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(Orlando Sentinel)   Raul Castro says Cuba is ready and willing to negotiate with the United States, if only they would talk to us. Why won't you talk to us? "The table is served"   (articles.orlandosentinel.com) divider line 82
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2012-07-27 02:02:35 AM  
Just don't send these two:
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2012-07-27 07:14:34 AM  
Don't back down now! This is proof that the embargo is working. Only a couple more years, and the Cubans will cave for sure.
 
2012-07-27 08:32:14 AM  
Just work it out so that the last thing Fidel ever sees before he dies is a Walmart grand opening right outside his hospital window.
 
2012-07-27 08:38:11 AM  
We won't negotiate because Florida is a swing state and no politician has the spine to risk pissing off the anti-Castro community in order to do what's best for the country.
 
2012-07-27 09:12:12 AM  
When human civilization is gone and aliens visit Earth some time in the far future, all they're going to find is a bunch of mechanical soldiers still fighting over Cuba. Their programmers and the reason for their program long forgotten, like in some Star Trek morality play.
 
2012-07-27 09:27:48 AM  

Aarontology: We won't negotiate because Florida is a swing state and no politician has the spine to risk pissing off the anti-Castro community in order to do what's best for the country.


It isn't about not pissing them off, it's about respecting them. These people bravely fled their communist oppressors with nothing but the clothes on their backs and the numbers to Swiss accounts. And maybe a suitcase stuffed with cigars, if they had time to plan ahead.
These people are like 110 years old now, and they're not getting any younger. We risk losing the lessons they've learned through their struggles. We should let them travel to schools, telling their stories, like we do with the Holocaust Survivors. If it's worth telling schoolchildren about the atrocities of Nazi Germany so that it never happens again, surely it's worth telling schoolchildren that if you only give your peasants a slice of bread a day and then you cut that in half, then your peasants are going to come at you with pitchforks.
 
2012-07-27 09:34:06 AM  

rumpelstiltskin: These people are like 110 years old now, and they're not getting any younger. We risk losing the lessons they've learned through their struggles. We should let them travel to schools, telling their stories, like we do with the Holocaust Survivors. If it's worth telling schoolchildren about the atrocities of Nazi Germany so that it never happens again, surely it's worth telling schoolchildren that if you only give your peasants a slice of bread a day and then you cut that in half, then your peasants are going to come at you with pitchforks.


Unless those peasants can be exploited to make cheap shoes.
 
2012-07-27 09:59:43 AM  
We MUST remain strong against Cuba to contain the global spread of Communism.
 
2012-07-27 10:10:57 AM  

Aarontology: We won't negotiate because Florida is a swing state and no politician has the spine to risk pissing off the anti-Castro community in order to do what's best for the country.


Not during an election year, anyway.
 
2012-07-27 10:11:33 AM  

Jackson Herring: We MUST remain strong against Cuba to contain the global spread of Communism.


We must not appear weak to the Soviets, as Romney has so correctly pointed out.
 
2012-07-27 10:12:45 AM  
Eh, maybe in mid-to-late November?
 
2012-07-27 10:13:52 AM  
He's just being a hot blooded, emotional, crazy chicano.
 
2012-07-27 10:13:57 AM  
if we opened up relations with Cuba again it would piss off Chavez. so there's that.
 
2012-07-27 10:14:27 AM  

Jackson Herring: We MUST remain strong against Cuba to contain the global spread of Communism.


Well, if Barrage O'Trauma gets 4 more years, the US will be more Communist than Cuba. You just wait!
 
2012-07-27 10:14:52 AM  
We must punish continue to punish those USSR sympathizers until they no longer exist. Give them an inch and they'll flood the entire Caribbean with their commie missiles.
 
2012-07-27 10:15:19 AM  
Maybe after the election of Obama wins you might see a rework of our relationship with Cuba, but if Romney wins no way in hell.
 
2012-07-27 10:15:32 AM  
Our tobacco industry is not what it used to be, but I am pretty sure they have a vested interest in Cuba staying off limits.
 
2012-07-27 10:15:59 AM  
Election year. Sorry, Raul.

To be honest, you actually have to die before the US before any progress gets made, and if your successor has the word "Castro" anywhere in his name then you have to wait until he dies too.
 
2012-07-27 10:17:05 AM  

Aarontology: We won't negotiate because Florida is a swing state and no politician has the spine to risk pissing off the anti-Castro community in order to do what's best for the country.


My vote is we negotiate and offer to give them Florida as compensation for the years of embargo.
//solves one problem but if we thought they were an enemy before wait til they meet Rick Scott
 
2012-07-27 10:17:55 AM  
I dunno, while the original reason for the embargo was kind of dumb (zOMG communism) and so is the real reason for maintaining it (zOMG old people in Florida), I have to say that I don't really have a huge problem with us refusing to deal with a government that dealt with dissent by razing whole towns and then raping the residents to death, etc.

I mean, there are revolutionary governments, and there there are revolutionary governments that made use of assholes like Che for decades. Most of the central/south American revolutions at least stopped wantonly murdering people at the drop of a hat once they were in power.
 
2012-07-27 10:18:23 AM  

monoski: Aarontology: We won't negotiate because Florida is a swing state and no politician has the spine to risk pissing off the anti-Castro community in order to do what's best for the country.

My vote is we negotiate and offer to give them Florida as compensation for the years of embargo.
//solves one problem but if we thought they were an enemy before wait til they meet Rick Scott


Only after we build a fence around the Florida border to keep all those people in
 
2012-07-27 10:22:47 AM  

Gulper Eel: Just work it out so that the last thing Fidel ever sees before he dies is a Walmart grand opening right outside his hospital window.


You don't permanently conquer folks by starving them out. You get them by convincing them your way of life is better. We need to drop the embargo with the one condition: we get to put a starbucks and a mcdonalds on every streetcorner. We need to sell them cheap shiat they don't need in exchange for everything their island can produce. And when they are bloated and content, their previous suffering highlighted by their present enjoyment, we say... "See how much better capitalism is? So about that commie thing..."
 
2012-07-27 10:25:16 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I dunno, while the original reason for the embargo was kind of dumb (zOMG communism) and so is the real reason for maintaining it (zOMG old people in Florida), I have to say that I don't really have a huge problem with us refusing to deal with a government that dealt with dissent by razing whole towns and then raping the residents to death, etc.

I mean, there are revolutionary governments, and there there are revolutionary governments that made use of assholes like Che for decades. Most of the central/south American revolutions at least stopped wantonly murdering people at the drop of a hat once they were in power.


www.rt.com
 
2012-07-27 10:25:51 AM  
The embargo is ridiculous and has done nothing but punish the Cuban people.

Public chest-beating, clandestine military operations and cow-towing to the exile demographic in Florida has also been equally useless.

The "free market" would have probably forced Castro out of power a long time ago...
 
2012-07-27 10:26:02 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I dunno, while the original reason for the embargo was kind of dumb (zOMG communism) and so is the real reason for maintaining it (zOMG old people in Florida), I have to say that I don't really have a huge problem with us refusing to deal with a government that dealt with dissent by razing whole towns and then raping the residents to death, etc.

I mean, there are revolutionary governments, and there there are revolutionary governments that made use of assholes like Che for decades. Most of the central/south American revolutions at least stopped wantonly murdering people at the drop of a hat once they were in power.


I think part of the problem is that people view opening relations as some sort of award. It's the most expedient way to topple the regime and start improving the human rights there. Obviously, the embargo and non-existent diplomatic relations have failed. But start exposing the Cuban public to different ways, and you'll start to see change.

In this case, diplomacy is not a reward. It's a weapon.
 
2012-07-27 10:28:37 AM  
.. because Baroque Yo'mama won't do it in an election year.. even though "those people" in Florida will vote for 1% Mittens anyway because he'll try to get the 1%'ers from Cuba their 90% of the land back.. negotiation.. 1%'er style. Proof that right wing application of rube-ness transcends even ethic boundaries.
 
2012-07-27 10:29:06 AM  
The embargoes have crippled Cuba so terribly that they're reduced to serving tables for dinner, apparently.
 
2012-07-27 10:29:47 AM  

Jim_Callahan: I have to say that I don't really have a huge problem with us refusing to deal with a government that dealt with dissent by razing whole towns and then raping the residents to death, etc.


But enough about China...
 
2012-07-27 10:34:25 AM  
Cuba is not a position suitable to negotiate.
 
2012-07-27 10:40:09 AM  

LargeCanine: Cuba is not a position suitable to negotiate.


"Please stop farking us, we're not going to make you communists" doesn't really seem like that onerous of a request.
 
2012-07-27 10:40:42 AM  

LargeCanine: Cuba is not a position suitable to negotiate.


Yet America's bloated military has never managed to conquer it.
 
2012-07-27 10:43:58 AM  

LargeCanine: Cuba is not a position suitable to negotiate.


I think gobs of cheap labor within 90 miles of the US is a decent negotiating point. Set up a textile mill down there and rake in the profits.
 
2012-07-27 10:48:56 AM  
There are more communists at Berkley and the Poli-sci department of Yale than in Cuba.
 
2012-07-27 10:50:25 AM  

keylock71: cow-towing


Link

What cow-towing might look like
 
2012-07-27 10:50:28 AM  

Aarontology: We won't negotiate because Florida is a swing state and no politician has the spine to risk pissing off the anti-Castro community in order to do what's best for the country.


So we punish the people still there. If trade is good with China, it's good with Cuba. Fidel isn't in charge anymore really. Just farking normalize relations already.
 
2012-07-27 10:51:04 AM  

LargeCanine: Cuba is not a position suitable to negotiate.


Neither are rape victims.

So, uh, fark'em.
 
2012-07-27 10:52:13 AM  

Blue_Blazer: keylock71: cow-towing

Link

What cow-towing might look like


Lol... Whoops. I always forget it's spelled with a "K".

*hangs head in shame*
 
2012-07-27 10:53:08 AM  

sendtodave: LargeCanine: Cuba is not a position suitable to negotiate.

Neither are rape victims.

So, uh, fark'em.


Ouch... No, I think he means that they have no oil.
 
2012-07-27 10:56:23 AM  
Give Fidel credit. In 1961 who would have guessed he'd still be annoying the US in 2012.
 
2012-07-27 10:58:10 AM  
Cuba should be our friend, vacation spot, and supplier of cigars.

As far as trade goes, I'd prefer that our next-door neighbors benefit from any trade imbalances over those on the other side of the world. Saves on shipping and, and this part is for the conservatives out there, strong neighbors increases security. So next time you tough individualists start running your mouths about military strength and the security of our nation while wetting your pants about terror, just think how much safer we'd be if our closest neighbors had our back.
 
2012-07-27 10:59:56 AM  

Smackledorfer: Cuba should be our friend, vacation spot, and supplier of cigars.


My grandparents vacationed in Cuba before the revolution and said it was a beautiful place.
 
2012-07-27 11:01:22 AM  

keylock71: Blue_Blazer: keylock71: cow-towing

Link

What cow-towing might look like

Lol... Whoops. I always forget it's spelled with a "K".

*hangs head in shame*


It's ok. Gave me a much-needed chuckle.
 
2012-07-27 11:02:01 AM  
If Obama looses the election, he needs to jump right on this and negotiate a nice treat to let our tourist dollars start flowing. Not like he can piss off the Republicans any more...
 
2012-07-27 11:10:16 AM  

monoski: Smackledorfer: Cuba should be our friend, vacation spot, and supplier of cigars.

My grandparents vacationed in Cuba before the revolution and said it was a beautiful place.


I've never heard anything other than it being damn near a paradise. Now sure, if it were fully open to tourism the extra number of people and touristy crap would probably bring it down a peg, but still.

And while we are talking cuba, let me just repeat this statement 'fark all cubans who fled their country (or whose parents did) and landed here and got free citizenship who still support screwing over those fleeing other countries in search of a better life. You aren't any different, and it doesn't matter whether the douches in charge of your old country claim their government is a form of communism. fark you you selfish "fark you I've got mine" mother farkers'.

Double fark you to those republican cubans who try to skirt the party line by kinda sorta supporting some kind of dream act but still vocally biatching about any democratic attempts to put one in place - you are a perfect example of what is wrong with the functioning of our government.
 
2012-07-27 11:12:04 AM  

Gulper Eel: Just work it out so that the last thing Fidel ever sees before he dies is a Walmart grand opening right outside his hospital window.



Change that to a Costco and I'm on board with that idea.
 
2012-07-27 11:12:33 AM  
Oh, and I farking love when I meet people who are racist against mexicans coming and taking our jerbs, but then will say how nice the cubans were (I know people who've lived in florida who talk that up). Of course the cubans learn english better and have better jobs: they aren't risking deportation every time they leave the house. So they can stumble around with the language barrier in public and put their kids through schools, or even just the simple benefits like being able to call the cops if you need them without risking that the cops will call ICE on you.

/this level of ignorance really gets to me.
 
2012-07-27 11:17:28 AM  

Slives: If Obama looses the election, he needs to jump right on this and negotiate a nice treat to let our tourist dollars start flowing. Not like he can piss off the Republicans any more...


Those of us further down in the island chain, who could use your tourism dollars and who did not shoot at you with guns and did not destroy your aircraft and did not steal your property and did not point nuclear missiles at your women and children, might have a problem with this.

/Fark Cuba.
/No, really. They damn near got the world blown up.
/I'd consider that a rather deep cut that needs mending first.
 
2012-07-27 11:19:04 AM  

Smackledorfer: Now sure, if it were fully open to tourism the extra number of people and touristy crap would probably bring it down a peg, but still.



Once Cuba opens up, I plan on pissing off as many Canadian tourists as I can....the ones who keep saying "ZOMG we don't want Americans down here". I'm going to walk around in jorts, Crocs, and the Mickey Mouse ears I picked up in Orlando the week before.

/Not really.
//But would love to visit Cuba once things open up.
///My cousin travelled there (illegally) back in 2004.
////Cool story bro.
 
2012-07-27 11:20:25 AM  

Smackledorfer: Oh, and I farking love when I meet people who are racist against mexicans coming and taking our jerbs, but then will say how nice the cubans were (I know people who've lived in florida who talk that up). Of course the cubans learn english better and have better jobs: they aren't risking deportation every time they leave the house. So they can stumble around with the language barrier in public and put their kids through schools, or even just the simple benefits like being able to call the cops if you need them without risking that the cops will call ICE on you.


I used to live in Texas, so getting a kick, etc. By and large, most of the Mexicans I met were nice people. And yes, I expect a lot of the problems in the Mexican-dense neighborhoods could be mitigated if they felt like they could call the police without fear of their grandmother upstairs getting deported because they tried to report the crack dealer next door.
 
2012-07-27 11:27:58 AM  

Smackledorfer: Oh, and I farking love when I meet people who are racist against mexicans coming and taking our jerbs, but then will say how nice the cubans were (I know people who've lived in florida who talk that up). Of course the cubans learn english better and have better jobs: they aren't risking deportation every time they leave the house. So they can stumble around with the language barrier in public and put their kids through schools, or even just the simple benefits like being able to call the cops if you need them without risking that the cops will call ICE on you.

/this level of ignorance really gets to me.


Well we should grab a beer then. Because I really hate mexicans.
 
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