muck4doo: SquiggelyGrounders: Yeah but its ok, guys. They are just a few rotten apples who are interpreting the allegory wrong and out of context dhur. My god doesnt hur that derp.

You are so smart.

Thanks. I know.

Gyrfalcon: vabeard: Ask a predominately black congregational church about having a gay wedding there, and you'll get the same outcome.

So that makes it okay?

No sad and a a bit ironic.

Way to follow in the footsteps of Jesus padre. Christ was always known for running away from anything controversial or dangerous right? Never picked a argument with anybody right? I'm more Christian than this farking country and I have a personalized hand-basket for my next trip. Ex communicate the priest, burn down the church, pillage those villagers and fark that black couple I mean really who the fark gets married in this economy?

Te'Andrea Wilson - really, your name has a ' in it, there's your damn reason. Not even a farking letter

Lenny_da_Hog: indylaw: Lenny_da_Hog: indylaw: What's an Episcopal?

Excuse the fark out of me, I left the "church" out of the sentence. I didn't say "Episcopal churches," and said "Episcopals" instead.

Shoot me in the farking face. I deserve it.

I remember when you weren't such an idiot.

Why are you so angry?

I hate to see otherwise decent brains getting flushed down the sewer of pettiness.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't you think you were being petty when you referred to baptism as hazing? Whether it meets your formal definition, it's not what people consider to be the evils of hazing.

Lenny_da_Hog: indylaw: Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't you think you were being petty when you referred to baptism as hazing? Whether it meets your formal definition, it's not what people consider to be the evils of hazing.

Either that, or I'm older than you are and hazing didn't always end in death and dismemberment. I was also willing to change the term to meet your petty objection.

But really, you? Jumping on "Episcopals" instead of "Episcopal churches?" I know you have a brain, unless you've been copy/pasting everything all this time.

Lenny_da_Hog: indylaw: Not to put too fine a point on it, but don't you think you were being petty when you referred to baptism as hazing? Whether it meets your formal definition, it's not what people consider to be the evils of hazing.

Either that, or I'm older than you are and hazing didn't always end in death and dismemberment. I was also willing to change the term to meet your petty objection.

But really, you? Jumping on "Episcopals" instead of "Episcopal churches?" I know you have a brain, unless you've been copy/pasting everything all this time.

Eh, I got irritated with you and decided to pick a fight. My bad.

Egalitarian: My gay ex-Lutheran ex-minister buddy could attest to the meanness and petty power politics that go on in churches.

(After one last substitution stint at a church full of "people of the land", he quit being a Lutheran, hung up his pastor outfit and went back to being a Catholic. Don't ask me why about the Catholic part).

A former professor of mine always maintained that politics in academia were so vicious because the stakes were so small. Seems like it applies to church congregations as well.

Gunderson: And this is why I pray to Odin

Happy Hours: Man On A Mission: Happy Hours: FAKE

Nope. Open your eyes and see the world for what it is, not what you wish it was.

Nope - still not buying it. They attended that church. If the racism was so deep there, they wouldn't have felt comfortable going to that church.

This is attention whoring at its best.

Most bigots would actually not say biggotted things to the faces of the people they are bigotted against. No, what they will do is go behind their backs and say shiat. I entirely believe a scenario in which a black couple attend a church regularly, never experience any direct racism because it was being hidden from them, and then are surprised when the church turns on them the moment they want to get married there. I have seen many variations of that scenario myself and it is why I am no longer a Christian.

eggrolls: Gunderson: And this is why I pray to Odin

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do teh meth

platedlizard: Most bigots would actually not say biggotted things to the faces of the people they are bigotted against.

Of course not. It is socially acceptable to be a bigot. It's just not socially acceptable to say bigoted things.

See the clusterfark thread in the politics tab on how it'd be perfectly acceptable for a gay man to hate gays (to go along with his group), but it he was a farking evil hypocrite for speaking against homosexuality.

Bigotry is perfectly cool if you keep your mouth shut about it.

/also, guys, expect bigotry, it is our default mode

crzytxn: The church's pastor, Dr. Stan Weatherford, says he was taken by surprise by what he calls a small minority against the black marriage at the church.

The congregation is not necessarily bigoted. It appears that the pastor is spineless and caved into a "small minority." The majority of the members, apparently, had no issues with the couple getting married. If the pastor had any balls, he would have performed the marriage and let the small minority decide if they wanted to continue going to the church or move on.

My guess is that the "small minority" were the church's main donors. God knows my parents generally got their way at their church before my dad retired because of all the tithing they did.

Fortunately what they wanted was sensible things like an upgraded sound system, a new boiler, and for the constantly money-losing private school that was draining the church's resources to get the fark out and go find another church to suck money from.

mcreadyblue: Me: There are no white girls named Yolanda.

Her: I am.

Me. I don't think so, and I'll bet you $20 you can't show me your ID with the name "Yolanda" on it.

Her: (shows me her ID with "Yolanda") Here.

You're lucky she didn't knock you out and swipe your spaceship.

JohnCarter: Te'Andrea Wilson - really, your name has a ' in it, there's your damn reason. Not even a farking letter

Yep it's totally her fault her parents named her that and gives the church a good reason to deny her marriage. That's totally it. I'm glad you spotted it!

This is no difference than not wanting to marry gay couples. Since gay couples cant get married, I am fine with white people turning away black couples.

RexTalionis: MagSeven: I think Asians are the only people giving their kids normal names these days.

Ha! No.

I found your comment a funny coincidence because I work with a man named Ha No.

astroturd: This is no difference than not wanting to marry gay couples. Since gay couples cant get married, I am fine with white people turning away black couples.

i wanna marry a stuffed owl

Testing one 2,, 3,,, just making sure I haven't been banned for offending brown people.

RexTalionis: indylaw: RexTalionis: Ah, the tolerance of Christians.

Don't lump me in with a small group of backward coonts in Mississippi.

Fair enough.

That's right, Christianity is a religion of love.

This is what happens when anti-gay rhetoric nears its apex. Everybody goes ass to mouth.

Avery614: HeartBurnKid: indylaw: Avery614: indylaw: Avery614: from the people who believe the I'm my own grandpa, snake made me do it, my wife is a pillar of salt, I live in a whale, never farked but had a kid, zombie carpenter bullshiat story?

Jesus loves you.


My issue isn't with Jesus. All the free hooch you can drink, seemed to like prostitutes and whores, rolled around with 12 dudes railing against the church and government, apparently healed a bunch of people, nah, I got no problem with the dude.....................The people that worship him and screw up the damn message on the other hand......

OK, but your perception of him is from the Gospels, which also tell a specific religious and theological message. He was a swell, loving guy, sure, but he was more than that, at least if you pay any attention to his story at all. What would you change to put the damn message into practice?

You could start with the Jefferson Bible, which isolates the message from the mythology.


I always thought Rufus summed it up best.......

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"Be excellent to each other"

If everyone does just that one thing everything else just falls into place, no need for dogma, long forgotten teachings, church or religion at that point. In essence that is all the 10 commandments and beatitudes are. The 10 tell you all the ways you can "actively" be a dick, and advises against it. The beatitudes tell you how you can passively be a dick and illustrate when and how you should take action. The beatitudes essentially say; be merciful, be compassionate, help the unjustly persecuted, be a peacemaker etc.

If you are interested in my opinion people put too much thought into this shiat. Just treat everyone you meet(regardless of age, weight, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, gender, race, etc) better than you are usually treated and you'll have nothing to worry about. All the other crap is fluff and story telling for people who need demonstrable reason ...

This. Kinda the same as Wheaton's "Don't be a Dick!" philosophy. I know, i'm a dreamer :)

wedun: RexTalionis: indylaw: RexTalionis: Ah, the tolerance of Christians.

Don't lump me in with a small group of backward coonts in Mississippi.

Fair enough.

That's right, Christianity is a religion of love.

If Christians practiced genuine Christianity then yes, it would be a religion if love. Instead, the most vocal of those who call themselves "Christian" only spew hate and condemnation.
My wife, who knows I am agnostic, identifies as Christian. Not one of the filled-with-hate "Christians" but one who has love and compassion in her heart. If only more who claim to follow Christ's teachings fealt the same way.

Shadowtag: This is what happens when anti-gay rhetoric nears its apex. Everybody goes ass to mouth.

I've said the same, were witnessing the death throes of this bullshiat.

thenewmissus: I am getting married in August. My fiance is white and I am black. We live in a small town here in Wisconsin. The first black man that moved to this town died about 2 years ago. His nickname was N***** Tom*.

When I read this story, I looked at my fiance and said, "You know, we're probably the first interracial couple to get married in this church." Our church used to be a Reformed Lutheran church. Tom was married but he didn't get married in our town. We chewed on this thought for a few minutes. It became kinda surreal. I don't know if anyone in our church has even thought about this. It had never crossed my mind that the church would refuse to marry us. No one in my church ever gave me the impression that they would not want me to get married in our church. Knowing that they (church members) could have taken this position, but did not take this position, solidifies my choice in them as my church. They are my family and treat me and my child as such even though we are the only black people who goes to their church. They are excited for me and can't wait to share in our special day. I love these people.

I did have an issue with a caterer who told me, "We don't take food stamps." THAT was very surprising. Obviously, he did not get the job.

Very surprising. Nearly all caterers routinely take food stamps.

thenewmissus: Trance750: thenewmissus: Lenny_da_Hog: indylaw: Lenny_da_Hog: indylaw: You keep redefining words. "Humiliation" simply means doing something that you wouldn't otherwise do unless you want to be part of a group. So if I pay $60 to be an NPR member and get my coffee mug, I'm being humiliated?

No, humiliation is having someone do something to you that you wouldn't otherwise do.

Like wearing a white gown in front of a roomful of people and getting drenched in a bathtub.

Is a wedding humiliation?

/my baptism involved me in regular clothes getting water sprinkled on my head.

Again, the thread was about Baptists, but if you like we can start a new one all about you.

Weddings don't proclaim your alliance to a group of people. You do that embarrassment for your wife.

Wish I could agree with you on the above statement in bold, but I am having our wedding because my fiance wanted it. He says that he never had a full wedding and insisted on it. He agreed to pay for all of it but I have had to plan most of it. He has helped, but he just has to show up andsmile and that's about it. I am the one who's going to be worried and wearing a tight corset trying to breathe, dance and such with limited oxygen intake. If I didn't love him, I wouldn't do it.

Speaking on behalf of most men, when it comes to weddigs, we really don't care. We understand this is the bride's big day, and we more or less play along.

Just stay out of her way, and just stand at the alter and smile. That's your job, Gentlemen.

So we agree......men just have to show up and smile. Nice job, if you can get it. Men seem to think that weddings just appear out of thin air. My fiance' saw me break down and cry from frustration. Made my point but I have been going nuts. Our wedding is 3 weeks away and almost everytime I think about it, I have a heavy feeling in my chest. I just want it to be over. We will have fun but I am worried about details and crap. Wearing a tight dress doesn't help.

/realize that the ...

If it's all too much for you to handle, put on a nice white sundress and get married at City Hall by the Justice of the Peace.

Of course, if i this is too much for you to handle, do you really have any business getting married?

platedlizard: crzytxn: The church's pastor, Dr. Stan Weatherford, says he was taken by surprise by what he calls a small minority against the black marriage at the church.

The congregation is not necessarily bigoted. It appears that the pastor is spineless and caved into a "small minority." The majority of the members, apparently, had no issues with the couple getting married. If the pastor had any balls, he would have performed the marriage and let the small minority decide if they wanted to continue going to the church or move on.

My guess is that the "small minority" were the church's main donors. God knows my parents generally got their way at their church before my dad retired because of all the tithing they did.

Fortunately what they wanted was sensible things like an upgraded sound system, a new boiler, and for the constantly money-losing private school that was draining the church's resources to get the fark out and go find another church to suck money from.

All the cranky old people just want "sensible things."

wedun: RexTalionis: indylaw: RexTalionis: Ah, the tolerance of Christians.

Don't lump me in with a small group of backward coonts in Mississippi.

Fair enough.

That's right, Christianity is a religion of love.

Jesus loves you.

Barricaded Gunman: How am I the first person in here to comment on the age difference between these folks? Why is this slightly-chubby-but-attractive gal marrying a snaggle-toothed, raspy-voiced old man?

Probably because older men in some communities have more of a work ethic than the young men...

Sad but true.

Also include the fact that an older man is going to be more established and stable financially and emotionally, whereas a younger man, even if he does have a good work ethic, is likely going to take years to establish a career and a savings account, if he does at all somewhere rural where there is likely not many job options.
The ones that are going somewhere in their life probably are moving out of the community and maybe she wanted to stay and get a family going immediately.

Ihaveanevilparrot: Probably because older men in some communities have more income than the young men...

It doesn't help that the job market is terrible.

wedun: Ihaveanevilparrot: Probably because older men in some communities have more income than the young men...

It doesn't help that the job market is terrible.

Well yeah. I mentioned that. :)

Avery614: I always thought Rufus summed it up best.......



"Be excellent to each other"

Yes, yes he did.

Hawnkee: Avery614: I always thought Rufus summed it up best.......



"Be excellent to each other"

Yes, yes he did.

Huh? I can't find that line in any of their lyrics.

Yes that was a terrible joke.

highwayrun: thenewmissus: Trance750: thenewmissus: Lenny_da_Hog: indylaw: Lenny_da_Hog: indylaw: You keep redefining words. "Humiliation" simply means doing something that you wouldn't otherwise do unless you want to be part of a group. So if I pay $60 to be an NPR member and get my coffee mug, I'm being humiliated?

No, humiliation is having someone do something to you that you wouldn't otherwise do.

Like wearing a white gown in front of a roomful of people and getting drenched in a bathtub.

Is a wedding humiliation?

/my baptism involved me in regular clothes getting water sprinkled on my head.

Again, the thread was about Baptists, but if you like we can start a new one all about you.

Weddings don't proclaim your alliance to a group of people. You do that embarrassment for your wife.

Wish I could agree with you on the above statement in bold, but I am having our wedding because my fiance wanted it. He says that he never had a full wedding and insisted on it. He agreed to pay for all of it but I have had to plan most of it. He has helped, but he just has to show up andsmile and that's about it. I am the one who's going to be worried and wearing a tight corset trying to breathe, dance and such with limited oxygen intake. If I didn't love him, I wouldn't do it.

Speaking on behalf of most men, when it comes to weddigs, we really don't care. We understand this is the bride's big day, and we more or less play along.

Just stay out of her way, and just stand at the alter and smile. That's your job, Gentlemen.

So we agree......men just have to show up and smile. Nice job, if you can get it. Men seem to think that weddings just appear out of thin air. My fiance' saw me break down and cry from frustration. Made my point but I have been going nuts. Our wedding is 3 weeks away and almost everytime I think about it, I have a heavy feeling in my chest. I just want it to be over. We will have fun but I am worried about details and crap. Wearing a tight dress doesn't help.

/re ...

Ummm yeah. Getting married isn't the problem. Planning a big event when you already have a lot going on is the issue. And by the way, we did not ask if they take food stamps. Since we don't get those services, why would we ask a question like that? I had to wonder if he would have asked something like that if I would have been white. And, I did go back to the facility and speak with the manager. The manager profusely apologized and said that he thought that the caterer may have been joking. Also had a dj ask if we were having collard greens and fried chicken at the wedding reception. He didn't get the job either.

Ihaveanevilparrot: wedun: Ihaveanevilparrot: Probably because older men in some communities have more income than the young men...

It doesn't help that the job market is terrible.

Well yeah. I mentioned that. :)

I heard you say something about "work ethic" as if an obsolete baby boomer would have a chance if they had to compete on equal footing with youth in today's job market.

Keizer_Ghidorah: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Keizer_Ghidorah: indylaw: HeartBurnKid: what do you think Jesus would want you to remember? Feats he may or may not have done, or the stuff he told his followers to remember?

Hm, you mean like "Drink this all of you, this is my blood of the new covenant, shed for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins. Do this for the remembrance of me."

Personally I feel the "Don't be a dick and love and help each other" parts were more important. Unfortunately those seem to be the parts most often ignored or altered into "Do it because you fear God's wrath or want to score brownie points with God".

Missionaries would many times refuse to shelter, clothe, feed, or otherwise aid natives unless they renounced everything and everyone they knew and became Christian. Even Mother Teresa used this tactic.

I have NEVER known a Catholic serving the poor to do that. I did not know Mother Teresa but I did help with a number of groups in Detroit

They did what they did and if it inspired those they helped to check out the faith they'd help with that too. That was it.

It happens in places like Africa, India, and other third-world countires, and was a favored tactic back when global colonialization was going on.

Catholics also saw the other side of that during the Famine...

From wiki:

souper (plural soupers)

1. (Ireland, historical) (during the Irish famine) a Protestant supplying food, (usually soup), to the starving if they rejected their Catholic beliefs.
2. Sometimes referred to the person who had changed religions, rather than the person encouraging them.

Some Catholics, in a desperate attempt to save the lives of their starving children, accepted this preferential treatment by converting to an alien faith and became known as 'Croghan Soupers' - named after a landed aristocracy in Roscommon. In some cases, soupers were protected by British soldiers from their co-religionists.