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(CNN)   Hey New Hampshire, I know you are a state that prides itself in Libertarianism, but not performing background checks on those who have access to dangerous drugs and needles and live viruses is pretty damn dumb   (cnn.com) divider line 52
    More: Fail, hepatitis C, New Hampshire, background checks, Veterans Health Administration, liver damage, syringes, positive result, witness tampering  
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2012-07-27 10:35:45 AM  
Subby, why so much hate for FREEDOM!!??
 
2012-07-27 10:36:50 AM  
Impossible! Ron Paul told me the market would regulate itsself! This couldn't have happened!
 
2012-07-27 10:37:54 AM  
See, it's shiat like this that makes me paranoid when for example an insurance company sends out some random nurse to do bloodwork when you're applying for a new policy.
 
2012-07-27 10:38:29 AM  
He was redistributing the wealth...just for Hep C not money!
 
2012-07-27 10:41:33 AM  
If the free market decided that those people should get hep a, then they deserved it.
 
2012-07-27 10:43:10 AM  
*facepalm*

C'mon, NH.
 
2012-07-27 10:43:47 AM  
Uh, how would knowing the guy did coke and smoked pot help ward off this incident, exactly?
 
2012-07-27 10:43:57 AM  
Didn't they just find a cure for Hep C? So no big deal.
 
2012-07-27 10:44:02 AM  

what_now: *facepalm*

C'mon, NH.


Live free or die? Mostly die.
 
2012-07-27 10:44:14 AM  
Fortunately, bootstraps have been shown to help prevent the spread of HIV.
 
2012-07-27 10:46:49 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Uh, how would knowing the guy did coke and smoked pot help ward off this incident, exactly?


Federal drug laws #1. Plus drug addicts can never be trusted around certain drugs. This man use pain meds meant for patients and accidentally infected the patients with Hep C by reusing the needles that he himself used. If they had done the background check they would have never hired him
 
2012-07-27 10:47:18 AM  
Hey New Hampshire, I know you are a state that prides itself in Libertarianism, but not performing background checks on those who have access to dangerous drugs and needles and live viruses is pretty damn dumb

Dear subby,

Everyone has access to dangerous drugs, needles and live viruses. Therefore, I recommend you never leave your home.

Hugs and kisses,
~Lenny
 
2012-07-27 10:52:16 AM  
Don't diss the "Hamp. I'm moving there in the spring and joining the Free State! Might even run for office once I have the farm up and runnning...
 
2012-07-27 10:53:16 AM  
So.. subby wants people who are viral carriers to get a background check to see if they'll be responsible with their own blood? Makes perfect sense.
 
2012-07-27 10:56:42 AM  
FTFA:
-- Maryland General Hospital, Baltimore, January 2010 to March 2010;

-- Temple University Hospital, Philadelphia, April 2010;

-- Hays Medical Center, Hays, Kansas, May 2010 to September 2010;

-- Houston Medical Center, Warner Robins, Georgia, October 2010 to March 2011.

I don't think New Hampshire's libertarianism is to blame for this guy being employed in these cities, after his arrest for cocaine.
 
2012-07-27 10:57:20 AM  
When enough people die, the customers will stop using the hospital.

Free market solves the problem, again!
 
2012-07-27 10:57:45 AM  
I've been trying to get a coding job for nearly a year now, and this drug-addled jackass has been hired and fired at least six times.
 
2012-07-27 10:58:22 AM  
PonceAlyosha: Uh, how would knowing the guy did coke and smoked pot help ward off this incident, exactly?

Um, are you naive, or do you honestly think someone with substance abuse problems should be allowed, unsupervised, around narcotics?

Because if it's the later, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you. Dirt cheap, too. Just Western Union me the money.
 
2012-07-27 11:01:23 AM  
Ahhh, New Hampshire. Our answer to Kentucky.

But actually, New Hampshire is one of the best places in New England to get farm raised, no antibiotics or artificial feed meats. The farmer I deal with is flat out convinced that antibiotics and processed feed contain mind control drugs and hormones so that when you eat the meat, you begin to grow small tumors in your brain that the government can then use to track your every thought.

I wish I were joking. Straight up nutbag he may be, but the steaks and pork loin from this guys animals is some of the best I've ever had.
 
2012-07-27 11:01:34 AM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-27 11:02:03 AM  
When viruses, needles, and blood are outlawed, only outlaws will have viruses, needles, and blood.
 
2012-07-27 11:02:10 AM  

NutWrench: I've been trying to get a coding job for nearly a year now, and this drug-addled jackass has been hired and fired at least six times.


Maybe you should contact him for resume and interviewing tips.
 
2012-07-27 11:03:34 AM  
Approves.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-27 11:04:03 AM  

BronyMedic: Impossible! Ron Paul told me the market would regulate itsself! This couldn't have happened!


If people don't WANT Hep C. infected workers they can privately pay for the additional screening or only patronize those hospitals that have those safeguards in place. The rest of us can decide to take that risk in return for lower-cost healthcare. The market decides and everybody wins
 
2012-07-27 11:07:56 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Uh, how would knowing the guy did coke and smoked pot help ward off this incident, exactly?


0/10
 
2012-07-27 11:10:02 AM  
Magorn: If people don't WANT Hep C. infected workers they can privately pay for the additional screening or only patronize those hospitals that have those safeguards in place. The rest of us can decide to take that risk in return for lower-cost healthcare. The market decides and everybody wins

You know, I've always wondered how libertarians reconcile their consciences and ethical beliefs with this line of thought. Apparently "do what you want as long as you don't harm someone else" only extends to what you can pay a premium for. Clearly, the poor bought their ticket, so they knew what they were getting into.

To me, it reeks of self-serving hypocrisy.
 
2012-07-27 11:10:23 AM  

mikaloyd: PonceAlyosha: Uh, how would knowing the guy did coke and smoked pot help ward off this incident, exactly?

0/10


The worst part is that I wasn't trolling, I'm just stupid.
 
2012-07-27 11:15:27 AM  

BronyMedic: Magorn: If people don't WANT Hep C. infected workers they can privately pay for the additional screening or only patronize those hospitals that have those safeguards in place. The rest of us can decide to take that risk in return for lower-cost healthcare. The market decides and everybody wins

You know, I've always wondered how libertarians reconcile their consciences and ethical beliefs with this line of thought. Apparently "do what you want as long as you don't harm someone else" only extends to what you can pay a premium for. Clearly, the poor bought their ticket, so they knew what they were getting into.

To me, it reeks of self-serving hypocrisy.


I used to call myself a "libertarian republican" until a woman I respected the hell out of basically looked me dead in the eye and said
"c'mon, you are way too smart to really believe that bullshiat, if you gave it one second's critical thought"

So I did, and discovered she was right, libertarianism is basically a fantasy embraced by the young and naive, who really do believe they hit a triple rather than being born on third base, and adults with poor social skills who find it deeply terrifying to acknowledge thier existence depends on a complex web of interpersonal and societal relationships
 
2012-07-27 11:19:30 AM  
Goddamn, he was a regular Typhoid Mary. I hope he gets a lifetime's worth of consecutive sentences, so he gets no chance to do it to anyone again.
 
2012-07-27 11:20:08 AM  
You know, I've always wondered how libertarians reconcile their consciences and ethical beliefs with this line of thought. Apparently "do what you want as long as you don't harm someone else" only extends to what you can pay a premium for. Clearly, the poor bought their ticket, so they knew what they were getting into.

To me, it reeks of self-serving hypocrisy.


The opposite end of the extreme is a completely government run hospital, where like other large bureaucracies there are few consequences for management when screw ups happen (i.e., Soviet heathcare, British NHS) and all the citizens (except for high governent officials) have no choice at all and have to endure whatever quality of service the government drones feel is adequate.

/would you really like your zipcode to determine if you get the good drugs?
 
2012-07-27 11:22:52 AM  
mark12A: The opposite end of the extreme is a completely government run hospital, where like other large bureaucracies there are few consequences for management when screw ups happen (i.e., Soviet heathcare, British NHS) and all the citizens (except for high governent officials) have no choice at all and have to endure whatever quality of service the government drones feel is adequate.

The only flaw in that argument is that countries like Britain and Canada also have thriving private insurance corporations, and people are willing to still pay a premium for premium healthcare. And yet, somehow, the poor and desolate still get basic, life-saving and life preserving care, without going into debt for the next 20 generations of their family because of it.
 
2012-07-27 11:24:50 AM  
This isn't about Libertarianism vs the Free Market, it's about an HR department that didn't do the most basic background checks. A known drug addict who had switched jobs nearly a dozen times before he was even 33 years old should have raised a few eyebrows. And he needs a long prison term, not just that he's an opiate freak: he caused a hell of a lot of suffering to the people who didn't get their pain meds because he shot them up his arm. He then likely refilled the syringes with water and exposed those people to hepatitis and whatever else he was infected with. They only way it could get any worse is if he has HIV, as well.
 
2012-07-27 11:29:00 AM  

NutWrench: I've been trying to get a coding job for nearly a year now, and this drug-addled jackass has been hired and fired at least six times.


Welcome to favorites!!!
 
2012-07-27 11:31:14 AM  

elsuavio: FTFA:
-- Maryland General Hospital, Baltimore, January 2010 to March 2010;

-- Temple University Hospital, Philadelphia, April 2010;

-- Hays Medical Center, Hays, Kansas, May 2010 to September 2010;

-- Houston Medical Center, Warner Robins, Georgia, October 2010 to March 2011.

I don't think New Hampshire's libertarianism is to blame for this guy being employed in these cities, after his arrest for cocaine.


Away with you and your inconvenient facts!
 
2012-07-27 11:37:19 AM  
If they pride themselves on libertarianism, why the hell do they have state-run liquor stores?
 
2012-07-27 11:40:03 AM  

mark12A: Don't diss the "Hamp. I'm moving there in the spring and joining the Free State! Might even run for office once I have the farm up and runnning...


If you do, could I put in a few requests that would vastly improve the odds of my returning?

First, the rest areas on the highways could use some dramatic improvement. I'm not talking about making them into multi-million dollar facilities or anything, but the one we stopped at had a grand total of four stalls in the ladies room and was hot and stuffy. People can knock NY all they like, but man do we have some nice rest stops (Jamestown on 86, I'm looking at you...).

Second, the only overlooks I found in the entire state were in the White Mountains, I believe all were on the Federal land. Route 93 through there is beautiful but there was no place to pull over and enjoy it for a bit.

Third, for the love of god, stop charging an arm and a leg for everything in the state parks. $15 for a two mile gorge trail is crazy. I'd rather have paid a basic general entrance fee for the freedom of choosing activities, instead of being restricted by financial restraints to just driving up the highway and back... The Basin was cool but that was a 10 min thing.

/sigh

It's a very pretty area but I and I'm sure others are unaccustomed to paying through the nose for every little thing. I actually like gov't run facilities and parks, when they're done properly. I probably won't go back because hiking was the only free thing we found to do. Good thing we like hiking. The rest was typical tourist trap BS.

/end rant
 
2012-07-27 11:41:20 AM  
It never ceases to amaze me what issues and information people can manage to politicize.



Challenge: I'm having bacon, zucchini and swiss chard quiche leftovers for lunch. Points to the most creative politcization of my choice of lunch.
 
2012-07-27 11:43:13 AM  

PonceAlyosha: Uh, how would knowing the guy did coke and smoked pot help ward off this incident, exactly?


This. I would be more concerned about his behavior on the job that should have been a warning.
 
2012-07-27 11:43:24 AM  

Mose: It never ceases to amaze me what issues and information people can manage to politicize.



Challenge: I'm having bacon, zucchini and swiss chard quiche leftovers for lunch. Points to the most creative politcization of my choice of lunch.


Eating Swiss chard seems so...neutral.
 
2012-07-27 11:44:59 AM  
I normally check Angie's List before I buy drugs, needles, and/or live viruses.
 
2012-07-27 11:47:14 AM  
NutWrench: This isn't about Libertarianism vs the Free Market, it's about an HR department that didn't do the most basic background checks. A known drug addict who had switched jobs nearly a dozen times before he was even 33 years old should have raised a few eyebrows. And he needs a long prison term, not just that he's an opiate freak: he caused a hell of a lot of suffering to the people who didn't get their pain meds because he shot them up his arm. He then likely refilled the syringes with water and exposed those people to hepatitis and whatever else he was infected with. They only way it could get any worse is if he has HIV, as well.

RTFA - He was a travel nurse.
 
2012-07-27 11:47:29 AM  
Kwiatkowski, 33, also worked as a traveling medical technician
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Come one! Come all! Try Dr. Kwiatkowski's Magical Elixer!
 
2012-07-27 11:48:57 AM  

ladyfortuna: mark12A: Don't diss the "Hamp. I'm moving there in the spring and joining the Free State! Might even run for office once I have the farm up and runnning...

If you do, could I put in a few requests that would vastly improve the odds of my returning?

First, the rest areas on the highways could use some dramatic improvement. I'm not talking about making them into multi-million dollar facilities or anything, but the one we stopped at had a grand total of four stalls in the ladies room and was hot and stuffy. People can knock NY all they like, but man do we have some nice rest stops (Jamestown on 86, I'm looking at you...).

Second, the only overlooks I found in the entire state were in the White Mountains, I believe all were on the Federal land. Route 93 through there is beautiful but there was no place to pull over and enjoy it for a bit.

Third, for the love of god, stop charging an arm and a leg for everything in the state parks. $15 for a two mile gorge trail is crazy. I'd rather have paid a basic general entrance fee for the freedom of choosing activities, instead of being restricted by financial restraints to just driving up the highway and back... The Basin was cool but that was a 10 min thing.

/sigh

It's a very pretty area but I and I'm sure others are unaccustomed to paying through the nose for every little thing. I actually like gov't run facilities and parks, when they're done properly. I probably won't go back because hiking was the only free thing we found to do. Good thing we like hiking. The rest was typical tourist trap BS.

/end rant


Hiking, mountain biking, rock climbing, road biking, canoeing/kayaking, camping, swimming. Plenty of overlooks on the Kanc and other roads. What else did you expect to do for free in a wilderness area? Just out of curiosity.
 
2012-07-27 11:56:29 AM  

BronyMedic: RTFA - He was a travel nurse.


In one job, he was found passed out in a hospitals locker room with syringes and transferred directly to the ER, where he tested positive for narcotics. His temp agency fired him the next day and presumably kept a record of this.
 
2012-07-27 12:13:51 PM  

BronyMedic: Magorn: If people don't WANT Hep C. infected workers they can privately pay for the additional screening or only patronize those hospitals that have those safeguards in place. The rest of us can decide to take that risk in return for lower-cost healthcare. The market decides and everybody wins

You know, I've always wondered how libertarians reconcile their consciences and ethical beliefs with this line of thought. Apparently "do what you want as long as you don't harm someone else" only extends to what you can pay a premium for. Clearly, the poor bought their ticket, so they knew what they were getting into.

To me, it reeks of self-serving hypocrisy.


Have you heard of John Goodman? Not the actor, the economist. (He has a real PhD and everything!) He writes a blog about health care policy and supports free-market based reforms. As best I can tell, he is the most respected health care economist on the free-market side, and several of the people who comment are also economists who disagree with him, so it's not a libertarian echo chamber. So, if you honestly do wonder what a well-thought-out free-market approach might look like, you could start there. He's also written a couple of books about it. I'm not sure how deep his libertarian cred goes, but I've seen his work quoted favorably in Reason, so there's that. One thing I can assure you of is that his attitude is definitely not, "fark the poor," and he is definitely not in favor of eliminating the social safety net.
 
2012-07-27 12:24:32 PM  

Mose: ladyfortuna: mark12A:
Hiking, mountain biking, rock climbing, road biking, canoeing/kayaking, camping, swimming. Plenty of overlooks on the Kanc and other roads. What else did you expect to do for free in a wilderness area? Just out of curiosity.


Mountain bikes and canoes/kayaks cost money, and we don't live close enough to good recreation areas that we've invested in those items so we'd have had to rent, and the prices seemed really high to me ($20/adult for kayaks). Also I have enough health problems that anything that takes me off relatively stable ground (so, mountain biking and rock climbing) is dangerous enough that I don't feel like being irresponsible and doing them anyway.

The weather sucked (made reservations two months in advance) so swimming wasn't really something we wanted to do. We did actually drive the Kanc but again the weather sucked so it was mostly just a big cloud.

I'm referring to that gorge hike in the state park, north end of 93. It is $15 per adult for a two mile hike which is secured behind the visitor center. I live near a NYS park that has a longer gorge hike and the entrance fee for the whole park is about $7 iirc. So you can see why I might have some sticker shock.

I'm just saying, it seemed awfully expensive to do anything other than hike, and there's only so many times you want to drive the high road through the mountains in clouds.
 
2012-07-27 12:48:07 PM  

ladyfortuna: Mose: ladyfortuna: mark12A:
Hiking, mountain biking, rock climbing, road biking, canoeing/kayaking, camping, swimming. Plenty of overlooks on the Kanc and other roads. What else did you expect to do for free in a wilderness area? Just out of curiosity.

Mountain bikes and canoes/kayaks cost money, and we don't live close enough to good recreation areas that we've invested in those items so we'd have had to rent, and the prices seemed really high to me ($20/adult for kayaks). Also I have enough health problems that anything that takes me off relatively stable ground (so, mountain biking and rock climbing) is dangerous enough that I don't feel like being irresponsible and doing them anyway.

The weather sucked (made reservations two months in advance) so swimming wasn't really something we wanted to do. We did actually drive the Kanc but again the weather sucked so it was mostly just a big cloud.

I'm referring to that gorge hike in the state park, north end of 93. It is $15 per adult for a two mile hike which is secured behind the visitor center. I live near a NYS park that has a longer gorge hike and the entrance fee for the whole park is about $7 iirc. So you can see why I might have some sticker shock.

I'm just saying, it seemed awfully expensive to do anything other than hike, and there's only so many times you want to drive the high road through the mountains in clouds.


Well, weather in New England happens. You have to accept that and move on. I assume you're talking about the Flume up in Franconia Notch, which, along with the Basin, Clark's Trading Post and the Lost River Gorge are about the biggest tourist traps in that area. I just find it wierd that you'd complain about tourist traps for being tourist traps. The white mountains have so much more to offer. In all seasons.
 
2012-07-27 01:32:07 PM  

Mose: ladyfortuna: Mose: ladyfortuna: mark12A:
BLAH-BLAH-BLAH

Well, weather in New England happens. You have to accept that and move on. I assume you're talking about the Flume up in Franconia Notch, which, along with the Basin, Clark's Trading Post and the Lost River Gorge are about the biggest tourist traps in that area. I just find it wierd that you'd complain about tourist traps for being tourist traps. The white mountains have so much more to offer. In all seasons.


Another thing to remember other than the Basin, all the spots mentioned above are private enterprises located adjacent to or within the national forest. Don't knock the Basin though, go off the paved paths and it's a beautiful area,
 
2012-07-27 01:47:37 PM  

tuxbabe: When enough people die, the customers will stop using the hospital.

Free market solves the problem, again!


This. The market is the best way to run everything!
 
2012-07-27 02:26:52 PM  

PonceAlyosha: Uh, how would knowing the guy did coke and smoked pot help ward off this incident, exactly?


You don't exactly want coke fiends around highly addictive and profitable medications. Weed is one thing, but cocaine users aren't exactly known for good judgement or honesty. The guy was caught ripping off fentanyl for fark's sake. He was given the drug test by the previous employer after he was found on a nod in the employee locker room. He even had needles in his possession.

This guy was a farking menace and his previous employers should have called the farking cops and pressed charges when then found him high as a kite on the job. It seems like he was shiatcanned, but not charged. That wouldn't show up on an employee background check. If this guy was never convicted of anything before he started working, it's technically not on the background check. The hospital in Arizona and the temp agency farked up badly.

If there's any managers or HR people here on Fark....let this be a lesson: Press charges for criminal behavior and gross misconduct. If someone is engaging in criminal behavior on the clock, have the person led out of the building in handcuffs. Also a good way to send a message to other employees that this won't be tolerated. If this junkie prick was blackballed out of the health care profession, this wouldn't have happened.

/farking temp agencies are half the problem with it comes with employee theft and misconduct
 
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