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(PJ Media)   NY Times admits:"[T]he (Obama campaign's) press office has veto power over what statements can be quoted and attributed by name." And that was the non-colluding with the White House part   (pjmedia.com) divider line 47
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2012-07-26 10:33:10 AM
"[T]he (Obama campaign's) press office has veto power over what statements can be quoted and attributed by name."

"Quote approval is standard practice for the Obama campaign, used by many top strategists and almost all midlevel aides in Chicago and at the White House."


Learn what "on-record" and "off-record" means. All sources define terms of use of quotes in interviews, and saying certain things can be directly quoted is part of that. It's part of the ethical tightrope all journalists half to walk that balances maintaining integrity and keeping sources available.

Generally, if a source wants a statement to be off the record, you accept that. Because otherwise you're going to lose that source. This isn't some exclusive Obama media manipulation, but one of the most standard aspects of journalism. You weigh the value of the quote against the value of the source's availability in the future, and generally you use that off the record statement not to directly attribute, but as a direction through which you independently verify the statement yourself. No, it's not clean or ideal, but neither is journalism.
 
2012-07-26 11:40:35 AM

Bloody William: "[T]he (Obama campaign's) press office has veto power over what statements can be quoted and attributed by name."

"Quote approval is standard practice for the Obama campaign, used by many top strategists and almost all midlevel aides in Chicago and at the White House."

Learn what "on-record" and "off-record" means. All sources define terms of use of quotes in interviews, and saying certain things can be directly quoted is part of that. It's part of the ethical tightrope all journalists half to walk that balances maintaining integrity and keeping sources available.

Generally, if a source wants a statement to be off the record, you accept that. Because otherwise you're going to lose that source. This isn't some exclusive Obama media manipulation, but one of the most standard aspects of journalism. You weigh the value of the quote against the value of the source's availability in the future, and generally you use that off the record statement not to directly attribute, but as a direction through which you independently verify the statement yourself. No, it's not clean or ideal, but neither is journalism.


Seriously. This isnt complicated.
 
2012-07-26 11:42:39 AM
I love the derp here:

20. cfbleachers
The Co-Conspirator Clandestine Press (CCCP) has been a one way street for more than four decades. It wasn't until the convergence of talk radio (the only outlet that gave an information-strangled nation an semi-mass outlet for truth), the internet and "pajama clad bloggers", and then Fox News...was there any resistance army capable of at least slowing down the propaganda, distortion and lies.

People don't realize how recent this all is. Fox News began in late 1996 to only 17 million cable viewers available universe. Rush Limbaugh did not broadcast nationally until 1988.

Most conservative political blogs that attracted any kind of audience did not do so until the 2000′s. Our own Glenn Reynolds started Instapundit in August, 2001. Our own Roger Simon did not open this site until 2004 and did not get the first round of funding until 2005.

To say that the "resistance" is still in its infancy compared to the entrenchment of the CCCPress would be a massive understatement.

To say that the manner in which the CCCPress reports is a one way street is to deny them the tactical brilliance it has taken for the traitors against truth to demolish and poison our information stream.

Not only are they whipped dogs, rolling over, fetching and humping the legs of their Fabian masters...they are trained attack dogs against any and all who resist the overthrow.

The fact that the NYTimes/DailyDuranty/MorningCockburn is willing to admit it beneath the thin veneer of mild and disingenuous protest is merely because the DurantyCockburn is part of the hyper-radical Soros wing that wants the overthrow to move faster, please.

This pro-Communist, anti-America rag has shown its true colors for decades for anyone that doesn't have a red-green color blindness built into their DNA.

Whether its Friedman slobbering over Maoism or Duranty/Cogburn fawning over Stalinism or its giving away state secrets and national security leaks like they were passing out Halloween candy...this despicable, traitorous group is not merely a one way street, doing NO "reporting" that uncovers misdeeds on the left...it is a one way back alley, doing dirty deals and committing thuggery against American interests, the free market, capitalism and any conservative they can get their hands on.

If you aren't with the resistance at this point, you are with the overthrow. And, that includes all the alphabet networks, the magazines, Soros sophistry blogs, hollywood and academia. It's a formidable force for treason. It has a forty year head start. And exposing them and their plot ought to be the sole purpose of our being.
 
2012-07-26 11:50:21 AM
In fact it was very specifically reported in the same article that:
The Romney campaign insists that journalists interviewing any of Mitt Romney's five sons agree to use only quotations that are approved by the press office. And Romney advisers almost always require that reporters ask them for the green light on anything from a conversation that they would like to include in an article.

Awful and terrible? Yes. Liberal media? No.
 
2012-07-26 12:05:39 PM
Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.
 
2012-07-26 12:15:30 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?


Paycheck must've come through.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-26 12:15:42 PM
That's normal journalistic practice, so it's not surprising that someone from Pajamas Media wouldn't know that. Or maybe he just can't pass up an opportunity to dream up a conspiracy.

That just makes the title of the article more comical. Journalism is dead at the NYT, as opposed to PJ media where it was never conceived in the first place.
 
2012-07-26 12:18:34 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.


Stop greening links I disagree with!
Grow up. Stop acting like a child.
 
2012-07-26 12:19:42 PM
This day in age where the GOP is literally OUTRAGED by EVERYTHING is getting really exhausting. Especially for the things that are completely standard practice and normal.
 
2012-07-26 12:21:30 PM
Ladies and gentlehobbits, our failed media experiment.

If you're talking to a reporter and want your next sentence to be off the record, you must say so. If you want your last sentence off the record, tough titties.
 
2012-07-26 12:23:25 PM
Isn't this a repeat?

Meh, sort of.

Oh, and What Peters told readers, in essence, is that White House officials, the Obama administration in general, the Obama for America campaign, the campaign of presidential challenger Mitt Romney (though the evidence Peters provided is thin and seems to relate largely to the candidate's family), and powerful Washington politicians on Capitol Hill are dictating what the press will print concerning their nonpublic statements and remarks - and that the press is, f

Oh, so it's everybody? *snore*
 
2012-07-26 12:24:02 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.


FWIW, there's a panty thread over on the Main tab.
 
2012-07-26 12:24:25 PM

MyRandomName: AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.

Stop greening links I disagree with!
Grow up. Stop acting like a child.


I'm gonna complain the next time Kos gets linked twice. That guy disagrees with me! It is an outrage!
 
2012-07-26 12:24:49 PM
Not only is Instadumbshiat greened twice in one day, he's got his own icon.

I seem to remember a book about the pernicious effects of publicizing crap.

img.fark.net

Oh, right.
 
2012-07-26 12:28:23 PM
NYTimes: "Politicians from both sides, including both Obama and Romney, demand quote approval, and we're sick of it."
PJMedia: "Did you hear that? They just said they only print what Obama wants them to print! Damn liberal lamestream MSL media!"
 
2012-07-26 12:29:28 PM

Zagloba: Ladies and gentlehobbits, our failed media experiment.

If you're talking to a reporter and want your next sentence to be off the record, you must say so. If you want your last sentence off the record, tough titties.


You should totally get a job in journalism and hold your sources to that standard. Let us know how it goes.
 
2012-07-26 12:31:12 PM

Pauly Math: AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.

FWIW, there's a panty thread over on the Main tab.


Well then...
 
2012-07-26 12:31:36 PM
It's almost as if they don't understand how anything works.
 
2012-07-26 12:33:16 PM
But honestly, hasn't true journalism been dead (or becoming increasingly difficult to find) for at least a decade if not longer. At least since the major news corps were bought up by the mega-corporations.
 
2012-07-26 12:38:07 PM
Amateurs

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-26 12:42:37 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.


"Heh. Indeed."

Glenn Reynolds is the Antonin Scalia of crappy bloggers.
 
2012-07-26 12:52:03 PM

MyRandomName: AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.

Stop greening links I disagree with!
Grow up. Stop acting like a child.


Spade: I'm gonna complain the next time Kos gets linked twice. That guy disagrees with me! It is an outrage!


It's not a disagreement. It's taking offense that such bullshiat is being passed off as valid criticism. They are upset about the very idea of on-the-record/off-the-record, a basic tenet of journalism, and ascribing it to a massive Obama-controlled media conspiracy. Do you consider that a valid point? Do you think this should be part of our political discourse? What is wrong with you?

Or are you under the assumption that conservatives have no valid viewpoints, and have to resort to crap like this in order to participate, and ignoring this kind of insanity amounts to silencing the only "substance" conservatives have to offer? I can see that.
 
2012-07-26 01:00:45 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: I love the derp here:

20. cfbleachers
The Co-Conspirator Clandestine Press (CCCP)...


Ho...ly.... crap.

I mean, uh, stop disagreeing with them! You're a baby! Or something.
 
2012-07-26 01:01:12 PM
My interviews don't involve people with egos this large (or with as much at stake) so I've never had to give way on the question of quote approval. "Off the record" isn't retroactive in my world, either.

But if I'm working a story where quote approval is the only way to get a person to talk, and there's no story without that person, I get my boss to sign off on it, if only to cover my tail.
 
2012-07-26 01:01:16 PM
On the Record: attributable by name
Off the Record: should not be used in media
On Background: not attributed but officially associated with organization
Not for Attribution: source identified only by general terms

Really, this ain't complicated.
 
2012-07-26 01:12:56 PM
state-run media.
 
2012-07-26 01:14:45 PM

Car_Ramrod: It's not a disagreement


Yes it is, you are trying to shout down their perfectly valid dissenting opinions just because you disagree with their politics. Stop pointing out that they are lying about objectively observable reality, you mean lib :(
 
2012-07-26 01:17:22 PM

RsquaredW: On the Record: attributable by name
Off the Record: should not be used in media
On Background: not attributed but officially associated with organization
Not for Attribution: source identified only by general terms

Really, this ain't complicated.


shouldn't that be established before the quotes are made though?
 
2012-07-26 01:20:59 PM
That is wrong.

But lets put this into perspective:

The NY Times gets a little too cozy with democrats, admits and much, and conservatives get outraged and point to that as evidence of how the "liberal MSM media" is controlled by democrats.

In the meantime, Foxnews obviously and blatantly repeats GOP propaganda and misinformation over and over and over again, and constantly demonstrates that it is not a news organization, and is a a propaganda wing of the GOP, yet calls itself "fair and balanced." And conservatives don't seem to see anything wrong with that.

The cognitive dissonance amongst the GOP faithful is at insane levels. My favorite part is that they all purport to be "christians." Pretty much the #1 message Jesus conveyed was "don't be a hypocrite." Yet, here they are being hypocritical at every. single. turn.
 
2012-07-26 01:25:50 PM
Instapundit has no clue how journalists operate. Shocking.
 
2012-07-26 01:34:35 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: I love the derp here:

20. cfbleachers
The Co-Conspirator Clandestine Press (CCCP) has been a one way street for more than four decades. It wasn't until the convergence of talk radio (the only outlet that gave an information-strangled nation an semi-mass outlet for truth), the internet and "pajama clad bloggers", and then Fox News...was there any resistance army capable of at least slowing down the propaganda, distortion and lies.

People don't realize how recent this all is. Fox News began in late 1996 to only 17 million cable viewers available universe. Rush Limbaugh did not broadcast nationally until 1988.

Most conservative political blogs that attracted any kind of audience did not do so until the 2000′s. Our own Glenn Reynolds started Instapundit in August, 2001. Our own Roger Simon did not open this site until 2004 and did not get the first round of funding until 2005.

To say that the "resistance" is still in its infancy compared to the entrenchment of the CCCPress would be a massive understatement.

To say that the manner in which the CCCPress reports is a one way street is to deny them the tactical brilliance it has taken for the traitors against truth to demolish and poison our information stream.

Not only are they whipped dogs, rolling over, fetching and humping the legs of their Fabian masters...they are trained attack dogs against any and all who resist the overthrow.

The fact that the NYTimes/DailyDuranty/MorningCockburn is willing to admit it beneath the thin veneer of mild and disingenuous protest is merely because the DurantyCockburn is part of the hyper-radical Soros wing that wants the overthrow to move faster, please.

This pro-Communist, anti-America rag has shown its true colors for decades for anyone that doesn't have a red-green color blindness built into their DNA.

Whether its Friedman slobbering over Maoism or Duranty/Cogburn fawning over Stalinism or its giving away state secrets and national security leaks like they were passing out H ...


Wow. Just..... wow.
 
2012-07-26 01:35:47 PM

Chummer45: That is wrong.

But lets put this into perspective:

The NY Times gets a little too cozy with democrats and Republicans alike, admits and much, and conservatives get outraged and point to that as evidence of how the "liberal MSM media" is controlled by democrats.

In the meantime, Foxnews obviously and blatantly repeats GOP propaganda and misinformation over and over and over again, and constantly demonstrates that it is not a news organization, and is a a propaganda wing of the GOP, yet calls itself "fair and balanced." And conservatives don't seem to see anything wrong with that.

The cognitive dissonance amongst the GOP faithful is at insane levels. My favorite part is that they all purport to be "christians." Pretty much the #1 message Jesus conveyed was "don't be a hypocrite." Yet, here they are being hypocritical at every. single. turn.


FTFY.
 
2012-07-26 01:37:42 PM

birchman: This day in age where the GOP is literally OUTRAGED by EVERYTHING is getting really exhausting. Especially for the things that are completely standard practice and normal.


But didn't somebody make a promise about change? Standard practice and normal is not much of a campaign theme. "But we have always done it this way" does not mean you should keep doing it that way.
 
2012-07-26 01:39:46 PM

hasty ambush: birchman: This day in age where the GOP is literally OUTRAGED by EVERYTHING is getting really exhausting. Especially for the things that are completely standard practice and normal.

But didn't somebody make a promise about change? Standard practice and normal is not much of a campaign theme. "But we have always done it this way" does not mean you should keep doing it that way.


Fair enough, but when Obama has tried to enact change, they were OUTRAGED about that too.
 
2012-07-26 01:51:20 PM
WTF is this sh*t? Seriously, WTF is this sh*t?
 
2012-07-26 02:07:28 PM

hasty ambush: birchman: This day in age where the GOP is literally OUTRAGED by EVERYTHING is getting really exhausting. Especially for the things that are completely standard practice and normal.

But didn't somebody make a promise about change? Standard practice and normal is not much of a campaign theme. "But we have always done it this way" does not mean you should keep doing it that way.


I agree. Obama should've changed the fundamental ways in which journalism operates. No one would've been against that.
 
2012-07-26 02:07:33 PM

HeartBurnKid: hasty ambush: birchman: This day in age where the GOP is literally OUTRAGED by EVERYTHING is getting really exhausting. Especially for the things that are completely standard practice and normal.

But didn't somebody make a promise about change? Standard practice and normal is not much of a campaign theme. "But we have always done it this way" does not mean you should keep doing it that way.

Fair enough, but when Obama has tried to enact change, they were OUTRAGED about that too.


They're OUTRAGED that the man has the temerity to even EXIST.
 
2012-07-26 02:12:32 PM

Car_Ramrod: hasty ambush: birchman: This day in age where the GOP is literally OUTRAGED by EVERYTHING is getting really exhausting. Especially for the things that are completely standard practice and normal.

But didn't somebody make a promise about change? Standard practice and normal is not much of a campaign theme. "But we have always done it this way" does not mean you should keep doing it that way.

I agree. Obama should've changed the fundamental ways in which journalism operates. No one would've been against that.


the NYT article talks about the change happening of late. This isn't some long standing MO. He doesn't blame the BO administration specifically but rather the instant nature of twitter, obsession with gaffes etc. He says the Romney campaign also engaged in it. It is a sad turn of events.
 
2012-07-26 02:13:56 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.


Did someone at Fark appoint you the new Kvetch In Chief About Conservative Media? If you're afraid of contamination by foreign ideas, there's no need to keep biatching about it, just don't click.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-26 02:22:09 PM

hasty ambush: birchman: This day in age where the GOP is literally OUTRAGED by EVERYTHING is getting really exhausting. Especially for the things that are completely standard practice and normal.

But didn't somebody make a promise about change? Standard practice and normal is not much of a campaign theme. "But we have always done it this way" does not mean you should keep doing it that way.


That's like complaining about failure to "change" because he didn't paint the White House red. You're right, he hasn't changed every single facet of the President's existence. Some things remain (and always will remain) status quo.
 
2012-07-26 02:25:08 PM
You can tell which way a story goes on the politics tab just by looking at the number of comments.
 
2012-07-26 02:38:20 PM
static6.businessinsider.com

Liberal media indeed.
 
2012-07-26 02:40:40 PM
Chummer45

That is wrong.

But lets put this into a warped perspective:
The NY Times gets a little too cozy with democrats, admits and much, and conservatives get outraged and point to that as evidence of how the "liberal MSM media" is controlled by democrats.

In the meantime, Foxnews obviously and blatantly repeats GOP propaganda and misinformation over and over and over again, and constantly demonstrates that it is not a news organization, and is a a propaganda wing of the GOP, yet calls itself "fair and balanced." And conservatives don't seem to see anything wrong with that.

The cognitive dissonance amongst the GOP faithful is at insane levels. My favorite part is that they all purport to be "christians." Pretty much the #1 message Jesus conveyed was "don't be a hypocrite." Yet, here they are being hypocritical at every. single. turn.



FTFY
 
2012-07-26 03:28:12 PM

MyRandomName: AdolfOliverPanties: Two greened InstaPundit links on the same morning? WTF, mods?

It's not Fark, It's Derp, and blogs that suck.

Stop greening links I disagree with!
Grow up. Stop acting like a child.


If they grow up and act mature then the Politics tab would be nearly empty, and we can't have that, can we?
 
2012-07-26 05:20:46 PM

TofuTheAlmighty: Not only is Instadumbshiat greened twice in one day, he's got his own icon.

I seem to remember a book about the pernicious effects of publicizing crap.

[img.fark.net image 236x354]

Oh, right.


The book, it's.... a cookbook how to manual!
 
2012-07-26 06:50:40 PM

Bloody William: "[T]he (Obama campaign's) press office has veto power over what statements can be quoted and attributed by name."

"Quote approval is standard practice for the Obama campaign, used by many top strategists and almost all midlevel aides in Chicago and at the White House."

Learn what "on-record" and "off-record" means. All sources define terms of use of quotes in interviews, and saying certain things can be directly quoted is part of that. It's part of the ethical tightrope all journalists half to walk that balances maintaining integrity and keeping sources available.

Generally, if a source wants a statement to be off the record, you accept that. Because otherwise you're going to lose that source. This isn't some exclusive Obama media manipulation, but one of the most standard aspects of journalism. You weigh the value of the quote against the value of the source's availability in the future, and generally you use that off the record statement not to directly attribute, but as a direction through which you independently verify the statement yourself. No, it's not clean or ideal, but neither is journalism.


Done in one though also add not for attribution, on background and embargoed.
 
2012-07-27 12:30:50 AM
What Peters described has gotten the outraged attention of ideological opposites Joseph Farah and Ellen Ratner at WND.com - and that's about it.

well if WND has it we can rest easy. it will get the attention it so rightly deserves now.
 
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