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(Breitbart.com)   Jobs Program spends $76,000 per person to find minimum-wage jobs for youths. To be fair, though, the youths were from Oklahoma. If only they had spent a million each, those kids could have living-wage jobs. BUREAUCRATS NEED MOAR MONEY   (breitbart.com) divider line 155
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2012-07-26 08:39:17 AM
You'll excuse me if I don't trust that unctuous liar Tom Coburn, or any report he has shat out.
 
2012-07-26 08:54:44 AM

hillbillypharmacist: You'll excuse me if I don't trust that unctuous liar Tom Coburn, or any report he has shat out.


Well, I'll give you the outside possibility that Tom Coburn is an unctuous liar and may not be entirely trustworthy in matters such as this. But what you have to keep in mind is that this is why we have the Fourth Estate in this country, to filter through partisan hackery and present a clear, understandable, truthful accounting of what's really being said. I think we have to trust that the reporter in this case is doing his job and giving us a full picture, which in this case seems to be that the Obama administration is wasting inordinate amounts of money -- money that could be used to provide actual job creators with breaks from their oppressive tax burden which, ultimately, would let them create the very jobs that these so-called "job programs" are allegedly trying to find in the first place.
 
2012-07-26 09:15:13 AM
this smells like one of those classic republican bullshiat math things, like when they take a $200m road project and divide it by the 1,000 jobs it creates and say, "WE'RE PAYING $200,000 PER JOB!!!" forgetting of course that they're getting a brand-new road out of the deal.
 
2012-07-26 09:18:31 AM
Program causes good, and costs money

Democratic position: "Wow! Let's keep that up. I wonder if we can make it more efficient?"

Republican position: "IT COSTS MONEY AND NO FOREIGNERS EVEN DIED?! BURN IT ALL DOWN"
 
2012-07-26 09:20:31 AM
"Whoa! There's a little corruption in this program! Someone's skimming off the top! I guess that means it should be totally dismantled with no regard for its results." -The world's dumbest farking people
 
2012-07-26 09:21:22 AM
Good lord that's an awful headline.
 
2012-07-26 09:24:08 AM
Maths is hard. let's go shopping for DimBart™ merch!
 
2012-07-26 09:32:13 AM
What's with the douchey smirk on the author's face?
 
2012-07-26 09:34:34 AM
If lying-sack-o-shiat doesn't like those results, he's perfectly free to go hire millions of minimum wage workers himself.
 
2012-07-26 09:34:58 AM

alowishus: What's with the douchey smirk on the author's face?


It's the "I got mine, so fark you" smirk.
 
2012-07-26 09:36:05 AM
Pardon me if I don't immediately believe, then get outraged by, a claim made on Breitbart.com.

That's like getting your history from a Denny's placemat, consider the source.
 
2012-07-26 09:36:24 AM
And clearly that $76,000 didn't go to anyone. It just disappeared. It wasn't spent on companies or people do accomplish any tasks, thus sending the money back into the economy. Nope.
 
2012-07-26 09:36:42 AM
Breitbart constantly lies so you never know if this is true or not but...

Wasteful administrative costs are eating up job training dollars. In one program, just 14 cents of every dollar went to actual job training.

That is farked, and fixing and streamling these kinds of programs so they benefit the people who actually need them is what republicans should be doing with their time and not fighting to eliminate them.
 
2012-07-26 09:37:02 AM

FlashHarry: this smells like one of those classic republican bullshiat math things, like when they take a $200m road project and divide it by the 1,000 jobs it creates and say, "WE'RE PAYING $200,000 PER JOB!!!" forgetting of course that they're getting a brand-new road out of the deal.


Dear god, this.

Here are my questions:

1. Outside of the youth jobs, how many full time jobs are created to maintain this program?
2. The article mentioned Billboards, bowling trips and flowers. Did this money magically disappear into the void, or did it go back into the local economy? For a government program to work, must they spend money on JUST their goal?
3. Did this program have to pay for their building/lease/utilities? Because that's money going to big companies and property owners (job creators).
4. Did the youths in this program get the help they needed to find a job and join society as healthy citizens?

Heaven forbid we ever look at our defense spending with this type of looking glass and anger...
 
2012-07-26 09:37:04 AM
The results of googling "breitbart" is just as disgusting as what you get when you google "santorum".
 
2012-07-26 09:37:55 AM
Ain't clicking on no Breitbart link.
 
2012-07-26 09:40:33 AM
Andy's candle burned out long before his legend ever will.
 
2012-07-26 09:44:03 AM
Betcha they served 18 dollar muffins to people in those programs too!

/DNRTFA.
//No clicks for zombie loving dicks.
 
2012-07-26 09:44:23 AM
FlashHarry:
this smells like one of those classic republican bullshiat math things, like when they take a $200m road project and divide it by the 1,000 jobs it creates and say, "WE'RE PAYING $200,000 PER JOB!!!" forgetting of course that they're getting a brand-new road out of the deal.

'Cuz we all know that minimum-wage jobs are what make this country great. When an "industry" has the sole function of providing jobs, it is a fair metric. After all, a Craigslist ad is free, FFS. How can a bureaucracy waste that much, even if they are TRYING?

www.miridiatech.com
 
2012-07-26 09:46:14 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com

The proud tradition lives on.
 
2012-07-26 09:46:25 AM
From the report linked in the article:

Key findings of the report:

• States know what works better than career politicians in Washington


I'm sure that's not working backward from a negative position at all. Not at all.
 
2012-07-26 09:47:54 AM
-Wasteful administrative costs are eating up job training dollars. In one program, just 14 cents of every dollar went to actual job training.

There are administrative costs in everything done. Without proper a proper base and functioning administrative infrastructure, absolutely zero training will ever be done. Besides, it's still a fairly new program so start-up costs will be higher then gradually decline or stabilize.


-Questionable spending abounds. For example, the Job Corps program spent $36,000 on flowers and billboards. Other expenditures included bowling trips and recreational activities that had little to do with job training.

This guy doesn't know how business works at all. My boss gives me access to a business account to spend money on JUST those sorts of things. Meeting and talking with people ina relaxed environment is HOW business gets done and contacts get made. I took a guy out for a steak dinner and then the strip club just do get his contact information and ingrain me in his head.


-Some job training programs appear to segregate participants by race, gender, and background. For example, Oklahoma's 40 job training programs have eight that target Native Americans and seven for veterans--"some of which require veterans to pursue training for 'green skills,' not because of labor market analysis but because politicians in Washington are imposing ideological agendas on states."

I don't get the problem here. What's wrong? Those are Americans who are having the hardest time finding work right now. Veterans and Native Americans ... the two biggest groups Americans have farked over minus blacks.


-I attended three different federally funded job assistance programs. All three were absolutely unhelpful and contributed to my panic that I may never find a good job again. One Workforce worker advised me to 'dumb down' my resume and even made revisions to my Workforce posted resume that included the removal of my educational and professional accomplishments. A job counselor at a different agency advised me that a 'good job' was one that paid $10/hour.

$10 an hour is good money in Oklahoma. The cost of living there is less then Indiana for cryin' out loud. Look around the country right now. People are fighting for jobs that make less money then that. If you want better jobs stop voting for people who outsource jobs, who bring in H1B's, and who think private business can do no wrong. Start up a union and fight for what you need if you don't like it. Americans did it before and it seemed to work out pretty well.
 
2012-07-26 09:48:01 AM
Breitbart.com = no-click
 
2012-07-26 09:49:39 AM

killro: FlashHarry: this smells like one of those classic republican bullshiat math things, like when they take a $200m road project and divide it by the 1,000 jobs it creates and say, "WE'RE PAYING $200,000 PER JOB!!!" forgetting of course that they're getting a brand-new road out of the deal.

Dear god, this.

Here are my questions:

1. Outside of the youth jobs, how many full time jobs are created to maintain this program?
2. The article mentioned Billboards, bowling trips and flowers. Did this money magically disappear into the void, or did it go back into the local economy? For a government program to work, must they spend money on JUST their goal?
3. Did this program have to pay for their building/lease/utilities? Because that's money going to big companies and property owners (job creators).
4. Did the youths in this program get the help they needed to find a job and join society as healthy citizens?

Heaven forbid we ever look at our defense spending with this type of looking glass and anger...


That's all well and good, but you see taxes are legalized theftTM
 
2012-07-26 09:50:44 AM
How many battleships were involved with this program? You'd think it would be more like 3 Trillion a day or something.

/no click
 
2012-07-26 09:52:17 AM
I can't click on the article, are they talking about Dartmouth?
 
2012-07-26 09:52:50 AM

make me some tea: • States know what works better than career politicians in Washington

I'm sure that's not working backward from a negative position at all. Not at all.


This coming from a career politician in Washington, too.

He has a vested interest in doing a crappy job.
 
2012-07-26 09:54:26 AM
More like POLITBUREAUCRATS amirite!!

Because they're commies. You know, like in Russia. Oh, fine. Fark you then. Everyone loved it over at freerepublic. The problem with you guys is that you don't know comedy. I'm out of here.

Jerkoffs.
 
2012-07-26 09:55:15 AM
This mouthpooping author has no farking clue what he's talking about. These programs are for severely disabled youth who any employment is a sucess. The goal is to get them employed when they are out of high school so that they don't end up on Social Security for the rest of their lives. IT FARKING SAVES MONEY YOU PARTISAN FARKWAD. The fact that they are claiming that helping disabled people or vets is a waste of money is why the GOP is no longer relevant in our politics.

As for his claims that only X% goes to "actual job training" he's full of shiat. That percentage is what it is counted if the WIA funds are used to help someone get a CNA, CDL, or other licences. ALL the primary way trainig is provided is through on the job training which provides minimum wage temporarily while an individual is working AT AN ACTUAL BUSINESS. This means the at-risk youth gets actual experience, a business gets a free worker, and ideally the end result is that the business hires the person. In the WIA programs this is coded as subsidized work experience (which is farking job training) and not any of the classroom training codes(college, licensing, etc).

Skewed conservatite mouthpooper lies about the facts in order to crap on programs that ACTUALY HELP PEOPLE GET WORK. Please note that these programs are in every state and you know that he scoured the internet to find the worst examples before he misrepresented the facts.
 
2012-07-26 09:55:17 AM
killro:
Here are my questions:

1. Outside of the youth jobs, how many full time jobs are created to maintain this program?
2. The article mentioned Billboards, bowling trips and flowers. Did this money magically disappear into the void, or did it go back into the local economy? For a government program to work, must they spend money on JUST their goal?
3. Did this program have to pay for their building/lease/utilities? Because that's money going to big companies and property owners (job creators).
4. Did the youths in this program get the help they needed to find a job and join society as healthy citizens?

So, your solution to unemployment is to have the government take everyone's money, and set up giant offices where nothing gets done, but they do waste a lot of the money?

How about if people KEEP their money, and spend it on things they WANT? That will cause people to get hired, and will actually IMPROVE the economy.


www.cartoonstock.com
 
2012-07-26 09:57:29 AM
/no click

I don't think it matters whether you clicked the Breitbart link or not. You came to this page so Fark can count you when they talk to their advertisers. If you want Breitbart threads to stop you need to stop clicking and commenting in the Breitbart threads altogether. If they get no views and no comments then they will go away. The only reason they get greenlit in the first place is so trolls can artificially inflate the page views.
 
2012-07-26 09:58:41 AM
The military wastes over 1 trillion dollars a year, the worst performing jobs program in history.

So where is the conservative outrage?

Oh right, Rmoney wants to DOUBLE the defense budget and hire a hundred thousand new troops

Fiscal conservatism haha
 
2012-07-26 09:59:33 AM

GeneralJim: How about if people KEEP their money, and spend it on things they WANT? That will cause people to get hired, and will actually IMPROVE the economy.



Totally! It worked so well 2001-2009! Just look at all the jobs created!
 
2012-07-26 10:00:10 AM

killro: Heaven forbid we ever look at our defense spending with this type of looking glass and anger...


2.9 million soldiers in the army

549.4 billion dollar budget

OMG! We're spending over $189,000 per soldier!
 
2012-07-26 10:02:03 AM
Oklahoma's 40 job training programs have eight that target Native Americans and seven for veterans

First, it's Oklahoma. They have, like, TONS OF RESERVATIONS. And those people vote. They'd like it if their people would stick around and create business rather than going OTR and losing touch with any semblance of heritage.

Second, military experience often doesn't translate to anything they can market when they get out. They might have spent the past 8 years in the motor pool but they aren't certified in any civilian fashion.

And that bit about spending money on billboards... that's pure win right there. If no one knows about a program then no one uses the program and your fixed costs make it so next year you can say "It cost $100k per job".
 
2012-07-26 10:02:06 AM
Why is there a serious argument occurring in a Breitbart thread?

Breitbart. They lie 103% of the time. Dismissed. End of story. Next thread, please. No further discussion needed.
 
2012-07-26 10:02:31 AM

HellRaisingHoosier: There are administrative costs in everything done. Without proper a proper base and functioning administrative infrastructure, absolutely zero training will ever be done. Besides, it's still a fairly new program so start-up costs will be higher then gradually decline or stabilize.


Any private charity that spent 86% of its funds on administrative overhead would not deserve a dime from anyone. (Charity Navigator automatically rates any community foundation that spends more than 25% on administrative costs as an automatic 0 out of 5 stars.) Why should government-run charity get a free pass?

HellRaisingHoosier: This guy doesn't know how business works at all. My boss gives me access to a business account to spend money on JUST those sorts of things. Meeting and talking with people ina relaxed environment is HOW business gets done and contacts get made. I took a guy out for a steak dinner and then the strip club just do get his contact information and ingrain me in his head.


Except this isn't business. This is a charity relying on taxpayer funds, and very different rules apply. Taking someone out for a steak dinner just to get chummy with him on the government's dime is enough of a problem. Taking someone out to a strip club on the government's dime will likely get you fired.
 
2012-07-26 10:03:16 AM
Given the source, I'm going to assume that the Jobs Program spends minimum-wage to find jobs for 76,000 youths.

Keep up the good work!
 
2012-07-26 10:05:17 AM
So just to bring people up to speed here, (not-so)Breitbart.CON has gone from "OMG! Why isn't Obama doing ANYTHING about unemployment?!" to "OMG! Why is Obama spending MONEY on job training?!"

/Still no click.
 
2012-07-26 10:05:37 AM
So, your solution to unemployment is to have the government take everyone's money, and set up giant offices where nothing gets done, but they do waste a lot of the money?

How about if people KEEP their money, and spend it on things they WANT? That will cause people to get hired, and will actually IMPROVE the economy.


Whoa whoa there. Dont be bringing sense into the discussion. According to fark the true answer to all our problems is to tax everyone (except them of course) at 100% and trust the government to distribute that money in the most fair way possible. All money should flow through the government and no more of this pesky freedom.

On a serious note this is exactly what happens in every single govt down to your homeowners association. Government is necessary but it has to be kept on a short leash and given JUST enough to do its jobs. And be monitored and held to very high standards. The government cant be the big mighty protector of all that is holy and good. It just cant. You farkers just dont know the evil you are so passionately working towards unleashing upon all of us. .
 
2012-07-26 10:05:51 AM
Republicans: "Work not welfare! Work not welfare! Work not welfare!"
Sane people: "You're absolutely right. Let's find these people some work. Just need to hire some employment agents, get an office, let people know this program's available..."
Republicans: "OMG YOU SPENT MONEY ON THAT TRASH! SHAME! SHAME!"
 
2012-07-26 10:05:57 AM

odinsposse: killro: Heaven forbid we ever look at our defense spending with this type of looking glass and anger...

2.9 million soldiers in the army

549.4 billion dollar budget

OMG! We're spending over $189,000 per soldier!



It's even worse than that

Total military spending FY2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Bud g et_breakdown_for_2012

Total Spending $1.030-$1.415 trillion
 
2012-07-26 10:06:21 AM
cdn.breitbart.com


If only somebody developed a face punching app fot this douche.
 
2012-07-26 10:07:42 AM

walkingtall: So, your solution to unemployment is to have the government take everyone's money, and set up giant offices where nothing gets done, but they do waste a lot of the money?

How about if people KEEP their money, and spend it on things they WANT? That will cause people to get hired, and will actually IMPROVE the economy.

Whoa whoa there. Dont be bringing sense into the discussion. According to fark the true answer to all our problems is to tax everyone (except them of course) at 100% and trust the government to distribute that money in the most fair way possible. All money should flow through the government and no more of this pesky freedom.

On a serious note this is exactly what happens in every single govt down to your homeowners association. Government is necessary but it has to be kept on a short leash and given JUST enough to do its jobs. And be monitored and held to very high standards. The government cant be the big mighty protector of all that is holy and good. It just cant. You farkers just dont know the evil you are so passionately working towards unleashing upon all of us. .



Let me blow your mind for a minute

Government is THE LARGEST employer in the country

GeneralJim's idea has been tried since 2001. And guess what happens when you keep your money and government fires workers? No new net jobs for a decade.

There is no common sense in your thinking, you're just a misguided libertarian
 
2012-07-26 10:07:56 AM

Headso: Breitbart constantly lies so you never know if this is true or not but...

Wasteful administrative costs are eating up job training dollars. In one program, just 14 cents of every dollar went to actual job training.

That is farked, and fixing and streamling these kinds of programs so they benefit the people who actually need them is what republicans should be doing with their time and not fighting to eliminate them.


I wonder which legislators piled on the administrative requirements that forced the exorbitant administrative costs. When every single detail must be held accountable, you end up hiring a lot of accountants.

Didn't count those jobs, though.
 
2012-07-26 10:08:15 AM

kingoomieiii: Program causes good, and costs money

Democratic position: "Wow! Let's keep that up. I wonder if we can make it more efficient? double spending? After all, if $1 does some marginal good, $2 will obviously do twice as much good!"

Republican position: "IT COSTS MONEY, NONE OF WHICH WENT TO MY BROTHER'S BUSINESS, AND NO FOREIGNERS EVEN DIED?! BURN IT ALL DOWN"


FTFY
 
2012-07-26 10:09:18 AM
A job counselor at a different agency advised me that a 'good job' was one that paid $10/hour.

Well, if you're at a job training program and your current employer pays you at a rate of $0/hour, then gettting a $10/hour job is a pretty damned good improvement. It's and infinity % increase over your current salary!
 
2012-07-26 10:09:31 AM

intelligent comment below: It's even worse than that

Total military spending FY2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States#Bud g et_breakdown_for_2012

Total Spending $1.030-$1.415 trillion


You heard it here first, the voyager mission, the office of immigration statistics, and TSA agents are now part of the military.
 
2012-07-26 10:09:53 AM
Fark should really just remove links to Breitbart articles. Keep the headlines, by all means, just don't make them link to the source. That way Fark still gets the comment pageviews but doesn't contribute traffic to that sack of shiat site.
 
2012-07-26 10:10:15 AM

MasterThief: HellRaisingHoosier: There are administrative costs in everything done. Without proper a proper base and functioning administrative infrastructure, absolutely zero training will ever be done. Besides, it's still a fairly new program so start-up costs will be higher then gradually decline or stabilize.

Any private charity that spent 86% of its funds on administrative overhead would not deserve a dime from anyone. (Charity Navigator automatically rates any community foundation that spends more than 25% on administrative costs as an automatic 0 out of 5 stars.) Why should government-run charity get a free pass?

HellRaisingHoosier: This guy doesn't know how business works at all. My boss gives me access to a business account to spend money on JUST those sorts of things. Meeting and talking with people ina relaxed environment is HOW business gets done and contacts get made. I took a guy out for a steak dinner and then the strip club just do get his contact information and ingrain me in his head.

Except this isn't business. This is a charity relying on taxpayer funds, and very different rules apply. Taking someone out for a steak dinner just to get chummy with him on the government's dime is enough of a problem. Taking someone out to a strip club on the government's dime will likely get you fired.


Good job on picking apart the details and missing the larger points completely.
 
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