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(Boing Boing)   When asked why his stories include so much sex, George R.R. Martin cites the double standard of axe wounds in entertainment   (boingboing.net) divider line 174
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2012-07-27 01:45:59 PM  
Because in George R. R. Martin's world, death is lurking around every goddamn corner, so you'd best get your licks in while you can.
 
2012-07-27 01:52:06 PM  
Hodor.
 
2012-07-27 01:52:22 PM  
Point well made. Of course, that's not going to stop the army of soccer moms that want to be offended by it, then go home and read 50 Shades of Grey. Hypocrisy has no upper limit.
 
2012-07-27 01:57:54 PM  
Ahh, hairy axe wound.
 
2012-07-27 02:05:45 PM  
In high school someone showed one our teachers a passage from a Stephen King book (can't remember which one) where the character committed suicide by shoving their arm into a a garbage disposal. The teacher was somewhat disgusted and said he would have stopped reading the book right there so some people do have a problem with graphic descriptions of violence in literature.
 
2012-07-27 02:09:18 PM  

Happy Hours: In high school someone showed one our teachers a passage from a Stephen King book (can't remember which one) where the character committed suicide by shoving their arm into a a garbage disposal. The teacher was somewhat disgusted and said he would have stopped reading the book right there so some people do have a problem with graphic descriptions of violence in literature.


That was Firestarter
 
2012-07-27 02:21:01 PM  
Because he's a dirty old man?
 
2012-07-27 02:23:40 PM  

Happy Hours: In high school someone showed one our teachers a passage from a Stephen King book (can't remember which one) where the character committed suicide by shoving their arm into a a garbage disposal. The teacher was somewhat disgusted and said he would have stopped reading the book right there so some people do have a problem with graphic descriptions of violence in literature.


Heh. In my high school English class we had to do some public speaking assignments. One guy didn't do his assignment and instead read the trial by combat section of a Storm of Swords out loud and acted out the voices. He he ended it right when Clegane says something to the effect of "Yes I raped your whore of a sister then I smashed her farking face in like this!" And basically crushes the guys skull.

Our teacher thought it was great, asked him about the books and the next day had all of them on his shelf for any student who wanted to read them. He also gave me a bunch of really awesome books. none of them would have been approved of by the school administration had they known about them but that are nonetheless some of my favorite books to this day. So still other people endorse, violence, sex, and sexual violence in literature. The guy was a brilliant English teacher, I always wondered how he screwed up so bad so as to end up teaching grade 12 AP English.
 
2012-07-27 02:28:12 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Because in George R. R. Martin's world, death is lurking around every goddamn corner, so you'd best get your licks in while you can.


I had someone ask me about this a few months back. I suggested that in his world, the arts don't seem to have any place, so entertainment is little and none. The next best things are women and wine. This made sense to him.
 
2012-07-27 02:59:45 PM  

Happy Hours: In high school someone showed one our teachers a passage from a Stephen King book (can't remember which one) where the character committed suicide by shoving their arm into a a garbage disposal. The teacher was somewhat disgusted and said he would have stopped reading the book right there so some people do have a problem with graphic descriptions of violence in literature.


Your teacher is an outlier. This country goes nuts about depictions of sex and barely bats an eye at depictions of violence.
 
2012-07-27 03:25:48 PM  
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2012-07-27 03:27:36 PM  
Drive a six-inch spike into a woman: R
Drive a six-inch penis into a woman: X
Drive a six-inch spike through a board with your penis: Deborah Foreman.

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2012-07-27 03:34:17 PM  
Fortunato has no comment.

/This had better not be obscure.
 
2012-07-27 03:35:59 PM  
FTFA: Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.

Spoken like a man who has never felt the satisfying thunk! as his axe blade carves into his foe's cranium.
 
2012-07-27 03:37:47 PM  

COMALite J: Fortunato has no comment.

/This had better not be obscure.


Kind of a wild card, don't you think?
 
2012-07-27 03:38:43 PM  
He's right that violence is more acceptable than sex in entertainment but he also didn't answer the question.
 
2012-07-27 03:41:34 PM  
What must it be like to be a George R.R. Martin groupie?

Kneeling down to deftly open his trousers, only to have the suspenders spring his pants back closed again. Then, when you finally do get his pants off, you have to struggle, arms trembling with effort, to hold his imposing awning of a gut up and out of the way with one forearm while you try to pleasure him with the other hand

I'll bet he leaves the greek fishing cap on the whole time, too.
 
2012-07-27 03:43:29 PM  
So much? The man is writing about the lives of people - high born and low - about entire countries, over a period of many years. It would simply be wrong to not have a fair amount of sex. We also see them doing mundane things like eating and getting dressed and taking a piss... why the hell would he omit sex?
 
2012-07-27 03:43:59 PM  

airsupport: What must it be like to be a George R.R. Martin groupie?

Kneeling down to deftly open his trousers, only to have the suspenders spring his pants back closed again. Then, when you finally do get his pants off, you have to struggle, arms trembling with effort, to hold his imposing awning of a gut up and out of the way with one forearm while you try to pleasure him with the other hand

I'll bet he leaves the greek fishing cap on the whole time, too.


You seem to have given the matter a lot of thought.
 
2012-07-27 03:45:40 PM  

mat catastrophe: He's right that violence is more acceptable than sex in entertainment but he also didn't answer the question.


People have sex. He writes about people. The question didn't deserve an answer because it was a stupid farking question.
 
2012-07-27 03:45:49 PM  

Wellon Dowd: You seem to have given the matter a lot of thought.


Hasn't everyone?
 
2012-07-27 03:48:16 PM  
George R.R. Martin nursery rhymes:

Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water.
Jack fell down and broke his leg, making him easy prey for vultures and wolves.


//stolen from the web
 
2012-07-27 03:50:28 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Lando Lincoln: Because in George R. R. Martin's world, death is lurking around every goddamn corner, so you'd best get your licks in while you can.

I had someone ask me about this a few months back. I suggested that in his world, the arts don't seem to have any place, so entertainment is little and none. The next best things are women and wine. This made sense to him.


Don't forget finger dancing and dwarf jousting.
 
2012-07-27 03:50:55 PM  
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2012-07-27 03:51:34 PM  

MadSkillz: Ahh, hairy axe wound.


Add a few more with some chopiddy chop chops and make her a party platter.
 
2012-07-27 03:51:35 PM  
I don't think his work has more sex than most others. It's that he doesn't bury the sex in euphemisms. In his world, it's farking not love-making.
 
2012-07-27 03:51:58 PM  

Wellon Dowd: airsupport: What must it be like to be a George R.R. Martin groupie?

Kneeling down to deftly open his trousers, only to have the suspenders spring his pants back closed again. Then, when you finally do get his pants off, you have to struggle, arms trembling with effort, to hold his imposing awning of a gut up and out of the way with one forearm while you try to pleasure him with the other hand

I'll bet he leaves the greek fishing cap on the whole time, too.

You seem to have given the matter a lot of thought.


The wife and I used to get to chat for 20 minutes with him every year he came to Dragon*Con... until this farking show came out. Now, we're going to be lucky to get to stand in line for 3 hours to see him give a standing-room-only panel to hundreds of people.

Dammit, HBO.

Oh yeah, and I've seen his "book" groupies... absolutely disgusting.

The "TV" groupies and cosplayers, however? All I can say is Yowza!
 
2012-07-27 03:59:32 PM  
In the books I didn't find the sex and violence overwhelming.

In the series though they just seem to be stuffing as much boobies and sex as possible, it does go over the top.

The Littlefinger scene with the 2 chicks from season 1 is the best example. Very unnecessary and distracting.
 
2012-07-27 04:02:21 PM  
No shiat sex sells. Whether you are in the act of, or just watching other people do it, it beats just about any other activity.
 
2012-07-27 04:05:00 PM  
I remember doing my American Literature term paper on Stephen King in 1987, and the teacher barely gave me a B, saying if I had done the work properly and used an established literary author, I would have gotten an A, since I did the applicable amount of research.

My tirade back to her involved saying that if anyone can read Faulkner and not see every bit as good a literary work in King's "Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption," they don't know good literature. Half the classic literary masterpieces weren't shiat when they came out, and given enough time, King will take his place in that group.

Meanwhile, the football player who used a copy of Cliffs Notes for his Grapes of Wrath term paper gets a B+. Jesus wept.

/Still kinda bitter
//We all float down here
 
2012-07-27 04:08:13 PM  
All the fat single women at my work are reading 50 shades of grey and acting like it is the second coming of christ. I pointed out that it is a poorly written copy of The Story of O from the 50s and you would have thought they would have burned me at the stake.

I do not need a book to tell me how to fark, because I fark.
 
2012-07-27 04:11:55 PM  
I don't think there was all that much sex in the books. I mean you're talking about 1000s of pages of text, and I can't remember any sex that was more descriptive than a few sentences.

The series has a lot of sex because it's HBO. I know Martin consults for the show and wrote a couple episodes, but I don't think he's the one telling them to put in the extra doing it.
 
2012-07-27 04:12:14 PM  
Because he's a talentless hack and has to shove SOME kind of pandering crap into his books to make a sale. Its either that or get a real job.
 
2012-07-27 04:14:11 PM  

Cymbal: No shiat sex sells. Whether you are in the act of, or just watching other people do it, it beats just about any other activity.


See: 50 Shades of Rapey Rape Rape.
 
2012-07-27 04:14:44 PM  
Ned Stark Its nothing to lose your head over...
 
2012-07-27 04:14:57 PM  

airsupport: What must it be like to be a George R.R. Martin groupie?

Kneeling down to deftly open his trousers, only to have the suspenders spring his pants back closed again. Then, when you finally do get his pants off, you have to struggle, arms trembling with effort, to hold his imposing awning of a gut up and out of the way with one forearm while you try to pleasure him with the other hand

I'll bet he leaves the greek fishing cap on the whole time, too.


Sweet Jesus - this had me nearly crippled with laughter...excellent. STILL LAUGHING...Greek Fishing Cap indeed...
 
2012-07-27 04:15:08 PM  

theflatline: I do not need a book to tell me how to fark, because I fark.


Even experts continually seek to hone their craft, whether through continued practice or through the insights of others.

That being said, there are most definitely better places to learn than 50 Shades of Grey.
 
2012-07-27 04:15:20 PM  

airsupport: What must it be like to be a George R.R. Martin groupie?

Kneeling down to deftly open his trousers, only to have the suspenders spring his pants back closed again. Then, when you finally do get his pants off, you have to struggle, arms trembling with effort, to hold his imposing awning of a gut up and out of the way with one forearm while you try to pleasure him with the other hand

I'll bet he leaves the greek fishing cap on the whole time, too.


You forgot to add a 5 page description of the serving of cracking honey boar that he's eating at the time; washed down with mulled wine as the grease drips on top of your head.
 
2012-07-27 04:15:51 PM  

Nadie_AZ: Cymbal: No shiat sex sells. Whether you are in the act of, or just watching other people do it, it beats just about any other activity.

See: 50 Shades of Rapey Rape Rape.


You said "rape" thrice.
 
2012-07-27 04:17:03 PM  
"I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off," he said.

While that's entirely true, Mr. G. Rape-Rape Martin, no one ever suggests that the guy with an axe in his skull was asking for it by dressing that way, that he should lie back and just think of Winterfell, or that he really, secretly, enjoyed it.
 
2012-07-27 04:17:15 PM  
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2012-07-27 04:17:47 PM  

JRaynor: George R.R. Martin nursery rhymes:

Jack and Jill went up the hill to fetch a pail of water.
Jack fell down and broke his leg, making him easy prey for vultures and wolves.

//stolen from the web


Ypou forgot to mention where Jill was married to a lord at age 13 due to her brother's death
because her house needed the money.
 
2012-07-27 04:20:36 PM  

Theaetetus: Mr. G. Rape-Rape Martin, no one ever suggests that the guy with an axe in his skull was asking for it by dressing that way, that he should lie back and just think of Winterfell, or that he really, secretly, enjoyed it.


Did you force yourself to read all 5000 or so pages of hot, sweaty feminine oppression?
 
2012-07-27 04:20:47 PM  
The problem isn't the overly long

JohnBigBootay: So much? The man is writing about the lives of people - high born and low - about entire countries, over a period of many years. It would simply be wrong to not have a fair amount of sex. We also see them doing mundane things like eating and getting dressed and taking a piss... why the hell would he omit sex?


The amount of time he spends describing sex is minute compared to the amount of time he spends describing food.
 
2012-07-27 04:21:06 PM  

Ned Stark: Because he's a talentless hack and has to shove SOME kind of pandering crap into his books to make a sale. Its either that or get a real job.


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2012-07-27 04:22:09 PM  
well...we ARE kind of a f*cked up society. violent entertainment is perfectly acceptable while even the hint of sex is somehow forbidden and wrong.
 
2012-07-27 04:22:23 PM  

shortymac: In the books I didn't find the sex and violence overwhelming.

In the series though they just seem to be stuffing as much boobies and sex as possible, it does go over the top.

The Littlefinger scene with the 2 chicks from season 1 is the best example. Very unnecessary and distracting.


The recap of the Game of Thrones panel where he was a moderator is entertaining: Link

Martin seems to be almost exactly like the 13 year old producer from the SNL sketch.
 
2012-07-27 04:22:30 PM  

Ned Stark: Because he's a talentless hack and has to shove SOME kind of pandering crap into his books to make a sale. Its either that or get a real job.


Nope. When he wrote A Game Of Thrones, he was very anti-Hollywood, as so many of his prior novels and scripts were unsold. The books are chock full of stuff that wouldn't sell to Hollywood. Guess he did a George Costanza and did the opposite thing and turned out successful.

That being said, trying to read A Game of Thrones was like dragging my eyes through glass. One- I bought an ebook version with links to an appendix (character genealogies mostly) but you could not disable the links meaning most names were underlined, and Two - it read like Tom Clancy's Lord of the Rings.
 
2012-07-27 04:22:54 PM  

Ned Stark: Because he's a talentless hack and has to shove SOME kind of pandering crap into his books to make a sale. Its either that or get a real job.


I hear winter is coming.
 
2012-07-27 04:23:35 PM  
I agree. Why should sex scenes be described in any less detail that anything else?
 
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