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(MSNBC)   USPS assures public that they'll handle the challenge of election day absentee ballots as soon as they complete delivery of votes to seal Thomas Dewey's victory   (nbcpolitics.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 22
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2012-07-28 09:14:36 AM  
How about Congress stop being such bum sniffers and undo the farked up pension requirements they imposed on the Postal Service?
 
2012-07-28 11:19:58 AM  

EngineerAU: How about Congress stop being such bum sniffers and undo the farked up pension requirements they imposed on the Postal Service?


That and allow them to transport beer and alcohol instead of leaving that to just UPS and FedEx.
 
2012-07-28 12:23:10 PM  

OhioUGrad: That and allow them to transport beer and alcohol instead of leaving that to just UPS and FedEx.


Or allow me to transport booze. I'll do it for free but won't make any promises on actual delivery.
 
2012-07-28 02:11:26 PM  
To be fair, the USPS is doing something that almost no private company is forced to do : FULLY FUNDING ITS PENSIONS.
 
2012-07-28 02:17:58 PM  

rubi_con_man: To be fair, the USPS is doing something that almost no private company is forced to do : FULLY FUNDING ITS PENSIONS.


Pensions? How DARE you stick up for the UNIONS! USPS employees should make AT MOST $10 an hour with no benefits, just like the rest of us.
 
2012-07-28 02:30:10 PM  

Cheesus: rubi_con_man: To be fair, the USPS is doing something that almost no private company is forced to do : FULLY FUNDING ITS PENSIONS.

Pensions? How DARE you stick up for the UNIONS! USPS employees should make AT MOST $10 an hour with no benefits, just like the rest of us.


Yeah, I just think that when you offer people compensation... you know ... you should actually GET IT.

Like those "Contractually obligatory bonuses" that simply had to be paid out to the scumbags that wrecked the economy a few years ago.
 
2012-07-28 02:49:06 PM  
In King County, WA, we do ALL voting by mail. It's actually quite nice, as it is very conveninent and it also allows me to really research the candidates and ballot initiatives online before making my vote. I don't understand why every state doesn't do this. It is such a good method of democracy compared to having to go to the local polling place.
 
2012-07-28 04:00:28 PM  

Mad_Radhu: r


how many ballots have you got to send in, personally? Mr. Radhu, Mr Mad, Mr. Donald, Mr. Duck... Yay, no Photo ID!
 
2012-07-28 04:41:15 PM  

IronTom: Mad_Radhu: r

how many ballots have you got to send in, personally? Mr. Radhu, Mr Mad, Mr. Donald, Mr. Duck... Yay, no Photo ID!


They mail you the ballots based on your voter registration information. If you have 20 people registered at one physical address, its going to send up a huge red flag and you can hammer those people with election fraud (and possibly mail fraud) charges.

Anyway, voter fraud is in reality something that happens at incredibly low rates. To me it seems much more damaging to democracy to make voting such a pain in the ass that no one participates in the process except for the hard core partisans. Making people show up at the polls on a Tuesday and stand in line to make their voices heard is incredibly disenfranchising to busy people that have a job and kids to deal with, and don't have a lot of extra time to spend during the week to go out and vote. I'd much rather have a more accessible voting system, rather than making it a draconian series of hoops to be jumped through in a effort to make sure there is absolutely no fraud.
 
2012-07-28 05:32:08 PM  
Postal service usually does well by me, but they lost my 1996 absentee ballot, and I was unable to travel to vote in person. Talked to the city clerk later and they said a LOT of ballots were "lost" that year. They mailed them but many, many people never got them (sounded like around 100). I suspect that, given the area is largely Republican (obviously not Ann Arbor), some union postal employee decided to "lose" lots of ballots. Yeah, that's a federal crime, and most won't do it, but there's always someone. And there's no other likely explanation. One missing is "lost in the mail." 100, when the local post office is usually known for efficiency? Not so much.

/Union stewards have prime parking spots reserved. Dirtbag citizens/customers have to walk further, of course.
 
2012-07-28 05:33:51 PM  

IronTom: Mad_Radhu: r

how many ballots have you got to send in, personally? Mr. Radhu, Mr Mad, Mr. Donald, Mr. Duck... Yay, no Photo ID!


Look, it's great that they are willing to send a ballot across an ocean to me, but every time I vote from abroad, I just fill out a piece of paper, drop it in the mail and hope that it arrives (on time) and is actually counted.

Forcing someone to come to the embassy to vote would not really be fair to anyone outside of the capital, but this could all be solved very easily with online voting. I can get a confirmation that my Amazon order has been placed, but I have no idea if my vote counts (I know... it doesn't)
 
2012-07-28 06:53:41 PM  

Cajnik: IronTom: Mad_Radhu: r

how many ballots have you got to send in, personally? Mr. Radhu, Mr Mad, Mr. Donald, Mr. Duck... Yay, no Photo ID!

Look, it's great that they are willing to send a ballot across an ocean to me, but every time I vote from abroad, I just fill out a piece of paper, drop it in the mail and hope that it arrives (on time) and is actually counted.

Forcing someone to come to the embassy to vote would not really be fair to anyone outside of the capital, but this could all be solved very easily with online voting. I can get a confirmation that my Amazon order has been placed, but I have no idea if my vote counts (I know... it doesn't)


IIRC, absentee ballots are only counted if the gap between candidates is less than the number of absentee ballots they have on hand, at least in some places. Same with the provisional ballots you get if you aren't properly registered or whatever.
 
2012-07-28 07:35:45 PM  
USPS does alright. The best part is, when Joe Douchbagger in Nowhere, SD cheers when the USPS is brought down, he'll wake up next week and realize that UPS and FedEx ain't gonna deliver mail to Nowhere, SD without a substantial surcharge. A really substantial surcharge.

That, folks, will be the funniest day for us "lib" trolls.
 
2012-07-28 11:21:17 PM  

Cheesus: rubi_con_man: To be fair, the USPS is doing something that almost no private company is forced to do : FULLY FUNDING ITS PENSIONS.

Pensions? How DARE you stick up for the UNIONS! USPS employees should make AT MOST $10 an hour with no benefits, just like the rest of us.


I know this was sarcastic, but I'll say it yet again (with another variation): If you're jealous of what a postal worker makes, there are two people to blame, and neither of them is a postal worker.
 
2012-07-28 11:33:06 PM  
i tried to vote absentee in 2008. i mailed the ballot and the day before election day i got it returned. i don't know if the machine that reads the addresses is retarded or the person who designed the envelope was retarded....either was i refuse to vote absentee again.
 
2012-07-29 12:46:56 AM  

IlGreven: Cheesus: rubi_con_man: To be fair, the USPS is doing something that almost no private company is forced to do : FULLY FUNDING ITS PENSIONS.

Pensions? How DARE you stick up for the UNIONS! USPS employees should make AT MOST $10 an hour with no benefits, just like the rest of us.

I know this was sarcastic, but I'll say it yet again (with another variation): If you're jealous of what a postal worker makes, there are two people to blame, and neither of them is a postal worker.


Is one of them Oprah? One of them is Oprah, isn't it?
 
2012-07-29 05:25:38 AM  
This article is sheer panic-peddling BS.

When I told various folks at the USPS processing center where I work at about this article, they all rolled their eyes.

Daily operations are NOT being hindered.

In fact, what a lot of people overlook is this: The postal service has more employees than the work available. Hello, email and pay your bills online!

Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on your mindset, the USPS can't just willynilly pink slip employees.

This is why the USPS is currently making aggressive pushes for people to take early retirement.

At last count, if I remember correctly, it's still about 400k employees away from being perfectly suited for the volume of mail currently handled.
 
2012-07-29 07:10:13 AM  
I sort of vote by mail. I receive the ballot by mail, but instead of mailing it in I drop it in a box at the local library which is collected directly by the election people.
 
2012-07-29 07:31:50 AM  
Okay, look, let's be serious. How much work would be involved in the following plan. Commission a group of competent hardware nerds to make a reference design for a basic internet-connected document scanner, open source all the way through. Any company can release a product based on this design that meets basic UL standards. It just scans the paper you give it, encrypts the file with your private key and the recipient's public key, and uploads it to a particular service on the internet. The recipient may download it to their own computer to read, may print it at their own expense, etc.

The particular service charges a fee and requires authentication to upload, but does not charge a fee to download. This creates a filter against junk mail. The existing Internet is not compromised and you can still use email or any other communication medium you like just as of now.

Documents that have not been downloaded in a timely manner are then printed and delivered to your existing mailbox, for a fee, charged to you, the receiver, that reflects the fair and reasonable price of performing this single action.
 
2012-07-29 08:11:25 AM  
I, for one, appreciated the Thomas Dewey joke. Don't see a lot of those these days.
 
2012-07-29 10:28:19 AM  

mcmnky: IlGreven: Cheesus: rubi_con_man: To be fair, the USPS is doing something that almost no private company is forced to do : FULLY FUNDING ITS PENSIONS.

Pensions? How DARE you stick up for the UNIONS! USPS employees should make AT MOST $10 an hour with no benefits, just like the rest of us.

I know this was sarcastic, but I'll say it yet again (with another variation): If you're jealous of what a postal worker makes, there are two people to blame, and neither of them is a postal worker.

Is one of them Oprah? One of them is Oprah, isn't it?


If your boss is Oprah and she's paying you less than a postal worker, then yes, one of them is Oprah.
 
2012-07-30 01:12:02 AM  

Cajnik: Forcing someone to come to the embassy to vote would not really be fair to anyone outside of the capital, but this could all be solved very easily with online voting. I can get a confirmation that my Amazon order has been placed, but I have no idea if my vote counts (I know... it doesn't)


Oh god no. The internet is not nearly secure enough. ffs. Go read about diebold machines.
 
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