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2012-07-27 09:48:09 PM  
Glenn's brother, mother and friend found him in his hotel room, "on the floor and half in the bathtub, facing the toilet with his pants around his ankles," the family's lawyer wrote in the lawsuit.

Are you sure this wasn't a Fark party?
 
2012-07-27 10:22:13 PM  
Glenn's brother, mother and friend found him in his hotel room, "on the floor and half in the bathtub, facing the toilet with his pants around his ankles,"

Is it Friday night already?
 
2012-07-27 10:28:26 PM  
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a saltshaker half-full of cocaine, and a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also, a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether, and two dozen amyls.
 
2012-07-27 10:28:46 PM  
Nicolas Cage unavailable for comment.
 
2012-07-27 10:30:14 PM  
Maybe it's just me. but something about this story is setting off my bullsh*t detector just doesn't add up
 
2012-07-27 10:36:20 PM  
The suit says Glenn died in his hotel room. He'd taken prescribed painkillers including Percocet, morphine and Xanax, as well as antipsychotic medications in the three weeks before his death,


I take Xanax for panic attacks. I drink booze too.

I'm well aware, even so shiatfaced it seems like a good idea at 12 AM on a work night to go to a second round of all night Karaoke that mixing benzos and alcohol at the same time is a death sentence commuted only by luck.

This guy had serious addiction problems and his death is not the fault of anyone but himself. Personally I'd give people all the drugs they ask for because that's freedom. You want to be free, you go to accept that some people will kill themselves willingly or on accident. You can't force them to be responsible. You can only help them if they help themselves.

This guy wasn't helping himself, clearly. Poor soul, we may feel sympathy, but blame should only be placed squarely on the up-facing butt of the guy who died and the family that let him go to a casino in the first place. By the time you've let him go to the casino, you've no right to complain if he gets free drinks. That ship has sailed from safe harbor. Not to mention, why's he drinkin' at all? farkin' dude should be able to handle his own buzz just fine with some OJ if he's rockin' the Xanax and Percocets. I mean there's a time when you're high enough.
 
2012-07-27 10:38:39 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe it's just me. but something about this story is setting off my bullsh*t detector just doesn't add up


Are you kidding? Booze mixes poorly with pills.

Super pill head goes to casino, get's three martinis. Depending on what's in his system, he could be a dead man walking before that second olive is placed in the glass.
 
2012-07-27 10:40:24 PM  

doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe it's just me. but something about this story is setting off my bullsh*t detector just doesn't add up

Are you kidding? Booze mixes poorly with pills.

Super pill head goes to casino, get's three martinis. Depending on what's in his system, he could be a dead man walking before that second olive is placed in the glass.


I have trouble with the family's story, too
 
2012-07-27 10:52:09 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe it's just me. but something about this story is setting off my bullsh*t detector just doesn't add up

Are you kidding? Booze mixes poorly with pills.

Super pill head goes to casino, get's three martinis. Depending on what's in his system, he could be a dead man walking before that second olive is placed in the glass.

I have trouble with the family's story, too


I don't.

Their story is one of a selfish family that halfassedly left their mentally unstable junkie loose with whores and barmen. When Jason Mewes was doing H, Kevin Smith actually brought in all their friends and they took turns watching him so he wouldn't get too strung out and ponied up all the money for the multiple times Jay went through rehab. That is what a friend does. Not everyone has pockets like Smith, but you don't see Kevin driving Jay down to Prostitute Alley to score more smack.

If your suicidal pill popper is a suicidal pill popper, DON'T LEAVE HIM ALONE AT A CASINO! Hell, don't even take him there. Call the police have him involuntarily committed.
 
2012-07-27 10:52:40 PM  
He'd taken prescribed painkillers including Percocet, morphine and Xanax, as well as antipsychotic medications in the three weeks before his death, the lawsuit says.

Meh, learn some personal responsibility.
 
2012-07-27 11:08:58 PM  
Junkies are done when they're done and there is nothing you can do to change their path. He was done and it certainly isn't the fault of the casino.
 
2012-07-27 11:18:47 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Junkies are done when they're done and there is nothing you can do to change their path. He was done and it certainly isn't the fault of the casino.


this this and ONLY THIS

either we can be free or the state can decide everything that happens in our lives.
either we can drink or the state can set limits. make the bars test your blood before serving you a drink.
"sorry, you are over the limit."
Oh yes, and the state would have to make private ownership of booze illegal again. LOL
 
2012-07-27 11:23:30 PM  
He knew what he was drinking into...
 
2012-07-27 11:26:40 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Junkies are done when they're done and there is nothing you can do to change their path. He was done and it certainly isn't the fault of the casino.


In general, casinos have a policy to cut off guests who are clearly intoxicated.
 
2012-07-27 11:34:18 PM  
His days were numbered. His family did him no favors taking him to a casino. If the family couldn't control him, how did they expect the casino to? Even after he is sent hOme, he still gets into more drinks and prostitutes.
 
2012-07-27 11:35:53 PM  

namatad: AbbeySomeone: Junkies are done when they're done and there is nothing you can do to change their path. He was done and it certainly isn't the fault of the casino.

this this and ONLY THIS

either we can be free or the state can decide everything that happens in our lives.
either we can drink or the state can set limits. make the bars test your blood before serving you a drink.
"sorry, you are over the limit."
Oh yes, and the state would have to make private ownership of booze illegal again. LOL


Or... make drinks test your blood alcohol level and give you a kidney stone if you're overly drunk.
 
2012-07-28 12:36:40 AM  
f*ck this dipsh*t and f*ck his greedy ass family.
 
2012-07-28 12:44:41 AM  
They were afraid the guy was too drunk and pilled up to live, had already complained about the whores robbing him and they left to take someone home?

Do they not have cabs in that state? Or cops, or ambulances, or adults capable of pouring a drunk guy into the car and taking him home?

It sounds like the family members are professional victims. They were staying at a casino after picking up a check in a lawsuit.
 
2012-07-28 12:47:02 AM  

Skywolf Philosopher: namatad: AbbeySomeone: Junkies are done when they're done and there is nothing you can do to change their path. He was done and it certainly isn't the fault of the casino.

this this and ONLY THIS

either we can be free or the state can decide everything that happens in our lives.
either we can drink or the state can set limits. make the bars test your blood before serving you a drink.
"sorry, you are over the limit."
Oh yes, and the state would have to make private ownership of booze illegal again. LOL

Or... make drinks test your blood alcohol level and give you a kidney stone if you're overly drunk.


or just cause your liver to explode and kill you
oh wait, that already happens. TADA

why do we continue to allow these bullshiat lawsuits?
sucks that your family member died in aurora, but the theater is not responsible for every patrons actions. sorry.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
how did he get the weapons in??
fark
maybe the lawsuit has SOME basis
 
2012-07-28 12:53:28 AM  

namatad: sucks that your family member died in aurora, but the theater is not responsible for every patrons actions. sorry.


Yet the felt compelled to prohibit legally carried firearms. I think they bought the duty to protect for their patrons with that.
 
2012-07-28 02:04:16 AM  
When his friend and relatives finally convinced Glenn to leave, the lawsuit says, a dealer told him he still had chips and said, "'Aren't you going to come back and play?'"


I'd thought casinos weren't allowed to do this sort of thing anymore. I remember an article on fark where a gambling addict in rehab sent a letter to a casino telling them this and to stop harassing him with postal offers, and they kept mailing him things anyway; getting in serious trouble, if I recall correctly.
 
2012-07-28 02:56:51 AM  
Well, at least he died doing what he loved.
 
2012-07-28 03:09:23 AM  
The docotr that gave him all those pills should be sued.
 
2012-07-28 03:21:21 AM  
It's a state by state thing. Each state sets its own rules.
 
2012-07-28 04:08:26 AM  

doglover: The suit says Glenn died in his hotel room. He'd taken prescribed painkillers including Percocet, morphine and Xanax, as well as antipsychotic medications in the three weeks before his death,


I take Xanax for panic attacks. I drink booze too.

I'm well aware, even so shiatfaced it seems like a good idea at 12 AM on a work night to go to a second round of all night Karaoke that mixing benzos and alcohol at the same time is a death sentence commuted only by luck.

This guy had serious addiction problems and his death is not the fault of anyone but himself. Personally I'd give people all the drugs they ask for because that's freedom. You want to be free, you go to accept that some people will kill themselves willingly or on accident. You can't force them to be responsible. You can only help them if they help themselves.

This guy wasn't helping himself, clearly. Poor soul, we may feel sympathy, but blame should only be placed squarely on the up-facing butt of the guy who died and the family that let him go to a casino in the first place. By the time you've let him go to the casino, you've no right to complain if he gets free drinks. That ship has sailed from safe harbor. Not to mention, why's he drinkin' at all? farkin' dude should be able to handle his own buzz just fine with some OJ if he's rockin' the Xanax and Percocets. I mean there's a time when you're high enough.


I don't know, I'm a big proponent of personal responsibility, but in this case I get the impression (at least from the way the article is written, obviously we don't have the whole story) that the guy was not in his right state of mind, and from the description of his behavior at the casino, it should have been fairly clear to them that he was either not all there or WAY too drunk. The family asked them not to serve him, and it was the casino's discretion to continue to do so. They could have easily just not given him the booze without it being any trouble to them. I do believe they are at least partially culpable. Yeah, it was his decision to drink, but it sounds pretty obvious to me that he wasn't in a position to be thinking clearly, and it would have been obvious to casinos as well. Sadly, there have been a lot of accounts of casinos getting people as drunk as possible so that they will not be in the right state of mind to make a good decision, as good decisions also tend to include not betting the deed to your house and then hitting on 18. If one of my clients were to walk off of a rooftop because he thought he was superman, even though it'd be his decision, I'd be culpable if I said "sure you are! Here's your cape, have fun!" much like the casino should be held responsible for helping an obviously impaired man kill himself.
 
2012-07-28 04:09:10 AM  
Call me suspicious, but it could be that the family sacrificed their son
/ brother in anticipation of death by partying too much. Lawsuit is profit
 
2012-07-28 04:15:31 AM  
There are worse ways to go. This would actually be in my Top 10 deaths, right after "getting shot by a jealous husband on the way out the window" and before "smothered by Katy Perry's boobs."
 
2012-07-28 04:16:34 AM  
House always wins.
 
2012-07-28 04:16:57 AM  
Sounds like it was time for him to go. What a wreck.
 
2012-07-28 04:18:46 AM  
FTA: Glenn's mother argued with the prostitute, then went to a security guard, who made the woman give the money back, according to the lawsuit.

I would like to think that at 30 my mommy wouldn't interfere with me hiring a hooker. Of course, Id like to think that no matter how drunk I was, I wouldn't hire a hooker with my mommy sitting there.

Perhaps this is a situation where HE is better off AND the world is a better place.
 
2012-07-28 04:21:21 AM  
And, yes, it *IS* the casinos fault if they were informed of a drug interaction risk and they served him anyway.

Think about it, If someone told you that I was drunk and suicidal and was GOING to shoot myself if you handed me a gun, and you had a choice NOT to hand me the gun and did anyway, would you be at least partly at fault?
 
2012-07-28 04:23:23 AM  
I hate to be cynical, but I have a hard time believing that the immediate family's potential loss of income for a unemployed, alcoholic, prescription drug abusing gambler really comes out to 75 million. And certainly they have laws about over-serving, but they are not required to access your medical records to determine any alcohol interaction warnings.
Somebody is lying about what happened. Hard to tell who, since one side stands to make millions and the other lose them.
 
2012-07-28 04:24:57 AM  
Sorry for the triple post, but I think what people are missing is this:

They were informed of the risk, but they saw an impaired man betting 1000 dollars a hand and they wanted him as drunk as they could get him... for a reason.

I'm thinking if this were a back alley card room, someone would be getting charged with murder for profit.
 
2012-07-28 04:25:39 AM  
I can only think that a bartender's responsibility is to not serve if the customer appears too intoxicated already.

Not the bartender's responsibility to be a pharmacist and determine what drugs he may have in his system with adverse side effects.
 
2012-07-28 04:25:55 AM  
TFA has every reason why, after 25 years, I choose not to be in the casino business any more. Nor the addicted business for that matter.
 
2012-07-28 04:31:53 AM  

farkingismybusiness: House always wins.


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

I assure you this man needed no help from me. Now, about that Platinum Chip.
 
2012-07-28 04:32:29 AM  

batcookie: I don't know, I'm a big proponent of personal responsibility, but in this case I get the impression (at least from the way the article is written, obviously we don't have the whole story) that the guy was not in his right state of mind, and from the description of his behavior at the casino, it should have been fairly clear to them that he was either not all there or WAY too drunk. The family asked them not to serve him, and it was the casino's discretion to continue to do so. They could have easily just not given him the booze without it being any trouble to them. I do believe they are at least partially culpable. Yeah, it was his decision to drink, but it sounds pretty obvious to me that he wasn't in a position to be thinking clearly, and it would have been obvious to casinos as well. Sadly, there have been a lot of accounts of casinos getting people as drunk as possible so that they will not be in the right state of mind to make a good decision, as good decisions also tend to include not betting the deed to your house and then hitting on 18. If one of my clients were to walk off of a rooftop because he thought he was superman, even though it'd be his decision, I'd be culpable if I said "sure you are! Here's your cape, have fun!" much like the casino should be held responsible for helping an obviously impaired man kill himself.


I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. I'm sure there is security camera footage that should confirm or deny that this guy was in fact falling down wasted as the family claims but if it is as they described in the article the casino acted recklessly and contributed to his death.

If he had gotten behind the wheel of a car and killed someone they might even be facing criminal charges. That has happened before.

But the family should never have left him alone in that situation either. If nothing else they could have called the cops themselves and had him taken into custody for his own safety. A simple charge of public intoxication would have worked.
 
2012-07-28 04:32:32 AM  

starsrift: I can only think that a bartender's responsibility is to not serve if the customer appears too intoxicated already.

Not the bartender's responsibility to be a pharmacist and determine what drugs he may have in his system with adverse side effects.


His family may or may not have told them the risks while pleading with them not to serve him, but the point is moot anyway. The way his behavior at the casino was described, he was not in his right mind, whether it be from drug interactions or being too intoxicated already, which you've already pointed out still makes them responsible.
 
2012-07-28 04:35:25 AM  

Happy Hours: batcookie: I don't know, I'm a big proponent of personal responsibility, but in this case I get the impression (at least from the way the article is written, obviously we don't have the whole story) that the guy was not in his right state of mind, and from the description of his behavior at the casino, it should have been fairly clear to them that he was either not all there or WAY too drunk. The family asked them not to serve him, and it was the casino's discretion to continue to do so. They could have easily just not given him the booze without it being any trouble to them. I do believe they are at least partially culpable. Yeah, it was his decision to drink, but it sounds pretty obvious to me that he wasn't in a position to be thinking clearly, and it would have been obvious to casinos as well. Sadly, there have been a lot of accounts of casinos getting people as drunk as possible so that they will not be in the right state of mind to make a good decision, as good decisions also tend to include not betting the deed to your house and then hitting on 18. If one of my clients were to walk off of a rooftop because he thought he was superman, even though it'd be his decision, I'd be culpable if I said "sure you are! Here's your cape, have fun!" much like the casino should be held responsible for helping an obviously impaired man kill himself.

I'm gonna have to agree with you on this. I'm sure there is security camera footage that should confirm or deny that this guy was in fact falling down wasted as the family claims but if it is as they described in the article the casino acted recklessly and contributed to his death.

If he had gotten behind the wheel of a car and killed someone they might even be facing criminal charges. That has happened before.

But the family should never have left him alone in that situation either. If nothing else they could have called the cops themselves and had him taken into custody for his own safety. A simple charge of public intoxication would have worked.


Agreed, it was not their best decision to leave him, but short of locking him away like you said, there was no guarantee he wouldn't have found his way right back. Maybe they should have calld the cops and left him in the drunk tank overnight, but it was still the casino who went against their wishes not to serve him.
 
2012-07-28 04:36:42 AM  

doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe it's just me. but something about this story is setting off my bullsh*t detector just doesn't add up

Are you kidding? Booze mixes poorly with pills.

Super pill head goes to casino, get's three martinis. Depending on what's in his system, he could be a dead man walking before that second olive is placed in the glass.

I have trouble with the family's story, too

I don't.

Their story is one of a selfish family that halfassedly left their mentally unstable junkie loose with whores and barmen. When Jason Mewes was doing H, Kevin Smith actually brought in all their friends and they took turns watching him so he wouldn't get too strung out and ponied up all the money for the multiple times Jay went through rehab. That is what a friend does. Not everyone has pockets like Smith, but you don't see Kevin driving Jay down to Prostitute Alley to score more smack.

If your suicidal pill popper is a suicidal pill popper, DON'T LEAVE HIM ALONE AT A CASINO! Hell, don't even take him there. Call the police have him involuntarily committed.


All of the Al-Anon meetings I've been to say the opposite. You can't help them. Only they can help themselves. Seen that too many times. I told my sister to go f herself. A few years later, she thanked me for that. Thankfully she's got her shiat together. Too much going on in my own life to worry about her trips to Newark.

Benzo's and booze man, the only two you'll convulse and die from going cold turkey. Worse than smack I tell ya.
 
2012-07-28 04:37:44 AM  

Slick Johnson: TFA has every reason why, after 25 years, I choose not to be in the casino business any more. Nor the addicted business for that matter.


I had a couple friends who became blackjack dealers, after thinking about it for a bit I discussed the ins and outs with them.

We've drifted apart, I can't relate to people who prey, even as pawns, on the weak and sick

/alcoholic
 
2012-07-28 04:39:45 AM  

batcookie: Agreed, it was not their best decision to leave him, but short of locking him away like you said, there was no guarantee he wouldn't have found his way right back. Maybe they should have calld the cops and left him in the drunk tank overnight, but it was still the casino who went against their wishes not to serve him.


Yep, at that point, what else can you do// (other than informing the cops who i imagine get ' someone is too drunk' calls many times a day...
 
2012-07-28 04:39:54 AM  
How I see it the pit boss was trying to get him as drunk as possible to spend more money at the casino. As the story goes which is just all he said she said.

When his friend and relatives finally convinced Glenn to leave, the lawsuit says, a dealer told him he still had chips and said, "'Aren't you going to come back and play?'"

Kinda like they seen a person that wasnt really right in the mind and throwing down big money on blackjack hands. They wanted him to stay and get more intoxicated so he could lose more money. Granted I guess thats what casinos are for but there should be a limit. Do I think that the lawsuit is worth 75 million dollars, No I do not. The family probally seen a tragety and was thinking of a quick way to make some money. They were essentally there picking up a check from a previous lawsuit, the part that boggles my mind is they knew this dude had problems with drinking and such, yet they allowed him to hold onto the money. There would have to be a better person in that family to watch the money besides the drunked half retarted junkie, I guess thats the way the dice rolls for some people but the family shouldnt be entitled to any money just because they couldnt control there kid.
 
2012-07-28 04:47:38 AM  

White_Scarf_Syndrome: doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: doglover: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Maybe it's just me. but something about this story is setting off my bullsh*t detector just doesn't add up

Are you kidding? Booze mixes poorly with pills.

Super pill head goes to casino, get's three martinis. Depending on what's in his system, he could be a dead man walking before that second olive is placed in the glass.

I have trouble with the family's story, too

I don't.

Their story is one of a selfish family that halfassedly left their mentally unstable junkie loose with whores and barmen. When Jason Mewes was doing H, Kevin Smith actually brought in all their friends and they took turns watching him so he wouldn't get too strung out and ponied up all the money for the multiple times Jay went through rehab. That is what a friend does. Not everyone has pockets like Smith, but you don't see Kevin driving Jay down to Prostitute Alley to score more smack.

If your suicidal pill popper is a suicidal pill popper, DON'T LEAVE HIM ALONE AT A CASINO! Hell, don't even take him there. Call the police have him involuntarily committed.

All of the Al-Anon meetings I've been to say the opposite. You can't help them. Only they can help themselves. Seen that too many times. I told my sister to go f herself. A few years later, she thanked me for that. Thankfully she's got her shiat together. Too much going on in my own life to worry about her trips to Newark.

Benzo's and booze man, the only two you'll convulse and die from going cold turkey. Worse than smack I tell ya.


Yeah, but you need to understand something about locus of control - like most views, people tend to project their beliefs as if everyone were like they are. I like doglover, actually, but he's very much on the extremist end of the "it's all your own doing", internal locus of control side of the spectrum. Every day I have to tell my clients that yes, there are things you cannot control and bad things may happen to you, but you can always control how you cope. Internal and external locus of control, as with most things, is about achieving an ideal balance. Does it sound like the guy was coping very well with his illness? No. But could he control the callousness of a casino who would rather see a few extra bucks in their pocket that look out for the welfare of a fellow human being? Nope. Could his family had brought him with them while he left? Yeah, maybe. But maybe they were concerned about him being around the other family member they were bringing home in that state? We don't know why they didn't. It could have been something they couldn't control just as easily as it could have been a conscious choice. Keep in mind they did return right to the casino after bringing this other person home, it says, so obviously they didn't just shrug and say "ah, fark 'im, he'll get home... probably..." The fact is, there will always be "what ifs" that maybe if a person did one thing differently it could have turned out differently, but when someone makes a conscious decision like the casino did to profit at the expense of another person's well-being, that's not something he or his family could have controlled.
 
2012-07-28 04:50:00 AM  
I have nothing to add.

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2012-07-28 04:52:04 AM  

I sound fat: FTA: Glenn's mother argued with the prostitute, then went to a security guard, who made the woman give the money back, according to the lawsuit.

I would like to think that at 30 my mommy wouldn't interfere with me hiring a hooker. Of course, Id like to think that no matter how drunk I was, I wouldn't hire a hooker with my mommy sitting there.

Perhaps this is a situation where HE is better off AND the world is a better place.


With this kind of family there is no mystery about his need to escape with pills and booze. They put the fun in dysfunctional.
 
2012-07-28 04:54:11 AM  
Hmmm... I don't know, Abbey, I think you're perceiving a lot of stuff that isn't in the article. Did we read the same thing? Sounds like the average behavior of a family trying to cope with a loved one with mental illness/addiction problems.
 
2012-07-28 04:54:49 AM  
Note to pit bosses:

The drunks can't spend more money at the casino if they die upstairs.
 
2012-07-28 04:57:52 AM  
From TFA: Glenn's friend, trained as an emergency medical technician, tried for 25 minutes to revive Glenn until a casino medic arrived, according to the lawsuit. The medic told Glenn's friend to continue CPR because the medic didn't have a "mouthpiece." An ambulance crew arrived 20 minutes later, but Glenn died on the scene, the lawsuit says.

I don't really buy into the over serving argument, but this part is also unnecessary. The guy was an unwitnessed cardiac arrest. He was probably in asystole (and long gone) when his friend started CPR and but he was definitely in asystole 25 minutes later when the casino medic arrived. Why didn't the friend or family call 911 as soon as they found the guy unconscious and not breathing? There's no way that an ambulance wouldn't have been there within 7-8 minutes (at most), let alone the 45 minutes claimed in the article if the family or friend had called for assistance right away.
 
2012-07-28 04:58:36 AM  
If it were that serious why not just call the cops to drag him out. They can if you can prove that he was endangering himself.
 
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