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2012-07-28 02:52:09 PM  
Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.
 
2012-07-28 02:56:36 PM  

bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.


Oh, my.
 
2012-07-28 03:05:32 PM  

bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket should have been enough to tell you that this is a joke.

 
2012-07-28 03:07:17 PM  

bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.



I'm a bit confused about that. Surely they don't mean that he was Sulu's first officer. Official first contact with the Ferengi wasn't until 2364, so unless Sulu was captain of the Excelsior for more than 75 years, I can't see how he could have had a Ferengi First Officer.

Something is amiss.
 
2012-07-28 03:21:43 PM  

kronicfeld: That alone should have been enough to tell you that this is a joke.


Well, that and the idea that J.J. Abrams actually cares about Trek continuity.
 
2012-07-28 03:24:54 PM  
Live long and prosper, True Believers.
 
2012-07-28 03:29:57 PM  
Stardate: April Fool's Day 2012.
 
2012-07-28 03:30:38 PM  
Isn't it a little late to be submitting joke posts from April 1st?
 
2012-07-28 03:33:36 PM  
fark J.J. Abrams sideways with rake. That man is responsible for putting out some of the worst offenses to writing I've ever seen. The man makes his living selling sheer, unmitigated crap. Oh, sure, he's good at hooking people, but he sucks at follow-throw.

J. J. Abrams: "Look! Look, I've got a pile of crap here!"
Fans: "My god, look at it, it's beautiful. Let us fawn over it incessantly."
[less than halfway into the series/movie]
Fans: "What the farking fark? This is CRAP!"
J. J. Abrams: [trollface]
 
2012-07-28 03:46:27 PM  

teto85: Stardate: April Fool's Day 2012.


Aw damn it! OK, I laughed.
 
2012-07-28 03:53:04 PM  

FloydA: bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.


I'm a bit confused about that. Surely they don't mean that he was Sulu's first officer. Official first contact with the Ferengi wasn't until 2364, so unless Sulu was captain of the Excelsior for more than 75 years, I can't see how he could have had a Ferengi First Officer.

Something is amiss.


No, Capt., Archer and the Enterprise NX-01 made contact with the Ferengi in 2151. Picard encountered them in 2355, in command of the Stargazer. At that time, they were still unidentified as a species. But the crew of the Enterprise 1701-D were still very unfamiliar with the Ferengi as of 2364, when official first contact was made. And it was made extremely clear by the crew of Deep Space 9 in 2373 that Nog was the first Ferengi in Starfleet.

So, yeah. Shenanigans.
 
2012-07-28 04:28:18 PM  

FloydA: bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.


I'm a bit confused about that. Surely they don't mean that he was Sulu's first officer. Official first contact with the Ferengi wasn't until 2364, so unless Sulu was captain of the Excelsior for more than 75 years, I can't see how he could have had a Ferengi First Officer.

Something is amiss.


I came here to make this post. If he was still alive, Sulu was nearly 130 when Next Generation began. Humans can live that long in Star Trek, but he'd be an old admiral who didn't move around much, like McCoy. He definitely wouldn't be in command of a starship.

Let us weep for our wasted minds together.

Benevolent Misanthrope: No, Capt., Archer and the Enterprise NX-01 made contact with the Ferengi in 2151.


The word "Ferengi" was said to them in passing, but they didn't know what it meant.
 
2012-07-28 04:29:59 PM  
and Lisa Lampanelli (as a Bajoran security officer).


I DON'T BELIEVE YOU
 
2012-07-28 04:33:19 PM  

kingoomieiii: FloydA: bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.


I'm a bit confused about that. Surely they don't mean that he was Sulu's first officer. Official first contact with the Ferengi wasn't until 2364, so unless Sulu was captain of the Excelsior for more than 75 years, I can't see how he could have had a Ferengi First Officer.

Something is amiss.

I came here to make this post. If he was still alive, Sulu was nearly 130 when Next Generation began. Humans can live that long in Star Trek, but he'd be an old admiral who didn't move around much, like McCoy. He definitely wouldn't be in command of a starship.

Let us weep for our wasted minds together.

Benevolent Misanthrope: No, Capt., Archer and the Enterprise NX-01 made contact with the Ferengi in 2151.

The word "Ferengi" was said to them in passing, but they didn't know what it meant.


Yeah, I misread the post I responded to. I stand by my dates as presented.
 
2012-07-28 04:34:08 PM  
Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?
 
2012-07-28 04:34:58 PM  
oops 3 and a half months late.

anyways..I'm going to go submit keyboard cat and see if I can get a green.
 
2012-07-28 04:36:29 PM  

Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?


Ah fark. There's no date on that page, but the event he's talking about was Mar 30-April 1 of this year.
 
2012-07-28 04:39:12 PM  

Roook: oops 3 and a half months late.

anyways..I'm going to go submit keyboard cat and see if I can get a green.


I wonder what Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes thinks about this news?
 
2012-07-28 04:46:01 PM  
Yeah, I remember we all had a good chuckle about this last spring.
 
2012-07-28 04:48:40 PM  
OMG! Someone submitted a funny link! We can't let that happen, it will ruin our oh-so-serious website. There's obviously a "laugh-by" date on all jokes.

Some Farkers REALLY need to lighten the fark up.

/ I happen to think April Fools Day jokes in July ARE funny
// not subby, either
 
2012-07-28 04:50:30 PM  
April 1.
 
2012-07-28 05:22:44 PM  

bloobeary: kronicfeld: That alone should have been enough to tell you that this is a joke.

Well, that and the idea that J.J. Abrams actually cares about Trek continuity.


Kind of the point - I laughed at loud at the Trekkies when Spock said that the time travel changed everything - no more continuity pantie-twisting.
 
2012-07-28 05:23:04 PM  
This is how far we've fallen? Greenlighting farking Facebook posts from April 1st in August?
 
2012-07-28 05:29:19 PM  

kingoomieiii: FloydA: bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.


I'm a bit confused about that. Surely they don't mean that he was Sulu's first officer. Official first contact with the Ferengi wasn't until 2364, so unless Sulu was captain of the Excelsior for more than 75 years, I can't see how he could have had a Ferengi First Officer.

Something is amiss.

I came here to make this post. If he was still alive, Sulu was nearly 130 when Next Generation began. Humans can live that long in Star Trek, but he'd be an old admiral who didn't move around much, like McCoy. He definitely wouldn't be in command of a starship.

Let us weep for our wasted minds together.


Honestly, I'm not wasted yet, it's only 2:30... oh I see what you mean
 
2012-07-28 06:32:16 PM  

Man On A Mission: OMG! Someone submitted a funny link! We can't let that happen, it will ruin our oh-so-serious website. There's obviously a "laugh-by" date on all jokes.

Some Farkers REALLY need to lighten the fark up.

/ I happen to think April Fools Day jokes in July ARE funny
// not subby, either


Hey, do you have any good Easter jokes you'd like to share, while you're at it?
 
2012-07-28 06:37:34 PM  

Andric: Hey, do you have any good Easter jokes you'd like to share, while you're at it?


Some guy rose from the dead.
 
2012-07-28 06:39:22 PM  
*facedesk*

Thanks JJ Abrams you time twisting twat.
 
2012-07-28 06:46:26 PM  
i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-28 06:52:47 PM  

grokca: Andric: Hey, do you have any good Easter jokes you'd like to share, while you're at it?

Some guy rose from the dead.


Q: Why doesn't Jesus play hockey.
A: He hates being nailed to the boards.
 
2012-07-28 06:53:44 PM  
I'll just leave this here:

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Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies

Star Trek TMP - 47%

Star Trek II - 90%

Star Trek III - 77%

Star Trek IV - 84%

Star Trek V - 21%

Star Trek VI - 83%

Star Trek Generations - 48%

Star Trek First Contact - 92%

Star Trek Insurrection - 56%

Star Trek Nemesis - 38%

Star Trek (2009) - 95%
 
2012-07-28 06:57:05 PM  

fusillade762: Star Trek Generations - 48%


Really?
 
2012-07-28 07:01:15 PM  
April Fools Day came late this year?
 
2012-07-28 07:01:18 PM  

FloydA: bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.


I'm a bit confused about that. Surely they don't mean that he was Sulu's first officer. Official first contact with the Ferengi wasn't until 2364, so unless Sulu was captain of the Excelsior for more than 75 years, I can't see how he could have had a Ferengi First Officer.


Remember, Nero screwed up the timeline. Everything that happened during "Enterprise" happened. Everything changed on the day of J.T. Kirk's birth. The NCC_1701 crew will meet totally different beings and go to totally different planets from now on. "Next Generation" "DS9" and "Voyager" may never happen, or happen differently. Encounters with Q, the Ferengi, the Klingons, the Maqui, Cardassians, and The Borg my never happen, or happen at different places in history. We already have a severe alteration in the history with the Romulans from this movie alone.

In other words, Abrams can do what-ever-the-fark-he-wants, as long as the characters stay relatively constant (and by "relatively" I mean accounting for the history that has changed around them).
 
2012-07-28 07:01:38 PM  

GAT_00: fusillade762: Star Trek Generations - 48%

Really?


To be fair, Kirk's death was pretty shiatty. And the whole damn thing felt like a two part episode of the TV show, down to the cheap-ass reuse of the Bird of Prey/photon torpedo FX reuse.
 
2012-07-28 07:09:57 PM  

GAT_00: fusillade762: Star Trek Generations - 48%

Really?


Seems high, doesn't it?

And it's bullshiat that Trek 2 is less than the last one. I don't know how scientific these things are anyway.
 
2012-07-28 07:10:21 PM  

fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%


I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).
 
2012-07-28 07:11:57 PM  

Mugato: GAT_00: fusillade762: Star Trek Generations - 48%

Really?

Seems high, doesn't it?

And it's bullshiat that Trek 2 is less than the last one. I don't know how scientific these things are anyway.


They mean nothing.

Everyone's who gives a damn to review a movie will log on immediately after seeing the movie and scream ZOMG BEST EVAR!, and their rating won't change a few years later when they realize a movie is average, at best.
 
2012-07-28 07:13:30 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: GAT_00: fusillade762: Star Trek Generations - 48%

Really?

To be fair, Kirk's death was pretty shiatty. And the whole damn thing felt like a two part episode of the TV show, down to the cheap-ass reuse of the Bird of Prey/photon torpedo FX reuse.


You forgot to do the whole hipster thing about hating the new movie because people like it.

Mugato: Seems high, doesn't it?


Seems low.
 
2012-07-28 07:16:51 PM  

NeoCortex42: fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%

I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).


I've always said that very thing. It's a little dopey that they resurrected Spock at all but that was the premise, it's not the movie's fault. It had a lot of cool elements.
 
2012-07-28 07:17:24 PM  

NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).


All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol
 
2012-07-28 07:18:06 PM  

GAT_00: Mugato: Seems high, doesn't it?

Seems low.


Ugh, Generations? That movie was a mess. Made no sense at all and Kirk's death (spoiler) was appalling.
 
2012-07-28 07:18:39 PM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%

I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

I've always said that very thing. It's a little dopey that they resurrected Spock at all but that was the premise, it's not the movie's fault. It had a lot of cool elements.


Trek III has the misfortune of being sandwiched between the most critically acclaimed of the original cast movies, and the most popular of the original cast movies.

Plus, it's the second part of a trilogy. It's going to lag in some spots.
 
2012-07-28 07:19:13 PM  

rewind2846: because they let the ship's therapist drive


I lol'd.
 
2012-07-28 07:20:17 PM  

rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol


Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!
 
2012-07-28 07:22:49 PM  

Mugato: GAT_00: Mugato: Seems high, doesn't it?

Seems low.

Ugh, Generations? That movie was a mess. Made no sense at all and Kirk's death (spoiler) was appalling.


I still don't get the rules of the nexus. They initially get into it by being on the Enterprise-B when the nexus runs into it. Yet the villain needed to blow up a solar system to get back instead of parking a shuttle in its path.
 
2012-07-28 07:24:35 PM  

NeoCortex42: I still don't get the rules of the nexus. They initially get into it by being on the Enterprise-B when the nexus runs into it. Yet the villain needed to blow up a solar system to get back instead of parking a shuttle in its path.


I could go on for hours about the plot holes in that film.
 
2012-07-28 07:25:01 PM  

GAT_00: fusillade762: Star Trek Generations - 48%

Really?


Yeah, I'd have figured around 60% myself.
 
2012-07-28 07:26:55 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!


Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.
 
2012-07-28 07:28:38 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: GAT_00: Mugato: Seems high, doesn't it?

Seems low.

Ugh, Generations? That movie was a mess. Made no sense at all and Kirk's death (spoiler) was appalling.

I still don't get the rules of the nexus. They initially get into it by being on the Enterprise-B when the nexus runs into it. Yet the villain needed to blow up a solar system to get back instead of parking a shuttle in its path.


It wasn't superb, but it sure as fark wasn't better than Insurrection and barely better than TMP.
 
2012-07-28 07:29:14 PM  

GAT_00: NeoCortex42: Mugato: GAT_00: Mugato: Seems high, doesn't it?

Seems low.

Ugh, Generations? That movie was a mess. Made no sense at all and Kirk's death (spoiler) was appalling.

I still don't get the rules of the nexus. They initially get into it by being on the Enterprise-B when the nexus runs into it. Yet the villain needed to blow up a solar system to get back instead of parking a shuttle in its path.

It wasn't superb, but it sure as fark wasn't better than Insurrection and barely better than TMP.


Goddammit, WORSE than Insurrection.
 
2012-07-28 07:30:12 PM  

NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


Wouldn't have worked.

She would have been just another Starfleet subordinate to Sisko. You would have always known she would eventually listen to him and do what he said.

With Kira, she was a Bajoran military officer. She could go off the reservation and what could Sisko do about it if the Bajorans didn't mind?

/I did like the idea I read about that the post-TV show novels had Ro as a Bajoran military officer and head of DS9 security after Odo left.

Oh, and after watching TNG's Rascals last night...

i6.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-28 07:31:52 PM  

NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


I liked her. Kira was kind of a biatch.
 
2012-07-28 07:34:43 PM  
Oh, look, timelines. Guess what, fark timelines.
 
2012-07-28 07:34:56 PM  

fusillade762: Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies


Apart from Insurrection and the most recent one being overrated (Insurrection is farking horrible; worse than V even, and the reboot was good but not THAT good), those rankings seem pretty accurate.
 
2012-07-28 07:36:26 PM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I liked her. Kira was kind of a biatch.


She improved a lot over time. I just liked Ro as a character and wish she was around for me than a slightly recurring role on TNG.
 
2012-07-28 07:36:26 PM  

fusillade762: Star Trek (2009) - 95%


Yes, now that you mention it, people are dumb and easily amused by pretty, shiny things.
 
2012-07-28 07:37:14 PM  

grokca: Andric: Hey, do you have any good Easter jokes you'd like to share, while you're at it?

Some guy rose from the dead.



Aw crap. Thanks a lot for the farkin' [Spoiler Alert] there, buddy. Now there's no reason to go back to church to find out how it ends.
 
2012-07-28 07:45:50 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I liked her. Kira was kind of a biatch.

She improved a lot over time. I just liked Ro as a character and wish she was around for me than a slightly recurring role on TNG.


Fun fact: Kira was originally supposed to BE Ro. The actress turned down the role.
 
2012-07-28 07:46:25 PM  

GAT_00: NeoCortex42: Mugato: NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I liked her. Kira was kind of a biatch.

She improved a lot over time. I just liked Ro as a character and wish she was around for me than a slightly recurring role on TNG.

Fun fact: Kira was originally supposed to BE Ro. The actress turned down the role.


Oh man why did I not read the original. I'm leaving the Internet now, it's clearly for my own good.
 
2012-07-28 07:48:30 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Mugato: GAT_00: fusillade762: Star Trek Generations - 48%

Really?

Seems high, doesn't it?

And it's bullshiat that Trek 2 is less than the last one. I don't know how scientific these things are anyway.

They mean nothing.

Everyone's who gives a damn to review a movie will log on immediately after seeing the movie and scream ZOMG BEST EVAR!, and their rating won't change a few years later when they realize a movie is average, at best.


I don't think it works that way. Doesn't Rotten Tomatoes just use scores from certified film critics? Not saying it's perfect, but not just anyone can vote on it.
 
2012-07-28 07:50:49 PM  

NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.
 
2012-07-28 07:51:22 PM  

FloydA: grokca: Andric: Hey, do you have any good Easter jokes you'd like to share, while you're at it?

Some guy rose from the dead.


Aw crap. Thanks a lot for the farkin' [Spoiler Alert] there, buddy. Now there's no reason to go back to church to find out how it ends.


[SPOILER ALERT] He comes back later with a bunch of weird monsters, and this guy pretends to be better than him, and a lot of people fall for it, but then he saves all the people who weren't really fooled by the other guy, then everything is cool again for those people.
 
2012-07-28 07:53:14 PM  

PsyLord: NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.


That happened long after DS9 was on the air, at the end of TNG S7/DS9 S2.
 
2012-07-28 07:55:37 PM  

PsyLord: I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.


Actually that was in the last season and DS9 had already been on for a couple years.
 
2012-07-28 08:01:14 PM  

PsyLord: NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.


I'm sure if she had accepted the role, then Preemptive Strike wouldn't have been written. Ro would have been offered a position by the provisional government and that would have been that.

All that said, I liked Kira, and the fact that she had a backstory with Odo and Dukat made for some very interesting drama.
 
2012-07-28 08:07:13 PM  

bloobeary: kronicfeld: That alone should have been enough to tell you that this is a joke.

Well, that and the idea that J.J. Abrams actually cares about Trek continuity.


Also a joke is the idea that Trek had any continuity to begin with.
 
2012-07-28 08:09:23 PM  

rwhamann: bloobeary: kronicfeld: That alone should have been enough to tell you that this is a joke.

Well, that and the idea that J.J. Abrams actually cares about Trek continuity.

Kind of the point - I laughed at loud at the Trekkies when Spock said that the time travel changed everything - no more continuity pantie-twisting.


The problem for me wasn't that the time travel changed things, it's that it radically altered things which it really had no rational reason to be able to effect.

Even in the continuity of the series itself (and not counting anything from novels or wherever else), you would think that there would have been some mention somewhere that Spock taught at the Academy *before* the five-year mission, or that he wrote Kobayashi Maru. Never once a mention of Uhura and Kirk at Academy together, or Kirk's pathetic attempts to woo her? No mention of why Sulu went straight to the bridge crew without his stop in botany first? Or that Chekhov is also on the bridge crew despite being somewhere else on the ship (theoretically) for the first year of the show?

And it also does not explain how the timeline managed to bring the Enterprise crew together a full five years or more before their five-year mission started (I'm not as huge a fan as I once was, and I'm too lazy to go look up the actual timeline, but Kirk served as a junior officer for a few years after Academy and was youngest Captain at 29, I think).

If they had wanted to reboot the series, fine - but what they did instead was a cheap farking retcon that actually raised more questions than it answered.

Good thing I don't take shiat seriously anymore.

/seriously
 
2012-07-28 08:40:55 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Approves

/can't believe it took this long.
 
2012-07-28 08:44:54 PM  

NeoCortex42: I still don't get the rules of the nexus. They initially get into it by being on the Enterprise-B when the nexus runs into it. Yet the villain needed to blow up a solar system to get back instead of parking a shuttle in its path.


There's a whole scene between Picard and Data which explains this when they're in the stellar cartography room.

Picard: "That's what he's doing. He's changing the course of the ribbon. But why? Why do that? Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
Data: "Records indicate that every ship that has had contact with the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged."

He could park a ship in its path, yes, and risk being killed because of the ship exploding before the Nexus transported his body into it. So he exploded stars to change the gravity well of galaxies, causing the Nexus to get close to Viridian II, allowing him to enter without risk.

And yes, I can't believe I remembered all of this. But then again, I watch a lot of Trek.
 
2012-07-28 08:51:53 PM  
i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-28 09:08:14 PM  

Keywork99: There's a whole scene between Picard and Data which explains this when they're in the stellar cartography room.

Picard: "That's what he's doing. He's changing the course of the ribbon. But why? Why do that? Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
Data: "Records indicate that every ship that has had contact with the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged."

He could park a ship in its path, yes, and risk being killed because of the ship exploding before the Nexus transported his body into it. So he exploded stars to change the gravity well of galaxies, causing the Nexus to get close to Viridian II, allowing him to enter without risk.

And yes, I can't believe I remembered all of this. But then again, I watch a lot of Trek.


The obvious solution would be to take a ship right up to the edge of the Nexus and then use its transporter to beam himself into the thing.

But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.
 
2012-07-28 09:12:20 PM  

Keywork99: NeoCortex42: I still don't get the rules of the nexus. They initially get into it by being on the Enterprise-B when the nexus runs into it. Yet the villain needed to blow up a solar system to get back instead of parking a shuttle in its path.

There's a whole scene between Picard and Data which explains this when they're in the stellar cartography room.

Picard: "That's what he's doing. He's changing the course of the ribbon. But why? Why do that? Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
Data: "Records indicate that every ship that has had contact with the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged."

He could park a ship in its path, yes, and risk being killed because of the ship exploding before the Nexus transported his body into it. So he exploded stars to change the gravity well of galaxies, causing the Nexus to get close to Viridian II, allowing him to enter without risk.

And yes, I can't believe I remembered all of this. But then again, I watch a lot of Trek.


Yeah, I remember the scene. I still think he could have just put on an EVA suit and given it a shot. For someone as obsessed as he was, and willing to kill billions, in order to get back, I don't believe he wouldn't have given an easier plan a chance. He would have either made it or died trying.

Then again, that was one of the more minor problems with the movie.
 
2012-07-28 09:13:52 PM  

FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.


And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.
 
2012-07-28 09:21:32 PM  

Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.


I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.
 
2012-07-28 09:28:33 PM  
my GOD!

/shields
//SHIELDS
 
2012-07-28 09:42:42 PM  

FirstNationalBastard:

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.


To her credit, she did that on purpose, under orders. Guess Picard and Riker knew she was good at crashing sh*t, so they let her...
 
2012-07-28 09:45:32 PM  

rewind2846: To her credit, she did that on purpose, under orders. Guess Picard and Riker knew she was good at crashing sh*t, so they let her...


It was for the insurance money.
 
2012-07-28 09:52:48 PM  
i1245.photobucket.com

he's seen a few 'shops in his time.
 
2012-07-28 09:58:24 PM  

fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%


While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.
 
2012-07-28 10:02:46 PM  

t3knomanser: fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%

While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.


I didn't think it was that bad but it wasn't nearly as good as it should have been. A movie about the Borg (before Voyager farked them up) should have been a slam dunk.
 
2012-07-28 10:06:23 PM  

NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.


I guess they were in a hurry. It's true what they say, that time is a fire in which we burn.

/The more you think about that line, the less sense it makes.
 
2012-07-28 10:14:44 PM  

bill4935: NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

I guess they were in a hurry. It's true what they say, that time is a fire in which we burn.

/The more you think about that line, the less sense it makes.


I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again.
 
2012-07-28 10:15:28 PM  

bill4935: NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

I guess they were in a hurry. It's true what they say, that time is a fire in which we burn.

/The more you think about that line, the less sense it makes.


They never should have wrote the Generations script while the show was in production.

IIRC, Generations was written concurrently with season 7. As a consequence, both suffered. S7 had a higher than usual amount of clunkers, and Generations was like a bad two part episode instead of a feature film.
 
2012-07-28 10:21:50 PM  

Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?


Ahem... August starts on Wednesday. It's FOUR months late.

That being said, it's the most profitable franchise to ever go dormant. No TV shows, no animation, no new movies in the pipeline. There might be some books out there, but the whole era is filled up. No space left in the TNG cannon, and going retro just didn't work.

It's time for a reboot into the next era.
 
2012-07-28 10:43:28 PM  

t3knomanser: fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%

While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.


Rotten Tomatoes tracks how many of its collected reviews have a positive score. It really doesn't quantify how positive those reviews actually are. You're going to get quirks.
 
2012-07-28 11:02:27 PM  

wildcardjack: Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?

Ahem... August starts on Wednesday. It's FOUR months late.

That being said, it's the most profitable franchise to ever go dormant. No TV shows, no animation, no new movies in the pipeline. There might be some books out there, but the whole era is filled up. No space left in the TNG cannon, and going retro just didn't work.

It's time for a reboot into the next era.


Enterprise was ok for what it was. Like all Trek series the first season was terrible. TNG first season just came out on Blu-Ray and it looks fantastic but the writing oh my FSM terribad. IMO Enterprise suffered because they didn't want to make it seem like their tech was beyond TOS when a lot of our tech now is beyond TOS. I mean we don't have the fictional tech of warp and matter transporters and such but computers and comunication devices and just look at TOS the proto-iPad that Yeoman Rand totes around for the Captain to write his logs on. So they nerf themselves from the begining and they really didn't take chances with their writing until they found out they were cancled and had nothing to lose. The last season especially the two parter in the mirror universe were pretty good.
 
2012-07-29 12:03:11 AM  
JJ Abrams "Star Trek: A Generic Space Movie" reminds me of the no bake cheese cakes that my ex sister in law usually make. Sure it's tasty but it's only empty calories, taste like you're eating paste and there's no thought required in making the cheesecake.

BTW the last decent Star Trek movie they made was "The Undiscovered Country".

/I like to watch movies that doesn't insult my intelligence.
//The Star Trek franchise is okay but is no match for Babylon 5 or Firefly.
 
2012-07-29 12:08:54 AM  

therecksays: wildcardjack: Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?

Ahem... August starts on Wednesday. It's FOUR months late.

That being said, it's the most profitable franchise to ever go dormant. No TV shows, no animation, no new movies in the pipeline. There might be some books out there, but the whole era is filled up. No space left in the TNG cannon, and going retro just didn't work.

It's time for a reboot into the next era.

Enterprise was ok for what it was. Like all Trek series the first season was terrible. TNG first season just came out on Blu-Ray and it looks fantastic but the writing oh my FSM terribad. IMO Enterprise suffered because they didn't want to make it seem like their tech was beyond TOS when a lot of our tech now is beyond TOS. I mean we don't have the fictional tech of warp and matter transporters and such but computers and comunication devices and just look at TOS the proto-iPad that Yeoman Rand totes around for the Captain to write his logs on. So they nerf themselves from the begining and they really didn't take chances with their writing until they found out they were cancled and had nothing to lose. The last season especially the two parter in the mirror universe were pretty good.


Yeah, ST: Enterprise had some serious problems, but there were two really great things about that show that, in my opinion, override all of the problems and make it worth watching.
 
2012-07-29 12:09:18 AM  

Gunther: fusillade762: Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies

Apart from Insurrection and the most recent one being overrated (Insurrection is farking horrible; worse than V even, and the reboot was good but not THAT good), those rankings seem pretty accurate.


Heh. My mom has burned through all the Trek series (except DS9, having trouble getting her to watch that one for some reason) and has started on the movies. She watched First Contact the other night and said she thought it was "stupid". She's now watching Insurrection and says she likes it better that First Contact. She'll probably *love* Nemesis.

Just glad taste in movies isn't genetic.
 
2012-07-29 12:24:09 AM  
Oh, and just try putting Insurrection in your queue with Netflix. They don't even have it. That should tell you something.


NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.


Trying to figure out a way to connect the old cast with the new one was bound to be full of contrivances.
 
2012-07-29 12:24:42 AM  

fusillade762: Gunther: fusillade762: Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies

Apart from Insurrection and the most recent one being overrated (Insurrection is farking horrible; worse than V even, and the reboot was good but not THAT good), those rankings seem pretty accurate.

Heh. My mom has burned through all the Trek series (except DS9, having trouble getting her to watch that one for some reason) and has started on the movies. She watched First Contact the other night and said she thought it was "stupid". She's now watching Insurrection and says she likes it better that First Contact. She'll probably *love* Nemesis.

Just glad taste in movies isn't genetic.


I don't get the hate for insurrection, I liked it
 
2012-07-29 12:27:54 AM  

LoneWolf343: t3knomanser: fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%

While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.

Rotten Tomatoes tracks how many of its collected reviews have a positive score. It really doesn't quantify how positive those reviews actually are. You're going to get quirks.


It does, actually.

Average Review: 8.1/10
 
2012-07-29 12:28:52 AM  
Oops, sorry. The 8.1/10 was for the 2009 version. First contact gets a 7.4/10.
 
2012-07-29 12:35:30 AM  

therecksays: wildcardjack: Roook: Greenlighting an April Fool's joke posted on George Takei's facebook feed 2 months late?

really Fark?

Ahem... August starts on Wednesday. It's FOUR months late.

That being said, it's the most profitable franchise to ever go dormant. No TV shows, no animation, no new movies in the pipeline. There might be some books out there, but the whole era is filled up. No space left in the TNG cannon, and going retro just didn't work.

It's time for a reboot into the next era.

Enterprise was ok for what it was. Like all Trek series the first season was terrible. TNG first season just came out on Blu-Ray and it looks fantastic but the writing oh my FSM terribad. IMO Enterprise suffered because they didn't want to make it seem like their tech was beyond TOS when a lot of our tech now is beyond TOS. I mean we don't have the fictional tech of warp and matter transporters and such but computers and comunication devices and just look at TOS the proto-iPad that Yeoman Rand totes around for the Captain to write his logs on. So they nerf themselves from the begining and they really didn't take chances with their writing until they found out they were cancled and had nothing to lose. The last season especially the two parter in the mirror universe were pretty good.


Personally my idea would be to launch a new series with Enterprise-B in the new universe, basically your launch episode opens incredibly similar to how Generations opens, except in the reboot universe, Captain Kirk isn't aboard, whatever explanation for that flies because its not terribly important except for the fact he isn't there. Anyway they come across the nexus and with no kirk captain "lets leave spacedock without anything useful on the ship" has to go down and reprogram the deflector dish and gets killed/nexused etc.

Now we make helmsman Sulu the Captain and maybe we can have a female captain who isn't Janeway, cause frankly I find Janeway fairly 'eh' as far as captains go. Then you can launch a series roughly in the technological ballpark of TNG (without being all the way there) and you can kind of reboot the universe there.

That being said, I think it has to be more or less admitted that after this many series, I think they need to take a new look at the whole universe and see what they can do, perhaps more DS9 style overarching, and no damn temporal cold war. You can even suggest that due to the destruction of Vulcan and the Romulan Ship coming back through time and wiping out a bunch of Klingon fleets that a whole new race of major players are kicking around in the Alpha Quadrant. Model them off of the Chinese like the Klingons were the Russians. Avoid parody races like the Ferengi.
 
2012-07-29 12:38:10 AM  
I like how the reboot Romulans were just bald angry dudes with facial tattoos and badass trenchcoats.
 
2012-07-29 12:43:05 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: I don't get the hate for insurrection, I liked it


I remember not minding it when I first saw it at the cinema, but I caught it a year or so ago on TV and found it surprisingly painful to sit through; it really has not aged well, despite only coming out a decade ago. The script is lazy and filled with plot holes, the actors all look bored and disinterested and the pacing is slower than a TNG episode. Come to think of it, it actually feels like they took some random episode and stretched it out to feature length. That'd explain the lack of budget and the shiatty special effects, at least.

Nemesis actually holds up slightly better on a rewatch despite having an even worse script. The actors all do a much better job, presumably because they know it's their last time in those roles.
 
2012-07-29 12:49:15 AM  

rewind2846: Remember, Nero screwed up the timeline


So nothing matters anymore. I'm surprised they didn't get Ensign Spiderman to sign a contract with Mephisto ending his marriage with Commodore Mary Jane.
When you shiat on what came before, don't be too surprised when no one gives a damn about what comes after.
Damn, and I thought they farked over the Hulk movies.
Nero sucked
/reboot
//reboot
///reboot
 
2012-07-29 01:36:09 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: NeoCortex42: FirstNationalBastard: rewind2846: NeoCortex42: And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

All she had to do was drive the saucer section away! All that three dimensional space out there and she couldn't avoid a planet?

/women
//lol

Then, in Nemesis, she crashed the Enterprise E.

Women drivers still suck in the 24th century.

/except Ensign Ro, and the DS9 broads.
//But Janeway? She couldn't even figure out the concept of connecting a timer detonator to a bomb!

Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.

Wouldn't have worked.

She would have been just another Starfleet subordinate to Sisko. You would have always known she would eventually listen to him and do what he said.

With Kira, she was a Bajoran military officer. She could go off the reservation and what could Sisko do about it if the Bajorans didn't mind?

/I did like the idea I read about that the post-TV show novels had Ro as a Bajoran military officer and head of DS9 security after Odo left.

Oh, and after watching TNG's Rascals last night...

[i6.photobucket.com image 640x524]


Oh great. Now I have a mental picture of O'Brien saying "and you thought it was too tight before..."
 
2012-07-29 01:53:39 AM  

fusillade762: LoneWolf343: t3knomanser: fusillade762: Star Trek First Contact - 92%

While it's the best of the Next Gen movies, First Contact was friggin' terrible. I'll take those RT ratings with a grain of salt.

Rotten Tomatoes tracks how many of its collected reviews have a positive score. It really doesn't quantify how positive those reviews actually are. You're going to get quirks.

It does, actually.

Average Review: 8.1/10


Okay, the main rating does not quantify how positive the reviews actually are.
 
2012-07-29 02:31:22 AM  

FuturePastNow: Keywork99: There's a whole scene between Picard and Data which explains this when they're in the stellar cartography room.

Picard: "That's what he's doing. He's changing the course of the ribbon. But why? Why do that? Why doesn't he just fly into it with a ship?"
Data: "Records indicate that every ship that has had contact with the Nexus has either been destroyed or severely damaged."

He could park a ship in its path, yes, and risk being killed because of the ship exploding before the Nexus transported his body into it. So he exploded stars to change the gravity well of galaxies, causing the Nexus to get close to Viridian II, allowing him to enter without risk.

And yes, I can't believe I remembered all of this. But then again, I watch a lot of Trek.

The obvious solution would be to take a ship right up to the edge of the Nexus and then use its transporter to beam himself into the thing.

But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.


You couldn't "beam into" the Nexus, because the Nexus wasn't a place... it was energy, thought, desire, want, need, whatever you wished it to be. It existed outside of normal space-time, as evidenced by Kirk's rather youthful looks 70+ years into the future, and why the same day passed for him over and over without his knowledge (where he finally asks his girl to marry him over breakfast).

You had to literally let the Nexus absorb you, and ya can't do that from a ship without some serious hurt to that ship... that's why it took something as massive as a planet and its gravity well to do the trick. To use the transporter you had to have two sets coordinates, where you are and where you want to be, even if either place is moving in space-time (like a ship at warp)... the Nexus wasn't IN space-time as we know it, so you couldn't get there from here anyway.
 
2012-07-29 02:54:22 AM  
Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.
 
2012-07-29 03:07:10 AM  

bluorangefyre: How did she get to be an admiral over Picard?


The short version is that her character was beloved by executive producer Jeri Taylor, who wrote all of the "Janeway is so awesome and perfect and everyone loves her!!!" episodes.
 
2012-07-29 03:13:57 AM  

bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.


If you put her at a desk, she can't directly lose a starship. That's my theory.
 
2012-07-29 03:16:10 AM  
Someone! When is JJ Abrams showing up at a con in Los Angeles???

I'd pay good money for a chance to kick his ass.
 
2012-07-29 03:17:15 AM  
Don't forget one of the worse fark ups in Generations . . . a star fleet engineer with years of experience completely forgets how to eject a warp core.

If only they could have had some kind of system built expressly so you don't have to lose the ship in case of a core breech. Say a dumb mechanical system, maybe using explosive bolts?

/why yes I DID have the Next Gen Tech Manual . . .

Everybody (including myself) cracks onTroi's driving, but the worst engineer in Starfleet always gets a pass for skipping step one of "HOW TO SAVE YOUR SHIP FROM A PENDING WARP CORE EXPLOSION" manual.

We get it, you wanted to wreck the D, but you didn't have to make her go out like a biatch. They did it to the Defiant too the bastards.

How awful is it that out of all the hero ships various destructions portrayed in Trek FARKING VOYAGER goes out the most bad assed of them all? (Year of Hell)
 
2012-07-29 03:17:23 AM  

bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.


The Federation was really hard-up after the Dominion War, and they were promoting anyone?

...except Picard, because apparently, they didn't trust him because of the whole Borg thing.
And if you really need a reason to hate Nemesis even more, it's been rumored that the Admiral cameo of Janeway's was originally supposed to be Admiral Seven of Nine.
 
2012-07-29 03:45:40 AM  
Ok my last post got me thinking about best hero ship-Deaths . . .

Voyager - Year of Hell
Enterprise - Search for Spock
Enterprise D - Yesterday's Enterprise.
Enterprise D - The time loopy episode where they crash into the Miranda-class
Defiant - *SOB* Can't remember the episode title
Enterprise D - Generations

Don't remember the NX getting any death scenes but I haven't watched Enterprise since the original airings.
I would also like to say, that while Voyager's was a little more badass, the STIII death of the Enterprise had the most emotional impact for me, only the loss of the Defiant comes close on that count.
 
2012-07-29 03:48:06 AM  

bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.


Admirals can command ships, but they get the gravy, official runs. They aren't supposed to do anything that smacks of excitement or exploration. Which of the two would YOU prefer to do the heavy lifting, and which one would you prefer to be middle management?

She brought her ship back in a tenth of the projected time, with a ton of experience that Starfleet can't ignore. As middle management, she has the rank to be suitably impressive for ceremonial work and can disseminate her accumulated wisdom to the fleet as needed. I'm sure she's in demand on the lecture circuit as an admiral.
 
2012-07-29 04:21:45 AM  

Mugato: NeoCortex42: fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%

I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

I've always said that very thing. It's a little dopey that they resurrected Spock at all but that was the premise, it's not the movie's fault. It had a lot of cool elements.


I'm honestly surprised they've kept Data dead as long as they have.
 
2012-07-29 04:26:20 AM  

Neums: Mugato: NeoCortex42: fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%

I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).

I've always said that very thing. It's a little dopey that they resurrected Spock at all but that was the premise, it's not the movie's fault. It had a lot of cool elements.

I'm honestly surprised they've kept Data dead as long as they have.


First, the comic book prequels to Star Trek: The Lens Flare Picture have Data's mind restored in B4's body.

Second, Brent Spiner is too old to play Data. He's said so himself. Of course, the easy way around that would be for Data to do some physical renovations on himself so they can slap someone new in the gold paint.

...but don't tell Paramount about that idea. Please. They've done enough.
 
2012-07-29 04:42:51 AM  

NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


[SPOILERS!!!]

Read the expanded universe books. Took over for Odo as security chief (militia), became the "Kira" to the guy who took over after Kira and was reinstated into the UFP when Bajor joined and commissions were offered to interested Militia members (though some stayed Militia), then she eventually became the captain.

PsyLord: I'm not even sure how that would work out since Ro basically backstabbed Picard ("The Federation") and joined the Maqui. So having her as the head Bajoran at DS9 that would then have to interact with The Federation would be pretty awkward.


Just because she betrayed the Federation doesn't mean the Bajoran militia wouldn't welcome her with open arms (they did). And Picard understood her motivations and advocated for her and fought to have that expunged from her record.

theurge14: I like how the reboot Romulans were just bald angry dudes with facial tattoos and badass trenchcoats.


I can't explain the trenchcoats part, but they left the explanation of the tattoos and baldness to be spelled out in the prequel comics. That's how Romulans mourn their dead, by shaving their heads and adorning their bodies with ceremonial remembrance tattoos.
 
2012-07-29 04:50:26 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: First, the comic book prequels to Star Trek: The Lens Flare Picture have Data's mind restored in B4's body.


Oh, I'm aware of the B4 part. But you forget, B4's positronic network is waaay too primitive, compared to Data's. So, while it's there, he's nothing more than a mere facsimile.

That said, seeing as how they've practically brought everybody (and I mean everybody) back into the fold in the expanded universe books, and there's an upcoming trilogy involving A.I.'s and androids, I wouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised if Data is finally resurrected. Perfect way to do so, anyway, is in the novels. That way, if they writers fark it up, it's still technically non-canon.
 
2012-07-29 05:08:15 AM  

Neums: FirstNationalBastard: First, the comic book prequels to Star Trek: The Lens Flare Picture have Data's mind restored in B4's body.

Oh, I'm aware of the B4 part. But you forget, B4's positronic network is waaay too primitive, compared to Data's. So, while it's there, he's nothing more than a mere facsimile.

That said, seeing as how they've practically brought everybody (and I mean everybody) back into the fold in the expanded universe books, and there's an upcoming trilogy involving A.I.'s and androids, I wouldn't be the tiniest bit surprised if Data is finally resurrected. Perfect way to do so, anyway, is in the novels. That way, if they writers fark it up, it's still technically non-canon.


No, the comic prequels had Data's mind fully restored in B4's body. B4 had been overwritten by Data. Data was fully resurrected, and Captain of the Enterprise E. So, he has been resurrected, and even his tarded little brother's mind was saved so they could eventually build him a new body.

Here's a Trek expanded Universe wiki article.
 
2012-07-29 06:18:20 AM  
Come on, Admins.

i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-07-29 07:09:06 AM  
Why do the best movie ideas turn out to be jokes? It's like concept cars: Here's something you would absolutely love so we're not going to make it.
 
2012-07-29 08:44:39 AM  

fusillade762: Oh, and just try putting Insurrection in your queue with Netflix. They don't even have it. That should tell you something.


NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

Trying to figure out a way to connect the old cast with the new one was bound to be full of contrivances.


How they should have done it:

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-07-29 09:15:44 AM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: bill4935: NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

I guess they were in a hurry. It's true what they say, that time is a fire in which we burn.

/The more you think about that line, the less sense it makes.

I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again.


I was raised to believe that death is but a door, time is but a window, I'll be back.
 
2012-07-29 09:23:31 AM  
Ok 2 things:

*There aren't enough black Bajorans for Lisa to be one.

*While generations is terrible on multiple levels, it did allow Shatner to write "The Return". And that book is really good.

/p.s. Could somone link to Red Letter Media's Generations review AND The onions "Star trek fans decry new movie as 'fun and enjoyable' " please?
//on the bus heading to job #3
 
2012-07-29 09:36:19 AM  

AtlanticCoast63: fusillade762: Oh, and just try putting Insurrection in your queue with Netflix. They don't even have it. That should tell you something.


NeoCortex42: Mugato: FuturePastNow: But, if Soran had done that, we wouldn't have been treated to the Federation's flagship being destroyed in the most embarrassing manner possible.

And if Picard left the Nexus and went to where he first met Soren and threw him in the brig instead of 5 minutes before the rocket launch....well I guess they wouldn't have a movie.

I can deal with a movie having a few dumbass moments or internal inconsistencies, but Generations is built out of them from the ground up. The script should have never been approved as it was.

Trying to figure out a way to connect the old cast with the new one was bound to be full of contrivances.

How they should have done it:

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 232x380]


There's already been a filmed crossover better than Generations: Trials and Tribulations.

With all the time-travel devices Star Trek has come up with over the years, the Nexus was easily the worst. I think a better option would have been revisiting the Guardian of Forever and using that as a way to go back to old-Trek days.
 
2012-07-29 09:43:20 AM  

NeoCortex42: With all the time-travel devices Star Trek has come up with over the years, the Nexus was easily the worst. I think a better option would have been revisiting the Guardian of Forever and using that as a way to go back to old-Trek days.


I think with some tweaking, "Yesterday's Enterprise" would have made a good crossover movie between generations.
 
2012-07-29 10:38:36 AM  

Jim from Saint Paul: I was raised to believe that death is but a door, time is but a window, I'll be back.


Fruit flies like a banana.
 
2012-07-29 11:12:12 AM  
No, no, it's the time flies that like the banana. The little buzzy wuzzy time flies.
 
2012-07-29 11:46:10 AM  
Has anyone biatched about lens flares yet? Cuz that last movie had a lot of them, in case you hadn't noticed.
 
2012-07-29 12:03:14 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Ok 2 things:

*There aren't enough black Bajorans for Lisa to be one.

*While generations is terrible on multiple levels, it did allow Shatner to write "The Return". And that book is really good.

/p.s. Could somone link to Red Letter Media's Generations review AND The onions "Star trek fans decry new movie as 'fun and enjoyable' " please?
//on the bus heading to job #3


Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'
 
2012-07-29 01:11:25 PM  

fusillade762: I'll just leave this here:

----------------------

Rotten Tomatoes Rankings of Star Trek Movies

Star Trek TMP - 47%

Star Trek II - 90%

Star Trek III - 77%

Star Trek IV - 84%

Star Trek V - 21%

Star Trek VI - 83%

Star Trek Generations - 48%

Star Trek First Contact - 92%

Star Trek Insurrection - 56%

Star Trek Nemesis - 38%

Star Trek (2009) - 95%


Wow, thats terrible. Nemesis was good enough if only for the battle scene with the E, Valdore warbirds, and the Scimitar.
 
Skr
2012-07-29 01:30:17 PM  
www.guildwars2.com
Excelsior?

/one track mind
 
2012-07-29 02:37:59 PM  

bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.
.


I hate voyager but if you say her "only other accomplishment" was destroying the most dangerous enemy the federation ever faced, its kind of a compliment.
 
2012-07-29 07:12:35 PM  
Alternate timeline, people. Nero and Spock Prime's arrival and actions means that things won't go the same as in the Prime timeline. Stop raging about "IT'S DESTROYING CONTINUITY!!" when it's happening in a different timeline and is having no effect on the events of TOS, TNG, DS9, and VOY.

The events of ENT still happened, since it was before the point Nero and Spock Prime cane in, but considering what that series did to established continuity we should pretend ENT never happened.

/also, Trekkies can be more insane about pointless shiat than Sonic fans, Final Fantasy fans, and Star Wars fans
//this is from a Trekkie in a family of Trekkies
 
2012-07-29 07:20:08 PM  

NeoCortex42: fusillade762: Star Trek III - 77%

I still say Search for Spock gets put down more than it deserves, probably because of that even/odd Trek movie "rule". It introduced "modern" Klingons, played by Chirstopher Lloyd and John Laroquette, as well as the Bird of Prey. They killed that waste of plot Kirk fathered. And they blew up the Enterprise (as opposed to crashing it because they let the ship's therapist drive).


Search for Spock is my favorite of the odd-numbered movies. Lots of action, good character moments, all the characters get to shine, the introduction of the Bird-of-Prey, Kruge was a cool villain, and the soundtrack is awesome (especially the Klingon theme).
 
2012-07-29 07:24:18 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: bluorangefyre: Since somebody had to mention Janeway:

How did she get to be an admiral over Picard? She got her ship lost for seven years, yet she got to be an admiral. Nevermind that her only other accomplishment was destroying the Borg, she got lost for seven years and got promoted over a more accomplished Captain Picard.

Somebody explain this discrepency without resorting to, "But Kirk told Picard to stay on the Enterprise," since Kirk himself was a freaking admiral and still got to be in command of the Enterprise.

The Federation was really hard-up after the Dominion War, and they were promoting anyone?

...except Picard, because apparently, they didn't trust him because of the whole Borg thing.
And if you really need a reason to hate Nemesis even more, it's been rumored that the Admiral cameo of Janeway's was originally supposed to be Admiral Seven of Nine.


The biggest problem with "Nemesis" is that an entire 1/3 of the movie was cut for time. And what was cut was nearly all character scenes, plot-developing scenes, and other scenes that helped the movie make sense. They put hardly any of them on the DVD, which was really stupid.

And it had the same basic problem all the TNG movies had: it was The Picard And Data Show, with all the other characters in bit parts.
 
2012-07-29 10:00:46 PM  

theurge14: Jim from Saint Paul: Ok 2 things:

*There aren't enough black Bajorans for Lisa to be one.

*While generations is terrible on multiple levels, it did allow Shatner to write "The Return". And that book is really good.

/p.s. Could somone link to Red Letter Media's Generations review AND The onions "Star trek fans decry new movie as 'fun and enjoyable' " please?
//on the bus heading to job #3

Trekkies Bash New Star Trek Film As 'Fun, Watchable'


*internet fistbump*
 
2012-07-30 09:13:13 AM  

FloydA: bloobeary: Gilbert Gottfried as a Ferengi. That alone is worth the cost of a ticket.


I'm a bit confused about that. Surely they don't mean that he was Sulu's first officer. Official first contact with the Ferengi wasn't until 2364, so unless Sulu was captain of the Excelsior for more than 75 years, I can't see how he could have had a Ferengi First Officer.

Something is amiss.



Fo' shizzle, my nizzle..
 
2012-07-30 09:18:14 AM  
www.pageofreviews.com
 
2012-07-30 09:47:32 AM  
Fark is linking to Facebook posts? That sucks like Takai after two bottles of wine.
 
2012-07-30 10:12:32 AM  

acaciaavenue: Fark is linking to Facebook posts? That sucks like Takai after two bottles of wine.


Pretty sure he doesn't even need ONE to get started.
 
2012-07-30 01:19:19 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: acaciaavenue: Fark is linking to Facebook posts? That sucks like Takai after two bottles of wine.

Pretty sure he doesn't even need ONE to get started.


The second bottle is to get him to finish dammit!
 
2012-07-30 09:49:59 PM  

NeoCortex42: Speaking of Ro and DS9, I sometimes still wonder how much better DS9 could have been if the original plan to carry Ro over had gone through instead of the actress bailing.


Michelle Forbes would have had the mojo to get Kira much, much better lines and plots. But then Michelle Forbes probably would have quit halfway through the third season anyway. I like her a lot (and I loved DS9, Kira's one-note character notwithstanding) but she's just not "Trek."
 
2012-07-30 09:57:48 PM  

FloydA: Yeah, ST: Enterprise had some serious problems, but there were two really great things about that show that, in my opinion, override all of the problems and make it worth watching.


Jolene and Blalock, eh?
 
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