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2012-07-26 10:26:16 AM
Oh the arch nemesis of me, Omar Ibrahim Ghalawanji, I see you have once again done the meeting with the other arch nemesis of me, Ali Saeedlou. Well let me say some things to you Misters Ghalawanji and Saeedlou. First of these things is that you have the nearly impossible to say names. The second of this is that I am usually one to see things from both sides but the friend of the enemy of me is also the enemy of me especially when he was previously the enemy of me in the first place which means that you are both still the enemies of me but now are more enemific for the desires of you to form the tag team. However let me give to you the warning. If you wish to begin the battle then so bring this.

The United States of America and that one ally of us who I am not sure who that might be these days but I guess maybe Canada or something will be like the Dream Team of Incredible Hulk Hogan and the Macho Man Randall Savage. You will not be like the Natural Disasters of Earthquake and Typhoon because they actually had the chance of winning. No Misters Saeedlou and Ghalawanji you will be like Los Conquistadors who were the jobbers in the tag team circle. This is the warning upon which you are given only one of. Let me have clarity. We will not be intimidated by you. We will send Seal Team 6 if this is necessary. They have killed Osama bin Laden and will single handedly take down the countries of both of you mark the words of me on this, brother. Oh yeah!
 
2012-07-26 10:28:52 AM
What Iran really said:

"Look you ignorant f*cktards, you've spent the last year killing every civilian you could get your hands on and you are still losing the war. I swear to Allah, I can't believe you have no idea how this proxy war sh*t works. We fund you; the Saudis fund the rebels; and we play a game of Risk with real people. Now you twatwaffles are f*cking this whole system up by losing and forcing us to get involved publicly. We should just kill you now and save ourselves the trouble. You know Hezbollah never gave us these kinds of problems, and they've been at war with Israel. WTF have you done lately?"
 
2012-07-26 10:55:55 AM
I don't get why the Syrian opposition leaders haven't sent their own strongly worded letter to Russia (and maybe even to Iran and China) that says something along the lines of: We understand that you had to support your ally Assad due to political considerations. We get it, it wasn't personal. But we all know where this is headed. He will inevitably fall and you would have been supporting a loser. The incoming new government would be willing to overlook what you had to do thus far and consider friendly relations in the future. But if you don't withdraw your support for Assad NOW, there would be no turning back. (in the case of Russia, they should emphasize). After we hand Assad and his collaborators and finis dragging them through the streets and shooting our guns in the air, our next order of business will be to expel your naval base from our territory and break off all diplomatic relations with your country and begin a military modernization program that will include no Russian built weapons. We will be eternally dickish to your country at every intentional forum and even support the USA and your other geopolitical adversaries in their disputes against you solely of spite. We will also ensure that our children and their children remember how your government stood in the way of our revolution, causing the deaths or fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters, ect, ect....
 
2012-07-26 11:40:56 AM

kbronsito: I don't get why the Syrian opposition leaders haven't sent their own strongly worded letter to Russia (and maybe even to Iran and China) that says something along the lines of: We understand that you had to support your ally Assad due to political considerations. We get it, it wasn't personal. But we all know where this is headed. He will inevitably fall and you would have been supporting a loser. The incoming new government would be willing to overlook what you had to do thus far and consider friendly relations in the future. But if you don't withdraw your support for Assad NOW, there would be no turning back. (in the case of Russia, they should emphasize). After we hand Assad and his collaborators and finis dragging them through the streets and shooting our guns in the air, our next order of business will be to expel your naval base from our territory and break off all diplomatic relations with your country and begin a military modernization program that will include no Russian built weapons. We will be eternally dickish to your country at every intentional forum and even support the USA and your other geopolitical adversaries in their disputes against you solely of spite. We will also ensure that our children and their children remember how your government stood in the way of our revolution, causing the deaths or fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters, ect, ect....


Because Russia and China like to reserve the right to be un-civil to their political and ethnic minorities. Why do you think they constantly vote against UNSC motions, proclamations, etc that involve populations rising up against their less-than-representative governments?

That is to say, the note would fall on deaf ears, because the Russians and Chinese see themselves all too easily standing in Assad's shoes.
 
2012-07-26 11:45:20 AM
Saeedlou did not elaborate about which experience or capabilities he had in mind.

I appreciate a good Photoshop as much as the next guy, but I fail to see how that will help Assad and his loyalists at this point.
 
2012-07-26 12:09:33 PM
Not our problem.
 
2012-07-26 12:27:39 PM
TheBeastOfYuccaFlats:

Because Russia and China like to reserve the right to be un-civil to their political and ethnic minorities. Why do you think they constantly vote against UNSC motions, proclamations, etc that involve populations rising up against their less-than-representative governments?

That is to say, the note would fall on deaf ears, because the Russians and Chinese see themselves all too easily standing in Assad's shoes.

they don't need assad in power in order to oppress their own people. they don't even need to vote in favor of added sanctions or UN intervention in order to do that. they can just abstain from some votes. For russia its more about arms sales and their military base in Syria. if they were offered a way to cut assad lose while saving face and keeping their base, i'd bet they'd do it.

at any rate, the USA is probably happy that russia and china are obstructing any UN sanctioned call for military intervention. We really have no stomach to get involved in the syrian conflict and they are giving us a way out.
 
2012-07-26 12:34:28 PM

kbronsito: they don't need assad in power in order to oppress their own people. they don't even need to vote in favor of added sanctions or UN intervention in order to do that. they can just abstain from some votes.


In the Russian or Chinese political mind, these things, these appearances, matter a great deal. It's why they do them.
 
2012-07-26 12:51:29 PM
Well, assholes gotta stick together

/wait.. that doesn't sound right...
 
2012-07-26 01:59:17 PM
Since the west is arming the rebels it would be completely fair for Iran to help the Syrian government any way it sees fit
 
2012-07-26 01:59:18 PM

WTF Indeed: What Iran really said:

"Look you ignorant f*cktards, you've spent the last year killing every civilian you could get your hands on and you are still losing the war. I swear to Allah, I can't believe you have no idea how this proxy war sh*t works. We fund you; the Saudis fund the rebels; and we play a game of Risk with real people. Now you twatwaffles are f*cking this whole system up by losing and forcing us to get involved publicly. We should just kill you now and save ourselves the trouble. You know Hezbollah never gave us these kinds of problems, and they've been at war with Israel. WTF have you done lately?"


WTF indeed
 
2012-07-26 02:03:08 PM
Isrsel attacks Syria to take control of the WMDs.
Iran, China, Russia & North Korea thump their chests.
Nuclear war is threatened.

And who knows what happens next.

Sooner or later the shiats going to hit the fan
 
2012-07-26 02:05:32 PM

Aarontology: Not our problem.


LOL
we only worry about genocides after they happen
 
2012-07-26 02:06:36 PM
There is no way this is a bad idea.....

img.thesun.co.uk
 
2012-07-26 02:10:20 PM
Moron here with a question:

What are the odds that a crumbling Syrian regime will lauch their 500+ missiles full of chemical weapons into Israel (they have nothing to lose, remember?), forcing Israel to invade them, and thus forcing Iran + Iraq + Lybia + half the world to invade Israel, causing WW3?

/Partially-serious question
 
2012-07-26 02:10:59 PM

kbronsito: I don't get why the Syrian opposition leaders haven't sent their own strongly worded letter to Russia .


This is the problem, they don't have any overall leaders. The rebel forces are a coalition of militias. They are becoming better organised and are starting to co-ordinate better, but don't have a hierarchy by any stretch of the imagination.
 
2012-07-26 02:11:31 PM
Iran's strategy has long been to win the Arab street with bluster while trying to gain legitimacy in the eyes of the world as the regional power broker for the middle east. Putting themselves on the wrong side of a "people's revolution" seems quite counterintuitive from that perspective unless they think Assad will ultimately retain power.
 
2012-07-26 02:12:38 PM
That clinches it. meow said the dog is my favorite person on fark.
 
2012-07-26 02:12:44 PM
What are the odds that a crumbling Syrian regime will launch their 500+ missiles full of chemical weapons into Israel

Slim to none. Everybody and their brother knows Israel's only option is to overreact, and then it's an even bigger mess to deal with.
 
2012-07-26 02:14:03 PM
Sigh...why can't some violent but benevolent alien race come and eat the middle east for us...for the good of mankind.
 
2012-07-26 02:14:17 PM

WTF Indeed: What Iran really said:

"Look you ignorant f*cktards, you've spent the last year killing every civilian you could get your hands on and you are still losing the war. I swear to Allah, I can't believe you have no idea how this proxy war sh*t works. We fund you; the Saudis fund the rebels; and we play a game of Risk with real people. Now you twatwaffles are f*cking this whole system up by losing and forcing us to get involved publicly. We should just kill you now and save ourselves the trouble. You know Hezbollah never gave us these kinds of problems, and they've been at war with Israel. WTF have you done lately?"


twatwaffles may be my new favorite insult. . . orrr curse word. Hmmm.
Thanks.
 
2012-07-26 02:17:29 PM

Jose628: Moron here with a question:

What are the odds that a crumbling Syrian regime will lauch their 500+ missiles full of chemical weapons into Israel (they have nothing to lose, remember?), forcing Israel to invade them, and thus forcing Iran + Iraq + Lybia + half the world to invade Israel, causing WW3?

/Partially-serious question


Not a moronic question at all. I'd say the odds of a strike on Israel are small...but not zero.

First, I'd say the regime is more likely to use them on its own citizens, if they get used at all.
(In that case, expect the reaction from the international hardline Muslim community to be...less than deafening, shall we say..)

"Best case" (always a relative phrase, in a situation like this), Syria's leaders are too busy with self-preservation (if they lose) or revenge/consolidation (if they win) to do a suicidal last-strike.
 
2012-07-26 02:17:51 PM

kbronsito: We understand that you had to support your ally Assad due to political considerations. We get it, it wasn't personal. But we all know where this is headed. He will inevitably fall and you would have been supporting a loser. The incoming new government would be willing to overlook what you had to do thus far and consider friendly relations in the future.


They have no chance with the new government no matter what they do.
 
2012-07-26 02:19:09 PM

Jake Havechek: What are the odds that a crumbling Syrian regime will launch their 500+ missiles full of chemical weapons into Israel

Slim to none. Everybody and their brother knows Israel's only option is to overreact, and then it's an even bigger mess to deal with.


I'm going to agree here. For now. Last I checked, Syria was fairly non-suicidal. BUT (Always a but), this is one of those flashpoint style situations that could result. The Balkans in the early 1900's and all that.
 
2012-07-26 02:19:12 PM

Jose628: Moron here with a question:

What are the odds that a crumbling Syrian regime will lauch their 500+ missiles full of chemical weapons into Israel (they have nothing to lose, remember?), forcing Israel to invade them, and thus forcing Iran + Iraq + Lybia + half the world to invade Israel, causing WW3?

/Partially-serious question



I would say if they get launched it would be just as the rebels break into the facilities. And we'll never really know who pushed which button.
 
2012-07-26 02:19:34 PM

Jake Havechek: What are the odds that a crumbling Syrian regime will launch their 500+ missiles full of chemical weapons into Israel

Slim to none. Everybody and their brother knows Israel's only option is to overreact, and then it's an even bigger mess to deal with.


I'd say slim, but, unfortunately, NOT 'none'. The regime sees its going down, but has time for one last blaze of glory, and nobody offers them asylum?

At that point they've got nothing left to lose: a US/Israeli retaliation strike would only hit rebels.

I could see them launching under those conditions.
 
2012-07-26 02:20:32 PM

magneticmushroom: That clinches it. meow said the dog is my least favorite person on fark.


/FTFY
 
2012-07-26 02:20:51 PM
Big world wide wars usually begin after the first 12 years of a new decade. What is going to be this centuries big war that will be talked about until the year 3000?

China is ilegally scooping up all the land it can in the south China sea.
Israel/Iran & Syria
North Korea/South Korea
The Arab spring
Argentina and its South American allies vs UK
US building missile defence system right off of Russia
 
2012-07-26 02:21:27 PM

Rich Cream: kbronsito: We understand that you had to support your ally Assad due to political considerations. We get it, it wasn't personal. But we all know where this is headed. He will inevitably fall and you would have been supporting a loser. The incoming new government would be willing to overlook what you had to do thus far and consider friendly relations in the future.

They have no chance with the new government no matter what they do.


I don't know the outcome. But I have a feeling the rebels will lose Aleppo soon. Syria is upping the weapons load..... and light arms are not going to hold on for ever.

Assad will stay. Rebels will get pushed back to the borders. A stalemate will occur. Just a guess.
 
2012-07-26 02:21:37 PM
In fact I think even the Arab League knows Assad is a punk, and they are waiting for him to screw himself up, hopefully with the least amount of carnage.
 
2012-07-26 02:25:02 PM
Israel does not want the rebels to take control of the WMDs... the rebels are being aided by Al Qaeda
Imagine those chemical weapons in the hands of AQ...

jesus christ
 
2012-07-26 02:25:08 PM

ontariolightning: Big world wide wars usually begin after the first 12 years of a new decade. What is going to be this centuries big war that will be talked about until the year 3000?


Wouldn't that just be the first two years of every decade?
 
2012-07-26 02:25:53 PM
the rebels are being aided by Al Qaeda

Is that fact or bullshiat?
 
2012-07-26 02:27:32 PM

Jake Havechek: the rebels are being aided by Al Qaeda

Is that fact or bullshiat?


Fact. AQ has taken full advantage of supporting the rebels in every country
during the Arab Spring
 
2012-07-26 02:30:03 PM
Iran: I will help you Syria for a treasure.
 
2012-07-26 02:30:16 PM
Link


CAIRO - It is the sort of image that has become a staple of the Syrian revolution, a video of masked men calling themselves the Free Syrian Army and brandishing AK-47s - with one unsettling difference. In the background hang two flags of Al Qaeda, white Arabic writing on a black field.
Related

Read the article
 
2012-07-26 02:37:17 PM
German intelligence estimates that "around 90" terror attacks that "can be attributed to organizations that are close to al-Qaeda or jihadist groups" were carried out in Syria between the end of December and the beginning of July, as reported by the German daily Die Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ). This was revealed by the German government in a response to a parliamentary question.


Link
 
2012-07-26 02:38:36 PM
Syria is Russia's stronghold in the middle east. You can bet drachmas to falafels Assad won't go down without one hell of a fight.
 
2012-07-26 02:38:57 PM

magneticmushroom: That clinches it. meow said the dog is my favorite person on fark.


Oh hello you are also the favorite person of me very much!
 
2012-07-26 02:39:13 PM
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2012-07-26 02:39:20 PM
The general leading Syria's armed rebellion cautioned yesterday that his forces remained dangerously divided and underfunded-and that al Qaeda and other jihadist groups are taking advantage of the confusion to gain a foothold in the ongoing conflict.

Link
 
2012-07-26 02:40:02 PM
Well, if the stars line up, a comet appears in the sky, and Jesus Christ Himself comes down and says "the Syrian rebels shall win!", no sane government would ever align itself with al qaeda, as chaos is their goal. Even that asshole Saddam would not give al qaeda the time of day, as terrorists have a way of turning on all governments, even those they claim to support.

So I'd think long and hard about whom you support in this conflict. Al Qaeda is nobody's friend.
 
2012-07-26 02:42:17 PM

Shaggy_C: ontariolightning: Big world wide wars usually begin after the first 12 years of a new decade. What is going to be this centuries big war that will be talked about until the year 3000?

Wouldn't that just be the first two years of every decade?


Well, let's see...we had, er World War One 1914-1919, so yeah, that fits.

Oh then again we had World War Two, 1939-45.

That's a total of two world wars...I'm not sure we can detect any trends in that to support the proposition. Oh yeah, there were big wars before that, but that's just 19th century Europe for you.

The idea that some numbers of years are more likely to produce wars than other more pressing factors, like politics or economics, is an odd one to put it politely.
 
2012-07-26 02:43:41 PM
Link

The crumbling regime of Syrian strongman Bashar Assad controls one of the largest chemical-weapons programs on earth, including mustard gas, sarin and VX nerve agent. Syria has mated these weapons with artillery shells and missilery. Open-source materials indicate that Syria has five major chemical-manufacturing facilities in and around the cities of Hama, Homs and Al-Safira, along with 45 chemical-weapons storage facilities. As Assad and his loyalists focus on survival and the Syrian military splinters, these stockpiles are growing increasingly vulnerable

Indeed, some chemical weapons have been moved in recent weeks but the growing fear is that they could fall into even less responsible hands. The candidates include: Hezbollah, which has strong ties to Assad's Syria; al-Qaeda, which is involved in the fighting; a rogue military faction bent on revenge; or a post-Assad regime controlled by jihadists. Any of these scenarios would pose a significant threat to U.S. and Canadian interests, to regional stability, and to the security of Western allies in Turkey, Jordan, Israel and Saudi Arabia. Making sure none of them transpire must be a priority as events unfold.
 
2012-07-26 02:45:25 PM

skodabunny: Shaggy_C: ontariolightning: Big world wide wars usually begin after the first 12 years of a new decade. What is going to be this centuries big war that will be talked about until the year 3000?

Wouldn't that just be the first two years of every decade?

Well, let's see...we had, er World War One 1914-1919, so yeah, that fits.

Oh then again we had World War Two, 1939-45.

That's a total of two world wars...I'm not sure we can detect any trends in that to support the proposition. Oh yeah, there were big wars before that, but that's just 19th century Europe for you.

The idea that some numbers of years are more likely to produce wars than other more pressing factors, like politics or economics, is an odd one to put it politely.


War of 1812. Britain was fighting the French as well during that time and the US.. I consider that world wide
 
2012-07-26 02:46:39 PM

namatad: Aarontology: Not our problem.

LOL
we only worry about genocides after they happen


Please. Where are your calls for military intervention in Sudan? Tibet? North Korea? The dozen other hell holes on this planet where the people are being brutalized by their governments?

Those places aren't as "sexy" so you don't care.
 
2012-07-26 02:47:53 PM
At least the tin-pot dictator that's falling this time was propped up by Russia, not us.

/Silver lining
 
2012-07-26 02:49:12 PM
Russia will back off as well, as they know Assad is a punk, but they don't want to be seen as picking a side.
 
2012-07-26 02:50:50 PM

Jake Havechek: Well, if the stars line up, a comet appears in the sky, and Jesus Christ Himself comes down and says "the Syrian rebels shall win!", no sane government would ever align itself with al qaeda, as chaos is their goal. Even that asshole Saddam would not give al qaeda the time of day, as terrorists have a way of turning on all governments, even those they claim to support.

So I'd think long and hard about whom you support in this conflict. Al Qaeda is nobody's friend.


Yep, ever since he was executed Iraq has been ground zero for scattered body parts. Iraqis would have been better off if US & UK left him alone. Yeah, sure he was a bad guy. A ruthless dictator whos committed war crimes. But whats been going on after this is a tragedy of epic proportions.
 
2012-07-26 02:53:25 PM

ontariolightning: Jake Havechek: Well, if the stars line up, a comet appears in the sky, and Jesus Christ Himself comes down and says "the Syrian rebels shall win!", no sane government would ever align itself with al qaeda, as chaos is their goal. Even that asshole Saddam would not give al qaeda the time of day, as terrorists have a way of turning on all governments, even those they claim to support.

So I'd think long and hard about whom you support in this conflict. Al Qaeda is nobody's friend.

Yep, ever since he was executed Iraq has been ground zero for scattered body parts. Iraqis would have been better off if US & UK left him alone. Yeah, sure he was a bad guy. A ruthless dictator whos committed war crimes. But whats been going on after this is a tragedy of epic proportions.


Jesus wept, you're dumb. You'll notice al qaeda did not have a foothold, and sectarian violence was non existent while Saddam was in charge.
 
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