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2012-07-27 08:45:26 AM
Pretty Woman is a teen movie?
 
2012-07-27 08:48:36 AM
Theres so much stupid in that article I wouldn't know where to begin, so I just wont bother.
 
2012-07-27 08:49:37 AM

strangeguitar: Pretty Woman is a teen movie?


ditto, Reality Bites.
 
2012-07-27 08:49:52 AM

strangeguitar: Pretty Woman is a teen movie?

Forty Days and Forty Nights

is?

Look, Denofgeek guys, just because a movie was written by people with the emotional maturity of a 14-year-old, does not make it a teen movie.

Or maybe "teen" means something different in Britain, like "fanny" does?
 
2012-07-27 08:52:28 AM
My high school theater teacher refused to do Grease because of how morally offensive it is.

They ended up doing it the year after I graduated.
 
2012-07-27 08:53:09 AM
A teen movie generally means a movie where the mall stands in for a character in its own right. See: Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, Paul Blart Mall Cop, Dawn of the Dead.
 
2012-07-27 08:53:29 AM
List fails without Revenge Of The Nerds and the accompanying long list of felonies.
 
2012-07-27 08:54:22 AM
As pointed out at TFA's comments, in Grease it wasn't just Sandy that changed to please Danny. Danny changed himself to impress her- That's kind of the central point of the story, what with him trying out for all the sports teams and telling the T-Birds he lettered in track while they weren't looking.

And Danny didn't dump Sandy for Cha Cha. It was Cha Cha that grabbed Danny on the dance floor and dragged him into a dance for a contest that was on live television. Danny didn't think he could just walk away when it was being nationally televised, so he stuck with it and finished the dance. Besides-- Sandy's dancing was nowhere near as good as her singing, and she had jilted him a couple times already by that point (If you keep count, it's Sandy that ditches Danny all the time, and not the other way around).

It's funny when Den of Geek tries to write about something that isn't Firefly. It's like none of them actually watches anything else.
 
2012-07-27 08:56:07 AM
At least number 1 is true.
 
2012-07-27 08:56:08 AM

ReapTheChaos: Theres so much stupid in that article I wouldn't know where to begin, so I just wont bother.


Most of those listings completely missed the point of the movie they were targeting.

They were right on number 8, though.

I would have definitely added She's All That. When the most popular guy in school takes an interest in you, abandon your own unique persona and confirm with the rest of the popular kids.
 
2012-07-27 08:59:03 AM

Any Pie Left: List fails without Revenge Of The Nerds and the accompanying long list of felonies.


Now, now. It's not rape if when you reveal you aren't the guy she thought she was having sex with, she doesn't mind because she enjoyed it.
 
2012-07-27 09:00:02 AM

Any Pie Left: List fails without Revenge Of The Nerds and the accompanying long list of felonies.


Oh, yes.... Do any of the things the nerds did in this movie (or the jocks, really) and you'll go to prison.

Setting up camera and spying on naked women (That's several crimes, right there.)
Breaking & entering (numerous counts.)
Rape (but it's okay, because Louis was good at it, so she totally forgives him!)
Whatever the Alpha Betas did to Louis & Gilbert in the "initiation" (severe hazing, including tar-and-feathering and beastiality.)
Vandalism (several times.)
Assault (Numerous counts when the Alphas throw the freshmen out of the dorms, and later.)
Releasing farm animals into someone's house (I'm not sure what crime this is, but it's got to be illegal.)

And so on.
 
2012-07-27 09:02:35 AM
Weird, it's almost like movies aren't real or something. As if you can't single-handedly mow down an army of bad guys without a scratch... Or you can't, you know, hack the gibson.
 
2012-07-27 09:04:39 AM
All of this is why Not Another Teen Movie is a great flick. It came around before all the other "Not Another" movies, and it was actually kind of clever about its lampooning of the genre.
 
2012-07-27 09:07:31 AM
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'Sandy, it's time to admit the truth. This movie sucks.'

'Oh no Danny! What if TBirds find out?'
 
2012-07-27 09:09:30 AM
Grease was more about a relationship requiring that you meet your partner in the middle than about slutting your way to success. Sandy doesn't actually become promiscuous, she just alters her style to try to let Danny keep his rep (because it's important to him). Danny, meanwhile, tries to be less of a loser (joining a sports team despite hating sports) and tries to tone down his own promiscuity, because it's important to her.

It's actually one of the more positive-message coming-of-age movies, several of the characters realize that their self-fixated teenage relationships aren't stable and instead start thinking about their partner and attempting to actually commit to adult relationships (where you have to put in some effort to make it work).

Of course, some of the message is lost to the stupider members of a modern audience (for example, anyone who works at Den of Geek) because all an idiot remembers about greasers in the 1950s was that James Dean was kinda cool in Rebel Without a Cause, and if they might not realize that in the context of the film "greaser" = "white trash creepy asshole". The attempts to play team sports (where you have to interact with people in a non-injurious fashion) represent a major attempt at self-reformation, not a cool guy cooling his way through coolsville-- there's a major socioeconomic divide there that's being overcome.
 
2012-07-27 09:11:38 AM
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Nice guys finish last.

Oh wait, that's not a moral. That's a fact.
 
2012-07-27 09:11:45 AM
Any movie where the protagonist is some lumpy, depressed, navel-gazing douche who fancies himself some kind of misunderstood genius, and in walks the Manic Pixie Dream Girl who, despite being improbably hot and full of quirky charm, has nothing better to do (and worse, exists solely to) than to help this grumpy narcissist learn to have fun.

This all-too-prominent formula is a bad message for a variety of reasons:

It's depressingly cliche. Even alleged 'original' indie movies follow this formula.

It's incorrect. Hot, fun girls don't waste their time or effort on dudes like this. (And they shouldn't).

It's embarrassing. This formula is the wish-fulfillment fantasy of immature writers.

It's immoral. This formula teaches young men to be passive, sit around waiting for Princess Charming, instead of engaging the courage and hard work necessary to examine oneself and make the changes to attract the mates we desire.

/Works the same way for chick flicks as well
 
2012-07-27 09:13:51 AM
Cruel Intentions pretty much everything about the movie.
 
mjg
2012-07-27 09:14:31 AM
"1. Grease (1978)

Message: dress like a slut and boys will like you."


Quite predictive of Travolta's future, IMO.
 
2012-07-27 09:14:33 AM

gunga galunga: ReapTheChaos: Theres so much stupid in that article I wouldn't know where to begin, so I just wont bother.

Most of those listings completely missed the point of the movie they were targeting.

They were right on number 8, though.

I would have definitely added She's All That. When the most popular guy in school takes an interest in you, abandon your own unique persona and confirm with the rest of the popular kids.


Ah, yes. Speaking of which, Breakfast Club, anyone? Ally Sheedy is a hot little weirdo, then she puts on some truly wretched makeup and she's earned the appeal of the dumb jock. At least Hughes correctly (though sadly) left the dork alone.
 
2012-07-27 09:23:09 AM
The Project X and Grease morals are right.
 
2012-07-27 09:26:26 AM
If you're going to the movies to be taught any kind of moral message then you probably shouldn't even be let out of the house.
 
2012-07-27 09:36:23 AM

ZeroCorpse: All of this is why Not Another Teen Movie is a great flick. It came around before all the other "Not Another" movies, and it was actually kind of clever about its lampooning of the genre.


Snatch Bandergrip: gunga galunga: ReapTheChaos: Theres so much stupid in that article I wouldn't know where to begin, so I just wont bother.

Most of those listings completely missed the point of the movie they were targeting.

They were right on number 8, though.

I would have definitely added She's All That. When the most popular guy in school takes an interest in you, abandon your own unique persona and confirm with the rest of the popular kids.

Ah, yes. Speaking of which, Breakfast Club, anyone? Ally Sheedy is a hot little weirdo, then she puts on some truly wretched makeup and she's earned the appeal of the dumb jock.


True, but at the very least, it wouldn't hurt Alison to start using Head & Shoulders.
 
2012-07-27 09:36:28 AM
mhsot.webs.com

I've always thought that Strangers on a Train has an interesting moral outcome: Guy gets exactly what he wants: his wife is killed so he doesn't have to go through a messy divorce, and he never has to pay any consequences for it.
 
2012-07-27 09:37:26 AM

thornhill: [mhsot.webs.com image 521x395]

I've always thought that Strangers on a Train has an interesting moral outcome: Guy gets exactly what he wants: his wife is killed so he doesn't have to go through a messy divorce, and he never has to pay any consequences for it.


Oh, didn't see that this was about teen movies.
 
2012-07-27 09:40:38 AM

ReapTheChaos: If you're going to the movies to be taught any kind of moral message then you probably shouldn't even be let out of the house.


Because when you're a kid, your brain functions exactly like a firewall. Nothing influences you unless you consciously decide to let it.

Oh, wait... no. It doesn't even work that way in most adults.
 
2012-07-27 09:41:39 AM
I always hated Reality Bites. I was 18 when it came out and every girl loved it. Vicarious rebellion for square girls.
 
2012-07-27 09:42:22 AM

ZeroCorpse: All of this is why Not Another Teen Movie is a great flick. It came around before all the other "Not Another" movies, and it was actually kind of clever about its lampooning of the genre.


In theory, it should have been a John Hughes movie that was the central plot of a teen movie parody. But I farking hated She's All That, and NATM called that movie out on its bullshiat.
 
2012-07-27 09:42:26 AM

Any Pie Left: List fails without Revenge Of The Nerds and the accompanying long list of felonies.


Every rom-com is based on stalking and understated rape.
 
2012-07-27 09:43:38 AM

gunga galunga: True, but at the very least, it wouldn't hurt Alison to start using Head & Shoulders.


You and your personal hygiene products just trying to keep a sister down, man!

In looking for Ally Sheedy pics, I found this pic:

www.mtv.com

Have Molly Ringwald's tits always been that glorious?


/RIP Paul Gleason, you were the best asshole of the 80s
 
2012-07-27 09:43:43 AM

thornhill: [mhsot.webs.com image 521x395]

I've always thought that Strangers on a Train has an interesting moral outcome: Guy gets exactly what he wants: his wife is killed so he doesn't have to go through a messy divorce, and he never has to pay any consequences for it.


I'm guessing a lot of the farkers here that keep pushing for increased rail deep down hope that one day sitting on the train they will be propositioned by a man just like the movie.
 
2012-07-27 09:44:47 AM

ZeroCorpse: All of this is why Not Another Teen Movie is a great flick. It came around before all the other "Not Another" movies, and it was actually kind of clever about its lampooning of the genre.


Yes! And it is legitimately re-watchable. Everyone, including the extras, looks like they had a really good time making the film. Watch the part where the cheerleader's are doing the whole "Bring it on" thing and how everyone from their school is in the background dancing along. I would have loved to have been there for that.
 
2012-07-27 09:54:42 AM
Wha? No Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Unpossible!
 
2012-07-27 09:58:09 AM
Remember, kids: When she was younger, your mom was likely a slut.

www.flix66.com
 
2012-07-27 09:58:57 AM

PsyLord: Wha? No Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Unpossible!


I'm not sure that one had a moral, bad or otherwise, it was pretty much a pure farce.
 
2012-07-27 10:04:01 AM

Jim_Callahan: PsyLord: Wha? No Ferris Bueller's Day Off? Unpossible!

I'm not sure that one had a moral, bad or otherwise, it was pretty much a pure farce.


Actually, there's a very clear cut, explicitly stated moral. "Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop every now and then and look around, you can miss it."

Whether that moral is defensible, in Ferris's situation or otherwise, is certainly arguable though. :)
 
2012-07-27 10:04:40 AM
Ah, Den of Geek, the poor man's Cracked: they already did this article, twice, I think.
 
2012-07-27 10:04:43 AM
Glad to see Grease was the first pic in the article.
 
2012-07-27 10:07:10 AM

thornhill: [mhsot.webs.com image 521x395]

I've always thought that Strangers on a Train has an interesting moral outcome: Guy gets exactly what he wants: his wife is killed so he doesn't have to go through a messy divorce, and he never has to pay any consequences for it.


Criss-cross.
 
2012-07-27 10:08:02 AM

Hal5423: ZeroCorpse: All of this is why Not Another Teen Movie is a great flick. It came around before all the other "Not Another" movies, and it was actually kind of clever about its lampooning of the genre.

Yes! And it is legitimately re-watchable. Everyone, including the extras, looks like they had a really good time making the film. Watch the part where the cheerleader's are doing the whole "Bring it on" thing and how everyone from their school is in the background dancing along. I would have loved to have been there for that.


And it's probably only one of two "spoof" movies (the other being Walk Hard) that have come out since the first Scary Movie the get what spoofing is supposed to be.
 
2012-07-27 10:11:37 AM

gunga galunga: Hal5423: ZeroCorpse: All of this is why Not Another Teen Movie is a great flick. It came around before all the other "Not Another" movies, and it was actually kind of clever about its lampooning of the genre.

Yes! And it is legitimately re-watchable. Everyone, including the extras, looks like they had a really good time making the film. Watch the part where the cheerleader's are doing the whole "Bring it on" thing and how everyone from their school is in the background dancing along. I would have loved to have been there for that.

And it's probably only one of two "spoof" movies (the other being Walk Hard) that have come out since the first Scary Movie the get what spoofing is supposed to be.


Funny, I'd argue that the later Scary Movies were more accurate parodies, because they sent up actual horror films, not horror films that were already tongue-in-cheek, as Scream was.
 
2012-07-27 10:20:29 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: gunga galunga: True, but at the very least, it wouldn't hurt Alison to start using Head & Shoulders.

You and your personal hygiene products just trying to keep a sister down, man!

In looking for Ally Sheedy pics, I found this pic:

[www.mtv.com image 563x365]

Have Molly Ringwald's tits always been that glorious?


/RIP Paul Gleason, you were the best asshole of the 80s


Yes. NSFW
 
2012-07-27 10:24:39 AM
While hardly any of those are teen movies, I can't agree more with #8. I didn't actually see Reality Bites until about a year ago. I got the impression the filmmaker was trying to get me to identify with Ethan Hawke's character and despise Ben Stiller's character but the result was the exact opposite. Hawke came across as a whiny assholish layabout who thinks the world owes him something because he had a shiatty childhood and can string together a coherent thought every now and then. Stiller came across as a pretty stable and successful but somewhat naive guy who wanted to do right by Winona and sometimes fell flat on his face in the execution. Maybe I was too far along in my own emotional maturity to really "get" the "protagonist". Maybe I've just had an assfull of the Misunderstood Artsy Intellectual Slacker archetype.

\can't be arsed to look up the character names, even though they're a tab away. Fark that movie
\\Steve Zahn was awesome though
 
2012-07-27 10:27:44 AM
"Juno" was a movie about an otherwise very smart girl's unplanned teen pregnancy and going through the process to have the baby adopted away. Instead of assigning some magical "love aura" to the baby she wasn't ready for, she gave the child to the desperately-wanting Jennifer Garner.

And then, just as it does in real life when a young woman has a baby that she gives up for adoption, she's just a young woman again.

So from this movie we see:
1. Even brainiacs can get pregnant during their very first, awkward sexual experience (good)
2. Pregnancy will cause significant changes in your body and lead to isolation as a teenager (good)
3. Adoption is a viable and healthy outlet for your unplanned baby (good)
4. You will not be branded a worthless, friendless whore for having sex (reasonable)
5. You shouldn't trust professional musicians around your 16-year-old daughter (LIFE LESSON)
 
2012-07-27 10:32:17 AM

ZeroCorpse: All of this is why Not Another Teen Movie is a great flick. It came around before all the other "Not Another" movies, and it was actually kind of clever about its lampooning of the genre.


Couldn't agree more. It's easily re-watchable too. I think the reason most of the "Scary" and "[X] Movie" spoofs don't work past the opening weekend is they're almost completely made up of topical pop culture jokes.
 
2012-07-27 10:37:50 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: gunga galunga: True, but at the very least, it wouldn't hurt Alison to start using Head & Shoulders.

You and your personal hygiene products just trying to keep a sister down, man!

In looking for Ally Sheedy pics, I found this pic:

[www.mtv.com image 563x365]

Have Molly Ringwald's tits always been that glorious?


/RIP Paul Gleason, you were the best asshole of the 80s


According to THIS_NSFW_LINK, they are real
 
2012-07-27 10:39:40 AM

xalres: While hardly any of those are teen movies, I can't agree more with #8. I didn't actually see Reality Bites until about a year ago. I got the impression the filmmaker was trying to get me to identify with Ethan Hawke's character and despise Ben Stiller's character but the result was the exact opposite. Hawke came across as a whiny assholish layabout who thinks the world owes him something because he had a shiatty childhood and can string together a coherent thought every now and then. Stiller came across as a pretty stable and successful but somewhat naive guy who wanted to do right by Winona and sometimes fell flat on his face in the execution. Maybe I was too far along in my own emotional maturity to really "get" the "protagonist". Maybe I've just had an assfull of the Misunderstood Artsy Intellectual Slacker archetype.


It was directed by Ben Stiller, but based on a screenplay by Helen Childress. She hasn't had another screenplay credit until something called The Mountain which is in production right now. My guess, studios wanted to cash in on the whole Generation X thing. The screenplay somehow got in their hand and they ran with it. They knew the target audience would love the whole "slacker good, corporate sell-out bad" angle. Maybe they just didn't realize how unlikeable Ethan Hawke's character really was. And in the execution, Winona Ryder's movie was farking awful and what Ben Stiller did to it was an improvement.
 
2012-07-27 10:42:15 AM

Gunderson: According to THIS_NSFW_LINK, they are real


Aaaaand the productivity of the country just dropped by 0.5%.
 
2012-07-27 10:42:53 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: gunga galunga: Hal5423: ZeroCorpse: All of this is why Not Another Teen Movie is a great flick. It came around before all the other "Not Another" movies, and it was actually kind of clever about its lampooning of the genre.

Yes! And it is legitimately re-watchable. Everyone, including the extras, looks like they had a really good time making the film. Watch the part where the cheerleader's are doing the whole "Bring it on" thing and how everyone from their school is in the background dancing along. I would have loved to have been there for that.

And it's probably only one of two "spoof" movies (the other being Walk Hard) that have come out since the first Scary Movie the get what spoofing is supposed to be.

Funny, I'd argue that the later Scary Movies were more accurate parodies, because they sent up actual horror films, not horror films that were already tongue-in-cheek, as Scream was.




eh, the later Scary Movies didn't really parody horror films as much as just made random references to movies that happened to be horror films (or not, in some cases.)
 
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