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2012-07-26 10:01:26 AM  
Occam's Razor: NCAA realized they didn't want to miss out on sweet sweet Penn State dollars for that long.

USC gets away with shiat for the same reason.
 
2012-07-26 10:01:32 AM  
At least the NCAA and the Penn State leadership have the same degree of integrity.
 
2012-07-26 10:02:28 AM  
what they did was better. Its much crueler to make them suffer through years and years of sucking.

Akin to that scene in Schindler's List when they spray the boxcars with water. The nazi thinks its cruel because it gives them "hope"

Penn State will hope to beat FCS schools. They won't.
 
2012-07-26 10:03:03 AM  

Fano: Occam's Razor: NCAA realized they didn't want to miss out on sweet sweet Penn State dollars for that long.

USC gets away with shiat for the same reason.


USC never covered up decades of child rape.
 
2012-07-26 10:03:13 AM  
If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!
 
2012-07-26 10:04:03 AM  
No. They just want to starve it to death slowly instead.
 
2012-07-26 10:05:10 AM  

Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!


Yep. When you spend decades covering up child rape to keep your football program, just fire a couple people and everything will be all better.
 
2012-07-26 10:05:12 AM  

Biness: Fano: Occam's Razor: NCAA realized they didn't want to miss out on sweet sweet Penn State dollars for that long.

USC gets away with shiat for the same reason.

USC never covered up decades of child rape.


Or maybe they are just better at it...
 
2012-07-26 10:05:30 AM  
We should use temporary death penalties in the criminal justice system as well.
 
2012-07-26 10:05:54 AM  

Oliver Twisted: Biness: Fano: Occam's Razor: NCAA realized they didn't want to miss out on sweet sweet Penn State dollars for that long.

USC gets away with shiat for the same reason.

USC never covered up decades of child rape.

Or maybe they are just better at it...


they'd be hard pressed to be worse at it.
 
2012-07-26 10:06:04 AM  

Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!


Someone will now tell you that you do the supporting of child rape. They will repeat this ad nauseam.
 
2012-07-26 10:06:36 AM  
Shoulda banned 'em permanently, with an appeal every ten years so they can remind everybody why they're banned.
 
2012-07-26 10:07:07 AM  

Fano: Occam's Razor: NCAA realized they didn't want to miss out on sweet sweet Penn State dollars for that long.

USC gets away with shiat for the same reason.


Well, firstly, as was pointed out, what Penn State was way worse. But secondly, USC didn't really "get away" with anything. We just haven't seen the results of their punishment yet thanks to the length of the NCAA investigation and USC's appeal.
 
2012-07-26 10:08:10 AM  
What a fantastic week for manufactured outrage!
 
2012-07-26 10:08:14 AM  

Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!


You do the supporting of ch--

meow said the dog: Someone will now tell you that you do the supporting of child rape. They will repeat this ad nauseam.


Oh dammit, you're no fun.
 
2012-07-26 10:08:28 AM  
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That is all.....
 
2012-07-26 10:08:34 AM  
I think the penalty given is more meaningful than the death penalty. Removal of Paterno's legacy, 60 million to fund abuse outreach, and fans having to watch crappy football for the next 5+ years... Yeah, that'll do, NCAA.
 
2012-07-26 10:08:59 AM  

Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!


That's actually the reason they didn't use the death penalty. They didn't want to punish the hundreds of local businesses by depriving them of their best moneymaking period: Penn State football season. The sanctions chosen were intended to hurt the school while leaving the rest of the (admittedly batshiat) community unaffected.

Whether they've succeeded in that goal, or even whether that should have been the goal, is up for debate.
 
2012-07-26 10:10:14 AM  

meow said the dog: Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!

Someone will now tell you that you do the supporting of child rape. They will repeat this ad nauseam.


the coverup wasn't to support child rape (tho it did indirectly), the coverup was to protect the football program

therefore punishing the football program is only appropriate

/can't have your cake and eat it too
 
2012-07-26 10:10:25 AM  

Masterstuff: Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!

You do the supporting of ch--

meow said the dog: Someone will now tell you that you do the supporting of child rape. They will repeat this ad nauseam.

Oh dammit, you're no fun.


Sorry you are free to do this and pretend upon which I caused the warning flare. Hating Penn State is up there with hating Chick-fil-a right now. I do not wish to stop anyone from expressing the faux outrage of them.
 
2012-07-26 10:10:26 AM  
They need to quit calling it the death penalty if the farking thing isn't permanent.
 
2012-07-26 10:11:31 AM  
This is worse in its own way. In 5 years, PSU will be lucky if only 30 of their players are walkons and if Indiana is only up by 28 at half. They'll become one of those shiatty bottom feeder schools that ends up with half their class being 2* recruits. They weren't particularly relevant in the 2000s aside from their 2006 Orange Bowl and this just builds off that.
 
2012-07-26 10:11:34 AM  

WalkingSnake: Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!

Yep. When you spend decades covering up child rape to keep your football program, just fire a couple people and everything will be all better.


QFT.

That, and the current Penn state students and alumni keep being in support of Joe Paterno. They harassed the victims for coming out and accusing Penn state of covering it up. This wasn't just a couple of people acting messed up. It's a current mentality that still reflects in the actions of people in the town and school even after Sandusky rots for the rest of his pathetic life in jail and it came out that JoePa spent over a decade covering for him.

Fark them all.
 
2012-07-26 10:11:35 AM  

Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!


No snark intended, but what would you have the NCAA do? If they do nothing, it sends the message that if something like this happens again, the school can merely cut ties to anyone who can be linked to it and everything's a-okay. But on the flip side, of the four people tied to this whole thing, one will die in jail, two might die in jail, and the other one probably would die in jail if he didn't die first. To me, that seems like a pretty good deterrent.

TL;DR: I have no clue what I would've done if I was levying the penalties.
 
2012-07-26 10:11:41 AM  
I'll watch their away games on TV out of morbid curiosity, just to see what kind a depravity will be unleashed upon them and how much of it will actually be televised. Other than that, the punishment is what it is. Let them have their little time out and hopefully something like this will never be allowed to happen again and they will eventually move on.
 
2012-07-26 10:12:35 AM  

meow said the dog: Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!

Someone will now tell you that you do the supporting of child rape. They will repeat this ad nauseam.


Opinions on both sides have been repeated ad nauseam. Your comment has been repeated ad nauseam. Every thread related to this is like a re-run, with everyone presenting their opinions as if they've never been able to talk about them before.
 
2012-07-26 10:12:54 AM  
It's almost like if they had banned the school for four years it would have caused business at State College to go close and people to lose their jobs. Thus making the NCAA look like the bad people for hurting those who didn't know anything about it.

NCAA Prez: "Hey guys, so we need to protect our phony baloney jobs and something about PSU."

NCAA Board: " Well we could ban them for a four years, but that could open us up to civil lawsuits, plus we'd be punishing people who had no hand in this. That's bad PR."

NCAA Prez:" How about we fine them lots of money, change the record books, and shield them from money-losing bowls. Then we can leak that we were going to throw the book at them but decided not too. That should keep the Outrage Suckers happy."
 
2012-07-26 10:13:24 AM  
When Paternoville is ashes, then you have my permission to die.
 
2012-07-26 10:14:01 AM  

Biness: Fano: Occam's Razor: NCAA realized they didn't want to miss out on sweet sweet Penn State dollars for that long.

USC gets away with shiat for the same reason.

USC never covered up decades of child rape.


Or they did it very well.
 
2012-07-26 10:14:40 AM  
Were they boy boinking for speed or power?
 
2012-07-26 10:15:07 AM  
Ugh, I can't believe the NCAA didn't want to throw into chaos the lives and athletic careers of dozens of athletes who were in no way associated w/ the crime!! That's outrageous!

/Am I doing this right?
 
2012-07-26 10:17:23 AM  
I was listening to the radio yesterday and got to hear all the whining from local business owners around Penn State about how unfair it was that they were being penalized for something that they didn't do. Because who gives a fark about the kids and what happened, what about ME?

And that's why this country is now a shiathole. The end.
 
2012-07-26 10:18:03 AM  

AdamK: the coverup wasn't to support child rape (tho it did indirectly), the coverup was to protect the football program


That's not been proven. Sandusky wasn't an active coach in the period in question. The coverup was more about the image of the school than about the team directly -- and that's a hazy area of jurisdiction for the NCAA. Certainly no competitive sporting advantage was gained, and no NCAA rules were broken. Although popular, this is all just extra-legal witchhunting by an agency desperately seeking the moral high-ground on some issue, to distract from how the NCAA has been quasi-legally making billions by exploiting minors for almost 100 years.
 
2012-07-26 10:20:05 AM  

cryinoutloud: Because who gives a fark about the kids and what happened, what about ME?

And that's why this country is now a shiathole. The end.


Now a shiathole? Versus when, exactly? In the 19th century, literally no one would have cared -- and most would have wondered why those kids weren't at work in the mines.
 
2012-07-26 10:21:28 AM  
I love the "punishing people that didn't do anything wrong" as though it is somehow different from every NCAA sanction on a school in the history of ever. That's why Pete Carroll and Reggie Bush suffered mightily while Matt Barkley got to play in a BCS bowl game last year.
 
2012-07-26 10:21:33 AM  

Biness: Fano: Occam's Razor: NCAA realized they didn't want to miss out on sweet sweet Penn State dollars for that long.

USC gets away with shiat for the same reason.

USC never covered up decades of child rape.


That we know of.
 
2012-07-26 10:21:35 AM  

Biness: Fano: Occam's Razor: NCAA realized they didn't want to miss out on sweet sweet Penn State dollars for that long.

USC gets away with shiat for the same reason.

USC never covered up decades of child rape.


USC broke actual NCAA rules.
 
2012-07-26 10:21:38 AM  

cryinoutloud: I was listening to the radio yesterday and got to hear all the whining from local business owners around Penn State about how unfair it was that they were being penalized for something that they didn't do. Because who gives a fark about the kids and what happened, what about ME?

And that's why this country is now a shiathole. The end.


Actually you're the reason the country is a shiathole. You want to lash out and over-react to a crime by killing a community of people who had no relation to the crime.

What does shutting down the football team do for the victims? Nothing at all. So you obviously don't give a fark about the kids either, just yourself and the vengeance you feel you're entitled to.

What the NCAA did DOES help the kids by putting tens of millions of dollars aside.
 
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2012-07-26 10:21:49 AM  

LoneWolf343: No. They just want to starve it to death slowly instead.


I think it's more that the whole damn town is financially dependent on the football team, which while a terribly pathetic state of affairs, would mean deep economic hardship for lots and lots of people who had nothing to do with the scandal had they pursued the death penalty. This way, students, alumni, and their families still have a series of games to come to (thus patronizing the local businesses and keeping them from completely going under) and at the same time, a team whose success was built by a pedophile and his enabler will be relegated back to average status through the loss of those athletic scholarships and the players that received them transferring to other schools. Four years is just long enough to age-out every player and to let the program essentially start from scratch.
 
2012-07-26 10:22:04 AM  
The NCAA trying to teach somebody a lesson about ethics is kinda like Paris Hilton trying to teach someone about hard work.
 
2012-07-26 10:22:14 AM  
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2012-07-26 10:12:35 AM


meow said the dog: Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!

Someone will now tell you that you do the supporting of child rape. They will repeat this ad nauseam.

Opinions on both sides have been repeated ad nauseam. Your comment has been repeated ad nauseam. Every thread related to this is like a re-run, with everyone presenting their opinions as if they've never been able to talk about them before.




You said that in the other thread
 
2012-07-26 10:23:22 AM  

bulldg4life: I love the "punishing people that didn't do anything wrong" as though it is somehow different from every NCAA sanction on a school in the history of ever. That's why Pete Carroll and Reggie Bush suffered mightily while Matt Barkley got to play in a BCS bowl game last year.


So because it's always been done in an idiotic manner, you have to continue in an idiotic manner forever? for-ev-er? for-ev-er?
 
2012-07-26 10:23:26 AM  

meow said the dog: Sorry you are free to do this and pretend upon which I caused the warning flare. Hating Penn State is up there with hating Chick-fil-a right now. I do not wish to stop anyone from expressing the faux outrage of them.


You sound borderline lucid, you must be quite angry.
 
2012-07-26 10:24:13 AM  

MugzyBrown: What does shutting down the football team do for the victims? Nothing at all.


Do you think other school administrators will systematically cover up major crimes for decades in an effort to protect their school and football team?
 
2012-07-26 10:25:56 AM  

MugzyBrown: cryinoutloud: I was listening to the radio yesterday and got to hear all the whining from local business owners around Penn State about how unfair it was that they were being penalized for something that they didn't do. Because who gives a fark about the kids and what happened, what about ME?

And that's why this country is now a shiathole. The end.

Actually you're the reason the country is a shiathole. You want to lash out and over-react to a crime by killing a community of people who had no relation to the crime.

What does shutting down the football team do for the victims? Nothing at all. So you obviously don't give a fark about the kids either, just yourself and the vengeance you feel you're entitled to.

What the NCAA did DOES help the kids by putting tens of millions of dollars aside.



Pretty much all of this.
 
2012-07-26 10:26:13 AM  

MugzyBrown: So because it's always been done in an idiotic manner, you have to continue in an idiotic manner forever? for-ev-er? for-ev-er?


Sanctions are always directed at the schools and the football program in general. Individual people can get away without penalty and individual people will get penalized when not involved....but the sanctions are almost always designed to penalize the program as a whole.

This is not some new concept and it is a perfectly reasonable concept given the limitations of trying to ban people from working outside of NCAA related jobs.
 
2012-07-26 10:26:33 AM  

domino324: Carousel Beast: If nothing else, at least the NCAA has taught the current players and administration that the people who did the actual crimes had better not do them again, or more people not involved will be punished!

That's actually the reason they didn't use the death penalty. They didn't want to punish the hundreds of local businesses by depriving them of their best moneymaking period: Penn State football season. The sanctions chosen were intended to hurt the school while leaving the rest of the (admittedly batshiat) community unaffected.

Whether they've succeeded in that goal, or even whether that should have been the goal, is up for debate.


I think that's pretty much on the money - they saw the possibility to basically destroying the economy of an entire area as part of the punishment "process" and didnt (rightly) think it was a great idea. The PSU faithful will still turn out for bad football and the money will still flow through the economy.
 
2012-07-26 10:26:47 AM  
Do you think other school administrators will systematically cover up major crimes for decades in an effort to protect their school and football team?

So you think now they will because they didn't shut down the football team? The real death penalty doesn't deter murder, why would shutting down a football program - after you're fired- deter anything?

How have these types of sanctions stopped John Calipari from bouncing from program to program making more and more money?
 
2012-07-26 10:27:02 AM  

MugzyBrown: So because it's always been done in an idiotic manner, you have to continue in an idiotic manner forever? for-ev-er? for-ev-er?


The NCAA has no ability to punish people who have already graduated, so their choices are (1) punish the program, which has some collateral damage, or (2) never punish anyone at all, which seems sort of silly. Sure, Sandusky's in jail and you can't arrest Paterno because he's dead. But it still makes sense to kick PSU in the teeth to remind people not to cover up felonies for the sake of football.
 
2012-07-26 10:27:03 AM  

cryinoutloud: I was listening to the radio yesterday and got to hear all the whining from local business owners around Penn State about how unfair it was that they were being penalized for something that they didn't do. Because who gives a fark about the kids and what happened, what about ME?

And that's why this country is now a shiathole. The end.


Yes, this country would be better if more people were only willing to bend over and take it up the asshole when someone who has nothing in common with them aside from the same geographic region decides to get rapey.

/Meanwhile, Victim #4 disagrees with the Penn State punishment. Does he now deserve everything that happens to him, too?
 
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