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(Aint-It-Cool-News)   Dark Knight Rises composer Hans Zimmer has written and recorded a tribute piece called "Aurora". 100% of the proceeds from the single will go to the victims of the tragic shooting there. Let's get behind this, Fark   (aintitcool.com) divider line 133
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2012-07-27 10:16:42 PM  
I'm in for $1.29


/I didn't vet the charity as it is only a buck twenty-nine.
// Its probably fine.
 
2012-07-27 10:23:17 PM  
How about he pitches in some of the cash he received for the movie.
 
2012-07-27 10:49:53 PM  
Sometimes, occasionally, humanity will NOT make me wish for a meteor to strike the earth and hit the reset button. This is one of those times.
 
2012-07-27 10:51:51 PM  
Is there a torrent for it, yet?

/just kidding
 
2012-07-27 10:51:53 PM  
Another Beg-a-thon. Thanks, but no thanks.
 
2012-07-27 10:52:32 PM  

bojon: How about he pitches in some of the cash he received for the movie.


Who's to say he hasn't?
 
2012-07-27 10:54:55 PM  
Good for him.
 
2012-07-27 11:10:46 PM  
i1079.photobucket.com

It stinks like Redditt in here
 
2012-07-27 11:57:50 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: It stinks like Redditt in here


Like 90's coding and premature ejaculation? Yeah, the AOL of the modern internet. Good for them.
 
2012-07-28 12:33:44 AM  
Haven't you done enough damage, Hans Zimmer?
 
2012-07-28 01:44:30 AM  

poonesfarm: bojon: How about he pitches in some of the cash he received for the movie.

Who's to say he hasn't?


Who says he has. Things like this get me. It's the same self righteous crap as "We Are the World"

farkin' all the people in that room could have pooled their money and bought Africa in the 80's. The whole damn place. Instead, they wrote a crap song begging for money.

farkin' don't write a piece of music and use charity to boost sales on crap. Write good music, make legit money, and donate to worthy causes with wisdom.
 
2012-07-28 01:50:18 AM  
...giggity?
 
2012-07-28 01:50:43 AM  
lets not
 
2012-07-28 01:52:05 AM  
Is it going to give me a headache?
 
2012-07-28 01:54:16 AM  
I'd rather give all my money to Danny Elfman..
 
2012-07-28 01:55:27 AM  

doglover: poonesfarm: bojon: How about he pitches in some of the cash he received for the movie.

Who's to say he hasn't?

Who says he has. Things like this get me. It's the same self righteous crap as "We Are the World"

farkin' all the people in that room could have pooled their money and bought Africa in the 80's. The whole damn place. Instead, they wrote a crap song begging for money.

farkin' don't write a piece of music and use charity to boost sales on crap. Write good music, make legit money, and donate to worthy causes with wisdom.


You're getting awfully pissed off about something you shouldn't be getting at all pissed off about. You should probably calm down.
 
2012-07-28 01:55:57 AM  
So....Zimmer is now the Fark pariah du jour?

Wow.
 
2012-07-28 01:56:33 AM  
Maybe that 9-11 America country singer can reclaim his 15 minutes with a song about this.
 
2012-07-28 01:58:22 AM  
www.american-buddha.com
 
2012-07-28 01:59:46 AM  
but what color ribbon do i need to wear?
 
2012-07-28 02:02:20 AM  

Apos: So....Zimmer is now the Fark pariah du jour?

Wow.


According to Wikipedia, he scored The Lion King. I stopped reading at that point, I'm fine with this, and I am well aware I own at least one other soundtrack he's scored, possibly up to a half dozen or so.
 
2012-07-28 02:02:21 AM  

Larry Mahnken: You're getting awfully pissed off about something you shouldn't be getting at all pissed off about. You should probably calm down.


I had to sing We Are the World for like 6 minutes yesterday. I'm allowed to be upset about that.
 
2012-07-28 02:02:49 AM  

minitrue noram: but what color ribbon do i need to wear?


media.reason.com
 
2012-07-28 02:02:58 AM  
What about the senseless tragedy with the 23 Hispanics in the pickup truck last week as well?

14 dead, the rest injured.

Is it only a tragedy since this occurred during Batman, or because the weapon was a gun rather than a truck? Does it matter that each of these incidents could have been prevented?

Nah, I don't think it does.

Kill 12 people in a theater: Tragedy. Kill 14 in your truck: whatever.
 
2012-07-28 02:06:00 AM  
Having some trouble here. I listened to a bit of it and, being a Zimmer score, all I'm seeing in my mind is a movie clip of Holmes shooting everyone, in slow mo. After 3 seconds of him grinning and 4 rounds flashing out, we see a 1 second reaction of the crowd scrambling, 3 seconds of a brass casing slowly falling to the floor and another one just ABOUT to hit the floor, but then we cut to a camera near the door where people are scrambling over one another to get to it while the camera is moving upward on a jib arm, still in slow mo, then we cut back to the shooter on a close-up...

It's a movie score, which could be wildly inappropriate by some interpretations. Well I'm sure it's sorta just me and all.
 
2012-07-28 02:07:15 AM  

doglover: poonesfarm: bojon: How about he pitches in some of the cash he received for the movie.

Who's to say he hasn't?

Who says he has. Things like this get me. It's the same self righteous crap as "We Are the World"

farkin' all the people in that room could have pooled their money and bought Africa in the 80's. The whole damn place. Instead, they wrote a crap song begging for money.

farkin' don't write a piece of music and use charity to boost sales on crap. Write good music, make legit money, and donate to worthy causes with wisdom.


these guys hear ya
 
2012-07-28 02:07:24 AM  
I feel bad for those affected by the shooting in Aurora last week. I really do. However, it's interesting how we, as a society, react to such events. In an average day, ~40 people in the U.S. are murdered, ~90 die in automobile crashes/accidents, and dozens of pedestrians are killed by motor vehicles. Undoubtedly, some of these people are every bit as innocent as the folks in the movie theater were. Where are their tributes and candle-light vigils? Where are their charity drives? The innocent people who die in non-dramatic stories seem to whither away in relative obscurity compared to the pop coverage of these types of shootings (Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc.).

I mention this not to diminish the events that happened in Aurora. I'm just curious as to why stories like this one "catch on". There are many innocent people killed doing things that we all do every day, so I don't think it's because "it could have been me". I suspect it's the result of the rare nature of the Aurora shooting and the relatively large number of deaths in such a small area -- it's such a "shocking" event, unlike the vehicle fatalities or murders involved innocent folks that we're now accustomed to as we watch/read the news. If people really cared about innocent people dying, then it probably shouldn't matter how they died (well, within reason). How many people have donated to the families who have lost innocent loved ones in car accidents or other fatal events since Aurora?
 
2012-07-28 02:07:27 AM  
there's no sense of community quite like a vicarious sense of community
 
2012-07-28 02:11:58 AM  

Meesterjojo: Kill 12 people in a theater: Tragedy. Kill 14 in your truck: whatever.



Do YOU know how to get a hold of the families of a truck full of illegal immigrants?
 
2012-07-28 02:13:27 AM  

farkingismybusiness: [www.american-buddha.com image 850x363]


I went with a full fiver... makes me exempt from all others.

Plus I like the Zimmer....


/dont hate
 
2012-07-28 02:17:16 AM  
Not to be a dick, but:
What's the money going to be used for? Are there any particularly large or unusual expenses associated with this tragedy? How much fundraising do the victims actually need?
I have a feeling that all the direct costs of medical care, trauma counselling, etc. can be covered by local donations and funds that have already been received.
 
2012-07-28 02:21:04 AM  

Mog32Kupo: farkingismybusiness: [www.american-buddha.com image 850x363]

I went with a full fiver... makes me exempt from all others.

Plus I like the Zimmer....


/dont hate


I ain't hating. This is a good thing.
 
2012-07-28 02:21:33 AM  

feckingmorons: I'm in for $1.29


lh6.googleusercontent.com

f*cking arm yourselves, the revolution will not be advertised

people are rioting against their governments all over the f*cking world

breaking the grasp of the f*cking bankers who indebt every f*cking one of you

man up, nancies
 
2012-07-28 02:25:00 AM  

doglover: Larry Mahnken: You're getting awfully pissed off about something you shouldn't be getting at all pissed off about. You should probably calm down.

I had to sing We Are the World for like 6 minutes yesterday. I'm allowed to be upset about that.


Listen, there comes a time when we heed a certain call, when the world must come together as one. There are people dying, and its time to lend a hand to life -- the greatest gift of all.
 
2012-07-28 02:28:23 AM  

urban.derelict: feckingmorons: I'm in for $1.29

[lh6.googleusercontent.com image 50x50]

f*cking arm yourselves, the revolution will not be advertised

people are rioting against their governments all over the f*cking world

breaking the grasp of the f*cking bankers who indebt every f*cking one of you

man up, nancies


Fine. $1.35. Final offer.
 
2012-07-28 02:31:58 AM  

Meesterjojo: What about the senseless tragedy with the 23 Hispanics in the pickup truck last week as well?

14 dead, the rest injured.


Did you hear about the 5-car pile-up outside of San Diego?
All 84 Mexicans were able to walk away unhurt.

Anyway, do you have a link?
 
2012-07-28 02:33:07 AM  
I don't know, it seems like a good idea to me. I'm in.
 
2012-07-28 02:36:23 AM  
so if this 'tribute piece' ever reaches the top of the Billboard chart, Facebook and Twitter will explode with, "Number 1 with a bullet" jokes.

/and then a few days later, Fark will greenlight a story with the same headline and everyone will go apeshiat over how funny and clever and fresh and tasteless subby is.
 
2012-07-28 02:37:40 AM  

ladyfortuna: Apos: So....Zimmer is now the Fark pariah du jour?

Wow.

According to Wikipedia, he scored The Lion King. I stopped reading at that point, I'm fine with this, and I am well aware I own at least one other soundtrack he's scored, possibly up to a half dozen or so.


Also did Inception, The Prince of Egypt (yeah, the movie isn't that great, but the music is excellent) and Gladiator.
 
2012-07-28 02:40:21 AM  

calbert: so if this 'tribute piece' ever reaches the top of the Billboard chart, Facebook and Twitter will explode with, "Number 1 with a bullet" jokes.

/and then a few days later, Fark will greenlight a story with the same headline and everyone will go apeshiat over how funny and clever and fresh and tasteless subby is.


I remember when getting greenlights meant something.
 
2012-07-28 02:40:28 AM  

bojon: How about he pitches in some of the cash he received for the movie.


HOW DARE HE DO SOMETHING GOOD IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT LIVE UP TO YOUR ASSHAT STANDARDS!

How much money have you donated to them, hm?
 
2012-07-28 02:44:17 AM  

WxGuy1: I feel bad for those affected by the shooting in Aurora last week. I really do. However, it's interesting how we, as a society, react to such events. In an average day, ~40 people in the U.S. are murdered, ~90 die in automobile crashes/accidents, and dozens of pedestrians are killed by motor vehicles. Undoubtedly, some of these people are every bit as innocent as the folks in the movie theater were. Where are their tributes and candle-light vigils? Where are their charity drives? The innocent people who die in non-dramatic stories seem to whither away in relative obscurity compared to the pop coverage of these types of shootings (Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc.).

I mention this not to diminish the events that happened in Aurora. I'm just curious as to why stories like this one "catch on". There are many innocent people killed doing things that we all do every day, so I don't think it's because "it could have been me". I suspect it's the result of the rare nature of the Aurora shooting and the relatively large number of deaths in such a small area -- it's such a "shocking" event, unlike the vehicle fatalities or murders involved innocent folks that we're now accustomed to as we watch/read the news. If people really cared about innocent people dying, then it probably shouldn't matter how they died (well, within reason). How many people have donated to the families who have lost innocent loved ones in car accidents or other fatal events since Aurora?


This pretty much covers how I feel about this event, and all the coverage it's been getting 24/7 since it happened. Of course it's newsworthy, now let it go. I don't need all the feel-good bullshiat stories and tributes, there are other things more important happening in the world right now.
 
2012-07-28 02:45:04 AM  
BWAAAAAAAHM!
 
2012-07-28 02:48:11 AM  
I'm sorry but this is only getting so much media coverage because the shooting happened during the premiere of a new Batman movie. I'm not calling "viral marketing" yet but shiat happens every day all around the world and most of the time, no one seems to be giving a crap about it. I'm trying to feel bad here but I can't.
 
2012-07-28 02:50:00 AM  
I'll bite. I'm totally the target audience for this; I haven't seen the movie, but I've been listening to the soundtrack:

The Dark Knight Rises Soundtrack stream

off and on for the last two weeks.
 
2012-07-28 02:54:06 AM  
100% of the proceeds. I'm ok with this.
 
2012-07-28 02:54:29 AM  

Just yesterday I was walking down the street, when Hans Zimmer approached me and started talking about how the shootings in Aurora was tragic, and if I would be nice enough to go onto iTunes and buy a tribute song he created, where the donations would go to the victim of the tragedy. I said sure, Mr Zimmer, it would be an honor. How much does the track cost? He replied, "I need about tree-fiddy."


Tree fiddy.


Well, it was about that time I noticed that Hans Zimmer was about eight stories tall and was a crustacean from the Paleolithic Era. The Loch Ness Monster. I said "Dammit, monster, get out of my way! I ain't giving you no tree fiddy!" He replied, "How about two fiddy?"

 
2012-07-28 02:57:02 AM  
I too hate when the rich come out with something that begs us normies to pony up the cash. I especially hate it when a celeb gets an illness and then suddenly ends up on tv talking about how we all have to donate to find a cure...that celeb didn't care about a cure until he/she had the illness...and these rich folk don't care a hoot about the suffering of the normies in everyday life...Rich people could just plunk down their own money for a change, like this shooting. If Zimmer wanted, he could buy each and every one of the people in that theater a new house or pay off every medical bill that the injured received...but no, he writes something on his piano that probably took him thirty minutes and basks in the glow of hero worship while us normies cough up the dough.
Rich people have one rule, never invest your own money in a project. Follow that rule, and you'll get rich.
 
2012-07-28 03:04:37 AM  

WxGuy1: I feel bad for those affected by the shooting in Aurora last week. I really do. However, it's interesting how we, as a society, react to such events. In an average day, ~40 people in the U.S. are murdered, ~90 die in automobile crashes/accidents, and dozens of pedestrians are killed by motor vehicles. Undoubtedly, some of these people are every bit as innocent as the folks in the movie theater were. Where are their tributes and candle-light vigils? Where are their charity drives? The innocent people who die in non-dramatic stories seem to whither away in relative obscurity compared to the pop coverage of these types of shootings (Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc.).

I mention this not to diminish the events that happened in Aurora. I'm just curious as to why stories like this one "catch on". There are many innocent people killed doing things that we all do every day, so I don't think it's because "it could have been me". I suspect it's the result of the rare nature of the Aurora shooting and the relatively large number of deaths in such a small area -- it's such a "shocking" event, unlike the vehicle fatalities or murders involved innocent folks that we're now accustomed to as we watch/read the news. If people really cared about innocent people dying, then it probably shouldn't matter how they died (well, within reason). How many people have donated to the families who have lost innocent loved ones in car accidents or other fatal events since Aurora?


Because there are some major qualitative differences between those events, and this one.

1) It was planned and executed by one person. You can't say the same of a car accident, point your finger at someone and say "he did it!". You can make that claim for a murder, but then it becomes...
2) It's a matter of scale. If this guy had shot one person outside of the theater and was arrested then it'd be no more than a footnote on the local news.
3) And yes, the circumstances themselves were dramatic. Humans love drama. It's very basic to human nature. Why do you think reality TV is so popular? True Crime literature? Drama! Conflict! We thrive on it. We sat around campfires and told stories long before we ever had agriculture.

People die every day, in various circumstances, some mundane, others tragic. This is an atrocity committed by one guy. We struggle to understand why this guy did what he did. We empathize with the survivors, wondering if we would have reacted like they did if the madboy had done the same thing at our theater. Eventually the public will move on. But at least try and understand why something like provokes the reaction it does.
 
2012-07-28 03:04:47 AM  
I don't care at all.
 
2012-07-28 03:06:13 AM  
Don't make a crescendo joke...Don't make a crescendo joke...Don't make a crescendo joke...
 
2012-07-28 03:06:41 AM  
So let me see if I understand the consensus here...

If a wealthy person does something for charity, it's irrelevant because he is not donating more? So if you make $2000 a month, and only give $10 to charity, you're pretty much a monster, because you could have given more? Any wealthy person who doesn't use all of their personal income on charity is terrible? Is this right?
 
2012-07-28 03:07:46 AM  
www.hifipunk.com
 
2012-07-28 03:08:45 AM  

Wolf892: I too hate when the rich come out with something that begs us normies to pony up the cash. I especially hate it when a celeb gets an illness and then suddenly ends up on tv talking about how we all have to donate to find a cure...that celeb didn't care about a cure until he/she had the illness...and these rich folk don't care a hoot about the suffering of the normies in everyday life...Rich people could just plunk down their own money for a change, like this shooting. If Zimmer wanted, he could buy each and every one of the people in that theater a new house or pay off every medical bill that the injured received...but no, he writes something on his piano that probably took him thirty minutes and basks in the glow of hero worship while us normies cough up the dough.
Rich people have one rule, never invest your own money in a project. Follow that rule, and you'll get rich.



To you and all the others like you out there. We get it. You are a troll. You are special. You have contrarian views. You are some or all of these things.

The guy made a single and said that 100% of the proceeds will be donated to victims. If you like his music, willing to spend $1.29 for it, which will also benefit victims, then it seems like a great situation for all involved. Buy your music, make your donation, and carry on.

If you do not like his music, but still want to help, you can just donate, any amount, whatever you like.

If you don't want to donate, that's fine too. No one is forcing you to participate in this. Carry on.

But NO, you act outraged that you might be asked to donate a nominal sum. The "rich" guy could afford to pay them millions, why are you asking me for $1.29? Waaah. Waaaahhh! Rich people are oppressing us "normies".

If you want to donate, do it. If you don't want to, that's fine too. No need to whine about it.
 
2012-07-28 03:12:03 AM  

ExcaliburPrime111: Wolf892: I too hate when the rich come out with something that begs us normies to pony up the cash. I especially hate it when a celeb gets an illness and then suddenly ends up on tv talking about how we all have to donate to find a cure...that celeb didn't care about a cure until he/she had the illness...and these rich folk don't care a hoot about the suffering of the normies in everyday life...Rich people could just plunk down their own money for a change, like this shooting. If Zimmer wanted, he could buy each and every one of the people in that theater a new house or pay off every medical bill that the injured received...but no, he writes something on his piano that probably took him thirty minutes and basks in the glow of hero worship while us normies cough up the dough.
Rich people have one rule, never invest your own money in a project. Follow that rule, and you'll get rich.


To you and all the others like you out there. We get it. You are a troll. You are special. You have contrarian views. You are some or all of these things.

The guy made a single and said that 100% of the proceeds will be donated to victims. If you like his music, willing to spend $1.29 for it, which will also benefit victims, then it seems like a great situation for all involved. Buy your music, make your donation, and carry on.

If you do not like his music, but still want to help, you can just donate, any amount, whatever you like.

If you don't want to donate, that's fine too. No one is forcing you to participate in this. Carry on.

But NO, you act outraged that you might be asked to donate a nominal sum. The "rich" guy could afford to pay them millions, why are you asking me for $1.29? Waaah. Waaaahhh! Rich people are oppressing us "normies".

If you want to donate, do it. If you don't want to, that's fine too. No need to whine about it.


What if you need a receipt? Wifey gets all up in my arse.
 
2012-07-28 03:14:13 AM  

ExcaliburPrime111: Wolf892: I too hate when the rich come out with something that begs us normies to pony up the cash. I especially hate it when a celeb gets an illness and then suddenly ends up on tv talking about how we all have to donate to find a cure...that celeb didn't care about a cure until he/she had the illness...and these rich folk don't care a hoot about the suffering of the normies in everyday life...Rich people could just plunk down their own money for a change, like this shooting. If Zimmer wanted, he could buy each and every one of the people in that theater a new house or pay off every medical bill that the injured received...but no, he writes something on his piano that probably took him thirty minutes and basks in the glow of hero worship while us normies cough up the dough.
Rich people have one rule, never invest your own money in a project. Follow that rule, and you'll get rich.


To you and all the others like you out there. We get it. You are a troll. You are special. You have contrarian views. You are some or all of these things.

The guy made a single and said that 100% of the proceeds will be donated to victims. If you like his music, willing to spend $1.29 for it, which will also benefit victims, then it seems like a great situation for all involved. Buy your music, make your donation, and carry on.

If you do not like his music, but still want to help, you can just donate, any amount, whatever you like.

If you don't want to donate, that's fine too. No one is forcing you to participate in this. Carry on.

But NO, you act outraged that you might be asked to donate a nominal sum. The "rich" guy could afford to pay them millions, why are you asking me for $1.29? Waaah. Waaaahhh! Rich people are oppressing us "normies".

If you want to donate, do it. If you don't want to, that's fine too. No need to whine about it.


I'm not trying to troll, I'm just saying...if I was Superman, I wouldn't go around asking the general crowd to lift the car off the old woman, I'd do it myself because I'd have the power to do it.
If I were rich, and felt that strongly about the issue, I'd take care of their medical bills myself instead of asking the non rich to shoulder that responsibility. Yes, it's a good cause...yes, us normies are probably happy to help out if we can, but it just feels like if you have the absolut power to do something, then just do it yourself and get it done as quickly as possible while the contribution will have the most affect.

Just sayin with great power comes great responsibility...
 
2012-07-28 03:16:56 AM  

Meesterjojo: Kill 12 people in a theater: Tragedy. Kill 14 in your truck: whatever.


One group of people were killed in cold blood while trying to have a fun night out at the movies. The other group died because they were stupid enough to think that you could safely drive a truck with 23 people stuffed into it. It's hard to feel that sorry for someone who Darwins themselves. Not only were they being stupid, but they REALLY weren't doing much to dispel racist stereotypes.
 
2012-07-28 03:17:08 AM  

WxGuy1: I feel bad for those affected by the shooting in Aurora last week. I really do. However, it's interesting how we, as a society, react to such events. In an average day, ~40 people in the U.S. are murdered, ~90 die in automobile crashes/accidents, and dozens of pedestrians are killed by motor vehicles. Undoubtedly, some of these people are every bit as innocent as the folks in the movie theater were. Where are their tributes and candle-light vigils? Where are their charity drives? The innocent people who die in non-dramatic stories seem to whither away in relative obscurity compared to the pop coverage of these types of shootings (Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc.).

I mention this not to diminish the events that happened in Aurora. I'm just curious as to why stories like this one "catch on". There are many innocent people killed doing things that we all do every day, so I don't think it's because "it could have been me". I suspect it's the result of the rare nature of the Aurora shooting and the relatively large number of deaths in such a small area -- it's such a "shocking" event, unlike the vehicle fatalities or murders involved innocent folks that we're now accustomed to as we watch/read the news. If people really cared about innocent people dying, then it probably shouldn't matter how they died (well, within reason). How many people have donated to the families who have lost innocent loved ones in car accidents or other fatal events since Aurora?


Its sensational because a dozen people being killed by a crazed gunman isnt a normal occurrence. Yeah ~40 people are murdered every day, most of those arent random. Usually when someone gets murdered theres a reason for it besides wrong place wrong time. Not necessarily a good reason, slept with your wife or stole your drugs or in a rival gang arent GOOD reasons, but theyre reasons that the average person can understand. That is not the case with random spree killings like this.
 
2012-07-28 03:21:31 AM  
If Lisa Gerrard is involved then I'll pitch in.
 
2012-07-28 03:22:37 AM  
Wow, some of the comments here...
All ahead, douche factor 10.

/lighten up Francis
 
2012-07-28 03:28:23 AM  
Subby here.

Would say that I'm shocked about some of the reaction to what I thought was a very nice gesture by a good man (Zimmer is known as a good guy in film circles - much admired, in fact). I would say it, only I won't because this is Fark and.... well, we all know how contrary this place is. Part of the fun.

That said, I bought the single for four reasons:

1) I like Zimmer's work, so would likely have bought it anyway;
2) It's very, very inexpensive;
3) It is part of the process of coming to terms with a horrible event which should not have happened; an event which happened in a place people don't generally feel threatened in; and
4) As someone who does some work on films, it felt like a good thing to do, and something I wanted to at least play some (tiny) part in.

As it turns out, it's a very emotional and beautifully written and recorded piece. Don't like it? Fine, but the fact is that these things can be about more than money - it's a way of showing emotional support, and (I'm not in the U.S.) being able to do something, even if it is indeed a token gesture.

I laid flowers at the base of the entrance to the American embassy in my city after 9/11, along with many other people. Didn't help as such, but it helped with the helplessness, and it helped with showing support. In my opinion.
 
2012-07-28 03:34:20 AM  

Wolf892: ExcaliburPrime111: Wolf892: I too hate when the rich come out with something that begs us normies to pony up the cash. I especially hate it when a celeb gets an illness and then suddenly ends up on tv talking about how we all have to donate to find a cure...that celeb didn't care about a cure until he/she had the illness...and these rich folk don't care a hoot about the suffering of the normies in everyday life...Rich people could just plunk down their own money for a change, like this shooting. If Zimmer wanted, he could buy each and every one of the people in that theater a new house or pay off every medical bill that the injured received...but no, he writes something on his piano that probably took him thirty minutes and basks in the glow of hero worship while us normies cough up the dough.
Rich people have one rule, never invest your own money in a project. Follow that rule, and you'll get rich.


To you and all the others like you out there. We get it. You are a troll. You are special. You have contrarian views. You are some or all of these things.

The guy made a single and said that 100% of the proceeds will be donated to victims. If you like his music, willing to spend $1.29 for it, which will also benefit victims, then it seems like a great situation for all involved. Buy your music, make your donation, and carry on.

If you do not like his music, but still want to help, you can just donate, any amount, whatever you like.

If you don't want to donate, that's fine too. No one is forcing you to participate in this. Carry on.

But NO, you act outraged that you might be asked to donate a nominal sum. The "rich" guy could afford to pay them millions, why are you asking me for $1.29? Waaah. Waaaahhh! Rich people are oppressing us "normies".

If you want to donate, do it. If you don't want to, that's fine too. No need to whine about it.

I'm not trying to troll, I'm just saying...if I was Superman, I wouldn't go around asking the general crowd to lift the car off ...


Why should the guy pay hundreds of thousands of dollars (or more) over a tragedy that he was not responsible for? His way of contributing is by doing what he does best - making music. He is donating all of the proceeds, so as not to "cash in" on the tragedy and so as to provide the maximum funds to the victims.

People who want to help get an incentive to make a nominal donation, which if multiplied over a large enough number of people, will result in a substantial donation.

Sure, it might be possible for him to donate a ton of money directly, but here you are, crying over the possibility of donating $1.29, yet you expect someone else to pay out hundreds of thousands or more. Come on.
 
2012-07-28 03:38:15 AM  
For the record, if anyone that wants Zimmer to donate $1m is worth more than $112.5, they are asking him to donate a larger portion of his wealth than they're willing to.
 
2012-07-28 03:42:43 AM  

letrole: there's no sense of community quite like a vicarious sense of community


this is a good line
 
2012-07-28 03:43:23 AM  
Hello, please buy my song for charity. I'm hoping that the fact that it's for a good cause will make you not realize it's actually substandard crap. thanks
 
2012-07-28 03:44:06 AM  

BigJake: I'm hoping that the fact that it's for a good cause will make you not realize it's actually substandard crap.


See also: all Christian music
 
2012-07-28 04:16:53 AM  

paulseta: Subby here.

Would say that I'm shocked about some of the reaction to what I thought was a very nice gesture by a good man (Zimmer is known as a good guy in film circles - much admired, in fact). I would say it, only I won't because this is Fark and.... well, we all know how contrary this place is. Part of the fun.

That said, I bought the single for four reasons:

1) I like Zimmer's work, so would likely have bought it anyway;
2) It's very, very inexpensive;
3) It is part of the process of coming to terms with a horrible event which should not have happened; an event which happened in a place people don't generally feel threatened in; and
4) As someone who does some work on films, it felt like a good thing to do, and something I wanted to at least play some (tiny) part in.

As it turns out, it's a very emotional and beautifully written and recorded piece. Don't like it? Fine, but the fact is that these things can be about more than money - it's a way of showing emotional support, and (I'm not in the U.S.) being able to do something, even if it is indeed a token gesture.

I laid flowers at the base of the entrance to the American embassy in my city after 9/11, along with many other people. Didn't help as such, but it helped with the helplessness, and it helped with showing support. In my opinion.


Well said. The guy makes music for a living, and is donating ALL of the proceeds of this, which he made because of the incident. I normally do not buy, or donate money to causes, but I certainly wouldn't look down on someone who starts a fund to help innocent victims. That's retarded. I'm looking at you, wolf892
 
2012-07-28 04:34:50 AM  

bojon: How about he pitches in some of the cash he received for the movie.


2wolves: Another Beg-a-thon. Thanks, but no thanks.


Ed Finnerty: Haven't you done enough damage, Hans Zimmer?


Ned Stark: lets not


farkingismybusiness: [www.american-buddha.com image 850x363]


I heart U guys! Fark rules!!
 
2012-07-28 04:39:02 AM  

Meesterjojo: What about the senseless tragedy with the 23 Hispanics in the pickup truck last week as well?

14 dead, the rest injured.

Is it only a tragedy since this occurred during Batman, or because the weapon was a gun rather than a truck? Does it matter that each of these incidents could have been prevented?

Nah, I don't think it does.

Kill 12 people in a theater: Tragedy. Kill 14 in your truck: whatever.


The real tragedy is that in both cases, there could have been so many more fatalities.
 
2012-07-28 04:42:05 AM  

paulseta: I laid flowers at the base of the entrance to the American embassy in my city after 9/11


And the stockholders of Interflora TM salute you, good sir!!
 
2012-07-28 04:42:15 AM  

uttertosh: The real tragedy is that in both cases, there could have been so many more fatalities.


edgy!
 
2012-07-28 04:58:53 AM  
Oh yes! How do I toss my cash at the unverified charity?

Theatres are (~Chorus of angels~) SACRED PLACES? (~End chorus of angels~) Theatres...? Really? Is a theatre SACRED like the places where a child is born? or sacred like a place where our parents would pass away?

It's a farking THEATRE and it was a farking BARELY PASSABLE Batman movie.

YES! It was an atrocity, a terrible thing for anyone to go through.

But let's not act as if 50 seat multiplexes showing the next Dane Cook shiatFEST are the new Jerusalem.
 
2012-07-28 05:01:20 AM  

poonesfarm: bojon: How about he pitches in some of the cash he received for the movie.

Who's to say he hasn't?


Absent any proof otherwise, me.
 
2012-07-28 06:04:50 AM  
In this day and age....we don't need charities. This one may or may not be questionable, but there is (at least) a possibility of it. Besides - if you buy anything off iTunes you are paying the Apple tax. Then you've got the charity itself that may take a non-trivial cut from each donation for all the hard work they do in accepting money. That's only half a joke - at they very least they've got a lot of government red-tape to deal with to get and maintain their tax-free status and that does cost money. Nevermind the slew of people who are employed at charities taking home very large salaries while producing nothing and giving nothing.

We have the internet. We have Facebook. Send $1.29 straight to one of the victims or the family of one of them. It can't be that hard to figure out.
 
2012-07-28 06:05:47 AM  
Listened to the preview.

I think I'll just put on "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite" from the 2001 soundtrack.
 
2012-07-28 06:22:45 AM  

paulseta: Subby here.

Would say that I'm shocked about some of the reaction to what I thought was a very nice gesture by a good man (Zimmer is known as a good guy in film circles - much admired, in fact). I would say it, only I won't because this is Fark and.... well, we all know how contrary this place is. Part of the fun.

That said, I bought the single for four reasons:

1) I like Zimmer's work, so would likely have bought it anyway;
2) It's very, very inexpensive;
3) It is part of the process of coming to terms with a horrible event which should not have happened; an event which happened in a place people don't generally feel threatened in; and
4) As someone who does some work on films, it felt like a good thing to do, and something I wanted to at least play some (tiny) part in.

As it turns out, it's a very emotional and beautifully written and recorded piece. Don't like it? Fine, but the fact is that these things can be about more than money - it's a way of showing emotional support, and (I'm not in the U.S.) being able to do something, even if it is indeed a token gesture.

I laid flowers at the base of the entrance to the American embassy in my city after 9/11, along with many other people. Didn't help as such, but it helped with the helplessness, and it helped with showing support. In my opinion.


Don't feel too bad. Some farkers just take joy out of being contrarian assholes. They haven't donated a dime to help anyone, but love saying other people didn't do enough.
 
2012-07-28 06:30:19 AM  

Oznog: Having some trouble here. I listened to a bit of it and, being a Zimmer score, all I'm seeing in my mind is a movie clip of Holmes shooting everyone, in slow mo. After 3 seconds of him grinning and 4 rounds flashing out, we see a 1 second reaction of the crowd scrambling, 3 seconds of a brass casing slowly falling to the floor and another one just ABOUT to hit the floor, but then we cut to a camera near the door where people are scrambling over one another to get to it while the camera is moving upward on a jib arm, still in slow mo, then we cut back to the shooter on a close-up...

It's a movie score, which could be wildly inappropriate by some interpretations. Well I'm sure it's sorta just me and all.



Though I haven't heard the track, your description of the scene was so bang on that I know believe I have actually played the entire track, in my head, simply from the visuals you described. We're going to hell.
 
2012-07-28 06:36:49 AM  
If I recall Zimmer also scored for Pirates of the Caribbean, Inception and Call of duty.

/Great Music and a worthy cause? I'm in.
/Just saw TDKR, awesome movie.
/One could make a spooky correlation between it and sideshow bobs actions, tho.
 
2012-07-28 06:44:22 AM  

Poo_Fight: Oh yes! How do I toss my cash at the unverified charity?

Theatres are (~Chorus of angels~) SACRED PLACES? (~End chorus of angels~) Theatres...? Really? Is a theatre SACRED like the places where a child is born? or sacred like a place where our parents would pass away?

It's a farking THEATRE and it was a farking BARELY PASSABLE Batman movie.

YES! It was an atrocity, a terrible thing for anyone to go through.

But let's not act as if 50 seat multiplexes showing the next Dane Cook shiatFEST are the new Jerusalem.


Hospitals are not sacred.
 
2012-07-28 07:04:38 AM  
Hospitals are not sacred.

Theatres are?
 
2012-07-28 07:07:36 AM  
Hospitals are not sacred.

Not for nothing but two of my three children were born in my home, and BOTH of my parents passed away in the family home.

Stop pretending you don't get my point.
 
2012-07-28 07:22:46 AM  

flak attack: ladyfortuna: Apos: So....Zimmer is now the Fark pariah du jour?

Wow.

According to Wikipedia, he scored The Lion King. I stopped reading at that point, I'm fine with this, and I am well aware I own at least one other soundtrack he's scored, possibly up to a half dozen or so.

Also did Inception, The Prince of Egypt (yeah, the movie isn't that great, but the music is excellent) and Gladiator.


Also, Black Hawk Down, Pirates of the Caribbean, and numerous other movies. Haven't heard a track from him I don't like.

Zimmer is one of my favorite movie composers. I'm glad he's doing something like this.
 
2012-07-28 07:27:51 AM  
yep, I'm down for $1.29 on iTunes.
Thank you Mr. Zimmer.
Pray for the souls lost.
Namaste
 
2012-07-28 07:30:19 AM  

2wolves: Another Beg-a-thon. Thanks, but no thanks.


Ned Stark: lets not


insertsnarkyusername: I don't care at all.


How bout we all hope YOU people get shot when you're relaxing with your family/friends? Or someone in said group? Rot in hell.
 
2012-07-28 07:32:30 AM  

paulseta: Subby here.

Would say that I'm shocked about some of the reaction to what I thought was a very nice gesture by a good man (Zimmer is known as a good guy in film circles - much admired, in fact). I would say it, only I won't because this is Fark and.... well, we all know how contrary this place is. Part of the fun.

That said, I bought the single for four reasons:

1) I like Zimmer's work, so would likely have bought it anyway;
2) It's very, very inexpensive;
3) It is part of the process of coming to terms with a horrible event which should not have happened; an event which happened in a place people don't generally feel threatened in; and
4) As someone who does some work on films, it felt like a good thing to do, and something I wanted to at least play some (tiny) part in.

As it turns out, it's a very emotional and beautifully written and recorded piece. Don't like it? Fine, but the fact is that these things can be about more than money - it's a way of showing emotional support, and (I'm not in the U.S.) being able to do something, even if it is indeed a token gesture.

I laid flowers at the base of the entrance to the American embassy in my city after 9/11, along with many other people. Didn't help as such, but it helped with the helplessness, and it helped with showing support. In my opinion.


Well, thanks for the info. I'd love to donate something and I enjoy a lot of Zimmer's work so this is perfect. I wouldn't have known otherwise.
 
2012-07-28 07:42:40 AM  
100% of proceeds go towards charity thats all well and good. But it goes through Givingfirst.org. What's Gf's cut of the proceeds and just how and for what exactly are the monies disbursed?
 
2012-07-28 07:47:35 AM  
Where were you,
When they built the ladder to heaven
 
2012-07-28 08:44:11 AM  
Done and done.

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Fark.
 
2012-07-28 08:46:40 AM  
Every week it's something. Give here or give there. As tragic as this was, giving to every cause that comes around the bend is overkill. (no pun intended)
 
2012-07-28 09:14:31 AM  
images.askmen.com
Sung by Kelsey Grammer?
 
2012-07-28 09:21:46 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: WxGuy1: I feel bad for those affected by the shooting in Aurora last week. I really do. However, it's interesting how we, as a society, react to such events. In an average day, ~40 people in the U.S. are murdered, ~90 die in automobile crashes/accidents, and dozens of pedestrians are killed by motor vehicles. Undoubtedly, some of these people are every bit as innocent as the folks in the movie theater were. Where are their tributes and candle-light vigils? Where are their charity drives? The innocent people who die in non-dramatic stories seem to whither away in relative obscurity compared to the pop coverage of these types of shootings (Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc.).

I mention this not to diminish the events that happened in Aurora. I'm just curious as to why stories like this one "catch on". There are many innocent people killed doing things that we all do every day, so I don't think it's because "it could have been me". I suspect it's the result of the rare nature of the Aurora shooting and the relatively large number of deaths in such a small area -- it's such a "shocking" event, unlike the vehicle fatalities or murders involved innocent folks that we're now accustomed to as we watch/read the news. If people really cared about innocent people dying, then it probably shouldn't matter how they died (well, within reason). How many people have donated to the families who have lost innocent loved ones in car accidents or other fatal events since Aurora?

This pretty much covers how I feel about this event, and all the coverage it's been getting 24/7 since it happened. Of course it's newsworthy, now let it go. I don't need all the feel-good bullshiat stories and tributes, there are other things more important happening in the world right now.


You're missing the point. Guns are bad! Health care coverage is important! A drugged out, dirt poor med student can coordinate a takedown of 12 - with many more wounded - completely by himself, including buying $20,000 worth of guns, etc. And don't forget booby-trapping his apartment to the teeth right before he slips out the window. Don't you watch the frickin' "news"?

The song is creepy - big surprise: Link
 
2012-07-28 09:30:15 AM  
Don't click on that link for the Aurora donations/clip, above (I found it on Huffington Post). It tried to download a virus/bug of some sort on my computer.
 
2012-07-28 09:44:17 AM  
Little more info:

IPS Alert Name: Web Attack: Exploit Toolkit Website 8
Attacking computer: 77.247.75.142, 80
Attacking URL: castaway.dk/89394560.html
Traffice description: TCP, www-http
Severity: HIGH
 
2012-07-28 10:27:18 AM  
sending his love down the well, is he?
 
2012-07-28 10:30:19 AM  
so what does 100% of the proceeds mean? 100% minus studio fees and musician time?
 
2012-07-28 10:33:38 AM  

mrEdude: sending his love down the well, is he?


images.wikia.com
 
2012-07-28 10:34:14 AM  

Mondak: Maybe that 9-11 America country singer can reclaim his 15 minutes with a song about this.


That 9-11 country singer was famous already and is still selling records along with selling out arenas.

Hans Zimmer doesn't need the cash since he's had hits and soundtracks dating back to the 80s.
 
2012-07-28 11:32:40 AM  

WxGuy1: I feel bad for those affected by the shooting in Aurora last week. I really do. However, it's interesting how we, as a society, react to such events. In an average day, ~40 people in the U.S. are murdered, ~90 die in automobile crashes/accidents, and dozens of pedestrians are killed by motor vehicles. Undoubtedly, some of these people are every bit as innocent as the folks in the movie theater were. Where are their tributes and candle-light vigils? Where are their charity drives? The innocent people who die in non-dramatic stories seem to whither away in relative obscurity compared to the pop coverage of these types of shootings (Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc.).

I mention this not to diminish the events that happened in Aurora. I'm just curious as to why stories like this one "catch on". There are many innocent people killed doing things that we all do every day, so I don't think it's because "it could have been me". I suspect it's the result of the rare nature of the Aurora shooting and the relatively large number of deaths in such a small area -- it's such a "shocking" event, unlike the vehicle fatalities or murders involved innocent folks that we're now accustomed to as we watch/read the news. If people really cared about innocent people dying, then it probably shouldn't matter how they died (well, within reason). How many people have donated to the families who have lost innocent loved ones in car accidents or other fatal events since Aurora?


I don't know why events like this float to the top of the news cycle. I think the outrage comes from the fact that people going into a movie or going to school shouldn't have to be concerned about being shot.

However, jumping into truck with twenty two other people or speeding down the freeway, you're assuming some sort or risk.

/lives in Aurora
//never went to that theater at night because of gangs, not because of crazy people with semi automatic guns
///just saying
 
2012-07-28 11:44:24 AM  

qsblues: How bout we all hope YOU people get shot when you're relaxing with your family/friends? Or someone in said group? Rot in hell.


Camp Hill? Are you inside, or outside the walls?
 
2012-07-28 12:00:08 PM  
I hope nobody tries to make light of this tragedy by laying random gunshots over the track because that would be wholly inappropriate and tasteless. Seriously - I HOPE NOBODY DOES THIS. :wink: :wink:
 
2012-07-28 12:42:54 PM  
For a while, I'd forgotten the power of Fark to erase any faith in humanity people like Zimmer restore.
 
2012-07-28 01:24:28 PM  
It's a DAMNED PUBLICITY GRAB! 100% of the "proceeds"? You mean AFTER everyone gets paid? because that's how it works. You gullible dupes!!! JUST DONATE DIRECTLY TO THE VICITMS

Holy fark, are you idiots stupid.
 
2012-07-28 01:55:56 PM  

NewportBarGuy: PhiloeBedoe: It stinks like Redditt in here

Like 90's coding and premature ejaculation? Yeah, the AOL of the modern internet. Good for them.


Cold blooded!
 
2012-07-28 02:10:38 PM  
Um....has anyone actually LISTENED to the music!?
 
2012-07-28 02:11:01 PM  
It's a DAMNED PUBLICITY GRAB! 100% of the "proceeds"? You mean AFTER everyone gets paid? because that's how it works. You gullible dupes!!! JUST DONATE DIRECTLY TO THE VICITMS

Holy fark, are you idiots stupid.


THIS. If the Big Z cares about "Aurora", why doesn't he solicit money directly? Any reason he's going to pad the pockets of farkING APPLE TO DO THIS????
 
2012-07-28 02:13:51 PM  

ExcaliburPrime111: People who want to help get an incentive to make a nominal donation, which if multiplied over a large enough number of people, will result in a substantial donation.

Sure, it might be possible for him to donate a ton of money directly, but here you are, crying over the possibility of donating $1.29, yet you expect someone else to pay out hundreds of thousands or more. Come on.


Yeah, this time around, I'm not sure what the complaining is about. He got his money from writing compositions for movies. These people got rich because people like you and I went to see a movie, we paid for tickets, and in the case of something like Batman, probably bought some sort of merchandise. If he just reaches into his wallet to give freely, he's giving them money that used to be yours. I doubt you've gotten through much of your movie-watching adult life without being exposed to Hans Zimmer. Ever seen Gladiator? Pirates of the Caribbean? Inception? You paid the man. What he's proposing is that you buy a copy of something he wrote, and that money goes to shooting victims. I don't see the outrage.

Also, I don't think some people know what "proceeds" means.
 
2012-07-28 02:15:12 PM  
green arm band!!!

/nevar forget...sarcasm, dripping.
 
2012-07-28 02:18:48 PM  

Acharne: Oznog: Having some trouble here. I listened to a bit of it and, being a Zimmer score, all I'm seeing in my mind is a movie clip of Holmes shooting everyone, in slow mo. After 3 seconds of him grinning and 4 rounds flashing out, we see a 1 second reaction of the crowd scrambling, 3 seconds of a brass casing slowly falling to the floor and another one just ABOUT to hit the floor, but then we cut to a camera near the door where people are scrambling over one another to get to it while the camera is moving upward on a jib arm, still in slow mo, then we cut back to the shooter on a close-up...

It's a movie score, which could be wildly inappropriate by some interpretations. Well I'm sure it's sorta just me and all.


Though I haven't heard the track, your description of the scene was so bang on that I know believe I have actually played the entire track, in my head, simply from the visuals you described. We're going to hell.


Good God, it's in my head now, too. Get it out GET IT OUT
 
2012-07-28 02:18:59 PM  
He wrote and recorded this in a week. I don't want to buy rushed, uninspired music.

/douche factor of 11?
 
2012-07-28 02:22:19 PM  

Apos: So....Zimmer is now the Fark pariah du jour?

Wow.


Class warfare is bad, rich people are the wheels that keep society going, but if someone with more money than you asks you to open your wallet and be giving, they're horrible people.

Welcome to Fark.
 
2012-07-28 03:17:24 PM  
Song is now at number 4 with a bullet.
 
2012-07-28 04:59:28 PM  
I paid $9 to go see DKR the weekends of the shooting, I did my part.
 
2012-07-28 05:15:40 PM  
Good on you, Hans Zimmer.
 
2012-07-28 05:16:29 PM  
1. AICN link, seriously?
2. Hans, I want to buy the song. Make it available somewhere that isn't iTunes.
 
2012-07-28 05:18:52 PM  

GreenAdder: 1. AICN link, seriously?
2. Hans, I want to buy the song. Make it available somewhere that isn't iTunes.


I don't know that Fark is the best way to get a message to Hans, but good luck.
 
2012-07-28 05:34:43 PM  

Apos: So....Zimmer is now the Fark pariah du jour?

Wow.


I don't get it either, but... so it goes.
 
2012-07-28 07:32:13 PM  

paulseta: Subby here.


Thank you for sharing the news, I'm enjoying the track as I write this.
 
2012-07-28 07:45:03 PM  
i384.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-28 08:42:14 PM  

WxGuy1: I feel bad for those affected by the shooting in Aurora last week. I really do. However, it's interesting how we, as a society, react to such events. In an average day, ~40 people in the U.S. are murdered, ~90 die in automobile crashes/accidents, and dozens of pedestrians are killed by motor vehicles. Undoubtedly, some of these people are every bit as innocent as the folks in the movie theater were. Where are their tributes and candle-light vigils? Where are their charity drives? The innocent people who die in non-dramatic stories seem to whither away in relative obscurity compared to the pop coverage of these types of shootings (Aurora, Virginia Tech, etc.).

I mention this not to diminish the events that happened in Aurora. I'm just curious as to why stories like this one "catch on". There are many innocent people killed doing things that we all do every day, so I don't think it's because "it could have been me". I suspect it's the result of the rare nature of the Aurora shooting and the relatively large number of deaths in such a small area -- it's such a "shocking" event, unlike the vehicle fatalities or murders involved innocent folks that we're now accustomed to as we watch/read the news. If people really cared about innocent people dying, then it probably shouldn't matter how they died (well, within reason). How many people have donated to the families who have lost innocent loved ones in car accidents or other fatal events since Aurora?


Quoted for truth.

On Harry Chapin's "Gold Medal Collection" there's a piece -- spoken word -- called "Thanksgiving Hunger Drives." It says much of the same thing: we open our hearts for special events, and forget what happens the next day, and the day after, and all the rest of the year.

700 Americans are dead. No, not all at one time. Not all in one place. But 700 Americans have died since the Aurora shootings. They've died on American highways. They were going to work, they were riding in their parents' cars, they were doing their grocery shopping ... odds are some were on their way to a movie theater. They all had friends, families, loved ones. 700 people dead, and we don't even notice.

58 Americans are dead. No, not all at one time or in one place either. But another 58 Americans have died since the Aurora shootings. They've died on residential fires. They were grandparents, parents, children, infants. They all had friends, families, loved ones. 58 people dead (one of them about half a mile away from where I sit typing this), and we don't even notice.

12 dead people are important.

58 dead people aren't important.

700 dead people aren't important.

One is a national tragedy ... two are business as usual. There are vigils, fundraising, and of course calls for laws, laws, and more laws for one ... nothing for the other two. Random strangers are deeply concerned about the one, but don't even notice, let alone care about, the others. "It could have been me" ... but so could the person who is just going to work and gets killed by another driver. And it's much, much, much more likely to be you. But unless you die in some public and dramatic fashion, the president won't make a speech. Flags won't be flown at half-staff. Composers won't write songs for you. Strangers won't put their checkbooks where their hearts belong. You'll be a nobody, just like the thousands of people who die in home fires, the tens of thousands of people who die on roads, the people who die in bathroom accidents and from dog bites, from lightning strikes and accidents at work. 317 people have been murdered since the Aurora shootings, but there's no national outcry. Why not?

It's worth listening to Harry Chapin's "Thanksgiving Hunger Drives." I'm sure you can buy it off Amazon or iTunes or your preferred music vendor. Personally, I've got the CD. He had it right. Okay, so we make a big deal out of it once a year ... then what? The people are still hungry the next day, the next week, the next month. More people have died of accidental causes in the time it's taken me to type this post than died in the Aurora shootings. What are we doing about them? Do we only care about big, dramatic events? Are we really that shallow?

Do those numbers scare you? Then wear your damn seatbelt. Don't drink and drive. Test your smoke detectors regularly. Don't be a statistic. Because you've got a lot higher chance of being one of those statistics than of being shot by a madman ... and you've also got a lot more you can do to avoid it.
 
2012-07-29 01:11:45 AM  

Patterson: He wrote and recorded this in a week. I don't want to buy rushed, uninspired music.

/douche factor of 11?


You realize that television composers often only have 3-4 days to come up with tracks for an episode, right? Experienced composers, especially if they have a production team, can do magic in just a couple of days. Just putting it in perspective...
 
2012-07-29 03:26:10 AM  
That's a lot better than that asshole Charlie Sheen donating 1% of his new show's proceeds to our troops. You know, just enough not to have to get into fractions.
 
2012-07-29 07:48:47 AM  
I don't buy anything for a cause, no matter how important I think the cause is. If I want to donate to something (shooting victims, a Girl Scout troop, cancer research, whatever) I'll donate to them -- I'll write a check (or, these days, just go to my favorite charities' websites). When I see "5% of our profits go to charity" I read "95% of our profits and everything we can call an expense go straight to our pockets." Since the manufacturer's profit on a $10 item is likely to be around a dollar, a nickel would go to that charity. If I buy a cheaper item -- say, for $9 -- and send the charity the difference, they're making out 20x over.

If you want to buy stuff, buy stuff. If you want to donate money to a charity, donate money to a charity. But don't be fooled by the marketers who try to convince you that doing the former is the same as doing the latter.

And another 43 people have died on American highways since my last post. Where is their national outpouring of grief? 4 more have died in house fires. Where is their candlelight vigil?

Do you have a volunteer fire department serving your area? Did you donate to their last fundraiser? Who in your area helps the victims of fires? Do you even know? Did you give them so much as $1.29? And did you push the little "test" button on your smoke detectors yet?
 
2012-07-29 11:23:56 AM  

WxGuy1: In an average day, ~40 people in the U.S. are murdered, ~90 die in automobile crashes/accidents, and dozens of pedestrians are killed by motor vehicles. Undoubtedly, some of these people are every bit as innocent as the folks in the movie theater were. Where are their tributes and candle-light vigils? Where are their charity drives?


Probably happening right now in their home towns, as they always do. I see them all the time. Routinely. They don't make national news because, you know, their deaths aren't national news. But they are honored by the people whose lives they touched, as is appropriate, and they are regularly covered by their local media, as is appropriate.

If a dozen pedestrians were killed by a driver who went out of his way to run them down, you bet it would garner national attention.

This shouldn't even need to be explained. It's man bites dog.

Worldwalker: And another 43 people have died on American highways since my last post. Where is their national outpouring of grief? 4 more have died in house fires. Where is their candlelight vigil?


The candlelight vigil is probably taking place in their home town. There is no national outpouring of grief for those highway deaths because they are 43 separate and unrelated incidents that did not take place on the national stage and did not take place in a place and context where tragic death is a known quantity like it is on the roads. If there was a single tragic accident that took a dozen lives, and at the hands of someone who purposely killed them, then you would see a national outpouring of grief.

But traffic accidents are a regular part of life. We expect them. We know some will be tragic. A dozen people being shot while sitting back to watch a movie is not a regular part of life. It's unexpected and shocking.

I'm not entirely sure what is so hard to understand about this.
 
2012-07-29 11:31:39 AM  

Patterson: He wrote and recorded this in a week. I don't want to buy rushed, uninspired music.


Music written in a single night invariably sucks.
 
2012-07-29 11:47:41 AM  

shoegaze99: Patterson: He wrote and recorded this in a week. I don't want to buy rushed, uninspired music.

Music written in a single night invariably sucks.


Beatles is possibly the WORST band in existence.
 
2012-07-29 12:37:04 PM  

shoegaze99: But traffic accidents are a regular part of life. We expect them.


That's pretty much my point: We think some deaths are more important than others because some are "a regular part of life" and some are, well, not so regular. We're not reacting to the deaths -- we're reacting to the novelty. When you come right down to it, it's not about the deaths at all.

And no, there's no proportionality. Some people are honored locally, but most aren't. They might get a mention in the newspaper -- "fatal traffic accident at the corner of South and Main" -- but Hans Zimmer doesn't write music for them. Flags aren't flown at half-staff. Politicians don't make speeches. 14 people have died on the roads since I wrote my last post ... they all have stories just as special, just as tragic, as the ones in Aurora ... but CNN doesn't have those stories on their home page. The 77-year-old lady who died in a fire right near me on Friday night ... she got 574 words in the local paper. 384 of them were about how she might have been a hoarder. A woman died in a car crash last night, and her husband was injured, when another car ran a stop sign and T-boned them. Family members in a car following them had the joy of watching it happen. 120 words. I did a search on "Aurora Colorado" in that same paper and got 73 hits, of which inspection showed 22 were about the shootings.

Think about it: 12 people who were killed a thousand miles away are more important to the people in my town, and it's not all that big a town, than a person who was killed yesterday. They don't even tell us when yesterday ... just "Saturday." She gets 120 words, not 22 articles. She was someone's wife, someone's daughter, probably someone's mother or sister or co-worker, someone's friend. She was just as important to someone as Alex Teves. But she gets 120 words in a local paper, and nothing more.

Sure, I know why people do it. They latch onto the dramatic, the exciting, the unusual. That's why they're afraid of being killed by a snake but not a dog. Why they're afraid of flying but not driving to the airport. Why they do a lot of things. The "why do we..." part is rhetorical. My point is that we should really examine our thinking, our reactions, and ask ourselves if they're appropriate. It should be (at least!) just as big a deal to someone living in my town that a person was killed in a car wreck yesterday, with her family watching, than that some stranger was killed a thousand miles away. But like you said, "traffic accidents are a regular part of life." Too many people don't really care about the individuals, don't really care about the deaths, they just want something to get emotional about, and someone to tell them how and why to get emotional about it.

I think that's a big part of what's wrong with our country. We care about the dramatic, the flashy, the packaged-for-TV events, but not about the things that actually affect us. As I said earlier, how many of the people who have given money to any Aurora victims' fund have done the same for local fire victims, or even something like their local animal shelter or food pantry?

We need to look at, and react to, what's happening around us. Like Harry Chapin said ... what happens the day after Thanksgiving?
 
2012-07-29 08:58:14 PM  

Worldwalker: Speech.


Nicely written.
 
2012-07-30 09:20:17 AM  
No, let's not.
Mass killings are bad enough, but the only thing worse is the inevitable hack artist making a "tribute" to deceased in order to get publicity for their shiatty song.
 
2012-07-30 09:26:15 AM  
"Hans Zimmer'
I mean, whoever heard of this guy anyway. Why doesn't he get a real job?
 
2012-07-30 11:13:08 AM  

Nezorf: Worldwalker: Speech.

Nicely written.


Thanks.
 
2012-07-30 11:26:04 AM  

doubled99: No, let's not.
Mass killings are bad enough, but the only thing worse is the inevitable hack artist making a "tribute" to deceased in order to get publicity for their shiatty song.


I'm not sure if you're trolling or not.

In the unlikely event that you're really this clueless, Hans Zimmer is the man who wrote the music for the movie in question. That gives him a certain connection with the event. He also scored a hell of a lot of other movies: Pirates of the Caribbean, Gladiator, etc.

This thread has long ago petered out; such is the tao of Fark. My question, Harry Chapin's question, still stands: What happens the day after Thanksgiving? I think this emphasis on Aurora is the wrong focus -- we need to be looking at what we can do for the less-dramatic, but every bit as important, tragedies that don't make the national news for weeks on end. But that doesn't make Hans Zimmer a "hack artist". You might not like his music ... after all, there are people who like Justin Bieber, which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that it takes all kinds and then some ... but Zimmer is nonetheless very well-known and, in many people's opinions (including my own), very good.
 
2012-07-30 04:12:24 PM  

Worldwalker: doubled99: No, let's not.
Mass killings are bad enough, but the only thing worse is the inevitable hack artist making a "tribute" to deceased in order to get publicity for their shiatty song.


This thread has long ago petered out; such is the tao of Fark. My question, Harry Chapin's question, still stands: What happens the day after Thanksgiving? I think this emphasis on Aurora is the wrong focus -- we need to be looking at what we can do for the less-dramatic, but every bit as important, tragedies that don't make the national news for weeks on end.


There is one thing I'd like to ask, though.

Do you understand why events like this gets the attention they do? That's all I want to know. I understand you disagree, but that's not been my point.
 
2012-07-30 04:34:24 PM  

JonBuck: Do you understand why events like this gets the attention they do? That's all I want to know. I understand you disagree, but that's not been my point.


Yes, I do. See my posts above regarding people focusing on the different and the dramatic instead of the mundane. My point is that we should be more aware of our own tendencies in that regard and try to do things that really make a difference, not just the "cause du jour" that makes us feel good.

As I said, the "why do we...?" part is rhetorical. "Dammit, stop doing..." just doesn't work as well.
 
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