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(Guardian)   Having successfully exported Southern culture to the rest of the U.S., evangelical Christians have now turned their sights on transforming Africa into a homophobic right-wing paradise   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 81
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2012-07-26 10:00:23 AM  
Doesn't surprise me.
 
2012-07-26 10:06:18 AM  
C'mon, Subby. They're just promoting Family values.

Even if it means partnering with despots, tyrants, mass murderers and directors of genocide.

Lucky that Africa has none of those.
 
2012-07-26 10:20:55 AM  
i.qkme.me
 
2012-07-26 10:25:20 AM  
C'mon subby, Africa has been murdering homosexuals for decades if not centuries, same as the Middle East.
Time to quit blaming US Christians for all your problems.
Oh, and quit giving the faith to the right wingers, call them out on their hypocrisy instead.
 
2012-07-26 10:25:52 AM  
American exporting bigotry is probably one of the most shameful things we have done as a nation in a while, so that's nice...
 
2012-07-26 10:27:48 AM  
Remember when everybody was giving Bush props for giving money to Africa back in the day?

Yeah, a lot of that money went to farked up fundie groups who displaced real NGOs and did more harm than good.

And now we get this. Charming.

/The modern GOP are the biggest threat the US faces today.
//They are evil and they want to be patted on the back for their efforts.
 
2012-07-26 10:28:13 AM  
Southerners. Has there ever been a region where the average schmuck worked as hard, and lost so much, to continually prop up a gentrified aristocracy that cares nothing for them? From the Civil war, through civil rights, into today, people of the south seem to have some 'we're not worthy thing' going on as they continue to subjugate, and subject themselves to, some of them meanest and stupidest groups available. It looks like common sense and a bit of self worth are things that can be added to the list of things not rising again real soon in the south.
 
2012-07-26 10:28:26 AM  
Well, Africa is already largely misogynistic, so they're actually ahead of the game.
 
2012-07-26 10:28:46 AM  
Is this a repeat from 1271?
 
2012-07-26 10:29:21 AM  
Isn't it obvious that Africa's big problem is a lack of bootstrappiness?
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-26 10:30:31 AM  
They've been doing this for years. They can probably even teach a few things to the people here on how to make quick and horrific deaths for their enemies(/THOSE EVIL SINNERS) except we have laws that prevent some of the crap that happens there. Whole tribes and towns don't get burned down in the US all that often anymore.
 
2012-07-26 10:31:15 AM  
They think if they stop black people in Africa, then they will stop immigrating to the US and clogging up all of our ghettos
 
2012-07-26 10:31:34 AM  
I got news for ya. The Africans don't need anybody's help to be homophobic. They're doing a pretty good job on their own.
 
2012-07-26 10:32:09 AM  
FTFA:Each of these "frame their agendas as authentically African, in an effort to brand human rights advocacy as a new colonialism bent on destroying cultural traditions and values", the report says.

Africans eat up this kind of shiat too. So it basically works like this:

Western Missionary: Hey! Gays are bad! BTW when you die you'll go to heaven!
Africans: OK that sounds cool!
UN Human Rights Advocate: Hey, um... gay people are the only major group of people not included in the Declaration of Human Right. Since you guys got 63 countries it would be nice if you helped us change that...
Africans: Imposing your immoral Western values on us! Colonialist!

/comparative politics major
 
2012-07-26 10:34:16 AM  

socodog: I got news for ya. The Africans don't need anybody's help to be homophobic. They're doing a pretty good job on their own.


You accidentally made the point. The whole thing.
 
2012-07-26 10:35:50 AM  
The indigenous peoples there are already almost all Islamic, hard-core evangelical Christians, or devoted to folk religions that value male stereotypes. American conservative evangelicals don't need to do shiat to make them homophobic.
 
2012-07-26 10:37:37 AM  

socodog: I got news for ya. The Africans don't need anybody's help to be homophobic. They're doing a pretty good job on their own.


They've had longer than anybody to become civilized and yet can't even manage to brew a decent beer.
 
2012-07-26 10:38:20 AM  

rudemix: Southerners. Has there ever been a region where the average schmuck worked as hard, and lost so much, to continually prop up a gentrified aristocracy that cares nothing for them? From the Civil war, through civil rights, into today, people of the south seem to have some 'we're not worthy thing' going on as they continue to subjugate, and subject themselves to, some of them meanest and stupidest groups available. It looks like common sense and a bit of self worth are things that can be added to the list of things not rising again real soon in the south.


No no no you got it all wrong. Southerners are just easy to please. They're content with simply not being a n**ger, why aren't you?
 
2012-07-26 10:38:21 AM  
The trend among evangelicals in this country is to import African pastors or priests from Anglican churches in Uganda or Nigeria because they haven't been polluted with all of our American love and tolerance and don't-kill-the-f*gs tripe.
 
2012-07-26 10:38:25 AM  
what could it hurt?
 
2012-07-26 10:38:39 AM  
How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle
 
2012-07-26 10:39:55 AM  

Cato: How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle


Hurrrrrrr.
 
2012-07-26 10:40:01 AM  
You know, the reality is that they are causing enough problems right here in the US, that I am having a hard time getting worked up about what they are doing in Africa.
 
2012-07-26 10:40:50 AM  

Cato: How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle


If the beliefs were less fatal, I think people would be less bothered.
 
2012-07-26 10:41:08 AM  

indylaw: The indigenous peoples there are already almost all Islamic, hard-core evangelical Christians, or devoted to folk religions that value male stereotypes. American conservative evangelicals don't need to do shiat to make them homophobic.


That misses the point entirely. Christians like Fellowship members are harvesting richer fields. Their supply of hateful and gullible here is diminishing.

The point isn't how farked up much of African already is. The point is we have people here seeking to make it worse.
 
2012-07-26 10:41:24 AM  
I've been saying for years that Somalia is the logical end game of libertarian ideology. Everything there is privatized. You have to pay for your own police, your water, your education, your healthcare, your transportation, or do without.
 
2012-07-26 10:41:46 AM  

indylaw: The indigenous peoples there are already almost all Islamic, hard-core evangelical Christians, or devoted to folk religions that value male stereotypes. American conservative evangelicals don't need to do shiat to make them homophobic.


How do you think they got that way?
 
2012-07-26 10:42:05 AM  
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Dr. Livingstone, I presume?
 
2012-07-26 10:43:10 AM  
A lot of African nations still burn supposed penis stealing sorcerers, so they are primed for this kind of bullshiat.
 
2012-07-26 10:43:29 AM  

Diogenes: indylaw: The indigenous peoples there are already almost all Islamic, hard-core evangelical Christians, or devoted to folk religions that value male stereotypes. American conservative evangelicals don't need to do shiat to make them homophobic.

That misses the point entirely. Christians like Fellowship members are harvesting richer fields. Their supply of hateful and gullible here is diminishing.

The point isn't how farked up much of African already is. The point is we have people here seeking to make it worse.


But how can you make it worse? It's like saying "Now that Alabama is full up of toxic waste, they're going to start dumping it in New Jersey."
 
2012-07-26 10:43:44 AM  

Cato: How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle



Because the Left's beliefs don't require you to hate someone for who they love?
 
2012-07-26 10:43:50 AM  

Cato: How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle


BSABSVR

Seriously, kill yourself.
 
2012-07-26 10:47:06 AM  

TheSopwithTurtle: indylaw: The indigenous peoples there are already almost all Islamic, hard-core evangelical Christians, or devoted to folk religions that value male stereotypes. American conservative evangelicals don't need to do shiat to make them homophobic.

How do you think they got that way?


19th and 20th century efforts. What I'm saying is that conservative evangelicalism is not even remotely new to Africa. It's like moving to London to start an English-language teaching initiative.
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-07-26 10:47:22 AM  

LasersHurt: Cato: How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle

If the beliefs were less fatal, I think people would be less bothered.


Well put. Not that it will be received by the people that need most to hear it.
 
2012-07-26 10:47:32 AM  
This wouldn't have anything at all to do with the fact that Pat Robertson and his cronies have large investments in exploitative industries like gold and diamond mining throughout sub-Saharan Africa, would it? Cause I would hate to think that they were using people's own bigotry to control them to do their bidding.
 
2012-07-26 10:48:50 AM  
Hate to disappoint you subby but that's been happening in Africa for YEARS- without the influence of the religious right.
 
2012-07-26 10:50:31 AM  

Diogenes: C'mon, Subby. They're just promoting Family values.

Even if it means partnering with despots, tyrants, mass murderers and directors of genocide.

Lucky that Africa has none of those.


"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." -Thomas Jefferson
 
2012-07-26 10:52:27 AM  

indylaw: Diogenes: indylaw: The indigenous peoples there are already almost all Islamic, hard-core evangelical Christians, or devoted to folk religions that value male stereotypes. American conservative evangelicals don't need to do shiat to make them homophobic.

That misses the point entirely. Christians like Fellowship members are harvesting richer fields. Their supply of hateful and gullible here is diminishing.

The point isn't how farked up much of African already is. The point is we have people here seeking to make it worse.

But how can you make it worse? It's like saying "Now that Alabama is full up of toxic waste, they're going to start dumping it in New Jersey."


Money, connections, communication, structure, legitimacy...honestly, this all seems pretty obvious.

In the past it's also propped up some of the most evil people in history, like Suharto.
 
2012-07-26 10:55:51 AM  

sinanju: Diogenes: C'mon, Subby. They're just promoting Family values.

Even if it means partnering with despots, tyrants, mass murderers and directors of genocide.

Lucky that Africa has none of those.

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own." -Thomas Jefferson


Beautiful.

May I add the following from Doug Coe, Director of the Fellowship:

Regarding his relationships with foreign dictators, Coe said in 2007, "I never invite them. They come to me. And I do what Jesus did: I don't turn my back to any one. You know, the Bible is full of mass murderers."[61]
 
2012-07-26 10:56:01 AM  
"culture".


Seriously, the next time the south secedes, can we please just tell them "well, bye."? Pretty please?
 
2012-07-26 10:58:38 AM  
Actually, the evangelicals are going to Africa so they can personally persecute, torture, and murder the people they don't like. They are tired of simply advocating such behavior over here, and want to get a taste of what they have been advocating. It we wanted to make the world a better place, we would simply not allow them to leave once they arrive.

/14GOP88
 
2012-07-26 10:58:56 AM  

God's Hubris: Cato: How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle


Because the Left's beliefs don't require you to hate someone for who they love?


So, what you're saying is that you believe your beief system is innately superior to the one both the Africans and the Christians have, and so you need to export yours to them to make them like you.

Cultural imperialism and religious intolerance at its finest. Well done.

/There is no hate like liberal hate, and there is no intolerance like liberal intolerance.
 
2012-07-26 11:01:50 AM  

MithrandirBooga: "culture".


Seriously, the next time the south secedes, can we please just tell them "well, bye."? Pretty please?


Why wait for that, those lazy welfare queens are never going to get off their fat asses and "Rise Again"

Can't we just unsign the surrender treaty of 1865 and let them go now?
 
2012-07-26 11:02:00 AM  

Cato: God's Hubris: Cato: How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle


Because the Left's beliefs don't require you to hate someone for who they love?

So, what you're saying is that you believe your beief system is innately superior to the one both the Africans and the Christians have, and so you need to export yours to them to make them like you.

Cultural imperialism and religious intolerance at its finest. Well done.

/There is no hate like liberal hate, and there is no intolerance like liberal intolerance.


Homophobiago delenda est.
 
2012-07-26 11:02:03 AM  

indylaw: Diogenes: indylaw: The indigenous peoples there are already almost all Islamic, hard-core evangelical Christians, or devoted to folk religions that value male stereotypes. American conservative evangelicals don't need to do shiat to make them homophobic.

That misses the point entirely. Christians like Fellowship members are harvesting richer fields. Their supply of hateful and gullible here is diminishing.

The point isn't how farked up much of African already is. The point is we have people here seeking to make it worse.

But how can you make it worse? It's like saying "Now that Alabama is full up of toxic waste, they're going to start dumping it in New Jersey."


That sounds pretty bad for New Jersey, actually. Almost like you'd be...what's the phrase? "Making it worse" for them? Let's go with that.

Just because a group of people believe that stealing a shaman's penis robs them of their power doesn't mean we should encourage them to also steal witches' ovaries. Just because an African's house is already on fire doesn't suggest you should douse it in gasoline.

We can "make it better" for the African nations by using much of the same tactics used by these psychotic evangelicals - community engagement, tailoring the message to resonate with historic cultural values, building infrastructure (only instead of churches, maybe build a market or an academy). At the very least, we could leave them alone and not poison the ideological wells.
 
2012-07-26 11:02:22 AM  

socodog: I got news for ya. The Africans don't need anybody's help to be homophobic. They're doing a pretty good job on their own.


True. I think that U.S. Evangelicals are there because their intolerance is so tolerated. Maybe Cathy will open up some Chik-Fil-A franchises in Uganda and Zimbabwe.
 
2012-07-26 11:05:35 AM  

Cato: God's Hubris: Cato: How dare the Right go to Africa to spread their views in a way that interferes with the left going to Africa to spread their views.

/pot, kettle


Because the Left's beliefs don't require you to hate someone for who they love?

So, what you're saying is that you believe your beief system is innately superior to the one both the Africans and the Christians have, and so you need to export yours to them to make them like you.

Cultural imperialism and religious intolerance at its finest. Well done.

/There is no hate like liberal hate, and there is no intolerance like liberal intolerance.


I can't speak for God's Hubris (there's a name designed to make a comment that starts like this amusing) but yes. I very much think that a belief system which encourages tolerance of different people is better than a belief system that encourages killing them. I'd bet you do too, you just draw the line in a different place.

I won't apologize for thinking that every person has some worth and deserves some basic respect and dignity, no matter how often someone calls that intolerance or hate.
 
2012-07-26 11:06:22 AM  

Headso: American exporting bigotry is probably one of the most shameful things we have done as a nation in a while, so that's nice...


And from the south..... again
 
2012-07-26 11:07:08 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: I won't apologize for thinking that every person has some worth and deserves some basic respect and dignity, no matter how often someone calls that intolerance or hate.


Well said.
 
2012-07-26 11:11:48 AM  

Jake Havechek: A lot of African nations still burn supposed penis stealing sorcerers, so they are primed for this kind of bullshiat.


That's a serious problem, even here in the US. My penis was 15 inches before the majority was stolen by evil witchcraft.

/that's my story and I'm sticking to it
 
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