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2012-07-26 09:52:40 AM
i know i shouldn't be, but i'm amazed that romney is running with this thing. it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business. all you have to do is watch the full quote. yet romney is doubling down on this lie on the stump and in TV ads. forget ethics and morals - how the fark is it legal for him to do this?
 
2012-07-26 10:06:30 AM

FlashHarry: how the fark is it legal for him to do this?


Lies are legal. Pretty much simple as that.
 
2012-07-26 10:13:47 AM

FlashHarry: it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business.


Doesn't really matter. If the plebes will buy Rmoney's line, he can take it all the way to the election. If there's no push by the media and the "common knowledge" dispensers to take away that narrative then it will sell.
 
2012-07-26 10:24:39 AM

FlashHarry: i know i shouldn't be, but i'm amazed that romney is running with this thing. it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business. all you have to do is watch the full quote. yet romney is doubling down on this lie on the stump and in TV ads. forget ethics and morals - how the fark is it legal for him to do this?


Honestly, I'd only actually heard the entire thing in context when NPR played it in full yesterday. Until then, I wasn't sure what Obama was talking about, but now I understand that when he said "they didn't build that", he meant the roads and highways, not their own business. Derp.

Yeah it's pretty thin with me, but it's apparently being propagandized pretty effectively. Most people vote based on soundbites and they're going full tilt with that.
 
2012-07-26 10:37:01 AM
Columbus Truck and Equipment was featured in a neighboring event and has received $6,643 in contracts with the Department of Defense

Wow, a whole $6,643 dollars. And not the argument Obama was making in the first place. Retarded.
 
2012-07-26 10:38:28 AM
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2012-07-26 10:44:17 AM
Mittens seems to forget that bain was created by his billionaire boss who arranged for 37 million seed money from other people and none of his money was involved. The nice billionaire gave mittens the company to run.
 
2012-07-26 10:45:29 AM
"We did build this"

On rock and roll?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-26 11:00:13 AM
It's kind of amazing that no one researched this and found businesses that didn't receive direct government assistance. I mean, all businesses benefit from infrastructure and things like that, but he could have at least avoided companies that were build using government grants and loans.

It reminds me of the medical malpractice reform they were pushing a few years ago where the doctors who appeared at their events kept turning out to be people who had lost their medical licenses or had terrible records of incompetence.

I'm beginning to wonder if Romney knows he is going to lose and is just in it for the attention.
 
2012-07-26 11:07:33 AM
Once again, I ask: does Romneybot not have anyone on his staff assigned to vet/reality check anything that they plan? I'm betting that TFA's authors got all of their data in about 30 minutes on Google.
 
2012-07-26 11:14:32 AM

vpb: I'm beginning to wonder if Romney knows he is going to lose and is just in it for the attention.


none of this is being reported by the mainstream media. why on earth would they bother trying to tell the truth?
 
2012-07-26 11:15:39 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Once again, I ask: does Romneybot not have anyone on his staff assigned to vet/reality check anything that they plan? I'm betting that TFA's authors got all of their data in about 30 minutes on Google.


The media don't do fact checking so why should they bother?
 
2012-07-26 11:44:51 AM
Wait, you mean Romney's a lying sack of shiat? No way.
 
2012-07-26 12:05:27 PM
I don't get Romney's approach to this. If you listen to the full speech it is clear he wasn't saying that business owners didn't build their businesses. He was saying they didn't build the roads, utilities, etc.

However, it was also clear that he was playing up the importance of these things while minimizing the time, skill, and risk that business owners put in. Romney could have easily run with the whole quote and made it a message about whether government services are a big or small part of business creation. Instead he went full derp.
 
2012-07-26 12:13:41 PM

Thoguh: I don't get Romney's approach to this. If you listen to the full speech it is clear he wasn't saying that business owners didn't build their businesses. He was saying they didn't build the roads, utilities, etc.


It appears the campaign is attempting to play to low-information voters who vote only based on soundbites. There are a frightening amount of people who are like that too.
 
2012-07-26 12:18:53 PM

make me some tea: Thoguh: I don't get Romney's approach to this. If you listen to the full speech it is clear he wasn't saying that business owners didn't build their businesses. He was saying they didn't build the roads, utilities, etc.

It appears the campaign is attempting to play to low-information voters who vote only based on soundbites. There are a frightening amount of people who are like that too.


Yeah, but it's not anyone who wouldn't be voting for him anyway.

But it's really all they have. It's nothing more than a distraction from Romney releasing his tax records.
 
2012-07-26 12:27:14 PM

Thoguh: I don't get Romney's approach to this.
...
Romney could have easily run with the whole quote and made it a message about whether government services are a big or small part of business creation. Instead he went full derp.

It appears to me you do get Romney's approach to this.
 
2012-07-26 12:36:31 PM

hillbillypharmacist: FlashHarry: how the fark is it legal for him to do this?

Lies are legal. Pretty much simple as that.


FOX News proved that in court several years ago.
 
2012-07-26 12:38:21 PM

FlashHarry: i know i shouldn't be, but i'm amazed that romney is running with this thing. it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business. all you have to do is watch the full quote. yet romney is doubling down on this lie on the stump and in TV ads. forget ethics and morals - how the fark is it legal for him to do this?


He does it because it works. Look at cheesedick in all these threads, arguing that Obama actually meant that the "that" referred to the business itself.
 
2012-07-26 12:39:02 PM
www.antecedent.co.uk
 
2012-07-26 12:39:56 PM

make me some tea: Thoguh: I don't get Romney's approach to this. If you listen to the full speech it is clear he wasn't saying that business owners didn't build their businesses. He was saying they didn't build the roads, utilities, etc.

It appears the campaign is attempting to play to low-information voters who vote only based on soundbites. There are a frightening amount of people who are like that too.


There might have been a small chance this could work, except fruitflies have a longer lifespan than such voters have attention spans.

Cheers.
 
2012-07-26 12:40:22 PM
leftycartoons.com
 
2012-07-26 12:40:40 PM
An idiot trying to capitalize on a grammatical error.

That's so classy it just might work.
 
2012-07-26 12:40:55 PM
Winning a contact to provide a service or product means someone else did it for you?

/subby fail
//i'm sure you didn't submit this yourself
 
2012-07-26 12:42:01 PM
read your constitution Libtards, it says it right there: You're entitled to your own opinion AND your own facts.
 
2012-07-26 12:43:56 PM

bartink: FlashHarry: i know i shouldn't be, but i'm amazed that romney is running with this thing. it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business. all you have to do is watch the full quote. yet romney is doubling down on this lie on the stump and in TV ads. forget ethics and morals - how the fark is it legal for him to do this?

He does it because it works. Look at cheesedick in all these threads, arguing that Obama actually meant that the "that" referred to the business itself.


The funny thing, is that all the examples he pulls proves the point Obama wasn't trying to make.

/Kind of wishes a politician would run on the social contract platform. Poor people form the largest voting block of people in the country outside of women or men.
//With huge cross sections.
 
2012-07-26 12:44:05 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Once again, I ask: does Romneybot not have anyone on his staff assigned to vet/reality check anything that they plan? I'm betting that TFA's authors got all of their data in about 30 minutes on Google.


It's pretty sad, actually, all Mittens is doing is parroting GOP talking points. If you want to know what Romney is going to say on any given day, just watch Fox & Friends that morning. I honestly can't decide if he actually means what he says or is just playing to the uninformed public. I also can't decide which option is worse.
 
2012-07-26 12:48:49 PM

soy_bomb: Winning a contact to provide a service or product means someone else did it for you?

/subby fail
//i'm sure you didn't submit this yourself


No, dumbass. No one has said that "someone else did it for you". You know that, though.
 
2012-07-26 12:49:38 PM
Um, duh? Conservatives don't like to be reminded of the things government does that work unless it involves killing brown people.
 
2012-07-26 12:49:44 PM
This is very possibly the straw that destroys the Obama Presidency and ushers in the end of America
 
2012-07-26 12:54:15 PM
IMHO, the best case for the saying that every business has relied upon the government isn't contracts, or roads, or bridges, or public education.

It's George Washington on the motherfarking dollar bill.

Without the government mandating that a single currency be accepted across the entire country we would have at worst a barter system, and at best 50 competing state currencies (one of the reasons we kicked the Articles of Confederation to the curb). How well would the economy work if Walmart only paid their employees or accepted payments in WalMartBucks? How exactly would I go to pay for a new car - would I work out a loan with the bank where I get a jeep today and send them a payment of 25 hours of computer programming services a month?

Find me one single business, no matter how bootstrappy, in this country that doesn't rely on the fact that they can take their dollar bills and buy something at any other business in the world. And then find me a private entity that could provide the same service and reliability.
 
2012-07-26 12:55:22 PM

make me some tea: Thoguh: I don't get Romney's approach to this. If you listen to the full speech it is clear he wasn't saying that business owners didn't build their businesses. He was saying they didn't build the roads, utilities, etc.

It appears the campaign is attempting to play to low-information voters who vote only based on soundbites. There are a frightening amount of people who are like that too.



We call them Republicans. Or Fark IndependentsTM
 
2012-07-26 01:00:13 PM
This "We did build this" reaction to a deliberate misinterpretation of the President's admittedly poorly chosen phrasing has gone on too long. Cut the shiat, dummies.

That said, loans and grants and subsidies ARE help from the government. Having the government as a client doesn't make your case, TP
 
2012-07-26 01:00:20 PM
Once they get rid of all government agencies and protections, I will be starting my I Stole This campaign.
 
2012-07-26 01:00:53 PM
This laughable.

Columbus Truck and equipment is business that has yearly revenues of several million and employees 100 people. Yeah, the $6600 really built the business.

Maybe it would mean something if she wasn't part of Obama's media team. I would believe Maureen Dowd more than this chick.

You exchange a good or service for fair price thats business. Doubt DOD went to these companies and said we want to build your business, here is a nominal amount now EXPAND and GROW.
 
MFL
2012-07-26 01:01:32 PM
FlashHarry: i know i shouldn't be, but i'm amazed that romney is running with this thing. it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business. all you have to do is watch the full quote. yet romney is doubling down on this lie on the stump and in TV ads. forget ethics and morals - how the fark is it legal for him to do this?

So Obama's campaign can call Romney a felon with no basis. but the Romney campaign can't use the president's own words against him?

1. I've seen the entire speech numerous time. Romney is not taking this thing out of context. Hell the entire speech is more offensive than that one line!

2. This thing has bigger legs than Bain Capital ever did. Romney would be stupid not to run with it. He is going to blugeon Obama with this up until election day.

3. The lines in this speech were borrowed from Liz Warren who has been saying this exact same thing on the stump for months and they went over like a lead baloon. This was no accident, just a very bad miscalculation.

Mitt Romney ought to do an infommercial the week of the election and just replay that speech in it's entirety over and over and over. It would be farking hilarious.
 
2012-07-26 01:02:07 PM
Jesus Tittyf*cking Christ I'm tired of this bullsh*t lie. Are we really this dumb as a country?
 
2012-07-26 01:02:45 PM
"We did built this"... *rolls eyes*

What a farking joke.

His tag line really should be, "I paid some peon as little as I could legally get away with to built this for me... and then made a tidy profit for myself".
 
2012-07-26 01:03:08 PM

FlashHarry: i know i shouldn't be, but i'm amazed that romney is running with this thing. it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business. all you have to do is watch the full quote. yet romney is doubling down on this lie on the stump and in TV ads. forget ethics and morals -


It is all he's got.
 
MFL
2012-07-26 01:04:06 PM
Buffalo77
This laughable.

Columbus Truck and equipment is business that has yearly revenues of several million and employees 100 people. Yeah, the $6600 really built the business.


Now lets see how much they've paid in taxes over the years.....you know.... just to be fair.
 
2012-07-26 01:05:05 PM
The sad thing is, people are buying the distortion. They refuse to admit the quote is out of context, and that in context, it made sense. I had someone literally tell me we are all entitled to our own context, and thus it's okay to edit it like that it if fits the narrative.

when I asked him to back up his arguments against the president by quoting something the president actually did, he told me he doesn't carry rocks for me and left the conversation.

that's literally who we are dealing with here: people who think that the narrative is more important then what actually happened.
 
2012-07-26 01:06:15 PM

Buffalo77: This laughable.

Columbus Truck and equipment is business that has yearly revenues of several million and employees 100 people. Yeah, the $6600 really built the business.

Maybe it would mean something if she wasn't part of Obama's media team. I would believe Maureen Dowd more than this chick.

You exchange a good or service for fair price thats business. Doubt DOD went to these companies and said we want to build your business, here is a nominal amount now EXPAND and GROW.



So, you're saying they committed fraud by accepting $6600 from the government that they didn't really need?
 
2012-07-26 01:06:49 PM

MFL: FlashHarry: i know i shouldn't be, but i'm amazed that romney is running with this thing. it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business. all you have to do is watch the full quote. yet romney is doubling down on this lie on the stump and in TV ads. forget ethics and morals - how the fark is it legal for him to do this?

So Obama's campaign can call Romney a felon with no basis. but the Romney campaign can't use the president's own words against him?

1. I've seen the entire speech numerous time. Romney is not taking this thing out of context. Hell the entire speech is more offensive than that one line!

2. This thing has bigger legs than Bain Capital ever did. Romney would be stupid not to run with it. He is going to blugeon Obama with this up until election day.

3. The lines in this speech were borrowed from Liz Warren who has been saying this exact same thing on the stump for months and they went over like a lead baloon. This was no accident, just a very bad miscalculation.

Mitt Romney ought to do an infommercial the week of the election and just replay that speech in it's entirety over and over and over. It would be farking hilarious.


No, the Obama campaign's contention is that he isn't a felon and that he was responsible for the actions of Bain Capital between 1999 and 2001 when he signed documents turned into the SEC stating he was the CEO.
 
2012-07-26 01:07:04 PM

MFL: Buffalo77
This laughable.

Columbus Truck and equipment is business that has yearly revenues of several million and employees 100 people. Yeah, the $6600 really built the business.

Now lets see how much they've paid in taxes over the years.....you know.... just to be fair.


Obviously they think it's valuable if they took the $6600. But no, they did it all on their own, right? Way to move the goalposts there.
 
2012-07-26 01:08:01 PM

Lord_Baull: Buffalo77: This laughable.

Columbus Truck and equipment is business that has yearly revenues of several million and employees 100 people. Yeah, the $6600 really built the business.

Maybe it would mean something if she wasn't part of Obama's media team. I would believe Maureen Dowd more than this chick.

You exchange a good or service for fair price thats business. Doubt DOD went to these companies and said we want to build your business, here is a nominal amount now EXPAND and GROW.


So, you're saying they committed fraud by accepting $6600 from the government that they didn't really need?


I don't think that's fraud.
 
2012-07-26 01:08:42 PM

Serious Black: MFL: FlashHarry: i know i shouldn't be, but i'm amazed that romney is running with this thing. it is crystal-clear that obama never said "you didn't build that" in reference to small business. all you have to do is watch the full quote. yet romney is doubling down on this lie on the stump and in TV ads. forget ethics and morals - how the fark is it legal for him to do this?

So Obama's campaign can call Romney a felon with no basis. but the Romney campaign can't use the president's own words against him?

1. I've seen the entire speech numerous time. Romney is not taking this thing out of context. Hell the entire speech is more offensive than that one line!

2. This thing has bigger legs than Bain Capital ever did. Romney would be stupid not to run with it. He is going to blugeon Obama with this up until election day.

3. The lines in this speech were borrowed from Liz Warren who has been saying this exact same thing on the stump for months and they went over like a lead baloon. This was no accident, just a very bad miscalculation.

Mitt Romney ought to do an infommercial the week of the election and just replay that speech in it's entirety over and over and over. It would be farking hilarious.

No, the Obama campaign's contention is that he isn't a felon and that he was responsible for the actions of Bain Capital between 1999 and 2001 when he signed documents turned into the SEC stating he was the CEO.


It's actually Romney's campaign that is arguing Romney is a felon, which is hilarious.
 
2012-07-26 01:08:55 PM

Grungehamster: The most hilarious thing is that Mitt Romney made sure to qualify his lines on the campaign trail to protect himself against charges that he's saying these businesses did everything themselves. You can sum up the arguments each side is making as:

Obama: "Yes personal drive, ingenuity and luck are a factor in a successful business, but the support of the community and government infrastructure are important too."

Romney: "Yes the support of the community and government infrastructure are a factor in a successful business, but personal drive, ingenuity and luck are important too."

Can't wait for a link of the Daily Show last night cutting back and forth between Obama's quote and Mitt saying the same damn thing to be greened. It is insane how this has continued to go on for so long.


It's not at all insane. You just have to keep in mind that whenever Obama says something, it's anti-American Godless socialist drivel, but whenever Romney says the exact same thing, it's patriotic God-fearing capitalist common sense.
 
2012-07-26 01:09:47 PM
This is the business version of "why do these homosexuals keep sucking my cock?"
 
2012-07-26 01:11:45 PM

Serious Black: It's not at all insane. You just have to keep in mind that whenever Obama says something, it's anti-American Godless socialist drivel, but whenever Romney says the exact same thing, it's patriotic God-fearing capitalist common sense.


sometimes it's an admission that he gets wood by firing people though
 
2012-07-26 01:14:50 PM

skullkrusher: Serious Black: It's not at all insane. You just have to keep in mind that whenever Obama says something, it's anti-American Godless socialist drivel, but whenever Romney says the exact same thing, it's patriotic God-fearing capitalist common sense.

sometimes it's an admission that he gets wood by firing people though


What's bad about that? I get a massive hard-on from firing people. It's better for my sex drive than taking Viagra and staring and naked pictures of Scarlett Johansson!
 
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