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2012-07-27 09:18:35 AM
Apple still is the winner... a customer base that are zombies that are willing to pay 3x the value of their products... im sure apple will be fine:)
 
2012-07-27 09:23:46 AM

Icetech3: Apple still is the winner... a customer base that are zombies that are willing to pay 3x the value of their products... im sure apple will be fine:)


Which equivalent smartphone or tablet is 1/3 the price of an iPhone or iPad? And how is someone a Zombie for owning an iPhone or iPad?
 
2012-07-27 09:26:44 AM

Icetech3: Apple still is the winner... a customer base that are zombies that are willing to pay 3x the value of their products... im sure apple will be fine:)


Concise and effective, just the way it ought to be. 9/10
 
2012-07-27 09:29:39 AM
Android owners are the Google zombies. Windows 8 phone owners are MS corpses (no brains involved so no zombies)
Somebody make a real open source Linux phone. RSN.

/Android Xombie :-(
 
2012-07-27 09:33:51 AM

Icetech3: Apple still is the winner... a customer base that are zombies that are willing to pay 3x the value of their products... im sure apple will be fine:)


Hey, iPhones have a 59% gross margin, that's only like 2.5x the value. Get it right next time.
 
2012-07-27 09:43:26 AM

digistil: Icetech3: Apple still is the winner... a customer base that are zombies that are willing to pay 3x the value of their products... im sure apple will be fine:)

Which equivalent smartphone or tablet is 1/3 the price of an iPhone or iPad? And how is someone a Zombie for owning an iPhone or iPad?


As for as a better smartphone, and I will talk contract prices. Motorola Atrix 2 is free at BestBuy, and you can even get a docking station for it that turns it into a mini laptop with a full version of firefox. Also supports memory cards, standard chargers and hdmi. Supports memory card up to 64 gig. So for 0 dollars for the phone, 36 dollar activation fee, and 65 bucks for the memory card, you get a total cost of $101 dollars. Same cost of a a 64 gig iphone, 399....

Samsung Note, and Galaxy are far superior and open phones at the 199 price point that the 8 gig 4s goes far.

The Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, which can be found for free is a mucher better phone.

Wait a minute the 4s GSM version is not a 4g phone....

As for tablets you have never seen an Asus Transformer, or a Google Nexus?

I have a 32 gig Touchpad running Ice Cream Sandwich, that I paid 150 bucks for....
 
2012-07-27 09:53:28 AM
As a patent attorney I'm getting a kick(back)
 
2012-07-27 09:55:21 AM
I see Subby pulled that one from the "no shiat" file.

/first, we kill all the lawyers
 
2012-07-27 09:58:59 AM

theflatline:
Samsung Note, and Galaxy are far superior and open phones at the 199 price point that the 8 gig 4s goes far.


i.imgur.com

What someone talking on a Samsung Note might look like.
 
2012-07-27 10:49:54 AM
The Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, which can be found for free is a mucher better phone.

Where? I'm on AT&T and planning on an HTC One X for $129 subsidized, but a $0 is free-er than that.
 
2012-07-27 10:53:41 AM
Obvious tag is obvious
 
2012-07-27 11:04:51 AM

mathmonkey: The Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, which can be found for free is a mucher better phone.

Where? I'm on AT&T and planning on an HTC One X for $129 subsidized, but a $0 is free-er than that.


I work for the T, check the website on Sundays, that is when they tend to drop the best deals.

However, Amazon, Target, Best Buy, Radio Shack, tend to have better deals on our equipment these days. Amazon had the 1 x for 50 bucks a few months ago.

I am not a big fan of the 1 x though.
 
2012-07-27 11:08:43 AM
As a patent attorney, I just billed three clients 6 minutes each for reading this thread.
 
2012-07-27 11:16:31 AM

theflatline: mathmonkey: The Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, which can be found for free is a mucher better phone.

Where? I'm on AT&T and planning on an HTC One X for $129 subsidized, but a $0 is free-er than that.

I work for the T, check the website on Sundays, that is when they tend to drop the best deals.

However, Amazon, Target, Best Buy, Radio Shack, tend to have better deals on our equipment these days. Amazon had the 1 x for 50 bucks a few months ago.

I am not a big fan of the 1 x though.


Why is that? It looks like the screen beats the S3. I'd rather have the S3, honestly, but haven't seen it very cheap. I'll keep looking out, though. Thanks.
 
2012-07-27 11:29:02 AM
My Galaxy S3 was 199.99 and I have a 64 gb micro SD card in it (for 35 bucks) along with the 8 gb of onboard memory. Until Apple comes around to expandable memory that phone in my personal opinion will always trump any iPhone. And until the S3 I'd been using iPhones since the beginning.

Of course some people don't give a shiat about memory and that's fine too. But the fact the S3 costs half of what a 64 gb iphone 4S costs, and has the screensize it does was just too good to pass up.
 
2012-07-27 11:38:26 AM

mathmonkey: Why is that? It looks like the screen beats the S3. I'd rather have the S3, honestly, but haven't seen it very cheap. I'll keep looking out, though. Thanks.


Take this for what it's worth:

I bought a 1X at the recommendation of quite a few people on fark. That was about 2-3 weeks before Samsung announced the S3 was available for preorder. The first one I had never worked right. It would hang when you moved off a wifi network, it dropped calls when going from a 4G area to a non-4G area, and it simply wouldn't even register some calls or texts that were sent to me.

I took it into the store, they replaced the SIM card with a new one, and the situation hardly improved. After doing research I found the wifi was a known issue that HTC was planning on fixing via either a software or firmware update (and they may have by now, don't know), but was also seeing complaints about the network switching problem as well...but people couldn't say whether that was the fault of the phone or the network.

Anyway, after about another week of that I took it in and asked them to replace it. AT&T no questions asked. Took it home, same issues. At that point I was debating about just flat out returning it and switching back to my iPhone 4 and holding out either for an S3 or iPhone 5 (nether of which had been announced). Two days after that the phone just completely bricked. Was working in the morning, full battery, alarm went off. Went to use it a few hours later and it was dead as a doornail. Thought maybe the batter was drained somehow but nope, even plugging it in wouldn't activate the little front led that signified it was charging. Took that one back to the store and they didn't have any others in stock so I returned it, had them reactivate my iPhone, and said fark it.

A few days after that Samsung announced the date the S3 would be available and that was that for me.

I can say since I've had the S3 I've had zero problems. No wifi issues, no network switching issues, and I've had numerous people comment on the improved call quality when talking with me.

The 1X and S3 are almost the same. Size is identical, the 1X screen is said to be somewhat better; however, it also has no expandable SD card and only 1gb of RAM (I think) whereas the S3 has two.

This is all purely anecdotal of course, so take it for what it's worth but that's my two cents.
 
2012-07-27 11:47:00 AM

Shrugging Atlas: Of course some people don't give a shiat about memory and that's fine too. But the fact the S3 costs half of what a 64 gb iphone 4S costs, and has the screensize it does was just too good to pass up.


iphones are great. But I'm 47 and my old eyes simply need a bigger screen these days. The two things they always said would never happen will both happen this year: there will be a smaller ipad and there will be a bigger iphone. Because consumers want them even if mr jobs says the consumer is wrong.
 
2012-07-27 12:39:30 PM

Shrugging Atlas: My Galaxy S3 was 199.99 and I have a 64 gb micro SD card in it (for 35 bucks) along with the 8 gb of onboard memory. Until Apple comes around to expandable memory that phone in my personal opinion will always trump any iPhone. And until the S3 I'd been using iPhones since the beginning.

Of course some people don't give a shiat about memory and that's fine too. But the fact the S3 costs half of what a 64 gb iphone 4S costs, and has the screensize it does was just too good to pass up.


It is a good choice. Samsung Galaxy S3 is a far superior phone than the iPhone 4S.
 
2012-07-27 01:02:56 PM
Sometimes the anti-Apple herp-a-derp around here looks like something in the Politics tab.
 
2012-07-27 01:13:38 PM

theurge14: theflatline:
Samsung Note, and Galaxy are far superior and open phones at the 199 price point that the 8 gig 4s goes far.

[i.imgur.com image 527x531]

What someone talking on a Samsung Note might look like.


Awesome.

bingethinker: Sometimes the anti-Apple herp-a-derp around here looks like something in the Politics tab.


Pssh, if you think this is anti-Apple derp you must be crazy. That hasn't started yet.

On an unrelated note, there have been several people posting here who say they're patent attorneys. We should force them to buy TF for everyone here.
 
2012-07-27 01:16:19 PM
Oh, and have some leaked iPhone and iPad mock-ups.

Link
 
2012-07-27 01:35:48 PM
Thanks, Shrugging Atlas. I'm also moving from an iPhone to Android and you totally sold me on the S3.
 
2012-07-27 02:05:02 PM
 
2012-07-27 02:17:11 PM

Shrugging Atlas: mathmonkey: Why is that? It looks like the screen beats the S3. I'd rather have the S3, honestly, but haven't seen it very cheap. I'll keep looking out, though. Thanks.

Take this for what it's worth:

I bought a 1X at the recommendation of quite a few people on fark. That was about 2-3 weeks before Samsung announced the S3 was available for preorder. The first one I had never worked right. It would hang when you moved off a wifi network, it dropped calls when going from a 4G area to a non-4G area, and it simply wouldn't even register some calls or texts that were sent to me.

I took it into the store, they replaced the SIM card with a new one, and the situation hardly improved. After doing research I found the wifi was a known issue that HTC was planning on fixing via either a software or firmware update (and they may have by now, don't know), but was also seeing complaints about the network switching problem as well...but people couldn't say whether that was the fault of the phone or the network.

Anyway, after about another week of that I took it in and asked them to replace it. AT&T no questions asked. Took it home, same issues. At that point I was debating about just flat out returning it and switching back to my iPhone 4 and holding out either for an S3 or iPhone 5 (nether of which had been announced). Two days after that the phone just completely bricked. Was working in the morning, full battery, alarm went off. Went to use it a few hours later and it was dead as a doornail. Thought maybe the batter was drained somehow but nope, even plugging it in wouldn't activate the little front led that signified it was charging. Took that one back to the store and they didn't have any others in stock so I returned it, had them reactivate my iPhone, and said fark it.

A few days after that Samsung announced the date the S3 would be available and that was that for me.

I can say since I've had the S3 I've had zero problems. No wifi issues, no network switching issues, and ...


I've just moved from an HTC Desire HD to an S3. I'm still not convinced. The screen is gorgeous, it's light as a feather, and incredibly speedy. However, native Samsung widgets suck, and I'm a huge fan of widgets. HTC had so many awesome Clock, Calendar and email widgets, and their Samsung counterparts are just not there, or are pretty bland. There's no 4x4 daily view calendar, no 4x1 calendar. The 4x2 calendar only shows current day, not next event which I prefer. The 4x2 clock/weather doesn't have the pizzazz that the HTC did.

The stock keyboard has no first-push comma and no keyboard minimize.

No way to disable confirm delete prompt in email.

No easy way to get to notifications. You have to drag the bar down.

No lock screen music controls from the stock music player when using a PIN. DoubleTwist offers that, but wasn't very stable.

Yes, there are third party widgets, but I like everything to have the same look and feel.

It's also still annoying that the stock Contacts app only lists phone and email.

I know I'm being pedantic, and some of the issues I have may not even be valid, as I've only had the phone for a few days.
 
2012-07-27 02:20:36 PM
"brainless" windows phone user here. The only thing I don't like is lack of apps so far. Most of the major things are available, but as far as games go, there isn't much. However, we did get Pirates! And Final Fantasy... But I would kill for someone to develop emulators like I had on my droid. And not that crappy NESlight they have that can't determine if you're pressing two buttons at once. Makes Mario running jumps impossible.
 
2012-07-27 02:29:13 PM

Nexzus: Shrugging Atlas: mathmonkey: Why is that? It looks like the screen beats the S3. I'd rather have the S3, honestly, but haven't seen it very cheap. I'll keep looking out, though. Thanks.

Take this for what it's worth:

I bought a 1X at the recommendation of quite a few people on fark. That was about 2-3 weeks before Samsung announced the S3 was available for preorder. The first one I had never worked right. It would hang when you moved off a wifi network, it dropped calls when going from a 4G area to a non-4G area, and it simply wouldn't even register some calls or texts that were sent to me.

I took it into the store, they replaced the SIM card with a new one, and the situation hardly improved. After doing research I found the wifi was a known issue that HTC was planning on fixing via either a software or firmware update (and they may have by now, don't know), but was also seeing complaints about the network switching problem as well...but people couldn't say whether that was the fault of the phone or the network.

Anyway, after about another week of that I took it in and asked them to replace it. AT&T no questions asked. Took it home, same issues. At that point I was debating about just flat out returning it and switching back to my iPhone 4 and holding out either for an S3 or iPhone 5 (nether of which had been announced). Two days after that the phone just completely bricked. Was working in the morning, full battery, alarm went off. Went to use it a few hours later and it was dead as a doornail. Thought maybe the batter was drained somehow but nope, even plugging it in wouldn't activate the little front led that signified it was charging. Took that one back to the store and they didn't have any others in stock so I returned it, had them reactivate my iPhone, and said fark it.

A few days after that Samsung announced the date the S3 would be available and that was that for me.

I can say since I've had the S3 I've had zero problems. No wifi issues, no network swit ...


Hmm. I've got a Galaxy Nexus and have a few questions.

First of all, if you have keyboard complaints I would suggest something like Swype. I've shown it to a few friends who have Android phones and they went from being very skeptical to loving it in about five minutes.

I like the dragdown notification, I always thought it was nifty.

The lack of lock screen music controls is very strange. I just tried setting up a PIN unlock and I had music controls. Do you have the music app open when you lock your phone?

As for the Samsung overlays, yeah they may be kinda crappy but there should be a way to disable/uninstall them. Or you could just install a clean copy of the OS and be done with them forever!
 
2012-07-27 02:39:49 PM

Nexzus: I know I'm being pedantic, and some of the issues I have may not even be valid, as I've only had the phone for a few days.


Root dude. Yeah, it's a pain for an hour or so but I finally rooted my gs2 a few months ( and I'm like almost 50 and shiat) and I could not be happier. The only reason I did it was to get back my free wifi hotspot. So, that hour I spent saved me a couple hundred bucks over the course of a year. In short, after rooting, if I want it on my phone, I can have it on my phone. If I do not want it on my phone, I can take it off my phone. I update whenever the hell I feel like it - and this is key... OR NOT. Sometimes after I get a device the way I want it the last think I want is an update to bork it. So I froze the update feature and I'll turn it back on whenever the hell I feel like it. I got sick of tmobile messages and reminders.... so I turned them right the hell off. And I have a full backup at all times should I ever lose the phone. These really are wonderful devices. Why the manufacturers and providers intentionally cripple the shiat out of them is completely beyond me.
 
2012-07-27 02:44:15 PM

JohnBigBootay: Nexzus: I know I'm being pedantic, and some of the issues I have may not even be valid, as I've only had the phone for a few days.

Root dude. Yeah, it's a pain for an hour or so but I finally rooted my gs2 a few months ( and I'm like almost 50 and shiat) and I could not be happier. The only reason I did it was to get back my free wifi hotspot. So, that hour I spent saved me a couple hundred bucks over the course of a year. In short, after rooting, if I want it on my phone, I can have it on my phone. If I do not want it on my phone, I can take it off my phone. I update whenever the hell I feel like it - and this is key... OR NOT. Sometimes after I get a device the way I want it the last think I want is an update to bork it. So I froze the update feature and I'll turn it back on whenever the hell I feel like it. I got sick of tmobile messages and reminders.... so I turned them right the hell off. And I have a full backup at all times should I ever lose the phone. These really are wonderful devices. Why the manufacturers and providers intentionally cripple the shiat out of them is completely beyond me.


Very much this. If you (Nexzus) need any help with the rooting process then feel free to ask, it's quite easy once you get the right drivers installed.
 
2012-07-27 02:46:01 PM

change1211: Nexzus: Shrugging Atlas: mathmonkey:


Yeah, I have heard good things about Swype and will probably give it a try. I figured though, the stock HTC keyboard was fine, the S3 should be fine as well.

The notifications was just another preference thing of course. Home screen menu button -> Notifications and I was there in the HTC. Although I do like the quick settings (wi-fi, GPS, BT) in the notification screen.

Yeah, I've tried with the music player open. A quick search revealed other people noticing it as well, and noticing it has changed since prior versions of Samsung phones. If you don't have a PIN, the controls can be opened from the lock screen, but with a PIN, they can't be.
 
2012-07-27 02:59:38 PM

Nexzus: change1211: Nexzus: Shrugging Atlas: mathmonkey:

Yeah, I have heard good things about Swype and will probably give it a try......


Try it out, you'll probably never go back. Its should be the standard for touch screen keyboards.
 
2012-07-27 03:55:19 PM
Nexzus

I've just moved from an HTC Desire HD to an S3. I'm still not convinced. The screen is gorgeous, it's light as a feather, and incredibly speedy. However, native Samsung widgets suck, and I'm a huge fan of widgets. HTC had so many awesome Clock, Calendar and email widgets, and their Samsung counterparts are just not there, or are pretty bland. There's no 4x4 daily view calendar, no 4x1 calendar. The 4x2 calendar only shows current day, not next event which I prefer. The 4x2 clock/weather doesn't have the pizzazz that the HTC did.

The stock keyboard has no first-push comma and no keyboard minimize.

No way to disable confirm delete prompt in email.

No easy way to get to notifications. You have to drag the bar down.

No lock screen music controls from the stock music player when using a PIN. DoubleTwist offers that, but wasn't very stable.

Yes, there are third party widgets, but I like everything to have the same look and feel.

It's also still annoying that the stock Contacts app only lists phone and email.

I know I'm being pedantic, and some of the issues I have may not even be valid, as I've only had the phone for a few days.


Aside from my short time with the 1X before it shot craps the S3 is the only Android I've had....so I can't really speak to the widgets or lack thereof. Personally I like the ones I have, but I also don't have a point of comparison.

For the keyboard I bought Swiftkey Pro almost right away simply based off what I had read on forums so I'll certainly agree with you there.

Notifications? Totally agree. I think I read they improved with Jelly Bean, so maybe that will be sorted with the S3.

I use Amazon's cloud service for all my music playing and that has controls from the lock screen, but it would annoy me if it didn't.

I see your points at any rate. Results certainly may vary when it comes to details like that.
 
2012-07-27 04:31:58 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: I see Subby pulled that one from the "no shiat" file.

/first, we kill all the lawyers


That was the plan, but the Imperial Lawyer advised against it.
 
2012-07-27 05:47:04 PM
500 an hour?

I'm guessing they hired the A-team, not middlings.
 
2012-07-27 07:30:08 PM

theflatline: digistil: Icetech3: Apple still is the winner... a customer base that are zombies that are willing to pay 3x the value of their products... im sure apple will be fine:)

Which equivalent smartphone or tablet is 1/3 the price of an iPhone or iPad? And how is someone a Zombie for owning an iPhone or iPad?

As for as a better smartphone, and I will talk contract prices. Motorola Atrix 2 is free at BestBuy, and you can even get a docking station for it that turns it into a mini laptop with a full version of firefox. Also supports memory cards, standard chargers and hdmi. Supports memory card up to 64 gig. So for 0 dollars for the phone, 36 dollar activation fee, and 65 bucks for the memory card, you get a total cost of $101 dollars. Same cost of a a 64 gig iphone, 399....

Samsung Note, and Galaxy are far superior and open phones at the 199 price point that the 8 gig 4s goes far.

The Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, which can be found for free is a mucher better phone.

Wait a minute the 4s GSM version is not a 4g phone....

As for tablets you have never seen an Asus Transformer, or a Google Nexus?

I have a 32 gig Touchpad running Ice Cream Sandwich, that I paid 150 bucks for....


You sound like an idiot salesman... Come back when you know WTF you're talking about.
 
2012-07-27 09:39:29 PM

digistil: theflatline: digistil: Icetech3: Apple still is the winner... a customer base that are zombies that are willing to pay 3x the value of their products... im sure apple will be fine:)

Which equivalent smartphone or tablet is 1/3 the price of an iPhone or iPad? And how is someone a Zombie for owning an iPhone or iPad?

As for as a better smartphone, and I will talk contract prices. Motorola Atrix 2 is free at BestBuy, and you can even get a docking station for it that turns it into a mini laptop with a full version of firefox. Also supports memory cards, standard chargers and hdmi. Supports memory card up to 64 gig. So for 0 dollars for the phone, 36 dollar activation fee, and 65 bucks for the memory card, you get a total cost of $101 dollars. Same cost of a a 64 gig iphone, 399....

Samsung Note, and Galaxy are far superior and open phones at the 199 price point that the 8 gig 4s goes far.

The Galaxy S2 Skyrocket, which can be found for free is a mucher better phone.

Wait a minute the 4s GSM version is not a 4g phone....

As for tablets you have never seen an Asus Transformer, or a Google Nexus?

I have a 32 gig Touchpad running Ice Cream Sandwich, that I paid 150 bucks for....

You sound like an idiot salesman... Come back when you know WTF you're talking about.


What did he say that makes him sound like an idiot?
 
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