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(PC Magazine)   The way Microsoft has tweaked the UI now makes it impossible to actually do anything useful, which makes the OS more secure   (securitywatch.pcmag.com) divider line 70
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2012-07-27 09:11:37 AM
Windows 8 fail is greater than Windows 1, Windows ME, Windows Vista, and Macintosh Basic combined
 
2012-07-27 09:44:36 AM
The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.
 
2012-07-27 10:13:33 AM
"... it will be severely difficult, and only the most adept will come close to exploiting the tiny vulnerabilities that remain."

I wish Vegas would post odds and take bets on this statement being true.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-07-27 10:31:20 AM
I understand the security purpose of address randomization, but I hate debugging on systems that use it because programs become nondeterministic.
 
2012-07-27 11:21:29 AM

MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.


Probably because it hasn't been released yet, so only techies have used it.
 
2012-07-27 11:24:07 AM
The claim of improved security is the excuse I always use to upgrade my OS. I'm not a techie, so I figure I need all the help I can get.

I'm gonna take them up on their $40 upgrade offer for all my computers. I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

That will be the first one I upgrade. If it doesn't blowup, I'll try another.
 
2012-07-27 11:25:13 AM
I'm not liking the look of it, all the major developers complaining about it worries me too... Not sure what to think till I actually try it some.

I'd suggest that Microsoft have some major demo stations for this, otherwise people will be too scared to try something that radically different.

I know I won't buy it on my own based on some kind of "trust" that it will be good.
 
2012-07-27 11:25:49 AM
I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EDIT POSTS HERE?
 
2012-07-27 11:31:22 AM

Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EDIT POSTS HERE?


Yea I can just imagine how the Politics tab would work out if we could edit comments =)
 
2012-07-27 11:32:30 AM
Plenty of non-techies are going to take issue with an obviously touch-oriented interface. Day traders, for example. "But multi-monitor support is so much BETTER in 8!" cry the fanbois, which claim become useless when you realize your primary screen is going to be hogged by Metro, and that any program written to work on the OS will likely be forced into becoming a "Metro-style app", which means everything full-screen and probably ruined by that damnable Ribbon.

They changed too much too quickly, and are trying to shoehorn every adopter into being just another Facebook-surfing tablet user. Businesses will upgrade to this thing about as quickly as they did Vista. Oh wait...


/ Will wait for Windows 9, or "Horizon", or whatever naming convention MS ends up going with to distance the "fixed" version from this travesty.
 
2012-07-27 11:37:28 AM

KellyX: Yea I can just imagine how the Politics tab would work out if we could edit comments =)


All you have to do is mark that the post has been edited. That would keep all the non-morons from trying to revise history. And the ones that would do it anyway would be a lot of fun!
 
2012-07-27 11:39:44 AM

Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EDIT POSTS HERE?


It is going to be in Fark 8, which will be released shortly. It comes with a touch interface, all the menus are being reconfigured, and, of course, improved security.
 
2012-07-27 11:39:57 AM

MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.


Yeah, people defended Vista too.
 
2012-07-27 11:43:50 AM

paygun: KellyX: Yea I can just imagine how the Politics tab would work out if we could edit comments =)

All you have to do is mark that the post has been edited. That would keep all the non-morons from trying to revise history. And the ones that would do it anyway would be a lot of fun!


You clearly have never been to the politics tab.
 
2012-07-27 11:58:03 AM

MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.


I actually kinda like it.
 
2012-07-27 12:02:09 PM
We fear change
 
2012-07-27 12:08:59 PM

angrymacface: MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.

I actually kinda like it.


Me too. I've spent a decent amount of time in Server 2012 Preview now and it's not bad at all.
 
2012-07-27 12:10:06 PM

MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.


um, it comes down to super users. Operating systems are moving away from them. When I want to do work on my computer, i want to do it in the most efficient way. A system that makes simple tasks more difficult, pisses super users off.

I can certainly understand making systems easier to use for the general public. All I ask for is the ability to keep it efficient for productivity, not just for entertainment and communication.

We live in a time where we actually have the mythical great library and we use it for LOL cats.
 
2012-07-27 12:16:34 PM

MacEnvy: angrymacface: MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.

I actually kinda like it.

Me too. I've spent a decent amount of time in Server 2012 Preview now and it's not bad at all.


Count me in. I like the look of it. I use "speed dial" on chrome & firefox, so I'm used to the look of "tiles" on the desktop.
 
2012-07-27 12:17:49 PM
 
2012-07-27 12:24:39 PM
So they have invented OSX!
 
2012-07-27 12:26:10 PM
i49.tinypic.com

The new Microsoft Smart Keyboard, optimized for Windows 8
 
2012-07-27 12:31:11 PM
I'm more than willing to try but I'm also a bit curious. Aside from metro what are the benefits of Windows 8? Also, I'm assuming one could simply turn off metro and go back to the "classic" view... which brings me back to my first question.

Hardly seems worth it for a PC user if the #1 draw is metro.
 
2012-07-27 12:38:30 PM

jbtilley: I'm more than willing to try but I'm also a bit curious. Aside from metro what are the benefits of Windows 8? Also, I'm assuming one could simply turn off metro and go back to the "classic" view... which brings me back to my first question.

Hardly seems worth it for a PC user if the #1 draw is metro.


Have you ever seen the Simpsons episode where Homer finds his long lost brother, Herb? Ended up working for his brothers car company. Herb thought that since was a simple everyman, Homer could design the cars the people wanted. Near the end of the show, the car debuts, and it is a monstrosity. It sucked so bad that it put Herbs car company out of business.

Windows 8 is like the car in this story
 
2012-07-27 12:39:17 PM
I've never tried Metro so I don't know what to make of it, but I think Windows 8 is supposed to boot faster, be more secure (the point of this article), have better search capabilities, and maybe generally be more stable/snappy/etc. There will also be an app store if you want an easy way to download whatever happens to be popular with the masses at the moment, and the start menu is accessed via the windows key and displays more stuff.
 
2012-07-27 12:43:01 PM

burndtdan: MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.

Probably because it hasn't been released yet, so only techies have used it.


And techies know the keyboard commands to bypass the stupid UI.

But I've set a Win8 laptop down in front of non-techie friends and family members and asked them to try using it. Without any instruction on how to use it.

I can tell you, that ain't pretty.
 
2012-07-27 12:44:40 PM

jbtilley: I'm more than willing to try but I'm also a bit curious. Aside from metro what are the benefits of Windows 8? Also, I'm assuming one could simply turn off metro and go back to the "classic" view... which brings me back to my first question.

Hardly seems worth it for a PC user if the #1 draw is metro.


Classic Desktop is Windows 7 without the Start button.

Other than that, there's no appreciable difference.

/I may be missing out on some big improvement in boot times, since I'm using SSDs and even Win7 boots in less than 10 seconds
 
2012-07-27 12:55:21 PM

MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies. If you are a technical user and you can't figure out how to use Windows 8, you need to find another line of work.

Farkin' babies, the lot of you.


3/10 (points for getting people to bite)

Real people do not like WinMetro
 
2012-07-27 12:59:19 PM

Kuroshin: jbtilley: I'm more than willing to try but I'm also a bit curious. Aside from metro what are the benefits of Windows 8? Also, I'm assuming one could simply turn off metro and go back to the "classic" view... which brings me back to my first question.

Hardly seems worth it for a PC user if the #1 draw is metro.

Classic Desktop is Windows 7 without the Start button.

Other than that, there's no appreciable difference.

/I may be missing out on some big improvement in boot times, since I'm using SSDs and even Win7 boots in less than 10 seconds


vistart will add an XP-style start button to the desktop screen, but this is less than ideal, and the Retail may prevent that from working.

Nothing changes the fact that Microsoft is going balls-out to force touchscreen gestures on the desktop crowd in a grab for app store/walled garden/tablet/phone revenue. It's all about clueless business execs making a money grab.
 
2012-07-27 01:09:37 PM

LesserEvil: Real people do not like WinMetro


Oh, well if some guy on YouTube says so, nevermind.
 
2012-07-27 01:15:52 PM

Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO EDIT POSTS HERE?


I thought you were just bragging about uptime.
 
2012-07-27 01:16:31 PM

Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

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2012-07-27 01:21:02 PM

skazzytl: I've never tried Metro so I don't know what to make of it, but I think Windows 8 is supposed to boot faster, be more secure (the point of this article), have better search capabilities, and maybe generally be more stable/snappy/etc. There will also be an app store if you want an easy way to download whatever happens to be popular with the masses at the moment, and the start menu is accessed via the windows key and displays more stuff.


Faster than 45 seconds?
 
2012-07-27 01:21:40 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: We fear change


Change can be good. Change can bring with it new developments, interesting concepts and ideas. Change can lead to discussion.

Change for the sake of Change is usually a bad thing and never works out as expected.
 
2012-07-27 01:23:55 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

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You been lookin' up under my skirt?
 
2012-07-27 01:54:59 PM

MacEnvy: LesserEvil: Real people do not like WinMetro

Oh, well if some guy on YouTube says so, nevermind.


Try just about any of the links down the side.

Lots of people dislike, intensely, the Windows 8 Metro UI.

A UI designed for Tablets is not good for a desktop. Removing 30 years worth of research from your UI to make it work better for a 16 year old girl on a mobile phone seems like a rather unwise thing.
 
2012-07-27 01:57:27 PM

MacEnvy: The only people whining about Windows 8 UI changes so far are techies those who use their computers for more than Facebook and Angry Birds..


FTFY
 
2012-07-27 01:59:41 PM

StoPPeRmobile: skazzytl: I've never tried Metro so I don't know what to make of it, but I think Windows 8 is supposed to boot faster, be more secure (the point of this article), have better search capabilities, and maybe generally be more stable/snappy/etc. There will also be an app store if you want an easy way to download whatever happens to be popular with the masses at the moment, and the start menu is accessed via the windows key and displays more stuff.

Faster than 45 seconds?


Windows 7 boots up in 10 seconds for me, but then again, I'm running two Samsung SSDs in a RAID-0 configuration, so my boot disk reads around a gigabyte/second. Boot up speed isn't an issue.

There are a few nice underlying OS features WinMetro has, but the UI makes all that moot. I'll wait for Win9 or a service pack that makes Metro more optional and returns the Start button.

Yes, I know there are keyboard shortcuts to do most of the stuff lost with the start button, but why the fark should I have to use those? What's the point of a UI in that case? I dislike the idea of hunting around my screen for some hidden "click area" or using swipe gestures with my trackball.
 
2012-07-27 02:03:20 PM

Basily Gourt: StoPPeRmobile: Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

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You been lookin' up under my skirt?


Apparently you aren't allowed to complain about Fark until you've been here at least 8 years.
 
2012-07-27 02:23:02 PM

smockjam: Basily Gourt: StoPPeRmobile: Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

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You been lookin' up under my skirt?

Apparently you aren't allowed to complain about Fark until you've been here at least 8 years.


If I'm still posting here 6 years from now, come by and shoot me!
 
2012-07-27 02:34:48 PM
Windows 8 stole my lunch money, ate my homework and raped me.

/In with the people are a bunch of whiners considering they haven't seen it yet crowd.
 
2012-07-27 02:36:36 PM

Basily Gourt: smockjam: Basily Gourt: StoPPeRmobile: Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

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You been lookin' up under my skirt?

Apparently you aren't allowed to complain about Fark until you've been here at least 8 years.

If I'm still posting here 6 years from now, come by and shoot me!


So when are you leaving?
 
2012-07-27 02:40:13 PM
So they made it like a Mac?
 
2012-07-27 02:42:27 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Basily Gourt: smockjam: Basily Gourt: StoPPeRmobile: Basily Gourt: I have a laptop running that I'm still running xp on.

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You been lookin' up under my skirt?

Apparently you aren't allowed to complain about Fark until you've been here at least 8 years.

If I'm still posting here 6 years from now, come by and shoot me!

So when are you leaving?


Soon as I get my edit button, warden. I'm on a mission now.
 
2012-07-27 03:02:19 PM
So, pretty much unchanged then?
 
2012-07-27 03:09:38 PM

Basily Gourt: If I'm still posting here 6 years from now, come by and shoot me!

So when are you leaving?

Soon as I get my edit button, warden. I'm on a mission now.


Yeah, if I were you I would want to edit my posts.
 
2012-07-27 03:20:06 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Basily Gourt: If I'm still posting here 6 years from now, come by and shoot me!

So when are you leaving?

Soon as I get my edit button, warden. I'm on a mission now.

Yeah, if I were you I would want to edit my posts.


Why would I want to edit your posts? 8-}
 
2012-07-27 03:29:17 PM

LesserEvil: A UI designed for Tablets is not good for a desktop. Removing 30 years worth of research from your UI to make it work better for a 16 year old girl on a mobile phone seems like a rather unwise thing.


i240.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-27 03:48:32 PM

LemSkroob: So they made it like a Mac?


I'm guessing you have not used a Mac since Jr High, or not at all.
But hey, go ahead and talk out your ass in an attempt at being edgy.

slashdot.org

compixels.com
 
2012-07-27 04:00:04 PM
Here's my Windows 8 desktop.

It's functionally no different from Windows 7.

i48.tinypic.com

If you're going to customize Windows (which most power users do anyways), just get Classic Shell and do whatever else you want.

It's not the worst thing ever.
 
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