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(The Big Lead)   Zach Greinke traded to the Angels. Cool if you're an Angels fan. If you're a Brewers fan, at least you're still drunk   (thebiglead.com) divider line 43
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2012-07-28 08:29:21 AM
When asked how he felt about the trade, new Angel Zack Greinke stared blankly at the interviewer for a full 5 minutes.
 
2012-07-28 10:30:10 AM
Why is everything on FARK a day late and a dollar short?

Is it that hard to approve links?
 
2012-07-28 10:41:10 AM
Well, at least he didn't come back to the AL central.
 
2012-07-28 10:45:06 AM
Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.
 
2012-07-28 10:55:34 AM
Pfft, he's their problem now...have fun with the sticker shock.

/I'm thinking about $140/6 years.
 
2012-07-28 11:03:41 AM
Dammit, I wanted my White Sox to grab him. At least he didn't go to another team in the AL Central.
 
2012-07-28 11:06:57 AM
cool!
 
2012-07-28 11:14:33 AM
If you're a Royals fan, give up all hope.
 
2012-07-28 11:21:16 AM
Every team looking to trade for him basically blew it. They could have had him for the amount they are paying AND not have had to give up players too.
 
2012-07-28 11:30:52 AM
On a team with a decent bullpen this guy might get several more Cy Youngs.
 
2012-07-28 11:36:00 AM
Christ did the Brewers' playoff window close quickly. Cards fan so I'm not exactly losing sleep over this, but still...damn.

With no Astros to automatically fill the last spot in the division next year it's almost impossible to believe it might be the Brewers after some of the teams they've had over the past couple of years.
 
2012-07-28 11:40:42 AM

Shrugging Atlas: Christ did the Brewers' playoff window close quickly. Cards fan so I'm not exactly losing sleep over this, but still...damn.

With no Astros to automatically fill the last spot in the division next year it's almost impossible to believe it might be the Brewers after some of the teams they've had over the past couple of years.


It closed faster than our bullpen gave up 5 run leads. Which was pretty quick.
 
2012-07-28 12:15:40 PM
Has anyone pointed out that he wasn't traded to the AL Central?
 
2012-07-28 12:35:46 PM
Paying a lot for a guy who wasn't even an all-star...
 
2012-07-28 12:41:31 PM
Big winners here are the Nationals. He was rumored to be going to Atlanta. He's basically just a spoiled brat who either wants more money before his last contract is up or he wants to play for a winner who can pay big bucks. He's no Sandy Koufax.
 
2012-07-28 12:44:37 PM
On the positive side for Brewer fans, at least Front Row Amy is staying put.
 
2012-07-28 12:47:21 PM

justabitdisturbed: SharkTrager: Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.

It's a good thing he's pitching in Anaheim then, isn't it?


Are you one of those people who insist that the Jets and Giants are actually New Jersey teams?
 
2012-07-28 12:54:26 PM

Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: SharkTrager: Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.

It's a good thing he's pitching in Anaheim then, isn't it?

Are you one of those people who insist that the Jets and Giants are actually New Jersey teams?


Ladies and gentlemen we may have found the first person to actually buy into the Angels name change garbage.
 
2012-07-28 01:01:04 PM

Decillion: Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: SharkTrager: Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.

It's a good thing he's pitching in Anaheim then, isn't it?

Are you one of those people who insist that the Jets and Giants are actually New Jersey teams?

Ladies and gentlemen we may have found the first person to actually buy into the Angels name change garbage.


It's not buying the name change, it's understanding that, shockingly, Anaheim's proximity to LA means dealing with all of the same issues as being in LA while being stuck in Orange County.
 
2012-07-28 01:18:05 PM
He wasn't traded to an AL central team.

What is it about the state of Wisconsin that simply cannot retain professional athletes outside of Green Bay? Is it the fact that they have Green Bay and everything else doesn't matter?
 
2012-07-28 01:30:13 PM

Decillion: Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: SharkTrager: Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.

It's a good thing he's pitching in Anaheim then, isn't it?

Are you one of those people who insist that the Jets and Giants are actually New Jersey teams?

Ladies and gentlemen we may have found the first person to actually buy into the Angels name change garbage.


What media market do the Angels play in? What TV stations do Angels fans watch? What newspapers to Angels fans read? We're talking about whether Greinke's psyche can hold up in the LA media market, and you're actually buying into the proposition that it will be different because he's on the other side of an arbitrary boundary. Don't be stupid.
 
2012-07-28 01:32:24 PM

SharkTrager: Decillion: Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: SharkTrager: Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.

It's a good thing he's pitching in Anaheim then, isn't it?

Are you one of those people who insist that the Jets and Giants are actually New Jersey teams?

Ladies and gentlemen we may have found the first person to actually buy into the Angels name change garbage.

It's not buying the name change, it's understanding that, shockingly, Anaheim's proximity to LA means dealing with all of the same issues as being in LA while being stuck in Orange County.


Anaheim is nothing like Los Angeles. He'll never even have to travel to LA the rest of this season unless the Angels and Dodgers somehow meet in the World Series.

Plus, Disneyland is down the street. I mean come on now, that's what's important here.
 
2012-07-28 01:44:02 PM

great_tigers: He wasn't traded to an AL central team.

What is it about the state of Wisconsin that simply cannot retain professional athletes outside of Green Bay? Is it the fact that they have Green Bay and everything else doesn't matter?


If "Beer" and "Sausage" could field a team, the Brewers would barely be the 5th most popular sports franchise in the state.
 
2012-07-28 01:55:05 PM

Marine1: If you're a Royals fan, give up all hope.


Hey now. Grienke can go be a headcase somwhere else. Yes we suck and we need pitchers but our biggest problem are in our players heads. Team cancer, etc.

Besides at least we aren't the Padres. Or Astros. Sigh.
 
2012-07-28 02:23:31 PM

great_tigers: He wasn't traded to an AL central team.

What is it about the state of Wisconsin that simply cannot retain professional athletes outside of Green Bay? Is it the fact that they have Green Bay and everything else doesn't matter?


It's lots of things. First among many is that the NFL has shared revenue and MLB doesn't.
 
2012-07-28 02:27:40 PM

pdieten: It's lots of things. First among many is that the NFL has shared revenue and MLB doesn't.


False.
 
2012-07-28 02:57:46 PM
Considering the Angels luck in past big trades -- Kazmir, Teixeira -- I'm not expecting much.
 
2012-07-28 03:03:43 PM

The Bestest: pdieten: It's lots of things. First among many is that the NFL has shared revenue and MLB doesn't.

False.


Well, that's certainly a devastating argument. I know that minds have been changed all over the world with that single-word reply.

So, why don't you share your brilliant insights with us as to why the Brewers can't find the means to re-sign a pitcher such as C.C. Sabathia or Zack Greinke?

Difficulty 1: The Brewers are not owned by Bud Selig. They are now majority-owned by a hyper-competitive investment banker who runs the team at roughly break-even.
Difficulty 2: Attendance at Miller Park has routinely in the top half of all major league teams over the last couple years, with attendance at or near 3 million for 3 years straight. Despite this, the Brewers are always in the bottom half of all teams in total revenue.
Difficulty 3: The Packers and Brewers operate in the same TV market.
 
2012-07-28 03:05:22 PM
The best part of this trade is giving the Angels space to move E Santana.
 
2012-07-28 03:13:49 PM

The Bestest: pdieten: It's lots of things. First among many is that the NFL has shared revenue and MLB doesn't.

False.


Ok, they have a tiny bit of revenue sharing... but by no means is it in the same *universe* of the NFL.

If they had any relevant revenue sharing, the term "small market team" would never come up.
 
2012-07-28 03:31:44 PM

pdieten: The Bestest: pdieten: It's lots of things. First among many is that the NFL has shared revenue and MLB doesn't.

False.

Well, that's certainly a devastating argument. I know that minds have been changed all over the world with that single-word reply.

So, why don't you share your brilliant insights with us as to why the Brewers can't find the means to re-sign a pitcher such as C.C. Sabathia or Zack Greinke?

Difficulty 1: The Brewers are not owned by Bud Selig. They are now majority-owned by a hyper-competitive investment banker who runs the team at roughly break-even.
Difficulty 2: Attendance at Miller Park has routinely in the top half of all major league teams over the last couple years, with attendance at or near 3 million for 3 years straight. Despite this, the Brewers are always in the bottom half of all teams in total revenue.
Difficulty 3: The Packers and Brewers operate in the same TV market.


Thank you for summing up in a nutshell why MLB is broken.
 
2012-07-28 03:33:27 PM

justabitdisturbed: Super Chronic: Decillion: Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: SharkTrager: Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.

It's a good thing he's pitching in Anaheim then, isn't it?

Are you one of those people who insist that the Jets and Giants are actually New Jersey teams?

Ladies and gentlemen we may have found the first person to actually buy into the Angels name change garbage.

What media market do the Angels play in? What TV stations do Angels fans watch? What newspapers to Angels fans read? We're talking about whether Greinke's psyche can hold up in the LA media market, and you're actually buying into the proposition that it will be different because he's on the other side of an arbitrary boundary. Don't be stupid.

The LA media market doesn't give two shiats about the Angels, they're a Dodger town. The Angels get media coverage only when they make free agent signings or trades. They don't even talk about Mike Trout. Take it from someone who listens to sports radio every day, Greinke's going to be forgotten about until the playoffs, and even then the coverage will focus on the Dodgers if they make it in.


Okay, fair enough. I realized after posting that nobody even knew there was a team in Anaheim until they started handing out stuffed animals and noise makers. Sorry to have been rude.
 
2012-07-28 03:36:44 PM
alright, I'll explain how MLB revenue sharing works (to the best of my knowledge)

First, there's the national revenue pool, which includes national broadcast contracts, MLBN and merchandise (regardless of player/team) not sold at venues. Now, this pool is split evenly 30 ways, so in terms of competitive balance, it's a wash, but it's still money.

Next is local revenue. This includes local broadcast deals, half of gate (the other half goes to the visiting team), merchandise sold at venue and other local revenue (concessions, stadium ads, etc). Now, this revenue goes to the individual teams -but-, it's taxed at around 30% and goes into a pool. Money from this pool is then redistributed to teams according to revenue (ie, lower rev teams get more money from this pool). There is, however, a loophole in which teams that just built a new stadium are exempt from the tax for a few years.

Finally, there's the luxury tax, where teams over a specific payroll threshold pay into a fund at a rate determined by how much over that threshold they are. While most of -this- money goes into the MLB general fund (which pays for things like outreach, WBC, ASG, etc) some of it does go into the redistribution pool.

Don't be fooled. "Small market" teams HAVE the money, and the only teams "going broke" are the ones doing so for reasons completely unrelated to baseball. The main things baseball are lacking, are a salary floor and tighter controls on how revenue can be spent.
 
2012-07-28 04:00:13 PM

Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: Super Chronic: Decillion: Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: SharkTrager: Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.

It's a good thing he's pitching in Anaheim then, isn't it?

Are you one of those people who insist that the Jets and Giants are actually New Jersey teams?

Ladies and gentlemen we may have found the first person to actually buy into the Angels name change garbage.

What media market do the Angels play in? What TV stations do Angels fans watch? What newspapers to Angels fans read? We're talking about whether Greinke's psyche can hold up in the LA media market, and you're actually buying into the proposition that it will be different because he's on the other side of an arbitrary boundary. Don't be stupid.

The LA media market doesn't give two shiats about the Angels, they're a Dodger town. The Angels get media coverage only when they make free agent signings or trades. They don't even talk about Mike Trout. Take it from someone who listens to sports radio every day, Greinke's going to be forgotten about until the playoffs, and even then the coverage will focus on the Dodgers if they make it in.

Okay, fair enough. I realized after posting that nobody even knew there was a team in Anaheim until they started handing out stuffed animals and noise makers. Sorry to have been rude.


It's not that nobody knows, it's that sports priority in Los Angeles is the following:

1.) Lakers
2.) Dodgers
3.) USC Football
4.) Clippers
5.) Kings
6.) Having a NFL team come to LA
7.) Galaxy
8.) Angels

It's just not high on the list.
 
2012-07-28 04:11:26 PM
..now as for the matter at hand (the trade), this has far less to do with the Brewers being "unable to retain talent" as it is the Brewers being in sell mode. Being 14 out of the division lead a few days before the deadline usually puts you there.
 
2012-07-28 04:54:24 PM

MartinD-35: who either wants more money before his last contract is up or he wants to play for a winner who can pay big bucks. He's no Sandy Koufax.


This is true of every pitcher ever. Except Koufax himself, maybe.
 
2012-07-28 05:54:32 PM

The Bestest: Don't be fooled. "Small market" teams HAVE the money, and the only teams "going broke" are the ones doing so for reasons completely unrelated to baseball. The main things baseball are lacking, are a salary floor and tighter controls on how revenue can be spent.


The Brewers have Braun and Gallardo locked up. The owner has increased salary a bunch over the previous owners. They are still small market and have to pick and choose which stars to keep.
 
2012-07-28 06:54:10 PM

great_tigers: He wasn't traded to an AL central team.

What is it about the state of Wisconsin that simply cannot retain professional athletes outside of Green Bay? Is it the fact that they have Green Bay and everything else doesn't matter?


Money. We may be the #7 draw at the stadium, but we don't get the TV revenues. So we are the minor leagues for the bigger cities and states.
 
2012-07-28 09:21:23 PM

justabitdisturbed: Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: Super Chronic: Decillion: Super Chronic: justabitdisturbed: SharkTrager: Great pitcher, but his mental issues could REALLY be an issue in LA.

It's a good thing he's pitching in Anaheim then, isn't it?

Are you one of those people who insist that the Jets and Giants are actually New Jersey teams?

Ladies and gentlemen we may have found the first person to actually buy into the Angels name change garbage.

What media market do the Angels play in? What TV stations do Angels fans watch? What newspapers to Angels fans read? We're talking about whether Greinke's psyche can hold up in the LA media market, and you're actually buying into the proposition that it will be different because he's on the other side of an arbitrary boundary. Don't be stupid.

The LA media market doesn't give two shiats about the Angels, they're a Dodger town. The Angels get media coverage only when they make free agent signings or trades. They don't even talk about Mike Trout. Take it from someone who listens to sports radio every day, Greinke's going to be forgotten about until the playoffs, and even then the coverage will focus on the Dodgers if they make it in.

Okay, fair enough. I realized after posting that nobody even knew there was a team in Anaheim until they started handing out stuffed animals and noise makers. Sorry to have been rude.

It's not that nobody knows, it's that sports priority in Los Angeles is the following:

1.) Lakers
2.) Dodgers
3.) USC Football
4.) Clippers
5.) Kings
6.) Having a NFL team come to LA
7.) Galaxy
8.) Angels

It's just not high on the list.


Exactly. The Angels will forever be an Anaheim team (the Ducks are obviously last on that list).
 
2012-07-28 10:33:59 PM

carnifex2005: Exactly. The Angels will forever be an Anaheim team (the Ducks are obviously last on that list).


They're still the 8th best draw in baseball.
 
2012-07-28 10:35:50 PM

Slow To Return: They're still the 8th best draw in baseball.


5th best in 2011, six spots ahead of the Dodgers
 
2012-07-29 12:28:41 AM
ahhh and we get shut out with a chance to gain a game on the rangers, and keep ahead of the A's
/Vernon wells, oh-4
 
2012-07-29 02:28:14 AM

Shrugging Atlas: Christ did the Brewers' playoff window close quickly. Cards fan so I'm not exactly losing sleep over this, but still...damn.

With no Astros to automatically fill the last spot in the division next year it's almost impossible to believe it might be the Brewers after some of the teams they've had over the past couple of years.


There's always the Cubs.
 
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