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2012-07-26 04:44:04 PM  
Nothing says religious freedom like state enforced apostasy.
 
2012-07-26 05:12:38 PM  
Give beer to those who are perishing and wine to those who are in anguish; let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.
- Proverbs 31:6-7


I like it. Let's start with this one.
 
2012-07-26 05:18:02 PM  
We're like 26th in math proficiency worldwide. So how about you read your Bible stories on your own time.
 
2012-07-26 05:24:22 PM  
Sure, let's do that. But let's also make sure that every Sunday before service starts in every church in Texas, that we read an excerpt from Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species or Newton's Principia Mathematica.
 
2012-07-26 05:28:08 PM  
ah, republicans. "tonight we're gonna party like it's 1899."
 
2012-07-26 05:59:27 PM  
I have an idea. All state representative women from Texas should stay home and be barefoot in the kitchen.
 
2012-07-26 06:28:36 PM  
If schools are forced to start the day with a reading from a book of fiction, I propose using the works of Robert Heinlein.

At least that way, the kids might get some advice or information they could use.
 
2012-07-26 06:39:09 PM  
How about a reading from the Lectitio Divinitatus instead? It'd be more relevant.
 
2012-07-26 06:40:13 PM  
Religious freedom for some, tiny american flags for others.
 
2012-07-26 06:43:05 PM  

SilentStrider: How about a reading from the Lectitio Divinitatus instead? It'd be more relevant.


did you know there's a new Adeptus Mechanics book out on the Black Library site? I just downloaded it last night.
 
2012-07-26 06:45:47 PM  
There's 52 weeks in a year, give or take some days.

There's less than 52 weeks in a school year.

There's more than 52 religions.

Introduce comparative religious studies. One week of sound bytes on each religion, opt in. That's how the first amendment should work. Lawmakers want god in the classroom, it's not prohibited. So, let's let Loki and Thor and Jove and Ra and Osiris and Aphrodite and Freya and Apollo and Heracles and Krishna and Amida and Kanon and Inari and Bentaizen and Kali and Legba and the Baron in too. Make a party of it.
 
2012-07-26 06:50:06 PM  
The Bible is awesome!
 
2012-07-26 06:55:28 PM  

gilgigamesh: We're like 26th in math proficiency worldwide. So how about you read your Bible stories on your own time.


Not really.

I work extensively with Japanese students and I can assure you their neither the best nor the brightest naturally. They just want to fark around, talk about gossip, and play sports like every other group of students.

The only difference is their school system is set up to be a serious battery of tests. Every school has a massively hard entrance exam to get through in order to become a student. Those who fail are relegated to public schools and vocational schools. In order to prep their kids, the parents send them to juku, or cram schools, many nights. It's a massive investment and pretty much assures you kid has a harder work schedule than most businessmen ever will. It's also why so many kids here snap and commit suicide. (that and the whole class atmosphere itself, but that's another story)

But that's it. They just do the tests. After that, it's pfft. In one ear, stays for the time it takes to pass, out again unless they're into it. Just like Americans.
 
2012-07-26 06:56:43 PM  
Texas will become the penal colony for the New America.
 
2012-07-26 07:14:02 PM  
Yes indeed, let us read the wisdom:

Lust not after her beauty in thy heart; Neither let her take thee with her eyelids.

Genesis 25:30 (Holman Christian Standard Bible)
He said to Jacob, "Let me eat some of that red stuff, because I'm exhausted."


Proverbs 21:19 (New Living Translation)
It is better to live alone in the desert than with a crabby, complaining wife.


Proverbs 27:15-16 (New Living Translation)
A quarrelsome wife is as annoying as constant dripping on a rainy day. Stopping her complaints is like trying to stop the wind or trying to hold something with greased hands.
 
2012-07-26 07:19:22 PM  
Secede you f*ckers
 
2012-07-26 07:26:26 PM  

doglover: I work extensively with Japanese students and I can assure you their neither the best nor the brightest naturally. They just want to fark around, talk about gossip, and play sports like every other group of students.


Well, but there *is* a difference at the top ends of performance across cultures. I saw/see it in CS/IT very explicitly.

From the exposure I had to Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Indian colleagues in college and in the general workforce, their education system makes them very good at skills that are obtained from rote learning, but when they are presented with a problem that isn't immediately solvable by that rote learning, their solution to it will (typically) be an iterative conglomerate of those rote skills instead of spending time to find a new and elegant solution to the situation.

But also, I was reading a fascinating interview with the Editor-in-Chief of Yen Press (American comic publisher). She said that in getting Korean and American submissions for comics/series from independent creators, the general trend was that Korean creators had excellent art skills, but when it came to stories they routinely were overly formulaic. Conversely, the American submissions frequently lacked high levels of artistic refinement, but their stories were much more often creative and "out of the box".

The implementation of comic art is a *rote* skill. Sure, there are individual variations, but there's standard things you need to learn about and implement over and over again. Storytelling very much is not.

Obviously there are exceptions to the rule, and *most* students in the first world generally are of the profile that you talked about, but in my experience, while the Japanese, Koreans, Indians, etc etc are definitely not all master machines of learning, there's definitely situations where they excel because of the cultural learning style, while, in the US, we excel in other formats.
 
2012-07-26 08:11:57 PM  
Imagine the outrage if it was made as a suggestion to use Songs of Solomon instead
 
2012-07-26 08:14:28 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Texas will become the penal colony for the New America.


I thought Florida was our penile colony.
 
2012-07-26 08:17:48 PM  

cman: Imagine the outrage if it was made as a suggestion to use Songs of Solomon instead


Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
I said, "I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit."
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
and your mouth like the best wine.
 
2012-07-26 08:23:17 PM  
John Galt's speech from "Atlas Shrugged". All 60 pages of it.
 
2012-07-26 08:24:52 PM  
Fark is [WINNING] today, lot of A+ headlines, would vote again, 5 thumbs up.
 
2012-07-26 08:26:07 PM  

DarwiOdrade: cman: Imagine the outrage if it was made as a suggestion to use Songs of Solomon instead

Your stature is like that of the palm,
and your breasts like clusters of fruit.
I said, "I will climb the palm tree;
I will take hold of its fruit."
May your breasts be like clusters of grapes on the vine,
the fragrance of your breath like apples,
and your mouth like the best wine.


And that's just some of the mild stuff.
 
2012-07-26 08:27:13 PM  
ps: religion cripples a thinking mind, and I am forever scarred by the 12 years of catholic schooling i received, just fyi.

/everybody lies
//and i mean EVERYBODY
 
2012-07-26 08:27:15 PM  

Huggermugger: John Galt's speech from "Atlas Shrugged". All 60 pages of it.


No dice - a classroom is legally a workplace, and OSHA applies.
 
2012-07-26 08:27:59 PM  
I liked Ezekiel 23: 19-20 before Stephen T. Colbert mentioned it on his show.
 
2012-07-26 08:28:19 PM  

doglover: There's 52 weeks in a year, give or take some days.

There's less than 52 weeks in a school year.

There's more than 52 religions.

Introduce comparative religious studies. One week of sound bytes on each religion, opt in. That's how the first amendment should work. Lawmakers want god in the classroom, it's not prohibited. So, let's let Loki and Thor and Jove and Ra and Osiris and Aphrodite and Freya and Apollo and Heracles and Krishna and Amida and Kanon and Inari and Bentaizen and Kali and Legba and the Baron in too. Make a party of it.


I don't remember some of those. Which ones are Goa'uld again?
 
2012-07-26 08:28:46 PM  

doglover: There's 52 weeks in a year, give or take some days.

There's less than 52 weeks in a school year.

There's more than 52 religions.


Yeah, but the top 4 make up something like 75% of the human species.
 
2012-07-26 08:32:35 PM  
There should be one day a week when I can legally slap the shiat out of any person I choose. This week it would be this coont.
 
2012-07-26 08:33:46 PM  
This nation was built on Christian and Jewish values and the Bible was actually used in the classrooms in our early days.

Nice... Now that it's trendy to "like" Jews(Or un-P.C. to 'not' like them), suddenly they were part of our Nation's founding. I can guarantee you that 40 or so years ago, a statement like this would have gotten someone's house burned down. either way, this biatch is just adding it to the discussion to sound like she is tolerant of(almost) all religions...
 
2012-07-26 08:33:53 PM  
If you are going to teach from a book of short story fiction, at least pick a better one.
 
2012-07-26 08:35:02 PM  
In before "The Constitution doesn't say anything about 'the separation of church and state.'"
 
2012-07-26 08:40:25 PM  

Cheesus: I don't remember some of those. Which ones are Goa'uld again?


All of them, although Jesus might have been a Tok'ra.
 
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2012-07-26 08:42:06 PM  
"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion",- Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously from the U.S. Senate on June 7, 1797 and signed by John Adams, taking effect as the law of the land on June 10, 1797.
 
2012-07-26 08:42:53 PM  
Debbie Riddle Has An Idea

So does the Bible: Ephesians 5:22-24 - Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the Saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

So STFU, and if you want to say something, let your husband speak for you like the Bible commands.
 
2012-07-26 08:43:12 PM  
What about a poster featuring variations of "The Golden Rule" from multiple faiths, creeds and philosophies?
 
2012-07-26 08:43:26 PM  

Weaver95: SilentStrider: How about a reading from the Lectitio Divinitatus instead? It'd be more relevant.

did you know there's a new Adeptus Mechanics book out on the Black Library site? I just downloaded it last night.


Might have to check this out.
 
2012-07-26 08:43:38 PM  

Cheesus: Introduce comparative religious studies. One week of sound bytes on each religion, opt in. That's how the first amendment should work. Lawmakers want god in the classroom, it's not prohibited. So, let's let Loki and Thor and Jove and Ra and Osiris and Aphrodite and Freya and Apollo and Heracles and Krishna and Amida and Kanon and Inari and Bentaizen and Kali and Legba and the Baron in too. Make a party of it.

I don't remember some of those. Which ones are Goa'uld again?


The Norse one's. Loki, Thor, and Freya.
IIRC Inari was a high class callgirl. Lets save that oen for parent/teacher day so I can audit.
 
2012-07-26 08:44:17 PM  
gilgigamesh: We're like 26th in math proficiency worldwide. So how about you read your Bible stories on your own time.

the bible calculated pi to be 3, so don't encourage them.
 
2012-07-26 08:45:42 PM  
Cum ye not within her, but withdraw and lavish her body with your gifts
 
2012-07-26 08:46:16 PM  
FTA: some trotted out the "If only we had prayer in schools" argument as a solution for preventing such tragedies

Timothy McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic, regularly attended mass and eventually received his confirmation. Look at how swell he turned out after a childhood of prayer.
 
2012-07-26 08:46:44 PM  
As we all know, nations with strong religious elements in public life and the government, are some of the most peaceful, non-violent places on Earth.

Ex: Iran, Mexico, Egypt, Afghanistan, Israel.....
 
2012-07-26 08:49:22 PM  

Dinjiin: FTA: some trotted out the "If only we had prayer in schools" argument as a solution for preventing such tragedies

Timothy McVeigh was raised Roman Catholic, regularly attended mass and eventually received his confirmation. Look at how swell he turned out after a childhood of prayer.


You know who else was raised Roman Catholic?

That's right, child molesting priests.
 
2012-07-26 08:53:12 PM  
Flappyhead: You know who else was raised Roman Catholic?

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-07-26 08:55:04 PM  
I've seen a lot of batshiat crazy libertarian Randroid cultists lately in the comments my local news websites. Thank goodness I never see such people on Fark, although if I did, I certainly would not call them "Retards" because name-calling is wrong -- no matter how truthful the names are -- and I would certainly never assign Grey 5 to them or ignore them outright.

Also, on a totally unrelated note, I've been reading this thread, and I'm very curious about this post:

Huggermugger: John Galt's speech from "Atlas Shrugged". All 60 pages of it.


Are you being serious or sarcastic, Huggermugger?
 
2012-07-26 08:55:45 PM  
To be followed up in the daily rounds of old cranky relative email forwards by: "FW: FW: FW: FW: FW: SHARIA LAW BEING TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS IN NEW YORK, FARTBONGO GOFISHAMA SUPPORTS IT WITH A 200 TRILLION DOLLAR GRANT, TAKE BACK AMERICA"
 
2012-07-26 08:56:42 PM  
Debbie, it's almost like Solomon could look into the future and see YOU.

Like snow in summer or rain in harvest, so honor is not fitting for a fool.
Like a sparrow in its flitting, like a swallow in its flying, a curse that is causeless does not alight.
A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the back of fools.
Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes.
Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence.
Like a lame man's legs, which hang useless, is a proverb in the mouth of fools.
Like one who binds the stone in the sling is one who gives honor to a fool.
Like a thorn that goes up into the hand of a drunkard is a proverb in the mouth of fools.
Like an archer who wounds everyone is one who hires a passing fool or drunkard.
Like a dog that returns to his vomit is a fool who repeats his folly.

Proverbs 26:1-11
 
2012-07-26 08:58:13 PM  
"This nation was built on Christian and Jewish values..."

I always stop listening to anyone once they utter the above. If you don't respect the Constitution that's your deal, but don't expect me to listen to your inane rambling.
 
2012-07-26 08:58:31 PM  
Proverbs 30:20 This is the way of the adulteress; she eats wipes her mouth and says I have done nothing wrong.
 
2012-07-26 09:00:55 PM  

Pincy: "This nation was built on Christian and Jewish values..."


Whoa, wait, what?
 
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