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(Boston.com)   Would you pay $1,600 per month for a 450 square foot apartment equipped with urban planning buzzwords?   (boston.com) divider line 76
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2012-07-27 11:02:07 AM
I wouldn't pay $1600 a month to live anywhere in Boston.

But just a few years ago, I did pay $600 for 300 sq. ft. in Denver's most densely populated 'hood. Two rooms, futon doubled as couch. Still had room to entertain up to five people. It was part of a charming 100 year-old mansion. Wood floors, marble bathroom, granite counters, new appliances. Took about 20 minutes to clean the whole place. Three supermarkets within half a mile, uncountable bars and local businesses, young hotties everywhere. Award-winning bus system took me anywhere in town easily. Sold my car and lost 30 lbs. in seven weeks, despite bacon and beer every day.

Young urbanites commonly live communally; they're used to not having lots of space. I can see this working but not at such outrageous prices.
 
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2012-07-27 11:05:00 AM
Not unless I lived somewhere with a housing market where that was a good deal.
 
2012-07-27 11:22:18 AM
Yes, I would pay $1,200 a month to live in a newly tricked out tiny apartment. I
 
2012-07-27 12:02:03 PM
You're paying for location as well as a place to sleep. They're encouraging this kind of development for NYC as well. They're good, cheap (relatively) apartments for people just starting out in the city.
 
2012-07-27 12:17:20 PM

James!: You're paying for location as well as a place to sleep.


Which is stupid because this location is a pain in the ass to get to anywhere else. It's a very cute neighborhood itself, but it's not near the T and there's no parking.

$1600 will get you a hell of a lot more almost anywhere on the red line.

Hell, $1600 will get you more in Beacon Hill.
 
2012-07-27 12:24:13 PM
As somebody who just signed a lease for a 1600 sq ft apartment for $450/month, I'm getting a kick out of these replies

/Okay, not quite
//But not that far off
 
2012-07-27 12:24:27 PM

what_now: James!: You're paying for location as well as a place to sleep.

Which is stupid because this location is a pain in the ass to get to anywhere else. It's a very cute neighborhood itself, but it's not near the T and there's no parking.

$1600 will get you a hell of a lot more almost anywhere on the red line.

Hell, $1600 will get you more in Beacon Hill.


Sure you could live on the Red line if you want to get mugged and Hep C at the same time.

(I have no idea what I'm talking about)
 
2012-07-27 01:01:09 PM

James!: (I have no idea what I'm talking about)


Clearly. I mean, Davis Square is actually a *nice* area, it's not a terrible wasteland like Brooklyn.
 
2012-07-27 01:38:05 PM

what_now: James!: (I have no idea what I'm talking about)

Clearly. I mean, Davis Square is actually a *nice* area, it's not a terrible wasteland like Brooklyn.


Now I have been to Davis Square. A homeless woman offered to give me a blow job in exchange for a "Half-rat" which is apparently what they eat there. I told her I didn't carry rats with me and she spat at my feet before sexually assaulting the corpse of a police officer.

It was actually one of the better parts of Boston.
 
2012-07-27 02:03:54 PM
So the Hobokenization of Boston has begun.
 
2012-07-27 02:09:06 PM
I wouldn't give them a fermenting bag of pig vomit as payment to reward the pretentious asshole architect with living in his shiat stain upon the housing market.

I hate the urban architect.
 
2012-07-27 02:10:18 PM
I once had a 2,900 sq ft. loft that cost $1100 a month.

Of course, my car was broken into several times, there were three people that were killed in front of the building (on separate occasions), and a few of my neighbors OD'd, but I had a kickass time living there. I was never afraid of being robbed because I had nothing to steal. I didn't even own a computer.
 
2012-07-27 02:13:32 PM
Luxury.
 
2012-07-27 02:14:33 PM
Karen Stein of GOODGOD...
 
2012-07-27 02:27:33 PM
I pay more than that for ~600 sqft. in downtown Portland. So yeah, I probably would.
 
2012-07-27 02:27:38 PM
There was a similar article on the Fark front page a couple/few weeks ago about Bloomberg wanting to build 275 sqft apartments in Manhattan. The feel-good phrase "affordable housing" keeps getting thrown around in these discussions, but it seems to have taken on a new meaning. The target group is now single, middle class folks, and the goal is to convince them that spending $1800 on a 275 sqft apartment makes sense if they can afford it.
 
2012-07-27 02:28:13 PM
Someone tried to build two towers of this sort of crap on 288 in Houston. They built it years ago and they're still trying to lease 800 sq ft apartments for 1600/month.
 
2012-07-27 02:28:52 PM

Smeggy Smurf: I wouldn't give them a fermenting bag of pig vomit as payment to reward the pretentious asshole architect with living in his shiat stain upon the housing market.

I hate the urban architect.


Dude, you live under a cheesy mushroom cap.
 
2012-07-27 02:42:57 PM
Currently as a student I wouldn't. However, if I had a job that paid well enough where I had a choice between a larger place in the burbs or a smaller place downtown, I would seriously consider the latter. I've never been to Boston or know the neighborhoods so it's hard to say really.

Sometimes you have to do a little more digging to find the sweet spot in the market. I live in Lexington, KY and pay $395 for ~230 sqft in a place that is less than a block from a grocery store, across the street from an Olmsted designed park, and ~1 mile of bike lanes from both campus and downtown. Space isn't really a big deal because there are plenty of amenities around me to keep me out of my residence and I'm single, but by finding a neighborhood near, but outside of downtown I probably cut my rent in half and still have pretty convenient access to everything I like. As with any case of real estate, YMMV.
 
2012-07-27 02:59:23 PM
I paid more for less when I was in Venice, CA.

/well, actually my company paid it
 
2012-07-27 03:01:36 PM
i am so glad i dont live in a shiat hole like that. thank you christ allah buddah zeus and osiris. ima go grill up some brautwurst on my backyard porch and then run around and excercise on my lawn with trees and a garden and grass while enjoying the sun unobscured by a veil of inner city coastal smog.
 
2012-07-27 03:03:12 PM

brap: Smeggy Smurf: I wouldn't give them a fermenting bag of pig vomit as payment to reward the pretentious asshole architect with living in his shiat stain upon the housing market.

I hate the urban architect.

Dude, you live under a cheesy mushroom cap.


Designed by a French dude who was on drugs. It beats being a dumbass urban architect with more artsy fartsy skills than actual talent.
 
2012-07-27 03:07:16 PM
My mortgage is $1575 per month. 3000 sq ft house, half acre of land. Oh and 2 golf courses within 1/2 mile.

Neener neener.

/I don't golf
//you folks back east live in sardine cans
///rack'em and stack'em
 
2012-07-27 03:13:09 PM

Spare Me: My mortgage is $1575 per month. 3000 sq ft house, half acre of land. Oh and 2 golf courses within 1/2 mile.

Neener neener.

/I don't golf
//you folks back east live in sardine cans
///rack'em and stack'em


I live a 26 minute train ride from downtown Philadelphia in a 3100 sq ft house which cost $190,000.

It helps that the topography of the neighborhood basically rules out density.
 
2012-07-27 03:13:31 PM

GF named my left testicle thundercles: i am so glad i dont live in a shiat hole like that. thank you christ allah buddah zeus and osiris. ima go grill up some brautwurst on my backyard porch and then run around and excercise on my lawn with trees and a garden and grass while enjoying the sun unobscured by a veil of inner city coastal smog.


I can do all that and I'm about two miles from the place they describe.
 
2012-07-27 03:18:35 PM
450 sq ft? I'd need that just for alcohol and music storage.
 
2012-07-27 03:19:49 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I wouldn't pay $1600 a month to live anywhere in Boston.

But just a few years ago, I did pay $600 for 300 sq. ft. in Denver's most densely populated 'hood. Two rooms, futon doubled as couch. Still had room to entertain up to five people. It was part of a charming 100 year-old mansion. Wood floors, marble bathroom, granite counters, new appliances. Took about 20 minutes to clean the whole place. Three supermarkets within half a mile, uncountable bars and local businesses, young hotties everywhere. Award-winning bus system took me anywhere in town easily. Sold my car and lost 30 lbs. in seven weeks, despite bacon and beer every day.

Young urbanites commonly live communally; they're used to not having lots of space. I can see this working but not at such outrageous prices.


Ah, yuppies, how cool they think they are
 
2012-07-27 03:28:45 PM
Sooo...we are progressing towards the Fifth Element then.

/waiting on my ZF1
 
2012-07-27 03:35:13 PM
I dont need a lot of room to live in but I wouldnt pay $1600 a month to live in that small of a space. Hell right now the mortgage on my palce is $705 a month for 1200 sqf
 
2012-07-27 03:35:31 PM
People do.

//Los Angeles
 
2012-07-27 04:00:14 PM

Satanic_Hamster: 450 sq ft? I'd need that just for alcohol and music storage.


Music storage? How big is your hard drive?
 
2012-07-27 04:06:16 PM

onzmadi: Sooo...we are progressing towards the Fifth Element then.


Even meat popsicles need a place to live.
 
2012-07-27 04:13:37 PM

YixilTesiphon: Someone tried to build two towers of this sort of crap on 288 in Houston. They built it years ago and they're still trying to lease 800 sq ft apartments for 1600/month.


Houston is a shiat hole. Boston has some really nice.. though expensive.. areas
 
2012-07-27 04:13:50 PM
cache.boston.com

www.abc.net.au
I love it!
 
2012-07-27 04:14:43 PM
FTA: "With units as small as 450 square feet, the apartments fit Mayor Thomas M. Menino's call for more affordable housing"

Damn. $1,600/mo could get me a mortgage on 4,800 square feet and 3/4 of an acre. Not that we'd ever need that much, but sometimes flyover country has its advantages.
 
2012-07-27 04:21:57 PM
pshaw
Link
 
2012-07-27 04:22:52 PM
Yes.

Mostly because that would be both bigger and cheaper than I can get now.
 
2012-07-27 04:30:05 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Satanic_Hamster: 450 sq ft? I'd need that just for alcohol and music storage.

Music storage? How big is your hard drive?


HUGE. The only box large enough to fit it is your mom's.
 
2012-07-27 04:31:18 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I wouldn't pay $1600 a month to live anywhere in Boston.

But just a few years ago, I did pay $600 for 300 sq. ft. in Denver's most densely populated 'hood. Two rooms, futon doubled as couch. Still had room to entertain up to five people. It was part of a charming 100 year-old mansion. Wood floors, marble bathroom, granite counters, new appliances. Took about 20 minutes to clean the whole place. Three supermarkets within half a mile, uncountable bars and local businesses, young hotties everywhere. Award-winning bus system took me anywhere in town easily. Sold my car and lost 30 lbs. in seven weeks, despite bacon and beer every day.

Young urbanites commonly live communally; they're used to not having lots of space. I can see this working but not at such outrageous prices.



Sounds like you were living in Capitol Hill, which would have been my second choice. I grew up in Aurora and often drooled over those mansions and highrises, but couldn't beat the opportunity to live in a renovated mercantile building.

I miss living in my tiny loft apartment in Denver ... I paid $450/mo to live above the Tattered Cover/Dixon's in LoDo. the rent was HUD subsidized, so renters paid either 50 percent, 75 percent or 100 percent of the market value. I qualified for the 50 percent rent and quickly realized what a gem I rented. My neighbors were cool artist types and kept our building looking sharp. It was a brand new unit with exposed wood beams overlooking the 16th St Mall. I walked to my job at Westword when their offices were still across from Wynkoop Brewery.

Now I pay $1,100 for a 450sf studio on the 24th floor of a high rise in the heart of O'ahu. It's nowhere near as charming as my loft in Denver, but has killer views of the ocean and the city. I always wanted to live on an ultra high floor of a high rise building and love the community of folks around me.

/I don't miss Denver's snow at all, though!!
 
2012-07-27 04:32:39 PM
Wow, it's amazing how much roomier it is when the furniture is all 2D.

/this is why I hate designers
 
2012-07-27 04:34:10 PM
I know people who do this in Toronto however you are right in the downtown core. I could see it if you're a young financial type whose working late and making big bucks so all you want is a short walk home to rest.

However, a 20 min subway ride north and you can rent a 3 bedroom apartment for 1300 or rent a 3bedroom house for 1650 plus utilities like me.

The only downside to a house is that it takes forever to clean :(
 
2012-07-27 05:09:48 PM
My choice of living situation is better than yours!

Dumbasses!
 
2012-07-27 05:28:53 PM
The decor is just what I would have liked when I was 14.
 
2012-07-27 05:32:45 PM
my last apartment was a one bedroom apartment....totaling 250 square feet.

so, naturally, i am getting a kick out of this thread.

/would do it again
 
2012-07-27 05:33:38 PM

Satanic_Hamster: BarkingUnicorn: Satanic_Hamster: 450 sq ft? I'd need that just for alcohol and music storage.

Music storage? How big is your hard drive?

HUGE. The only box large enough to fit it is your mom's.


I totally saw that coming

/shudder
//some things you can't unsee
 
2012-07-27 05:46:19 PM
An IKEA on the 2nd floor would make a killing.
 
2012-07-27 06:57:44 PM
Considering I pay $2730/mo for 830sqft, a patio, and two garage spaces a half block away from the T, I can't exactly be surprised. Location matters.

In other news, anyone want to buy a 2010 Mini Cooper S? I basically don't drive it any more, and want to release a garage space. :/
 
2012-07-27 07:07:49 PM
I used to rent a duplex in So Cal that was just big enough for one single guy. It was 500sf or so, maybe a bit bigger. Years later there was some news story about a woman with three kids taking in three of her friend's kids after the friend died. She was living in my old place. They must have been stacked in like cordwood. Of course, it was So Cal, so times when you wouldn't be able to kick the kids outside to play were rare.

How long before people start trying to cram families into these "single" units?
 
2012-07-27 07:32:04 PM

Chevello: I used to rent a duplex in So Cal that was just big enough for one single guy. It was 500sf or so, maybe a bit bigger. Years later there was some news story about a woman with three kids taking in three of her friend's kids after the friend died. She was living in my old place. They must have been stacked in like cordwood. Of course, it was So Cal, so times when you wouldn't be able to kick the kids outside to play were rare.

How long before people start trying to cram families into these "single" units?


Maybe you haven't been to SoCal lately.
 
2012-07-27 07:40:13 PM

ApatheticMonkey:
I love it!


OK I actually got that reference. I'm old.

Also, I'll keep my 1650 sq ft house + garage + enclosed rear patio for $950 / mo out in the country with no traffic jams EVAR, thank you.

Don't mind people living densely as long as they don't try to force it on the rest of us. Some of us, you know, make things with their hands and have hobbies, and have shops with tools, and travel trailers and other enjoyable recreational vehicles. Not everyone wants a smart car (or no car) and live in a tiny box where all you have room for is to interact with a computer and a television.

Living in big cities is awesome for A. food B. architecture and C. peoplewatching. Me, I just visit once in a while and then go home.
 
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