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2012-07-26 10:41:32 AM  
In the shadow of Tebowmania

There is no Tebowmania outside of the press.
 
2012-07-26 10:45:05 AM  
2011 New York Giants were like the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals. Just got hot at the right time. Which is all you have to do.
 
2012-07-26 10:49:40 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: In the shadow of Tebowmania

There is no Tebowmania outside of the press.


Not in the New York area, probably. Lots of religious nuts in the rest of the country though, like in Fark's favorite state.
 
2012-07-26 10:50:41 AM  
Although they'd probably be pretty disappointed once the season starts and he's getting maybe 5 touches a game.
 
2012-07-26 10:51:18 AM  

Arkanaut: HotWingConspiracy: In the shadow of Tebowmania

There is no Tebowmania outside of the press.

Not in the New York area, probably. Lots of religious nuts in the rest of the country though, like in Fark's favorite state.


Yeah nobody here really cares. The NY sports press really really wants us to though.
 
2012-07-26 11:00:10 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Arkanaut: HotWingConspiracy: In the shadow of Tebowmania

There is no Tebowmania outside of the press.

Not in the New York area, probably. Lots of religious nuts in the rest of the country though, like in Fark's favorite state.

Yeah nobody here really cares. The NY sports press really really wants us to though.


Except for the religious groups that are taking bus trips to Jets training camp.
 
2012-07-26 11:04:39 AM  
A quick glance at Eli's stats Link tells you why the Giants are not predicted to repeat. Though most of his stats have shown year over year improvement, his interception % index has varied quite a bit. Also, the team's defense was very up and down, some of it due to injury, throughout the regular season, but came up huge when it mattered most.

Eli, just like Romo, gets pounded more for who he isn't than who he is.

//That being said, the Packers are going to wax the NFL this year. They may not go undefeated or even 15-1, but they will punish teams on their way to another Super Bowl win.
 
2012-07-26 11:06:06 AM  

machoprogrammer: 2011 New York Giants were like the 200611 St. Louis Cardinals. Just got hot at the right time. Which is all you have to do.


FTFY
 
2012-07-26 11:07:26 AM  
Didn't they go 9-7 during the regular season?
 
2012-07-26 11:16:20 AM  

Devo: Didn't they go 9-7 during the regular season?


And Eli is using that as motivation for this year.

I think the Giants recent Superbowl wins are even more amazing once you realize they have been won during the Eagle's astounding offseason superbowl dynasty. I'm pretty sure the only season the Eagles didn't win the off season superbowl was when Dallas won the off season superbowl in 2008.
 
2012-07-26 11:17:19 AM  

roc6783: A quick glance at Eli's stats Link tells you why the Giants are not predicted to repeat. Though most of his stats have shown year over year improvement, his interception % index has varied quite a bit. Also, the team's defense was very up and down, some of it due to injury, throughout the regular season, but came up huge when it mattered most.

Eli, just like Romo, gets pounded more for who he isn't than who he is.

//That being said, the Packers are going to wax the NFL this year. They may not go undefeated or even 15-1, but they will punish teams on their way to another Super Bowl win.


Well, I guess I won't bother watching any games this season. It certainly frees up my Sundays for apple picking and hay rides.

Of course, the Packers were also going to wax the Giants at Lambeau in January, so maybe I should just wait and see.
 
2012-07-26 11:20:53 AM  
I just hope the Redskins finish above 8-8 and above 4th in the NFC Beast
 
2012-07-26 11:24:14 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: roc6783: A quick glance at Eli's stats Link tells you why the Giants are not predicted to repeat. Though most of his stats have shown year over year improvement, his interception % index has varied quite a bit. Also, the team's defense was very up and down, some of it due to injury, throughout the regular season, but came up huge when it mattered most.

Eli, just like Romo, gets pounded more for who he isn't than who he is.

//That being said, the Packers are going to wax the NFL this year. They may not go undefeated or even 15-1, but they will punish teams on their way to another Super Bowl win.

Well, I guess I won't bother watching any games this season. It certainly frees up my Sundays for apple picking and hay rides.

Of course, the Packers were also going to wax the Giants at Lambeau in January, so maybe I should just wait and see.


It is impossible to predict the the Superbowl. If it were the Chargers would be 12 time champs.
 
2012-07-26 11:25:54 AM  

Gunny Highway: It is impossible to predict the the Superbowl. If it were the Chargers would be 12 time champs.


This will definitely be the year Norv Turner forgets he's Norv Turner and the Chargers stop underachieving!

/no it won't
 
2012-07-26 11:45:26 AM  

roc6783: A quick glance at Eli's stats Link tells you why the Giants are not predicted to repeat. Though most of his stats have shown year over year improvement, his interception % index has varied quite a bit. Also, the team's defense was very up and down, some of it due to injury, throughout the regular season, but came up huge when it mattered most.

Eli, just like Romo, gets pounded more for who he isn't than who he is.

//That being said, the Packers are going to wax the NFL this year. They may not go undefeated or even 15-1, but they will punish teams on their way to another Super Bowl win.



I am no Giants fan but I do like Eli. Eli bears no comparison to Romo. Eli is one of the reasons the reason the giants got to the Superbowl last year. His career is full of 4th Quarter comebacks and game winning drives. If you use the stat link that you provided you can see all of these including 6 last year in the regular season, one in the playoffs and of course the Superbowl.

The Packers better punish everybody this year because in close games Aaron Rodgers has a losing record.

//Just the stats
 
2012-07-26 12:03:53 PM  
I can't wait to see what the G-Men's defense looks like as a whole. A Full year of Prince Amukamara and we haven't even seen Austin yet.
 
2012-07-26 12:04:34 PM  
I'm a Mets fan AND a Lions fan. Why yes, I'm nuts.
 
2012-07-26 12:37:16 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: roc6783: A quick glance at Eli's stats Link tells you why the Giants are not predicted to repeat. Though most of his stats have shown year over year improvement, his interception % index has varied quite a bit. Also, the team's defense was very up and down, some of it due to injury, throughout the regular season, but came up huge when it mattered most.

Eli, just like Romo, gets pounded more for who he isn't than who he is.

//That being said, the Packers are going to wax the NFL this year. They may not go undefeated or even 15-1, but they will punish teams on their way to another Super Bowl win.

Well, I guess I won't bother watching any games this season. It certainly frees up my Sundays for apple picking and hay rides.

Of course, the Packers were also going to wax the Giants at Lambeau in January, so maybe I should just wait and see.


Just because you know the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl doesn't mean you need to stop watching, unless you prefer apple picking and hay rides to THE National Football League.

AngryPoet: roc6783: ***snip***


1. I was not saying that Manning and Romo are similar in any way outside of the fact that they both are unfairly perceived as lesser QBs than they are when the facts don't bear it out.
2. 4th Quarter Comebacks and Game Winning Drives are a flimsy stat to base an opinion of how good a QB is on. If a team is down by 1 point at the end of the third quarter, then chips in a field goal on the first play of the 4th quarter, and there is no more scoring, the QB gets credit for a comeback and a GWD.
 
2012-07-26 12:48:19 PM  

roc6783: Just because you know the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl doesn't mean you need to stop watching, unless you prefer apple picking and hay rides to THE National Football League.


If I went into the season knowing my team had no chance to win the Super Bowl, I wouldn't care about the NFL.

I don't know how Jets fans do it.
 
2012-07-26 01:10:31 PM  

Arkanaut: HotWingConspiracy: In the shadow of Tebowmania

like in Fark's favorite state.


Inebriation?
 
2012-07-26 01:13:15 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: roc6783: Just because you know the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl doesn't mean you need to stop watching, unless you prefer apple picking and hay rides to THE National Football League.

If I went into the season knowing my team had no chance to win the Super Bowl, I wouldn't care about the NFL.

I don't know how Jets fans do it.


At least they can count on the Mets to...oh yeah...


//Said as a Brewers fan that will always appreciate the Mets and their penchant for late season collapse.
 
2012-07-26 01:44:22 PM  
A MONDAY NIGHT PARTY!!! OL' HANK AND BRETT FAVRE HERE TO GET YA'LL STARTED!!!

Oh, sorry. The answer is yes. Yes I am ready for some football.
 
2012-07-26 01:45:32 PM  
AngryPoet: roc6783: ***snip***

1. I was not saying that Manning and Romo are similar in any way outside of the fact that they both are unfairly perceived as lesser QBs than they are when the facts don't bear it out.
2. 4th Quarter Comebacks and Game Winning Drives are a flimsy stat to base an opinion of how good a QB is on. If a team is down by 1 point at the end of the third quarter, then chips in a field goal on the first play of the 4th quarter, and there is no more scoring, the QB gets credit for a comeback and a GWD.

I reckon that I read into the Romo Eli thing a little.
GWD and 4Q comebacks are not a flimsy stat, if looked at in detail. The site you listed uses a different methodology than the way the NFL compiles them. It states "QB deserves no credit" or "QB deserves little credit" for the wins if criteria such as the one you listed are met. It is a far more accurate accounting of who is a "clutch" QB. When the stat is looked at in this detail it is a solid base for an opinion.
 
2012-07-26 01:57:18 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: roc6783: Just because you know the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl doesn't mean you need to stop watching, unless you prefer apple picking and hay rides to THE National Football League.

If I went into the season knowing my team had no chance to win the Super Bowl, I wouldn't care about the NFL.

I don't know how Jets fans do it.


Booze. Lots and lots of booze.
 
2012-07-26 02:31:32 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Gunny Highway: It is impossible to predict the the Superbowl. If it were the Chargers would be 12 time champs.

This will definitely be the year Norv Turner forgets he's Norv Turner and the Chargers stop underachieving!

/no it won't


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2012-07-26 02:37:44 PM  

FriarED1: Yanks_RSJ: Gunny Highway: It is impossible to predict the the Superbowl. If it were the Chargers would be 12 time champs.

This will definitely be the year Norv Turner forgets he's Norv Turner and the Chargers stop underachieving!

/no it won't

/ChargersEmptyTrophyCase.jpg


Now paging Norv Turner!
 
2012-07-26 03:10:13 PM  
The current Mets theme song needs to be Tom Petty's "Free Fallin'"
 
2012-07-26 03:57:28 PM  

roc6783: Yanks_RSJ: roc6783: Just because you know the Packers are going to win the Super Bowl doesn't mean you need to stop watching, unless you prefer apple picking and hay rides to THE National Football League.

If I went into the season knowing my team had no chance to win the Super Bowl, I wouldn't care about the NFL.

I don't know how Jets fans do it.

At least they can count on the Mets to...oh yeah...


//Said as a Brewers fan that will always appreciate the Mets and their penchant for late season collapse.


Sigh. I can't wait until the Mets go back to their old reputation as a mostly bad team that occasionally puts together miraculous and successful runs.

There's stuff that happened before 2007.
 
2012-07-26 04:34:51 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: A MONDAY NIGHT PARTY!!! OL' HANK AND BRETT FAVRE HERE TO GET YA'LL STARTED!!!

Oh, sorry. The answer is yes. Yes I am ready for some football.


This.
 
2012-07-26 07:04:23 PM  
If I recall correctly, the Giants were plagued by several key injuries early in the season, which hampered their ability to do well in the regular season.

They entered the postseason on a hot streak that extended all the way to the Superbowl. Yes they got lucky in several game-changing instances but yes they also deserved to win it all. They had one of the (if not the) toughest schedules in the entire postseason and they powered through it.
 
2012-07-26 08:04:52 PM  

tortilla burger: If I recall correctly, the Giants were plagued by several key injuries early in the season, which hampered their ability to do well in the regular season.

They entered the postseason on a hot streak that extended all the way to the Superbowl. Yes they got lucky in several game-changing instances but yes they also deserved to win it all. They had one of the (if not the) toughest schedules in the entire postseason and they powered through it.


Exactly. Anyone who says they didn't deserve it needs to go back and look at it: they beat the same-town rival Jets and the Cowboys, perennial division rivals, to enter the playoffs at all. They then beat the long-time first rounders in Atlanta (and no NY fan dislikes beating Atlanta, ever). Then they flew to the Frozen Tundra and made the 15-1 Packers look embarrassed. They won by over two touchdowns. Then they flew out to the Bay and took on the 49ers and the football Gods saw fit to give the Giants two shocking kick off return fumbles. They hung in the rest of the game and hung on for a FG win.

Then just to make it all perfect, they took on the enormously over-inflated egos from New England, and never gave them an inch. Sure, Brady looked like Brady, but no one else on that team looked like they should. Giants did - Manningham's catch, the hard defensive play, the spectacular special teams (honestly, if Eli was not given that MVP, Weatherford deserved it) sacking Brady 3 times, Eli with no INTs, no stupid mistakes like Brady's intentional grounding.

Giants won, the deserved it, and they're being disrespected by not being made a threat again this year. That's okay, the Giants don't need all that hype. G-men will grind out the W's and make it there again.
 
2012-07-26 08:11:51 PM  
I am not a Giants fan or a hater, but it pisses me off to no end that Eli Manning gets the publicity he does. Justin Tuck should be a football farking legend right now. For 120 minutes, he has owned the Patriots more than Kraft did and it was wonderful, wonderful football.

But, you barely hear his name. Patriots held to 31 points and that is Eli Manning! Yeah, makes sense.
 
2012-07-26 08:42:08 PM  
Eli Manning is a whiny little t*tty baby.
 
2012-07-26 09:19:04 PM  

jbrocket: Eli Manning is a whiny little t*tty baby.


the only whine he's ever had in his career is he didn't want to go to a terrible organization like the Chargers. He was right to come to NY - he's won two Super Bowls and had consistently winning seasons.
 
2012-07-26 10:11:00 PM  

saintstryfe: tortilla burger: If I recall correctly, the Giants were plagued by several key injuries early in the season, which hampered their ability to do well in the regular season.

They entered the postseason on a hot streak that extended all the way to the Superbowl. Yes they got lucky in several game-changing instances but yes they also deserved to win it all. They had one of the (if not the) toughest schedules in the entire postseason and they powered through it.

Exactly. Anyone who says they didn't deserve it needs to go back and look at it: they beat the same-town rival Jets and the Cowboys, perennial division rivals, to enter the playoffs at all. They then beat the long-time first rounders in Atlanta (and no NY fan dislikes beating Atlanta, ever). Then they flew to the Frozen Tundra and made the 15-1 Packers look embarrassed. They won by over two touchdowns. Then they flew out to the Bay and took on the 49ers and the football Gods saw fit to give the Giants two shocking kick off return fumbles. They hung in the rest of the game and hung on for a FG win.

Then just to make it all perfect, they took on the enormously over-inflated egos from New England, and never gave them an inch. Sure, Brady looked like Brady, but no one else on that team looked like they should. Giants did - Manningham's catch, the hard defensive play, the spectacular special teams (honestly, if Eli was not given that MVP, Weatherford deserved it) sacking Brady 3 times, Eli with no INTs, no stupid mistakes like Brady's intentional grounding.

Giants won, the deserved it, and they're being disrespected by not being made a threat again this year. That's okay, the Giants don't need all that hype. G-men will grind out the W's and make it there again.


In a nutshell
 
2012-07-26 10:26:38 PM  

lecavalier: I am not a Giants fan or a hater, but it pisses me off to no end that Eli Manning gets the publicity he does. Justin Tuck should be a football farking legend right now. For 120 minutes, he has owned the Patriots more than Kraft did and it was wonderful, wonderful football.

But, you barely hear his name. Patriots held to 31 points and that is Eli Manning! Yeah, makes sense.


Detail-oriented Giants fans like myself are in love with Justin Tuck, so don't you worry. He's not recognized nearly as much as he should be, but it's surely not Eli's fault, for one, and more importantly Tuck doesn't care.
 
2012-07-26 11:03:06 PM  
Just got home from work to find Matt Harvey with 8 strikeouts through 3.2 innings of his major league debut. Holy fark.
 
2012-07-27 12:41:10 AM  

Yanks_RSJ: lecavalier: I am not a Giants fan or a hater, but it pisses me off to no end that Eli Manning gets the publicity he does. Justin Tuck should be a football farking legend right now. For 120 minutes, he has owned the Patriots more than Kraft did and it was wonderful, wonderful football.

But, you barely hear his name. Patriots held to 31 points and that is Eli Manning! Yeah, makes sense.

Detail-oriented Giants fans like myself are in love with Justin Tuck, so don't you worry. He's not recognized nearly as much as he should be, but it's surely not Eli's fault, for one, and more importantly Tuck doesn't care.


It just annoys me. Tuck should be at deity level on a national level ... and this comes from a Patriots fan. People kept asking me, "Man, you must hate the Giants." Nope, because they beat the Patriots in the most simple way possible when nobody else has been able to ... by simply playing football; hat on a hat and dominating the most important part of the playing field. Hell, I still watch the NFL.com highlights of Giants/Niners just to watch the play of the two lines, especially in the fourth quarter. It damn near gives me goosebumps.

On the other hand, I have never been a supporter of Manning (largely because I still believe Rivers is one of the best QB's in the world). His two biggest throws (Tyree and Manningham) were two throws that he never should have made. Oh yeah, the Manningham one was gorgeous, but to a man, that ball never should have been thrown. That aside, as a football fan, I can't get it through my head that Justin Tuck ain't a two-time SB MVP winner and a sure-lock for Hall of Fame because he deserves it. Yeah, the Giants and Pats fans know, sure.

I look forward to the Giants mauling more offensive lines (they have four pass-rushing DE's that can play all gaps on all downs!) ... just don't make the Super Bowl again, please.
 
2012-07-27 07:54:35 AM  

lecavalier: On the other hand, I have never been a supporter of Manning (largely because I still believe Rivers is one of the best QB's in the world).


Well that's crazy.

lecavalier: His two biggest throws (Tyree and Manningham) were two throws that he never should have made. Oh yeah, the Manningham one was gorgeous, but to a man, that ball never should have been thrown.


I'm not really sure why you think that - it was a perfect read and a perfect throw to his third option based on two false steps taken by the safety on that side of the field. A lot of great throws "should have never been thrown". That's what makes them great.

But I'm not going to continue because I've found that you can't reason with people who want to denigrate a two-time Super Bowl winning QB in any way they can.
 
2012-07-27 09:11:11 AM  

FreakinB: Just got home from work to find Matt Harvey with 8 strikeouts through 3.2 innings of his major league debut. Holy fark.


And went 2 for 2 at the plate - first pitcher to have double digit strikeouts and 2 hits in his MLB debut since 1900
 
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