2012-07-28 07:55:37 PM

PsyLord: I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.


Actually that was in the last season and DS9 had already been on for a couple years.
 
2012-07-28 08:01:14 PM

PsyLord: NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.


I'm sure if she had accepted the role, then Preemptive Strike wouldn't have been written. Ro would have been offered a position by the provisional government and that would have been that.

All that said, I liked Kira, and the fact that she had a backstory with Odo and Dukat made for some very interesting drama.
 
2012-07-28 08:07:13 PM

bloobeary: kronicfeld: That alone should have been enough to tell you that this is a joke.

Well, that and the idea that J.J. Abrams actually cares about Trek continuity.


Also a joke is the idea that Trek had any continuity to begin with.
 
2012-07-28 08:09:23 PM

rwhamann: bloobeary: kronicfeld: That alone should have been enough to tell you that this is a joke.

Well, that and the idea that J.J. Abrams actually cares about Trek continuity.

Kind of the point - I laughed at loud at the Trekkies when Spock said that the time travel changed everything - no more continuity pantie-twisting.


The problem for me wasn't that the time travel changed things, it's that it radically altered things which it really had no rational reason to be able to effect.

Even in the continuity of the series itself (and not counting anything from novels or wherever else), you would think that there would have been some mention somewhere that Spock taught at the Academy *before* the five-year mission, or that he wrote Kobayashi Maru. Never once a mention of Uhura and Kirk at Academy together, or Kirk's pathetic attempts to woo her? No mention of why Sulu went straight to the bridge crew without his stop in botany first? Or that Chekhov is also on the bridge crew despite being somewhere else on the ship (theoretically) for the first year of the show?

And it also does not explain how the timeline managed to bring the Enterprise crew together a full five years or more before their five-year mission started (I'm not as huge a fan as I once was, and I'm too lazy to go look up the actual timeline, but Kirk served as a junior officer for a few years after Academy and was youngest Captain at 29, I think).

If they had wanted to reboot the series, fine - but what they did instead was a cheap farking retcon that actually raised more questions than it answered.

Good thing I don't take shiat seriously anymore.

/seriously
 
2012-07-28 08:40:55 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
Approves

/can't believe it took this long.
 
2012-07-28 08:44:54 PM

NeoCortex42: I still don't get the rules of the nexus. They initially get into it by being on the Enterprise-B when the nexus runs into it. Yet the villain needed to blow up a solar system to get back instead of parking a shuttle in its path.


There's a whole scene between Picard and Data which explains this when they're in the stellar cartography room.

Picard: "That's what he's doing. He's changing the course of the ribbon. But why? Why do that? Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
Data: "Records indicate that every ship that has had contact with the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged."

He could park a ship in its path, yes, and risk being killed because of the ship exploding before the Nexus transported his body into it. So he exploded stars to change the gravity well of galaxies, causing the Nexus to get close to Viridian II, allowing him to enter without risk.

And yes, I can't believe I remembered all of this. But then again, I watch a lot of Trek.
 
2012-07-28 08:51:53 PM
i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-28 09:08:14 PM

Keywork99: There's a whole scene between Picard and Data which explains this when they're in the stellar cartography room.

Picard: "That's what he's doing. He's changing the course of the ribbon. But why? Why do that? Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
Data: "Records indicate that every ship that has had contact with the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged."

He could park a ship in its path, yes, and risk being killed because of the ship exploding before the Nexus transported his body into it. So he exploded stars to change the gravity well of galaxies, causing the Nexus to get close to Viridian II, allowing him to enter without risk.

And yes, I can't believe I remembered all of this. But then again, I watch a lot of Trek.


The obvious solution would be to take a ship right up to the edge of the Nexus and then use its transporter to beam himself into the thing.

But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.
 
2012-07-28 09:12:20 PM

Keywork99: NeoCortex42: I still don't get the rules of the nexus. They initially get into it by being on the Enterprise-B when the nexus runs into it. Yet the villain needed to blow up a solar system to get back instead of parking a shuttle in its path.

There's a whole scene between Picard and Data which explains this when they're in the stellar cartography room.

Picard: "That's what he's doing. He's changing the course of the ribbon. But why? Why do that? Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
Data: "Records indicate that every ship that has had contact with the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged."

He could park a ship in its path, yes, and risk being killed because of the ship exploding before the Nexus transported his body into it. So he exploded stars to change the gravity well of galaxies, causing the Nexus to get close to Viridian II, allowing him to enter without risk.

And yes, I can't believe I remembered all of this. But then again, I watch a lot of Trek.


Yeah, I remember the scene. I still think he could have just put on an EVA suit and given it a shot. For someone as obsessed as he was, and willing to kill billions, in order to get back, I don't believe he wouldn't have given an easier plan a chance. He would have either made it or died trying.

Then again, that was one of the more minor problems with the movie.
 
2012-07-28 09:13:52 PM

FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.


And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.
 
2012-07-28 09:21:32 PM

Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.


I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.
 
2012-07-28 09:28:33 PM
my GOD!

/shields
//SHIELDS
 
2012-07-28 09:42:42 PM

FirstNationalBastard:

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.


To her credit, she did that on purpose, under orders. Guess Picard and Riker knew she was good at crashing sh*t, so they let her...
 
2012-07-28 09:45:32 PM

rewind2846: To her credit, she did that on purpose, under orders. Guess Picard and Riker knew she was good at crashing sh*t, so they let her...


It was for the insurance money.
 
2012-07-28 09:52:48 PM
i1245.photobucket.com

he's seen a few 'shops in his time.
 
2012-07-28 09:58:24 PM

fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%


While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.
 
2012-07-28 10:02:46 PM

t3knomanser: fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%

While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.


I didn't think it was that bad but it wasn't nearly as good as it should have been. A movie about the Borg (before Voyager farked them up) should have been a slam dunk.
 
2012-07-28 10:06:23 PM

NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.


I guess they were in a hurry. It's true what they say, that time is a fire in which we burn.

/The more you think about that line, the less sense it makes.
 
2012-07-28 10:14:44 PM

bill4935: NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

I guess they were in a hurry. It's true what they say, that time is a fire in which we burn.

/The more you think about that line, the less sense it makes.


I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again.
 
2012-07-28 10:15:28 PM

bill4935: NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

I guess they were in a hurry. It's true what they say, that time is a fire in which we burn.

/The more you think about that line, the less sense it makes.


They never should have wrote the Generations script while the show was in production.

IIRC, Generations was written concurrently with season 7. As a consequence, both suffered. S7 had a higher than usual amount of clunkers, and Generations was like a bad two part episode instead of a feature film.
 
2012-07-28 10:21:50 PM

Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?


Ahem... August starts on Wednesday. It's FOUR months late.

That being said, it's the most profitable franchise to ever go dormant. No TV shows, no animation, no new movies in the pipeline. There might be some books out there, but the whole era is filled up. No space left in the TNG cannon, and going retro just didn't work.

It's time for a reboot into the next era.
 
2012-07-28 10:43:28 PM

t3knomanser: fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%

While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.


Rotten Tomatoes tracks how many of its collected reviews have a positive score. It really doesn't quantify how positive those reviews actually are. You're going to get quirks.
 
2012-07-28 11:02:27 PM

wildcardjack: Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?

Ahem... August starts on Wednesday. It's FOUR months late.

That being said, it's the most profitable franchise to ever go dormant. No TV shows, no animation, no new movies in the pipeline. There might be some books out there, but the whole era is filled up. No space left in the TNG cannon, and going retro just didn't work.

It's time for a reboot into the next era.


Enterprise was ok for what it was. Like all Trek series the first season was terrible. TNG first season just came out on Blu-Ray and it looks fantastic but the writing oh my FSM terribad. IMO Enterprise suffered because they didn't want to make it seem like their tech was beyond TOS when a lot of our tech now is beyond TOS. I mean we don't have the fictional tech of warp and matter transporters and such but computers and comunication devices and just look at TOS the proto-iPad that Yeoman Rand totes around for the Captain to write his logs on. So they nerf themselves from the begining and they really didn't take chances with their writing until they found out they were cancled and had nothing to lose. The last season especially the two parter in the mirror universe were pretty good.
 
2012-07-29 12:03:11 AM
JJ Abrams "Star Trek: A Generic Space Movie" reminds me of the no bake cheese cakes that my ex sister in law usually make. Sure it's tasty but it's only empty calories, taste like you're eating paste and there's no thought required in making the cheesecake.

BTW the last decent Star Trek movie they made was "The Undiscovered Country".

/I like to watch movies that doesn't insult my intelligence.
//The Star Trek franchise is okay but is no match for Babylon 5 or Firefly.
 
2012-07-29 12:08:54 AM

therecksays: wildcardjack: Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?

Ahem... August starts on Wednesday. It's FOUR months late.

That being said, it's the most profitable franchise to ever go dormant. No TV shows, no animation, no new movies in the pipeline. There might be some books out there, but the whole era is filled up. No space left in the TNG cannon, and going retro just didn't work.

It's time for a reboot into the next era.

Enterprise was ok for what it was. Like all Trek series the first season was terrible. TNG first season just came out on Blu-Ray and it looks fantastic but the writing oh my FSM terribad. IMO Enterprise suffered because they didn't want to make it seem like their tech was beyond TOS when a lot of our tech now is beyond TOS. I mean we don't have the fictional tech of warp and matter transporters and such but computers and comunication devices and just look at TOS the proto-iPad that Yeoman Rand totes around for the Captain to write his logs on. So they nerf themselves from the begining and they really didn't take chances with their writing until they found out they were cancled and had nothing to lose. The last season especially the two parter in the mirror universe were pretty good.


Yeah, ST: Enterprise had some serious problems, but there were two really great things about that show that, in my opinion, override all of the problems and make it worth watching.
 
2012-07-29 12:09:18 AM

Gunther: fusillade762: Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies

Apart from Insurrection and the most recent one being overrated (Insurrection is farking horrible; worse than V even, and the reboot was good but not THAT good), those rankings seem pretty accurate.


Heh. My mom has burned through all the Trek series (except DS9, having trouble getting her to watch that one for some reason) and has started on the movies. She watched First Contact the other night and said she thought it was "stupid". She's now watching Insurrection and says she likes it better that First Contact. She'll probably *love* Nemesis.

Just glad taste in movies isn't genetic.
 
2012-07-29 12:24:09 AM
Oh, and just try putting Insurrection in your queue with Netflix. They don't even have it. That should tell you something.


NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.


Trying to figure out a way to connect the old cast with the new one was bound to be full of contrivances.
 
2012-07-29 12:24:42 AM

fusillade762: Gunther: fusillade762: Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies

Apart from Insurrection and the most recent one being overrated (Insurrection is farking horrible; worse than V even, and the reboot was good but not THAT good), those rankings seem pretty accurate.

Heh. My mom has burned through all the Trek series (except DS9, having trouble getting her to watch that one for some reason) and has started on the movies. She watched First Contact the other night and said she thought it was "stupid". She's now watching Insurrection and says she likes it better that First Contact. She'll probably *love* Nemesis.

Just glad taste in movies isn't genetic.


I don't get the hate for insurrection, I liked it
 
2012-07-29 12:27:54 AM

LoneWolf343: t3knomanser: fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%

While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.

Rotten Tomatoes tracks how many of its collected reviews have a positive score. It really doesn't quantify how positive those reviews actually are. You're going to get quirks.


It does, actually.

Average Review: 8.1/10
 
2012-07-29 12:28:52 AM
Oops, sorry. The 8.1/10 was for the 2009 version. First contact gets a 7.4/10.
 
2012-07-29 12:35:30 AM

therecksays: wildcardjack: Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?

Ahem... August starts on Wednesday. It's FOUR months late.

That being said, it's the most profitable franchise to ever go dormant. No TV shows, no animation, no new movies in the pipeline. There might be some books out there, but the whole era is filled up. No space left in the TNG cannon, and going retro just didn't work.

It's time for a reboot into the next era.

Enterprise was ok for what it was. Like all Trek series the first season was terrible. TNG first season just came out on Blu-Ray and it looks fantastic but the writing oh my FSM terribad. IMO Enterprise suffered because they didn't want to make it seem like their tech was beyond TOS when a lot of our tech now is beyond TOS. I mean we don't have the fictional tech of warp and matter transporters and such but computers and comunication devices and just look at TOS the proto-iPad that Yeoman Rand totes around for the Captain to write his logs on. So they nerf themselves from the begining and they really didn't take chances with their writing until they found out they were cancled and had nothing to lose. The last season especially the two parter in the mirror universe were pretty good.


Personally my idea would be to launch a new series with Enterprise-B in the new universe, basically your launch episode opens incredibly similar to how Generations opens, except in the reboot universe, Captain Kirk isn't aboard, whatever explanation for that flies because its not terribly important except for the fact he isn't there. Anyway they come across the nexus and with no kirk captain "lets leave spacedock without anything useful on the ship" has to go down and reprogram the deflector dish and gets killed/nexused etc.

Now we make helmsman Sulu the Captain and maybe we can have a female captain who isn't Janeway, cause frankly I find Janeway fairly 'eh' as far as captains go. Then you can launch a series roughly in the technological ballpark of TNG (without being all the way there) and you can kind of reboot the universe there.

That being said, I think it has to be more or less admitted that after this many series, I think they need to take a new look at the whole universe and see what they can do, perhaps more DS9 style overarching, and no damn temporal cold war. You can even suggest that due to the destruction of Vulcan and the Romulan Ship coming back through time and wiping out a bunch of Klingon fleets that a whole new race of major players are kicking around in the Alpha Quadrant. Model them off of the Chinese like the Klingons were the Russians. Avoid parody races like the Ferengi.
 
2012-07-29 12:38:10 AM
I like how the reboot Romulans were just bald angry dudes with facial tattoos and badass trenchcoats.
 
2012-07-29 12:43:05 AM

Representative of the unwashed masses: I don't get the hate for insurrection, I liked it


I remember not minding it when I first saw it at the cinema, but I caught it a year or so ago on TV and found it surprisingly painful to sit through; it really has not aged well, despite only coming out a decade ago. The script is lazy and filled with plot holes, the actors all look bored and disinterested and the pacing is slower than a TNG episode. Come to think of it, it actually feels like they took some random episode and stretched it out to feature length. That'd explain the lack of budget and the shiatty special effects, at least.

Nemesis actually holds up slightly better on a rewatch despite having an even worse script. The actors all do a much better job, presumably because they know it's their last time in those roles.
 
2012-07-29 12:49:15 AM

rewind2846: Remember, Nero screwed up the timeline


So nothing matters anymore. I'm surprised they didn't get Ensign Spiderman to sign a contract with Mephisto ending his marriage with Commodore Mary Jane.
When you shiat on what came before, don't be too surprised when no one gives a damn about what comes after.
Damn, and I thought they farked over the Hulk movies.
Nero sucked
/reboot
//reboot
///reboot
 
2012-07-29 01:36:09 AM

FirstNationalBastard: NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

Wouldn't have worked.

She would have been just another Starfleet subordinate to Sisko. You would have always known she would eventually listen to him and do what he said.

With Kira, she was a Bajoran military officer. She could go off the reservation and what could Sisko do about it if the Bajorans didn't mind?

/I did like the idea I read about that the post-TV show novels had Ro as a Bajoran military officer and head of DS9 security after Odo left.

Oh, and after watching TNG's Rascals last night...

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Oh great. Now I have a mental picture of O'Brien saying "and you thought it was too tight before..."
 
2012-07-29 01:53:39 AM

fusillade762: LoneWolf343: t3knomanser: fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%

While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.

Rotten Tomatoes tracks how many of its collected reviews have a positive score. It really doesn't quantify how positive those reviews actually are. You're going to get quirks.

It does, actually.

Average Review: 8.1/10


Okay, the main rating does not quantify how positive the reviews actually are.
 
2012-07-29 02:31:22 AM

FuturePastNow: Keywork99: There's a whole scene between Picard and Data which explains this when they're in the stellar cartography room.

Picard: "That's what he's doing. He's changing the course of the ribbon. But why? Why do that? Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
Data: "Records indicate that every ship that has had contact with the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged."

He could park a ship in its path, yes, and risk being killed because of the ship exploding before the Nexus transported his body into it. So he exploded stars to change the gravity well of galaxies, causing the Nexus to get close to Viridian II, allowing him to enter without risk.

And yes, I can't believe I remembered all of this. But then again, I watch a lot of Trek.

The obvious solution would be to take a ship right up to the edge of the Nexus and then use its transporter to beam himself into the thing.

But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.


You couldn't "beam into" the Nexus, because the Nexus wasn't a place... it was energy, thought, desire, want, need, whatever you wished it to be. It existed outside of normal space-time, as evidenced by Kirk's rather youthful looks 70+ years into the future, and why the same day passed for him over and over without his knowledge (where he finally asks his girl to marry him over breakfast).

You had to literally let the Nexus absorb you, and ya can't do that from a ship without some serious hurt to that ship... that's why it took something as massive as a planet and its gravity well to do the trick. To use the transporter you had to have two sets coordinates, where you are and where you want to be, even if either place is moving in space-time (like a ship at warp)... the Nexus wasn't IN space-time as we know it, so you couldn't get there from here anyway.
 
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