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2012-07-27 10:37:29 AM
Of course he did. Pretentious douchebag.
 
2012-07-27 11:07:09 AM
The government trashing a business because of the owners beliefs...How cliché.

i.telegraph.co.uk

/yeah, I went there
 
2012-07-27 11:07:31 AM
Good.

As big of douchebags the Chick-Fil-A management are, you can't kick them out simply for a religious belief.

/hoping actual prosecutable evidence comes out
 
2012-07-27 11:07:36 AM
Well duh. I think anyone with an IQ above room temperature knew that.

It was just pandering is all. Just like what's happening in Chicago.
 
2012-07-27 11:08:19 AM
Is this guy up for reelection? Seems like a strange move to make unless you want to gather some grass-roots support for something.
 
2012-07-27 11:08:45 AM
If only Chik-fil-A was racist as well as homophobic then they'd be welcomed with open arms in Chicago!
 
2012-07-27 11:09:08 AM
And he didn't double down. He said he made a mistake. Weird.
 
2012-07-27 11:09:45 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: The government trashing a business because of the owners beliefs...How cliché.



/yeah, I went there


Yes they are truly oppressed.
 
2012-07-27 11:09:48 AM
Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government. Towns and cities have the right to decide which businesses get permits and which don't. Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all. The people of Boston. And therefor the city have the right to decide who gets to do business
 
2012-07-27 11:10:11 AM

sprawl15: Good.

As big of douchebags the Chick-Fil-A management are, you can't kick them out simply for a religious belief.

/hoping actual prosecutable evidence comes out


I've only been following the Chick-Fil-A story loosely -- are there actual employment practices that are discriminatory or harmful, or is the CEO just anti-gay?
 
2012-07-27 11:10:26 AM
Good on you, Menino. Chick-Fil-A, you are still encouraged to EABOD
 
2012-07-27 11:11:17 AM

Warlordtrooper: Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government. Towns and cities have the right to decide which businesses get permits and which don't. Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all. The people of Boston. And therefor the city have the right to decide who gets to do business


you sound like a neo-confederate
 
2012-07-27 11:11:45 AM

Warlordtrooper: Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government.


All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Warlordtrooper: Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all.


Strip clubs aren't defined as a protected class. That's why you can make a law that says you can't build a strip club within X feet of a church but can't make a law that says you can't build a church within X feet of a strip club.
 
2012-07-27 11:11:48 AM
"When I heard of the vicious hate speech and economic bullying being directed toward the (CEO Dan) Cathy family and their Chick-fil-A company, it was stunning. In the name of 'tolerance' a group was exercising extreme intolerance and trying to censor a citizen by threatening their business," Huckabee told the Herald last night.

fark yourself forever, Huckabee, you farking disgusting piece of shiat.
 
2012-07-27 11:12:02 AM
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2012-07-27 11:12:11 AM
New rule: no Chick Fil-A within 200 feet of a Church or strip club.
 
2012-07-27 11:12:12 AM
Huckabee, how were you able to use the term "hate speech" without bursting into flames?
 
2012-07-27 11:12:39 AM

Wendolyn the Wired: And he didn't double down. He said he made a mistake. Weird.


I imagine the city attorney pulled him aside and told him this wasn't going to fly.
 
2012-07-27 11:14:12 AM

Arkanaut: I've only been following the Chick-Fil-A story loosely -- are there actual employment practices that are discriminatory or harmful, or is the CEO just anti-gay?


The latter. There's been some grumbling of the former, but nothing that's been big/firm enough to actually nail (she said) Chick-Fil-A on anything.
 
2012-07-27 11:15:12 AM

Arkanaut: sprawl15: Good.

As big of douchebags the Chick-Fil-A management are, you can't kick them out simply for a religious belief.

/hoping actual prosecutable evidence comes out

I've only been following the Chick-Fil-A story loosely -- are there actual employment practices that are discriminatory or harmful, or is the CEO just anti-gay?


I think they make the waffle fries out of homosexuals.
 
2012-07-27 11:15:15 AM
Glad to see Menino backing down. Like any other business, Chick-fil-a should be able to open a new store as long as they are in full compliance with the law. That said, I hope Boston will investigate all claims of discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity and give them the ban hammer if conclusive evidence comes forward that they are breaking the law.

/on that note, DIAF, Dan Cathy
 
2012-07-27 11:15:43 AM
This is also in no way different then how red states use zoning and permits to block or shutdown planned parenthood
 
2012-07-27 11:15:45 AM

Warlordtrooper: Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government. Towns and cities have the right to decide which businesses get permits and which don't. Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all. The people of Boston. And therefor the city have the right to decide who gets to do business


Um they can zone the strip club but they can't create zoning so that one cannot be allowed in the city.
 
2012-07-27 11:15:48 AM

sprawl15: Arkanaut: I've only been following the Chick-Fil-A story loosely -- are there actual employment practices that are discriminatory or harmful, or is the CEO just anti-gay?

The latter. There's been some grumbling of the former, but nothing that's been big/firm enough to actually nail (she said) Chick-Fil-A on anything.


Not to mention that Chick-Fil-A already has locations in MA without running afowl of MA law
 
2012-07-27 11:15:53 AM
Oh look, one of my wack-job relatives just liked CFA on Facebook!

I must not not troll. Troll is the mind-killer. Troll is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my troll. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when my troll is gone I will turn my inner eye to see it's path. When the troll is gone there will be nothing, only I will remain.
 
2012-07-27 11:16:10 AM

cabbyman: If only Chik-fil-A was racist as well as homophobic then they'd be welcomed with open arms in Chicago!


How so?
 
2012-07-27 11:16:28 AM

skullkrusher: Good on you, Menino. Chick-Fil-A, you are still encouraged to EABOD


i716.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-27 11:16:33 AM
Did Menino even actually threaten to block Chick-fil-a, or did he just write that letter saying "I strongly urge you not to come to boston"? Since this is the Herald, I have my suspicions.
 
2012-07-27 11:16:39 AM

Warlordtrooper: This is also in no way different then how red states use zoning and permits to block or shutdown planned parenthood


yeah, it is
 
2012-07-27 11:16:56 AM
Some conservative rich white dude is anti-gay marriage. Why is this news, again?
 
2012-07-27 11:17:13 AM

Warlordtrooper: Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government. Towns and cities have the right to decide which businesses get permits and which don't. Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all. The people of Boston. And therefor the city have the right to decide who gets to do business


Yeah, no. You're wrong and stupid to have written that.

A city/state whatever can ban entire TYPES of businesses, within reason. But they can't just ban a single business because the owner is a d-bag.
 
2012-07-27 11:17:15 AM

sprawl15: Arkanaut: I've only been following the Chick-Fil-A story loosely -- are there actual employment practices that are discriminatory or harmful, or is the CEO just anti-gay?

The latter. There's been some grumbling of the former, but nothing that's been big/firm enough to actually nail (she said) Chick-Fil-A on anything.


If during an interview someone dropped a line about being an atheist they would be hired. I have 3 Chik Fil A's in my town including one in the building over from my office (I work on a college campus) and I've never even seen a person of color at any location.
 
2012-07-27 11:17:21 AM

sprawl15: Strip clubs aren't defined as a protected class. That's why you can make a law that says you can't build a strip club within X feet of a church but can't make a law that says you can't build a church within X feet of a strip club.


What if I wanted to build a church that had strippers?
 
2012-07-27 11:17:54 AM

Jackson Herring: Did Menino even actually threaten to block Chick-fil-a, or did he just write that letter saying "I strongly urge you not to come to boston"? Since this is the Herald, I have my suspicions.


he did a wink wink nod about how difficult CFA will find it to get a business permit in Boston
 
2012-07-27 11:17:55 AM

skullkrusher: Warlordtrooper: Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government. Towns and cities have the right to decide which businesses get permits and which don't. Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all. The people of Boston. And therefor the city have the right to decide who gets to do business

you sound like a neo-confederate


Isn't it weird that the people raising the biggest ruckus about trying to prevent them from opening new stores because of an affront to moral values are the people most well-known for making it impossible for businesses like strip clubs and sex shops to open because of an affront to moral values?
 
2012-07-27 11:17:57 AM

Warlordtrooper: This is also in no way different then how red states use zoning and permits to block or shutdown planned parenthood


Their $8 billion abortionplex was way out of line, and they wouldn't have contributed at all to improving the infrastructure to let it be built. Without funding for highways or mass transit, the amount of people flooding into Topeka would overwhelm the city and the sheer volume of biomass exported via train would have shut down shipping operations.
 
2012-07-27 11:18:12 AM

Warlordtrooper: Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government. Towns and cities have the right to decide which businesses get permits and which don't. Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all. The people of Boston. And therefor the city have the right to decide who gets to do business


Nope.

Normally it's the tea people who get a hard on for unlimited local / state government powers to ignore the Bill of Rights. But it's not 1850 any more, and local politicians do not have arbitrary power to grant and deny business permits or any other kind of permits. And this is a very good thing for everybody.
 
2012-07-27 11:18:14 AM

Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: If only Chik-fil-A was racist as well as homophobic then they'd be welcomed with open arms in Chicago!

How so?


Just like FarraKHAN!
 
2012-07-27 11:19:00 AM

The Bestest: sprawl15: Strip clubs aren't defined as a protected class. That's why you can make a law that says you can't build a strip club within X feet of a church but can't make a law that says you can't build a church within X feet of a strip club.

What if I wanted to build a church that had strippers?


Depends. Nuns or priests?
 
2012-07-27 11:19:15 AM

The Bestest: sprawl15: Strip clubs aren't defined as a protected class. That's why you can make a law that says you can't build a strip club within X feet of a church but can't make a law that says you can't build a church within X feet of a strip club.

What if I wanted to build a church that had strippers?


it's been done. Unfortunately, GIS turns up nothing for "Fosterite Church of the New Revelation"... which makes sense i suppose
 
2012-07-27 11:19:41 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Warlordtrooper: Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government. Towns and cities have the right to decide which businesses get permits and which don't. Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all. The people of Boston. And therefor the city have the right to decide who gets to do business

Yeah, no. You're wrong and stupid to have written that.

A city/state whatever can ban entire TYPES of businesses, within reason. But they can't just ban a single business because the owner is a d-bag.


So they should just ban fried chicken places with red roofs. That or waffle fries
 
2012-07-27 11:20:04 AM

voltOhm: Of course he did. Pretentious douchebag.


You are.
 
2012-07-27 11:20:10 AM
jayhawk88: Huckabee, how were you able to use the term "hate speech" without bursting into flames?

HAH! You fool! No one can defeat Huckabee-bot like that! He has hypocrisy absorbing crumple zones!

Arkanaut: I've only been following the Chick-Fil-A story loosely -- are there actual employment practices that are discriminatory or harmful, or is the CEO just anti-gay?

No, he's publicly anti-gay, and he uses his company's proceeds to donate to political interest groups which promote legislation and discrimination against those that are. That's the issue here.

Of course, he has the right to say and believe what he wants, and Boston's actions were rather anti-American, but that doesn't give their company a blanket right to say whatever stupidity they want.
 
2012-07-27 11:21:01 AM
Yea, that was a dumb thing to threaten. Calling them ass hats was first class however. Using your office to punish them? Not so much.
 
2012-07-27 11:21:08 AM
Who did Chik Fil A harm?
 
2012-07-27 11:21:32 AM

cabbyman: Mrtraveler01: cabbyman: If only Chik-fil-A was racist as well as homophobic then they'd be welcomed with open arms in Chicago!

How so?

Just like FarraKHAN!


He runs a chicken restaurant?

I mean just because he's black...
 
2012-07-27 11:21:34 AM

Serious Black: skullkrusher: Warlordtrooper: Yes it is. It would only be unconstitutional if this was the federal government. Towns and cities have the right to decide which businesses get permits and which don't. Kind of like you'll never get a permit to build s strip club near a school they can give or deny permits for any reason or no reason at all. The people of Boston. And therefor the city have the right to decide who gets to do business

you sound like a neo-confederate

Isn't it weird that the people raising the biggest ruckus about trying to prevent them from opening new stores because of an affront to moral values are the people most well-known for making it impossible for businesses like strip clubs and sex shops to open because of an affront to moral values?


I don't raise a ruckus about strip clubs and I think it's absolute bullshiat what Menino said.

That said, the nature of the business is quite different than blocking the business because of the opinions of the owner.
If Menino wanted to block CFA from opening on the Freedom Trail because he didn't think a fast food restaurant would be right for the theme they were going for in the area or something it would be quite different
 
2012-07-27 11:22:55 AM

R.A.Danny: Who did Chik Fil A harm?


Homosexuals, by funding groups that want to deny them equal rights.
 
2012-07-27 11:23:06 AM
Well, of course, he's very limited as to what he can do regarding that...

The real question for me is, why would any Bostonian eat the steroid-fed, overpriced garbage produced by a company that funds hate groups when there are already any number of superior culinary options in the Faneuil Hall area.

I suppose there may be enough doughy, bigoted tourists from Fly-over Country to support a crap chain like that, though... ; )
 
2012-07-27 11:23:07 AM
Menino isn't pandering for votes. I'm pretty sure he's not going to run for another term as Boston's mayor. He's already the longest-serving mayor in the city's history, and he's getting old. I saw him at an event a couple months ago, and the man just looks done.

He said this and did this because that's what he believes. He backed down because he's not an idiot. He knows the damage is already done. After how much coverage his letter got, I can't see many of us gay-rights-supporting Bostonians visiting one of these restaurants in the city. I'd give even odds that Chik-Fil-A quietly shelves any plans to open a location within the MBTA service area.
 
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