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(Female First)   There's a drought. The city enacts water restrictions. Your grass turns brown. Oh, did I mention that you have an HOA?   (femalefirst.co.uk) divider line 439
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2012-07-26 01:02:28 PM
Break out the green paint.
 
2012-07-26 01:07:02 PM
Out of curiosity, why don't HOAs seriously impact the value of a home? If I'm moving to a house and there's a HOA, you'd better believe that I would pay 30k more for the same place without a HOA.

Are people really dumb enough to think that at some point the HOA won't go nuts and start fining them for their flag/garden/dry lawn/kids/wheelchair ramp/skin color?
 
2012-07-26 01:10:54 PM
Dry, is it?

i522.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-26 01:14:40 PM

SphericalTime: Out of curiosity, why don't HOAs seriously impact the value of a home?


They're intention is to actually increase value. It's a guarantee that your neighbor won't start letting chickens run around his yard which has a front-end loader parked by the garage.

But I'm with you. I don't want an HOA. And, yes, my neighbor has chickens, goats, and for a couple of years a large dozer in his yard. I do not care.
 
2012-07-26 01:24:53 PM
I would never move to a house in an HOA. I'd rather deal with my neighbor who has a constant rotation of boats in his driveway than some dickhead telling my I'm not watering my grass often enough.
 
2012-07-26 01:28:49 PM

jbuist: SphericalTime: Out of curiosity, why don't HOAs seriously impact the value of a home?

They're intention is to actually increase value. It's a guarantee that your neighbor won't start letting chickens run around his yard which has a front-end loader parked by the garage.


I understand that's the intent. I don't understand why it isn't counter productive.
 
2012-07-26 01:37:47 PM
so the options are get fined by the HOA or get by the city for exceeding water restrictions? rock and a hard place.
 
2012-07-26 01:42:11 PM

SphericalTime: Out of curiosity, why don't HOAs seriously impact the value of a home? If I'm moving to a house and there's a HOA, you'd better believe that I would pay 30k more for the same place without a HOA.

Are people really dumb enough to think that at some point the HOA won't go nuts and start fining them for their flag/garden/dry lawn/kids/wheelchair ramp/skin color?


I would imagine (I don't know for sure, but this is the only way it makes sense for me) is that the majority of HOAs aren't completely insane control freaks and actually have a set of reasonable rules with reasonable enforcement that prevent the more severe, disruptive, or undesirable activities that some people would do that would significantly impact property values or otherwise make the neighborhood an unpleasant place to live and the runaway rogue HOAs that we always hear about are a minority and are reported on simply because they are so unusual or extreme.

Or people are dumb and short sighted. Either or.
 
2012-07-26 01:55:54 PM

SlothB77: so the options are get fined by the HOA or get by the city for exceeding water restrictions? rock and a hard place.


Was going to say... doesn't the water restriction void/supersede the HOA rule here?
 
2012-07-26 01:59:44 PM

SphericalTime: Out of curiosity, why don't HOAs seriously impact the value of a home? If I'm moving to a house and there's a HOA, you'd better believe that I would pay 30k more for the same place without a HOA.

Are people really dumb enough to think that at some point the HOA won't go nuts and start fining them for their flag/garden/dry lawn/kids/wheelchair ramp/skin color?


HOAs were all about white flight and preventing brown people and white trash from moving next door and destroying YOUR property values. HOAs are filled with busy-body assholes who you HATE. Unless you are a robot who wants to be like everyone else.
 
2012-07-26 02:01:12 PM

sno man: SlothB77: so the options are get fined by the HOA or get by the city for exceeding water restrictions? rock and a hard place.

Was going to say... doesn't the water restriction void/supersede the HOA rule here?


Alas civic laws are completely separate from HOA rules. While they might be mutually exclusive, there is nothing to stop the HOAs from being assholes when they dont like you.
 
2012-07-26 02:02:20 PM
Anyone who lives in an HOA does not have any right to complain about the stupid shiat that happens to them.

You moved there because you wanted to control others. Don't whine when they're controlling you.
 
2012-07-26 02:05:54 PM

Aarontology: Anyone who lives in an HOA does not have any right to complain about the stupid shiat that happens to them.

You moved there because you wanted to control others. Don't whine when they're controlling you.


The common thought it 'well, I don't have to take care of my front lawn and every house looks the same and is kept up'. So basically lazy people who think they just joined a club.
 
2012-07-26 02:17:09 PM

namatad: Alas civic laws are completely separate from HOA rules. While they might be mutually exclusive, there is nothing to stop the HOAs from being assholes when they dont like you.


This. HOAs are what happens when you privatize governance. There's a reason we have governments, and a big part of that reason is to protect us from organizations like HOAs.
 
2012-07-26 02:18:48 PM

Nadie_AZ: The common thought it 'well, I don't have to take care of my front lawn and every house looks the same and is kept up'. So basically lazy people who think they just joined a club.


Pretty much. Or petty wannabe tyrants.
 
2012-07-26 02:18:54 PM
Sounds to me like she didn't water her lawn before the watering ban went into effect and now she's screwed.
 
2012-07-26 02:25:45 PM
Place gnomes on the brown spots. Water at night with a soap additive.
 
2012-07-26 02:29:30 PM

Aarontology: Anyone who lives in an HOA does not have any right to complain about the stupid shiat that happens to them.

You moved there because you wanted to control others. Don't whine when they're controlling you.


It must be nice to live in a place where you can find non-HOA housing that doesn't have you living next to junkies. Around here, you can't move into even a mediocre neighborhood without having to sign up for one.

That's the thing I hate the most about them. They're ratchets. They can spread, but they're designed to be permanent, so they never go away. It's a contractual cancer.
 
2012-07-26 02:29:55 PM
If she's watering to the maximum, her HOA board members' lawns should be just as brown, unless they're cheating. She could catch them and get it taken care of.
 
2012-07-26 02:38:07 PM
The HOA is being stupid with their timing. If this was an ongoing problem they should have pushed for the solution weeks ago back when doing something about bad spots in the lawn was doable.

Instead they wait until the homeowner is trapped by water restrictions and try and force their fine down her throat. 'Not about collecting the fine' my rear. Somebody needs to pay for the beer and pizza at the next board meeting, and they are sticking her with the bill.
 
2012-07-26 02:50:10 PM
PROPERTY VALUES!
 
2012-07-26 02:51:39 PM

SlothB77: so the options are get fined by the HOA or get by the city for exceeding water restrictions? rock and a hard place.


Is there a water restriction on spit? No? Then get out there and start spitting.
 
2012-07-26 03:02:54 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: It must be nice to live in a place where you can find non-HOA housing that doesn't have you living next to junkies


When I visited Denver, I was stunned by the number of planned communities broadly proclaiming their HOA governance out that way. Here on the east coast, HOAs are the exception, not the rule, and you can generally avoid them.
 
2012-07-26 03:04:29 PM

t3knomanser: on the east coast


I should refine that to "here in the northeast".
 
2012-07-26 03:11:48 PM

t3knomanser: Some 'Splainin' To Do: It must be nice to live in a place where you can find non-HOA housing that doesn't have you living next to junkies

When I visited Denver, I was stunned by the number of planned communities broadly proclaiming their HOA governance out that way. Here on the east coast, HOAs are the exception, not the rule, and you can generally avoid them.


That is pretty much an east-coast "Most neighborhoods have been here for 200 years" vs. the massive growth of various cities in the rest of the country, and new neighborhoods sprouting up everywhere. It is hard to have an HOA in an existing "neighborhood"... but it is basically the norm on any new subdivision.
 
2012-07-26 03:15:06 PM
Kill them and burn the bodies.
 
2012-07-26 04:12:07 PM
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,1
Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes all the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses
All went to the university,
Where they were put in boxes
And they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and lawyers,
And business executives,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course
And drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children
And the children go to school,
And the children go to summer camp
And then to the university,
Where they are put in boxes
And they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business
And marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
There's a green one and a pink one
And a blue one and a yellow one,
And they're all made out of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same.
 
2012-07-26 04:12:23 PM
Why are we getting "news" from a British website for something occuring in Denver Colorado?
 
2012-07-26 04:12:47 PM
There's a drought. The city enacts water restrictions. Your grass turns brown.

OH, THE HUMANITY!
 
2012-07-26 04:13:19 PM

dletter: but it is basically the norm on any new subdivision.


yeah around here the builder put them in so they can keep things nice a purty while finish the development.
 
2012-07-26 04:13:52 PM
That's what an HOA is for is to establish and maintain property values status quo.

/let's be honest now
 
2012-07-26 04:14:15 PM

Sybarite: Dry, is it?

[i522.photobucket.com image 275x183]


You're doing it wrong. The gas goes on the lawn of the president of the Homeowner's Association.
 
2012-07-26 04:14:19 PM
If you read the damn article you would notice that NINE MONTHS AGO her yard looked like crap and they told her to fix it, she did nothing about it and is now using a drought to cover her a$$.
 
2012-07-26 04:14:22 PM
Which is worse?

Living in a "historical district" or having a HOA?
 
2012-07-26 04:14:39 PM
If I was trying to buy a house in an HOA, I'd give the guy a loan for $HOMEVALUE, then put a lien on his house, and foreclose on him. House is mine and I don't sign shiat.
 
2012-07-26 04:14:43 PM

Nefarious: Break out the green paint.


planetgreen.discovery.com
 
2012-07-26 04:14:44 PM

t3knomanser: Some 'Splainin' To Do: It must be nice to live in a place where you can find non-HOA housing that doesn't have you living next to junkies

When I visited Denver, I was stunned by the number of planned communities broadly proclaiming their HOA governance out that way. Here on the east coast, HOAs are the exception, not the rule, and you can generally avoid them.


Because Denver is loaded with new developments and the east coast is old as shiat. HOAs started in the 60s, came in to prevalence in the 80s, mostly for new communities.

That said, the Denver area has probably the best HOA I've ever experienced(Highlands Ranch). Very cheap, maintains multiple high quality rec centers(olympic pools, sports fields, workout rooms, etc), maintains significant walking trails, creeks, and open nature spaces, etc. Yea, you need to put your dish on a certain part of your roof and you can't paint your house magenta, but the amenities are worth the pain sometimes.
 
2012-07-26 04:14:59 PM

Tigger: Kill them and burn the bodies.


Honestly I'd probably just wait until the middle of the night and run a hose from the head of the HOAs spigot and water my lawn with HIS water. He gets the water bill for his stupid ass policies and I get the HOA off my back. Problem solved.
 
2012-07-26 04:15:02 PM
Between my insane neighbor and our HOA, I hate my town. Oh and the fact that we pay the highest taxes in the area is the icing on the cake!

We plan to move somewhere with no neighbors within half a mile!
 
2012-07-26 04:15:18 PM

sno man: SlothB77: so the options are get fined by the HOA or get by the city for exceeding water restrictions? rock and a hard place.

Was going to say... doesn't the water restriction void/supersede the HOA rule here?


Step 1) Call the city to your house
Step 2) Setup video camera
Step 3) Water the lawn in front of city officials
Step 4) Get fined
Step 5) Sue the HOA
 
2012-07-26 04:15:24 PM

SphericalTime: Out of curiosity, why don't HOAs seriously impact the value of a home? If I'm moving to a house and there's a HOA, you'd better believe that I would pay 30k more for the same place without a HOA.

Are people really dumb enough to think that at some point the HOA won't go nuts and start fining them for their flag/garden/dry lawn/kids/wheelchair ramp/skin color?


The idea is to protect you against the guy that puts two Pontiacs up on blocks in his front yard and lets his "friendly" pit bulls roam the neighborhood. It's to protect you from douchebags. That HOAs often draw douchebags is an absolute fact, but the simple answer to that problem is the same as it is for any other elected committee. Vote them out.
 
2012-07-26 04:15:40 PM
1) HOA's enforce via contract
2) Contracts are void when execution would violate public policy

Non-issue. Overzealous HOA.

/3) Profit?
 
2012-07-26 04:16:46 PM

namatad: HOAs are filled with busy-body assholes who you HATE.


Whom. HOAs are filled with busy-body assholes whom you HATE. Such as myself.

/Just kidding!
 
2012-07-26 04:16:59 PM

Some 'Splainin' To Do: Aarontology: Anyone who lives in an HOA does not have any right to complain about the stupid shiat that happens to them.

You moved there because you wanted to control others. Don't whine when they're controlling you.

It must be nice to live in a place where you can find non-HOA housing that doesn't have you living next to junkies. Around here, you can't move into even a mediocre neighborhood without having to sign up for one.


My neighborhood's HOA free, though we had to go waaaay out into the county to find it. Only one family causes drama out here, but, unfortunately, they're our closest neighbors.

/hey, I'll try to build a fence on your property, then claim I did it because you're stalking me
//then I'll watch you through it like Anthony Perkins in Psycho
 
2012-07-26 04:17:14 PM
If you buy a house underneath an HOA, you might as well just drop a stack of signed, blank checks on the board's table and let them fill them out at their leisure. As if old busy-bodies and control freaks weren't enough of a pain when they had to harass you within the confines of the law.
 
2012-07-26 04:17:17 PM

dletter: t3knomanser: Some 'Splainin' To Do: It must be nice to live in a place where you can find non-HOA housing that doesn't have you living next to junkies

When I visited Denver, I was stunned by the number of planned communities broadly proclaiming their HOA governance out that way. Here on the east coast, HOAs are the exception, not the rule, and you can generally avoid them.

That is pretty much an east-coast "Most neighborhoods have been here for 200 years" vs. the massive growth of various cities in the rest of the country, and new neighborhoods sprouting up everywhere. It is hard to have an HOA in an existing "neighborhood"... but it is basically the norm on any new subdivision.


The midwest/upper-midwest also don't, typically have very many HOAs. Get into the Mountain states or the west coast and thats when you start seeing all that madness start.

I'd rather a condo than a house if I was subject to an HOA, but, then again, condo people tend to be nutters, too.
 
2012-07-26 04:18:15 PM

alienated: Little boxes on the hillside,
Little boxes made of ticky tacky,1

And they all look just the same.



Wow! Thank you so much for those copy-pasted song lyrics! They're relevant,
and have added so much to the discussion! Posting the complete lyrics to a song is ALWAYS AWESOME!


Thanks!
 
2012-07-26 04:19:47 PM
I remember dealing with a HOA - paid $500 a year for nothing...
 
2012-07-26 04:19:58 PM
Oh boy, is it already time for another HOA thread!? I can't wait to see what new opinions people will come up with this time! Last time, there - there was people who wanted to do whatever they want, and then there were people who thought it was valuable to pay a monthly fee for enforcement of certain rules decided upon by a local authority, and then there were people who yelled at the other people for not thinking the way they did.

/pulls trigger
 
2012-07-26 04:20:28 PM

mjohnson71: Why are we getting "news" from a British website for something occuring in Denver Colorado?


Because subby finds better submissions there?
 
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