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(Yahoo)   Elton John says the President who has done most to fight AIDS was George W Bush. "I found him charming, I found him well informed and I found him determined to do something about the AIDS situation so I changed my opinion of him"   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 86
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2012-07-27 08:22:33 AM
Okay?
 
2012-07-27 08:35:50 AM
Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.
 
2012-07-27 08:57:29 AM

Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.


Considering that Elton John spends his life advocating for gay causes (and curing AIDS, which hits homosexuals more oft), and you are just some random dude off the street with a computer, I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John
 
2012-07-27 09:13:24 AM

cman: Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.

Considering that Elton John spends his life advocating for gay causes (and curing AIDS, which hits homosexuals more oft), and you are just some random dude off the street with a computer, I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John


What Sybarite said and what Sir Elton said are not mutually exclusive. There is no need to "go" with one over the other.
 
2012-07-27 09:19:50 AM

cman: Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.

Considering that Elton John spends his life advocating for gay causes (and curing AIDS, which hits homosexuals more oft), and you are just some random dude off the street with a computer, I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John


Can't we look at it from a rational point of view. All the executive decisions Bush made regarding how family planning funds were spent internationally were not good decisions in limiting the spread of HIV whereas his emergency fund was the first big push this government has made towards stemming it in Africa. Elton John is probably lauding him to help make it so that HIV prevention is not a partisan issue.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-27 09:33:41 AM
Same as with the Pope a few years ago (the good one, not the current one). World: It's nice that he tried to help Africa. Fark: He didn't do it exactly the way I would so he was really trying to exterminate the continent.
 
2012-07-27 09:37:18 AM
Elton John is also really good friends with Rush Limbaugh, so I no longer trust his instincts on people.
 
2012-07-27 09:43:22 AM

verbal_jizm: cman: Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.

Considering that Elton John spends his life advocating for gay causes (and curing AIDS, which hits homosexuals more oft), and you are just some random dude off the street with a computer, I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John

Can't we look at it from a rational point of view. All the executive decisions Bush made regarding how family planning funds were spent internationally were not good decisions in limiting the spread of HIV whereas his emergency fund was the first big push this government has made towards stemming it in Africa. Elton John is probably lauding him to help make it so that HIV prevention is not a partisan issue.



I'm not saying it wasn't a step forward. I remember the days when Reagan wouldn't even say the word AIDS in public. However, if we're talking about who has done the most to fight AIDS, things need to be seen in context.

- $15 billion was pledged in Bush's 2003 SOTU address, however $5 billion of that amount was already allocated and only about half of the remainder was ever authorized.

- In 2008 Congress passed an extension of PEPFAR and allocated $50 billion over the next five years. It also removed the Bush era requirement that one-third of funds be allocated exclusively to abstinence based programs.

- Shortly after taking office, Obama dropped the "anti-prostitution pledge" which restricted PEPFAR support from sex workers.

No, I don't have the money or profile of Elton John, but I have been involved with AIDS-related charities since a friend of mine died from the disease about twenty years ago.
 
2012-07-27 09:44:27 AM
it's the only thing bush did that he didn't totally and utterly fark up.
 
2012-07-27 09:57:33 AM
Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.
 
2012-07-27 10:47:00 AM

GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.


I came here to say this.

In fact, he does better than the Kenyan in this regard.
 
2012-07-27 11:11:33 AM
www.israellycool.com
 
2012-07-27 11:49:28 AM

gilgigamesh: GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.

I came here to say this.

In fact, he does better than the Kenyan in this regard.


We're cutting all AIDS funding for South Africa apparently, according to NPR yesterday.
 
2012-07-27 11:50:27 AM
You see people Abstinence works!

Hint: No it doesn't.
 
2012-07-27 12:01:02 PM

ZAZ: Same as with the Pope a few years ago (the good one, not the current one). World: It's nice that he tried to help Africa. Fark: He didn't do it exactly the way I would so he was really trying to exterminate the continent.


Yeah, that's not what Sybarite said.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-27 12:02:00 PM

GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.


He has achieved a lot of things, or did you mean positive achievement?

To be fair Jimmy Carter has a better reputation as an ex-president than as president, so there is hope for Dubya.
 
2012-07-27 12:04:06 PM

GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.


Now, now. He also created a coral reef sanctuary in the Pacific, near Hawaii if I'm not mistaken.
 
2012-07-27 12:04:21 PM
sounds like the Rocket Man wants to be Bush's tiny dancer
 
2012-07-27 12:10:26 PM
QINO!
 
2012-07-27 12:11:24 PM

hackhix: [www.israellycool.com image 708x480]


Whoa! I never saw that picture before. It's beautiful. Best picture I've seen of W. It's like the guy genuinely cared. Hope it was not just staged. Now I feel confused..
 
2012-07-27 12:12:20 PM

vpb: GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.

He has achieved a lot of things, or did you mean positive achievement?

To be fair Jimmy Carter has a better reputation as an ex-president than as president, so there is hope for Dubya.


Only positive, obviously.
 
2012-07-27 12:12:26 PM

vpb: GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.

He has achieved a lot of things, or did you mean positive achievement?

To be fair Jimmy Carter has a better reputation as an ex-president than as president, so there is hope for Dubya.


Most of them are. I think it was Clinton who said that once you are an ex-president you still have the weight of the office behind your project without the partisan bickering and other headaches that come from sitting in the chair. If I am not wrong he and H.W. Bush were talking about some of the work they have done and they more of less said they were able to focus on a project they wanted and not have to worry about EVERYTHING else in the world.
 
2012-07-27 12:13:26 PM

Jairzinho: hackhix: [www.israellycool.com image 708x480]

Whoa! I never saw that picture before. It's beautiful. Best picture I've seen of W. It's like the guy genuinely cared. Hope it was not just staged. Now I feel confused..


The kid looks scared shiatless. And the poser looks like he's trying to turn him into butter.

/or squeeze the tar out
 
2012-07-27 12:14:42 PM
Elton John is a good example of an asshole elite. He even performed for Drugs Limbuagh during his wedding because he paid him a million. John should fit right in with republican jerks. He's rich and he never stops whining about how hard his life is.
 
2012-07-27 12:15:38 PM

Lando Lincoln: GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.

Now, now. He also created a coral reef sanctuary in the Pacific, near Hawaii if I'm not mistaken.


That was pretty cool. Do Not Call was also a decent idea. Flawed, perhaps, in execution, but still not bad.
 
2012-07-27 12:16:34 PM
It's good that Elton could reach around for this issue.
 
2012-07-27 12:17:14 PM

cman: I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John


He's married, you slut.
 
2012-07-27 12:17:24 PM

cman: Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.

Considering that Elton John spends his life advocating for gay causes (and curing AIDS, which hits homosexuals more oft), and you are just some random dude off the street with a computer, I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John


Yeah, don't confuse GWB with The Family. For his faults, GWB wasn't evil incarnate. It's possible for him to have done some good things to go with all the crap. Like the law that lets me get on a do-not-call list, or the one that says I have to be permitted to transfer my existing phone number to a new phone when I renew my contract.

And apparently AIDS work.

BTW, I saw a bit on the news about AIDS scientists getting all excited over some discovery? Anyone know what that's about?
 
2012-07-27 12:19:11 PM

hackhix: [www.israellycool.com image 708x480]


georgebushwipinghandonclintonsshirtaftershakinghandswithhaitians_anim a ted.gif
 
2012-07-27 12:19:55 PM

GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.


I would say that his forceful support of Islam and his denouncing al-Qaeda and their radical followers as hijacking the legitimate faith were a great achievement as well. It's unfortunate that it didn't stick past Obama taking office.

As for on-topic comments, yes, George W. Bush has done a great deal in fighting AIDS, and he deserves to be held in high regard for those efforts that even continue today.
 
2012-07-27 12:20:18 PM

hackhix:


The Obama Time Machine strikes again!
 
2012-07-27 12:21:02 PM

BeesNuts: cman: Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.

Considering that Elton John spends his life advocating for gay causes (and curing AIDS, which hits homosexuals more oft), and you are just some random dude off the street with a computer, I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John

Yeah, don't confuse GWB with The Family. For his faults, GWB wasn't evil incarnate. It's possible for him to have done some good things to go with all the crap. Like the law that lets me get on a do-not-call list, or the one that says I have to be permitted to transfer my existing phone number to a new phone when I renew my contract.

And apparently AIDS work.

BTW, I saw a bit on the news about AIDS scientists getting all excited over some discovery? Anyone know what that's about?


They have. Several promising avenues to either make AIDS controlled or to wipe it out completely. One is a drug, the other is continuing research into the so-called Berlin patient, who had AIDS eradicated from his system by a bone marrow transplant. 0.1% of humans are immune to HIV.
 
2012-07-27 12:22:04 PM

Serious Black: GAT_00: Bush actually did quite a bit of good in Africa on AIDS. Yes it came with questionable strings, but by any measure, he did good in fighting AIDS in Africa. It's basically his only actual achievement.

I would say that his forceful support of Islam and his denouncing al-Qaeda and their radical followers as hijacking the legitimate faith were a great achievement as well. It's unfortunate that it didn't stick past Obama taking office.

As for on-topic comments, yes, George W. Bush has done a great deal in fighting AIDS, and he deserves to be held in high regard for those efforts that even continue today.


I also praise him for having a very diverse cabinet.
 
2012-07-27 12:22:42 PM

Jairzinho: hackhix: [www.israellycool.com image 708x480]

Whoa! I never saw that picture before. It's beautiful. Best picture I've seen of W. It's like the guy genuinely cared. Hope it was not just staged. Now I feel confused..


No, it's because the kid just taught him how to count.

"Wha's that letter that comes aft'r four? Y'know, the one tha looks lik' a fat guy?"
 
2012-07-27 12:23:49 PM
So two links on the main politics tab says

*Liberal keeps open mind about a conservative

and

*Liberal recognizes he made a mistake and changes course


imokwiththis.jpg
 
2012-07-27 12:25:02 PM

Bob16: Elton John is a good example of an asshole elite. He even performed for Drugs Limbuagh during his wedding because he paid him a million. John should fit right in with republican jerks. He's rich and he never stops whining about how hard his life is.


Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed today
 
2012-07-27 12:30:36 PM
At this point, Elton is nothing more than a biatchy old Queen. This does not negate the fact that, given the chance, I would indeed sit down with George and drink a beer or 12. Just to see if he can keep his shiat together, or break out the Wild Turkey and six shooter, and maybe a couple grams of cocaine and show these rednecks how to PAR-TAY.

/Lib, but would have a beer with George, just for giggles.
 
2012-07-27 12:30:39 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: hackhix: [www.israellycool.com image 708x480]

georgebushwipinghandonclintonsshirtaftershakinghandswithhaitians_anim a ted.gif


I was just made that URL up to respond. But I should have guessed it was really out there

Too big for FARK inline
 
2012-07-27 12:31:07 PM

GAT_00: BeesNuts: cman: Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.

Considering that Elton John spends his life advocating for gay causes (and curing AIDS, which hits homosexuals more oft), and you are just some random dude off the street with a computer, I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John

Yeah, don't confuse GWB with The Family. For his faults, GWB wasn't evil incarnate. It's possible for him to have done some good things to go with all the crap. Like the law that lets me get on a do-not-call list, or the one that says I have to be permitted to transfer my existing phone number to a new phone when I renew my contract.

And apparently AIDS work.

BTW, I saw a bit on the news about AIDS scientists getting all excited over some discovery? Anyone know what that's about?

They have. Several promising avenues to either make AIDS controlled or to wipe it out completely. One is a drug, the other is continuing research into the so-called Berlin patient, who had AIDS eradicated from his system by a bone marrow transplant. 0.1% of humans are immune to HIV.


The problem is is that viruses, like bacteria, mutate often. This cure that we first find may just give us a few years before we are back up in the same problem.

I dont think that an organic cure will ever find its way to be 100% effective and could still kill even if it mutates. Nano-bots, for example (some Star Trek shiat up in here!) would probably be the best cure. I wonder how much research is being done on this kind of technology.
 
2012-07-27 12:38:27 PM

Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.


This!

This is why it's usually a bad idea to get political opinions from celebrities.
 
2012-07-27 12:38:34 PM
African AIDS prevention work is the only thing I can think of that George W. Bush actually achieved success with during his 8 years.


...and conservatives don't even consider that an achievement.
 
2012-07-27 12:40:03 PM
Dubya's still a lying, murderous bastard, Elton.

And in a way, so are you. "Dedicating" a song to a kid dying of AIDS and then stealing back the song so you can then "dedicate" it to Princess Di. What a bastard!
 
2012-07-27 12:43:11 PM

Bob16: Elton John is a good example of an asshole elite. He even performed for Drugs Limbuagh during his wedding because he paid him a million. John should fit right in with republican jerks. He's rich and he never stops whining about how hard his life is.


Elton John is a bitter old queen.
 
2012-07-27 12:43:45 PM

wildsnowllama: I also praise him for having a very diverse cabinet.


Morons of all races and ethnicities!

/agrees that the AIDS is the only good thing W did
//that, and his wife set up the National Book Festival
 
2012-07-27 12:44:23 PM
Wow, W, probably this is the only time in your life someone will call you "charming and well-informed." Enjoy it while you can?
 
2012-07-27 12:45:07 PM

LittleSmitty: At this point, Elton is nothing more than a biatchy old Queen.


Damnit somuch.
 
2012-07-27 12:48:21 PM

cman: GAT_00: BeesNuts: cman: Sybarite: Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Yes, because the systematic discouragement of condom use in favor of abstinence-only policies, the prohibition against providing HIV/AIDS prevention services to commercial female sex workers, and the re-institution of the global gag rule preventing any organization providing perfectly legal abortion services (or even advising about such services) from receiving AIDS prevention funding were really excellent ideas.

Considering that Elton John spends his life advocating for gay causes (and curing AIDS, which hits homosexuals more oft), and you are just some random dude off the street with a computer, I think I am gonna have to go with Sir John

Yeah, don't confuse GWB with The Family. For his faults, GWB wasn't evil incarnate. It's possible for him to have done some good things to go with all the crap. Like the law that lets me get on a do-not-call list, or the one that says I have to be permitted to transfer my existing phone number to a new phone when I renew my contract.

And apparently AIDS work.

BTW, I saw a bit on the news about AIDS scientists getting all excited over some discovery? Anyone know what that's about?

They have. Several promising avenues to either make AIDS controlled or to wipe it out completely. One is a drug, the other is continuing research into the so-called Berlin patient, who had AIDS eradicated from his system by a bone marrow transplant. 0.1% of humans are immune to HIV.

The problem is is that viruses, like bacteria, mutate often. This cure that we first find may just give us a few years before we are back up in the same problem.

I dont think that an organic cure will ever find its way to be 100% effective and could still kill even if it mutates. Nano-bots, for example (some Star Trek shiat up in here!) would probably be the best cure. I wonder how much research is being done on this kind of technology.


I dunno about its application in the virus-fighting fields, but they do have little bots they're putting into animal bloodstreams.

Google singularity or Dr. Kurtzweil
 
2012-07-27 12:53:06 PM
Bush's policies on AIDS and Africa are one of the few redeeming things he did while in office.

Credit where it's due. He did the right things there.
 
2012-07-27 01:36:08 PM
Oh, I didn't check my calendar. Is this the week when we're supposed to care what celebrities think about politics?
 
2012-07-27 01:39:53 PM
Hell, Dubya loved developing nations so much, he did his damnedest to turn his own country into one.
 
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