If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Yahoo)   At your next job interview ask for unlimited vacation time AND a salary   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 56
    More: Interesting, vacation time, Gilt Groupe, limiting factor, legal risk, Saigon, PTO, Vietnam, salary  
•       •       •

6889 clicks; posted to Business » on 25 Jul 2012 at 8:52 PM (2 years ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



56 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-07-25 08:52:01 PM  
And this will only increase with the coming generations, who are more inclined to take a job for less money if it offers better quality of life.

I know I would. I watched my dad bust his ass at a job he hates for 30+ years. I won't. Less dough for a more opportunities to live life? I'll take it in a heartbeat.
 
2012-07-25 09:07:10 PM  
I already have effectively unlimited vacation. I get 20 days vacation plus 11.5 paid holidays plus 3 personal days plus 12 sick days per year. Max accrual of 280 hours (40 days), which I'm always running into.
 
2012-07-25 09:07:22 PM  
Take as many days off as you want, whenever you want to take them, as long as you get your work done.

It's an excellent employee retention policy. Go read 4-hour Workweek and learn more about the ideas of separating work from the distractions of office. If you have work that can be done on a laptop from anywhere in the world you don't need an office.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future of most white collar work is to have a small office with a few meeting rooms and everyone works from home. An office is no longer a specialized space.
 
2012-07-25 09:09:45 PM  
Go ahead, take those days off. I dare you! I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU!
 
2012-07-25 09:10:56 PM  
i109.photobucket.com
 
hej [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 09:11:08 PM  
"Take as many days off as you want, whenever you want to take them, as long as you get your work done."

Being able to telecommute when ever you want isn't the same as taking a vacation when ever you want.
 
2012-07-25 09:14:41 PM  

wildcardjack: Take as many days off as you want, whenever you want to take them, as long as you get your work done.

It's an excellent employee retention policy. Go read 4-hour Workweek and learn more about the ideas of separating work from the distractions of office. If you have work that can be done on a laptop from anywhere in the world you don't need an office.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future of most white collar work is to have a small office with a few meeting rooms and everyone works from home. An office is no longer a specialized space.


Won't happen until we get rid of useless managers; they have to manage somebody.
 
2012-07-25 09:21:41 PM  

EngineerAU: Go ahead, take those days off. I dare you! I DOUBLE DOG DARE YOU!


Unfortunately, THIS.
 
2012-07-25 09:22:45 PM  

whither_apophis: wildcardjack: Take as many days off as you want, whenever you want to take them, as long as you get your work done.

It's an excellent employee retention policy. Go read 4-hour Workweek and learn more about the ideas of separating work from the distractions of office. If you have work that can be done on a laptop from anywhere in the world you don't need an office.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future of most white collar work is to have a small office with a few meeting rooms and everyone works from home. An office is no longer a specialized space.

Won't happen until we get rid of useless managers; they have to manage somebody.


The managers would work from home too...
 
2012-07-25 09:29:53 PM  

jjwars1: whither_apophis: wildcardjack: Take as many days off as you want, whenever you want to take them, as long as you get your work done.

It's an excellent employee retention policy. Go read 4-hour Workweek and learn more about the ideas of separating work from the distractions of office. If you have work that can be done on a laptop from anywhere in the world you don't need an office.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future of most white collar work is to have a small office with a few meeting rooms and everyone works from home. An office is no longer a specialized space.

Won't happen until we get rid of useless managers; they have to manage somebody.

The managers would work from home too...


Maybe we hook up some wi-fi hot-spots on the B Ark?

/"Of course you'll be able to telecommute from on board sir, please keep moving up the ramp, that's a good assistant manager."
 
2012-07-25 09:33:39 PM  
I have unlimited* vacation at my current job.

There's another side to that. You work hard, and evenings and weekends. + taking work home.

It's a fair tradeoff, but it is a tradeoff.

*not a very precise term. I can take any amount of time off AFTER I've completed everything expected of me. If I fall behind I may be fired. I may be fired for any or no reason as well.
 
2012-07-25 09:35:30 PM  

wildcardjack: learn more about the ideas of separating work from the distractions of office.


As well as the idea of separating vacations from the distractions of relaxation!
 
2012-07-25 09:39:12 PM  
He got massages every day on the beach at Ko Phi Phi in southern Thailand...

I bet he did!
 
2012-07-25 09:44:43 PM  
So what about the rest of us who get no PTO? I guess the company sees it as being more cost effective to train a new employee every few years when they burn out than give raises or vacation.
 
2012-07-25 09:45:40 PM  
As a car salesman, stories like this make me laugh in a bitter, sad way.
 
2012-07-25 09:57:51 PM  

jjwars1: I wouldn't be surprised if the future of most white collar work is to have a small office with a few meeting rooms and everyone works from home. An office is no longer a specialized space.


Check out "co-working" and "shared work spaces." Kind of like a pop-up kitchen, except for offices.

Won't happen until we get rid of useless managers; they have to manage somebody.

The managers would work from home too...


My wife is a project manager, all her "managees" are contractors and offsite. Really offsite. Different states, time zones and continents, even. She works from home sometimes, but *her* boss is more traditional and wants to see her underlings at desks occasionally.
 
2012-07-25 10:09:30 PM  
I never have a day off and don't you forget it.
 
2012-07-25 10:12:03 PM  
In April Donny Salazar, vice president of customer experience at Gilt Groupe in New York, took three weeks off to travel through Southeast Asia. He got massages every day on the beach at Ko Phi Phi in southern Thailand, went on a cruise through Halong Bay in Vietnam, and saw the bustle of Ho Chi Minh City.

Translation: He got to bang Asian poon,and some Asian trannies. Ain't no thing!
 
2012-07-25 10:13:33 PM  

RangerTaylor: As a car salesman, stories like this make me laugh in a bitter, sad way.


Yeah, my husband works for Amtrak. Kinda hard to work from home.
 
2012-07-25 10:20:30 PM  
As someone up against the limit of possible vacation time at work, this upsets me that other people have better vacation.

\nah, who cares?
 
2012-07-25 10:22:30 PM  
I just checked my PTO balance. It stands at 390 hours. Might as well be unlimited, I'm barely able to use it as fast as it accrues. Seniority FTW, I guess. And I even used 4 days for knee surgery this month......
 
2012-07-25 10:23:01 PM  
I was talking to someone about this and they were telling me there is an accounting advantage to not having count the earned vacation on the books. I honestly think if they did this at my office, people would either even out to time taken now or take less.
 
2012-07-25 10:48:54 PM  
Fark that! If I get 3 weeks, I will be sure to take it by the end of the year. If I had no defined limit, I will probably never use it because I am not worried about tracking it. How many things do you never get around to doing because you could do it at any time? Sometimes it is better to have restrictions.
 
2012-07-25 10:55:19 PM  

Gunny Walker: [i109.photobucket.com image 200x255]


We might be able to get unlimited vacation days, but we still have a ways to go before we can achieve retroactive vacations.
 
2012-07-25 10:57:52 PM  

RadioAaron: And this will only increase with the coming generations, who are more inclined to take a job for less money if it offers better quality of life.

I know I would. I watched my dad bust his ass at a job he hates for 30+ years. I won't. Less dough for a more opportunities to live life? I'll take it in a heartbeat.


I'll say this: I'm already taking a job around 30% lower in salary than what I could get elsewhere but I tend to work around a 30 hour work week for a boss who is awesome in a relaxed company with a great corporate culture. Yes, I could make more money somewhere else but is it really worth the bullshiat? Is it really worth being pissed off, hating to go into work, not seeing my daughter in the evenings, being stressed out all the time?
 
2012-07-25 10:58:45 PM  

wildcardjack: Take as many days off as you want, whenever you want to take them, as long as you get your work done.

It's an excellent employee retention policy. Go read 4-hour Workweek and learn more about the ideas of separating work from the distractions of office. If you have work that can be done on a laptop from anywhere in the world you don't need an office.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future of most white collar work is to have a small office with a few meeting rooms and everyone works from home. An office is no longer a specialized space.


Work is turning into a thing you do, not a place you go.
 
2012-07-25 11:01:23 PM  

meanmutton: I'll say this: I'm already taking a job around 30% lower in salary than what I could get elsewhere but I tend to work around a 30 hour work week for a boss who is awesome in a relaxed company with a great corporate culture. Yes, I could make more money somewhere else but is it really worth the bullshiat? Is it really worth being pissed off, hating to go into work, not seeing my daughter in the evenings, being stressed out all the time?


I work for really REALLY great people, but I work ~45 hours/week, during off-peak hours which allow me zero social life, and I make next to nothing (
My last day is a week from tomorrow.
 
2012-07-25 11:30:13 PM  
At one place I worked at you could buy time off, over and above the 24 days we were given. Nobody did. Sad but true.
 
2012-07-25 11:39:07 PM  
Really really difficult to take "vacation days" off when you don't have a motherf*cking job.

/counts to 10
//breathes
///wonders who these f*ckers are that warrant such cock-sucking
 
2012-07-25 11:48:58 PM  

hej: "Take as many days off as you want, whenever you want to take them, as long as you get your work done."

Being able to telecommute when ever you want isn't the same as taking a vacation when ever you want.


No, it is not the same but...

I'm trying to put my wife off on not getting another dog so we can rent a place in Europe next summer. We actually have offices in many cities there that I can work out of as well. So I've talked it over with my boss, work 4 days, off 3, or at least 2.5. Plus you have night where ever you are.

So yeah, its not a 'vacation' in that regard, but if you can rent a modest place for a few months you have a lot more time to explore in a relaxed fashion. Add one or two weeks of actual vacation and it would seem pretty sweet.
 
2012-07-26 12:06:23 AM  

rewind2846: Really really difficult to take "vacation days" off when you don't have a motherf*cking job.


You can have mine. They haven't even begun to look for my replacement.

If you can steal jokes from Fark and confine your thoughts to a 10-second song intro, you can do my job.
 
2012-07-26 12:38:13 AM  

RadioAaron: You can have mine. They haven't even begun to look for my replacement.

If you can steal jokes from Fark and confine your thoughts to a 10-second song intro, you can do my job.


t2.gstatic.com
"Looks like those clowns in congress did it again. What a bunch of clowns."
 
2012-07-26 12:39:34 AM  

enry: I already have effectively unlimited vacation. I get 20 days vacation plus 11.5 paid holidays plus 3 personal days plus 12 sick days per year. Max accrual of 280 hours (40 days), which I'm always running into.


pdieten: I just checked my PTO balance. It stands at 390 hours. Might as well be unlimited, I'm barely able to use it as fast as it accrues. Seniority FTW, I guess. And I even used 4 days for knee surgery this month......


This is why the "unlimited" vacation time thing is terrible for the employees. When you leave the company, they will cash those hours out and pay you for them, as they are earned. Built in severance.

In the "unlimited" plan, they don't, because you don't accrue hours, you can just go.

Of course, if you get another job, you can just leave the job and see when they stop paying you.
 
2012-07-26 01:46:25 AM  

cicdle: I was talking to someone about this and they were telling me there is an accounting advantage to not having count the earned vacation on the books. I honestly think if they did this at my office, people would either even out to time taken now or take less.


I'm not so sure about that. My employer has mandated days off three or four times a year that requires us to use our PTO. According to the memo sent out, every forced day off takes $500k off their books.

/I'm part of the problem, as my PTO is damn near maxed
//thinking about working 4 days a week next year to slowly use it
 
2012-07-26 02:20:23 AM  
This is a real double-edged sword. If they implemented this at my job, although it would be great on paper I would never get even a single day off because my boss would never approve one. She does not "believe" in vacation time just like she doesn't "believe" in overtime or a 40-hour week. Fine if she wants to work 80-100 hours every week, 364 days a year more power to her, but she expects everyone under her to do the same (seriously, she left pissed-off "where are you?" voicemails for everybody when we didn't all go back to work after the Christmas party...)

The only way I get any days off is I have the corporate policy that says 30 days PTO to shove in her face. I'm still working on the overtime thing...
 
2012-07-26 02:56:09 AM  

postnobills: This is a real double-edged sword. If they implemented this at my job, although it would be great on paper I would never get even a single day off because my boss would never approve one. She does not "believe" in vacation time just like she doesn't "believe" in overtime or a 40-hour week. Fine if she wants to work 80-100 hours every week, 364 days a year more power to her, but she expects everyone under her to do the same (seriously, she left pissed-off "where are you?" voicemails for everybody when we didn't all go back to work after the Christmas party...)

The only way I get any days off is I have the corporate policy that says 30 days PTO to shove in her face. I'm still working on the overtime thing...


That sounds...illegal.
 
2012-07-26 03:01:52 AM  

Hagbardr: So what about the rest of us who get no PTO? I guess the company sees it as being more cost effective to train a new employee every few years when they burn out than give raises or vacation.


It probably is.

Your job sucks, go find another one.
 
zez
2012-07-26 03:35:01 AM  

wildcardjack: Take as many days off as you want, whenever you want to take them, as long as you get your work done.

It's an excellent employee retention policy. Go read 4-hour Workweek and learn more about the ideas of separating work from the distractions of office. If you have work that can be done on a laptop from anywhere in the world you don't need an office.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future of most white collar work is to have a small office with a few meeting rooms and everyone works from home. An office is no longer a specialized space.


My wife talked her boss into letting her work from home 2 days a week (which is kind of odd since I can almost see her office from our house) but she gets more done than she ever does actually being in the office, and that includes conference calls and and web based instruction (she's a trainer). and since I'm a stay at home dad it means I get to get out on a bike ride while the little one naps! It's great!
 
2012-07-26 03:52:25 AM  

postnobills: This is a real double-edged sword. If they implemented this at my job, although it would be great on paper I would never get even a single day off because my boss would never approve one. She does not "believe" in vacation time just like she doesn't "believe" in overtime or a 40-hour week. Fine if she wants to work 80-100 hours every week, 364 days a year more power to her, but she expects everyone under her to do the same (seriously, she left pissed-off "where are you?" voicemails for everybody when we didn't all go back to work after the Christmas party...)

The only way I get any days off is I have the corporate policy that says 30 days PTO to shove in her face. I'm still working on the overtime thing...


I had a boss like this. Now I have no job at all. Isn't there an in-between?
 
2012-07-26 05:44:29 AM  

StopLurkListen: It's a fair tradeoff, but it is a tradeoff.


The article isn't very precise, but that's not what they're talking about. The other side of the equation related to this trend is that your employer will work to ensure you can actually schedule time off, as opposed to saying "unlimited vacation" and meaning "work 24/7, sometimes from not in the office". For example, see the 2 weeks of forced, contiguous vacation noted in the article, or this article that's less focused on the "unlimited" buzzword.
 
2012-07-26 07:39:53 AM  
i only work about 10 hours a week. my life IS a vacation.
 
2012-07-26 08:07:31 AM  
5 weeks a year plus 11 statutory holidays and 8 days sick leave (accurable). I'm well rested.
 
2012-07-26 08:34:20 AM  
I had 32 full vacation days this year. That's six and a half weeks.

This doesn't include the "Zeitausgleich" time I have been taking. Instead of having overtime paid out, I can choose to have every 8 hours converted into a vacation day. I've done this about 5 times so far this year.

There is a limit to how much vacation you can take and still effectively do a job. I am pushing it with 37 planned days off this year.

/Skiing in the alps in January
/london in March
/San Diego in May
/Italy in June
/Barcelona Spain in July
/Greece for two weeks beginning next friday.
/etc etc

Work gets done.
 
2012-07-26 09:27:12 AM  

wildcardjack: It's an excellent employee retention policy. Go read 4-hour Workweek and learn more about the ideas of separating work from the distractions of office. If you have work that can be done on a laptop from anywhere in the world you don't need an office.

I wouldn't be surprised if the future of most white collar work is to have a small office with a few meeting rooms and everyone works from home. An office is no longer a specialized space.


On the other hand, I would hate that. I like the idea that the office is for work and my home is not. I can shut my office door and the work day ends.

I do know some people who work exclusively from home. They say it is a very mixed blessing in some cases. One guy said, basically, "Oh, well it's nice that I don't commute but it is like you're ALWAYS at work. If I think of something at 8 PM it's like, 'oh, well, better do it now since I'm kinda at work anyway'." It can seriously screw up your work life balance.

Now, flexibility to sometimes work from home is cool. But I'd HATE to have to do it full time.

Also, even if a place offered unlimited vacation I know plenty of people (mostly government employees oddly enough) who NEVER take vacation for some reason. I watched a very senior guy beg his entire division to take leave during Christmas and New Years. I also know guys who got told they HAD to take vacation due to limits on how much you can have. So they did. And came to work anyway. You just want to buy these people a cruise ticket, take away all their electronics, and force them on board at gunpoint.
 
2012-07-26 09:43:17 AM  

postnobills: She does not "believe" in vacation time just like she doesn't "believe" in overtime or a 40-hour week. Fine if she wants to work 80-100 hours every week, 364 days a year more power to her, but she expects everyone under her to do the same (seriously, she left pissed-off "where are you?" voicemails for everybody when we didn't all go back to work after the Christmas party...


Worked for a boss like that myself. After enduring it for far too long, I quit and started freelancing. Make far, far less than I did back in those days, but am much, much happier.

Would I like more money? Sure. If I can get that without giving up being excited about the day ahead, I will. If not, no way.

/Also love "4 Hour Work Week". Really good tips in there for everyone.
 
2012-07-26 09:47:36 AM  

Spade: I also know guys who got told they HAD to take vacation due to limits on how much you can have. So they did. And came to work anyway. You just want to buy these people a cruise ticket, take away all their electronics, and force them on board at gunpoint.



pollysshortattentionspan.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-26 09:52:16 AM  

Your Average Witty Fark User: thinking about working 4 days a week next year to slowly use it


When the company I work for changed its carry-over policy to max 8-weeks, I essentially had to do just that since I had so much accrued time-off. I took off every Friday which essentially gave me a 32-hour work week.
That was a good year.

I get 5 weeks vacation, 5 days PTO and 10 sick days a year, I never even come close to taking all that time off, but I sure do try.
 
2012-07-26 11:31:33 AM  
I get 4 weeks of acation and 10 sick days and it's a struggle to take that much. A level or two above me and people get unlimited vacation, but the responsibilities are such that they never use it.
 
2012-07-26 11:44:45 AM  

enry: I already have effectively unlimited vacation. I get 20 days vacation plus 11.5 paid holidays plus 3 personal days plus 12 sick days per year. Max accrual of 280 hours (40 days), which I'm always running into.


I get the same 20 days, 10 Federal holidays, 13 sick days, and can never seem to accrue

BigJake: postnobills: This is a real double-edged sword. If they implemented this at my job, although it would be great on paper I would never get even a single day off because my boss would never approve one. She does not "believe" in vacation time just like she doesn't "believe" in overtime or a 40-hour week. Fine if she wants to work 80-100 hours every week, 364 days a year more power to her, but she expects everyone under her to do the same (seriously, she left pissed-off "where are you?" voicemails for everybody when we didn't all go back to work after the Christmas party...)

The only way I get any days off is I have the corporate policy that says 30 days PTO to shove in her face. I'm still working on the overtime thing...

I had a boss like this. Now I have no job at all. Isn't there an in-between?


Federal employee, good luck getting one of those jobs though. Sadly the current state of pants on head retarded private sector labor blames the Federal or State employee for fighting and keeping their benefits when the private sector labor allowed management to rape them out of theirs.
 
2012-07-26 12:09:01 PM  

Spade: wildcardjack: **snip**
Also, even if a place offered unlimited vacation I know plenty of people (mostly government employees oddly enough) who NEVER take vacation for some reason. I watched a very senior guy beg his entire division to take leave during Christmas and New Years. I also know guys who got told they HAD to take vacation due to limits on how much you can have. So they did. And came to work anyway. You just want to buy these people a cruise ticket, take away all their electronics, and force them on board at gunpoint.


That is what happens when your entire sense of self is wrapped up in your job. My employer loves those kinds of people. Had a coworker take use it or lose it vacation (we can't carry over past a certain date and our carryover is limited) and took calls and client meetings and returned e-mails the entire time. That is crazy to me when you work for someone else.

//I am trying to start my own business on a PT basis and grow it into a full time business, but to sacrifice my sanity and family life for little to no long term gain? No thanks.

Peter Gibbons: The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.
Bob Porter: Don't... don't care?
Peter Gibbons: It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.
Bob Slydell: I beg your pardon?
Peter Gibbons: Eight bosses.
Bob Slydell: Eight?
Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make
someone work just hard enough not to get fired.
 
Displayed 50 of 56 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report