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2012-07-25 04:04:44 PM  
How are these cops not in jail??
 
2012-07-25 04:04:59 PM  
This Sounds Like Bad News for Obama "President" Ballrog, HUSSEIN, Sombrero, Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, al-Chicago, Chocolate Jesus, B-Rock the Islamic Shock, Barky McTeleprompter, Wizard of Uhhs, BoBo the Clown, Oblahbla, Jug Ears, Saunas breach akimbo, Waffles The Clown, Borborygmos Hammerhiem, The Rainbow King, Bukkake O'Bunga, OBIGOT, El Jefe Chocholate, "Jace the Mindsculpter" Oyobi, Bonzo the Time Traveler, La Bamba yo' Mamma, Samurai Kebab Nachos, Fartbongo, II"

/Oh yeah....9/11
 
2012-07-25 04:05:48 PM  
Be alert.

The world needs more lerts.

/5th grade humor
 
2012-07-25 04:06:44 PM  
"secret spy operation" is code for "spying into the hot neighbor's window across the street.

/yes I do have binoculars, why do you ask?
 
2012-07-25 04:06:54 PM  

mcreadyblue: How are these cops not in jail??


Haha you're funny. Cops don't go to jail unless they stick a plunger up someone's ass. And even then other cops defend them. This operation was fully approved by the higher ups and their lawyers. No one's going anywhere....except us into a police state.
 
2012-07-25 04:08:06 PM  
NYPD and terrorist, but I repeat myself.
 
2012-07-25 04:08:24 PM  
So ..

"In February, NYPD's deputy commissioner for legal matters, Andrew Schaffer, told reporters that detectives can operate outside New York because they aren't conducting official police duties.

"They're not acting as police officers in other jurisdictions," Schaffer said."

.. If they are not in an official capacity in another city, why is the surveillance these people are doing not illegal?
 
2012-07-25 04:11:16 PM  

AeAe: So ..

"In February, NYPD's deputy commissioner for legal matters, Andrew Schaffer, told reporters that detectives can operate outside New York because they aren't conducting official police duties.

"They're not acting as police officers in other jurisdictions," Schaffer said."

.. If they are not in an official capacity in another city, why is the surveillance these people are doing not illegal?


Why is the New Jersey cops and DA ok with rogue NYC cops operating in their state?
 
2012-07-25 04:13:17 PM  

Walker: Haha you're funny. Cops don't go to jail unless they stick a plunger up someone's ass. And even then other cops defend them. This operation was fully approved by the higher ups and their lawyers. No one's going anywhere....except us into a police state.


Depends. I can guarantee you the NJ cops are NOT defending them on this. Police HATE it when other law enforcement farks around in their jurisdiction without telling them about it.

AeAe: "In February, NYPD's deputy commissioner for legal matters, Andrew Schaffer, told reporters that detectives can operate outside New York because they aren't conducting official police duties.

"They're not acting as police officers in other jurisdictions," Schaffer said."

.. If they are not in an official capacity in another city, why is the surveillance these people are doing not illegal?


At the very least, it's a theft and abuse of police resources. I mean, these are NYPD cops on the clock using NYPD resources and cash to rent an apartment and they're NOT doing this as part of their official duty?

You can't have it both ways, Andrew "Douchebag Liar" Schaffer. Either they were there under their official duties or they need to be fired and arrested for stealing public funds and misusing official equipment.
 
2012-07-25 04:15:12 PM  
I don't know about you, but I feel much safer. Thank you
 
2012-07-25 04:16:52 PM  

AeAe: .. If they are not in an official capacity in another city, why is the surveillance these people are doing not illegal?


Not that I support what they're doing, but, if it would be legal for a regular citizen to do, it's probably legal for them to do. The surveillance sounds like something any nosy neighbor could legally do. Renting an apartment with a fake name sounds iffy, but I'm not sure it's illegal.

Just so we're clear: What they did was wrong. I'm specifically talking about legality and leaving morality out of it for now.
 
2012-07-25 04:18:12 PM  
More like monitored every american e-mails, phone calls, text messages, voice mails, facebook, and private conversations? Or should we believe they are "just watching muslims", all of the 2.8% of the Anerican population.

TSA has taken naked pictures or groped (i mean enhanced pat downs) 900 million people in America.

Lets close down more schools and reduce infrastructure spending so we can build another $2 billion worth of harddrives in the desert.

Lets spend $800 billion a year on just two wars, then claim no new taxes! Then we can blame it on the poor people who dont pay their "fair share" while making $6.25-8.25 an hour.
 
2012-07-25 04:18:41 PM  

AeAe: So ..

"In February, NYPD's deputy commissioner for legal matters, Andrew Schaffer, told reporters that detectives can operate outside New York because they aren't conducting official police duties.

"They're not acting as police officers in other jurisdictions," Schaffer said."

.. If they are not in an official capacity in another city, why is the surveillance these people are doing not illegal?


Actually, since the first Trade Center attack, the NYPD is the only "local" police department with investigative and arrest jurisdiction in every other city in the nation. Their intelligence operation is coordinated directly with the CIA, and the NSA has an office in the NYPD. Thats how they were able to crack down and arrest the OWS leadership so quickly, they already had many of them under surveillance. Many OWS people were arrested BEFORE they had actually participated in any protesting, and the NYPD has audio recordings of their meetings. There are several dozen people in New York, Chicago, Seattle and San Francisco who are being held without charge except under "National Security Letters" issued by the NYPD.

Welcome to the United Corporations of America.
 
2012-07-25 04:19:25 PM  
Its not always the case that cops can operate openly. Sometimes police need to stay secret in order to do their jobs. History has many examples of countries that found Secret Police an effective means of keeping order.
 
2012-07-25 04:19:31 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Walker: Haha you're funny. Cops don't go to jail unless they stick a plunger up someone's ass. And even then other cops defend them. This operation was fully approved by the higher ups and their lawyers. No one's going anywhere....except us into a police state.

Depends. I can guarantee you the NJ cops are NOT defending them on this. Police HATE it when other law enforcement farks around in their jurisdiction without telling them about it.

AeAe: "In February, NYPD's deputy commissioner for legal matters, Andrew Schaffer, told reporters that detectives can operate outside New York because they aren't conducting official police duties.

"They're not acting as police officers in other jurisdictions," Schaffer said."

.. If they are not in an official capacity in another city, why is the surveillance these people are doing not illegal?

At the very least, it's a theft and abuse of police resources. I mean, these are NYPD cops on the clock using NYPD resources and cash to rent an apartment and they're NOT doing this as part of their official duty?

You can't have it both ways, Andrew "Douchebag Liar" Schaffer. Either they were there under their official duties or they need to be fired and arrested for stealing public funds and misusing official equipment.


Reads a lot like a Law and Order episode, all we need is the CIA/FBI/HLS agent to show up and tell them "Detectives. I suggest you forget everything you've found. You're in over your heads".
Creepy.
 
2012-07-25 04:22:04 PM  
Listen Dave, don't give me any of your horsehit about juris-dick-tion in this one, you understand?
 
2012-07-25 04:22:29 PM  
Deathfrogg
"There are several dozen people in New York, Chicago, Seattle and San Francisco who are being held without charge except under "National Security Letters" issued by the NYPD."

Citation?

/not doubting. interested
 
2012-07-25 04:24:07 PM  

mcreadyblue: How are these cops not in jail??


Doesn't sound like they broke any laws. Now should people be outraged about this, yes.
 
2012-07-25 04:25:09 PM  

ChipNASA: This Sounds Like Bad News for Obama "President" Ballrog, HUSSEIN, Sombrero, Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, al-Chicago, Chocolate Jesus, B-Rock the Islamic Shock, Barky McTeleprompter, Wizard of Uhhs, BoBo the Clown, Oblahbla, Jug Ears, Saunas breach akimbo, Waffles The Clown, Borborygmos Hammerhiem, The Rainbow King, Bukkake O'Bunga, OBIGOT, El Jefe Chocholate, "Jace the Mindsculpter" Oyobi, Bonzo the Time Traveler, La Bamba yo' Mamma, Samurai Kebab Nachos, Fartbongo, II"

/Oh yeah....9/11


Is this what it sounds like when a conservative has a stroke?
 
2012-07-25 04:25:26 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Its not always the case that cops can operate openly. Sometimes police need to stay secret in order to do their jobs. History has many examples of countries that found Secret Police an effective means of keeping order.


www.warmuseums.nl
Nods.
 
2012-07-25 04:25:41 PM  

mcreadyblue: How are these cops not in jail??


They're cops, they're above the law.
 
2012-07-25 04:29:27 PM  

Bossk'sSegway: TSA has taken naked pictures or groped (i mean enhanced pat downs) 900 million people in America.


Shudder.

/Haven't flown since...okay, too long ago to remember. Probably 8 years or so; don't want anyone seeing me naked and don't want to be groped.
 
2012-07-25 04:30:31 PM  

Bossk'sSegway: More like monitored every american e-mails, phone calls, text messages, voice mails, facebook, and private conversations? Or should we believe they are "just watching muslims", all of the 2.8% of the Anerican population.

TSA has taken naked pictures or groped (i mean enhanced pat downs) 900 million people in America.

Lets close down more schools and reduce infrastructure spending so we can build another $2 billion worth of harddrives in the desert.

Lets spend $800 billion a year on just two wars, then claim no new taxes! Then we can blame it on the poor people who dont pay their "fair share" while making $6.25-8.25 an hour.


Whoa when did the new census figures come out?
 
2012-07-25 04:30:36 PM  
Good morning Mr. Phelps.
 
2012-07-25 04:34:19 PM  
So let me get this straight....

1. Not in their jurisdiction
2. Using police resources
3. Targeting minorities (in this case Muslims)

Didn't this happen in the 60s? And wasn't it a civil rights violation?

Maybe Bob Dylan was wrong...the times aren't a changin
 
2012-07-25 04:36:19 PM  
Just to play devil's advocate, even if this gets shut down, what is to stop NYPD from hiring licensed private investigator to do the same thing? The only thing here that sounds illegal is the fake name. A lot of the other actions sound unethical, but not illegal.
 
2012-07-25 04:37:40 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Its not always the case that cops can operate openly. Sometimes police need to stay secret in order to do their jobs. History has many examples of countries that found Secret Police an effective means of keeping order.


Yup. It's like the commenters on Fark prefer anarchy in the streets to orderly rule of law.

Come in guys, these are the POLICE. They're society's finest, and they are all about protecting and serving the greater good. Sometimes that requires discretion.

It's not like they're doing anything illegal, and they are here to protect you. Do you really want another 9/11?
 
2012-07-25 04:39:47 PM  
NYPD, with training and guidance from the CIA, has monitored the activities of Muslims in New York and far beyond.

So what's next, trafficking coke and arming Muslim terrorists? Not that there's anything illegal about that...
 
2012-07-25 04:40:52 PM  

Cyno01: ChipNASA: This Sounds Like Bad News for Obama "President" Ballrog, HUSSEIN, Sombrero, Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers, al-Chicago, Chocolate Jesus, B-Rock the Islamic Shock, Barky McTeleprompter, Wizard of Uhhs, BoBo the Clown, Oblahbla, Jug Ears, Saunas breach akimbo, Waffles The Clown, Borborygmos Hammerhiem, The Rainbow King, Bukkake O'Bunga, OBIGOT, El Jefe Chocholate, "Jace the Mindsculpter" Oyobi, Bonzo the Time Traveler, La Bamba yo' Mamma, Samurai Kebab Nachos, Fartbongo, II"

/Oh yeah....9/11

Is this what it sounds like when a conservative has a stroke?


It's what a child sounds like on Fark.
 
2012-07-25 04:42:10 PM  

Sudlow: Deathfrogg
"There are several dozen people in New York, Chicago, Seattle and San Francisco who are being held without charge except under "National Security Letters" issued by the NYPD."

Citation?

/not doubting. interested


One
Two
Three

Much of these articles and others are concerned with Muslim organizations, but the OWS people are considered to be as important if not a greater threat to National Security. All this after Goldman-Sachs paid about $40 million into the NYPD Union retirement fund, out of the sheer goodness of their heart of course.

Look up "NYPD Private Details." Look up "NYPD National Security Letters."
It's not just blogs either.
 
2012-07-25 04:43:11 PM  
Who gave these guys funding?
 
2012-07-25 04:44:14 PM  
Sounds good. Where can I apply to be a secret spy of the NYPD?

/I have binoculars!
 
2012-07-25 04:44:31 PM  

Elegy: They're society's finest


No... they're not. Some of them may be, but a good number of them are just bullies who found a way to turn their hobby into a profession.
 
2012-07-25 04:44:47 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Its not always the case that cops can operate openly. Sometimes police need to stay secret in order to do their jobs. History has many examples of countries that found Secret Police an effective means of keeping order.


Now this is how it's done. Bravo!
 
2012-07-25 04:46:01 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Its not always the case that cops can operate openly. Sometimes police need to stay secret in order to do their jobs. History has many examples of countries that found Secret Police an effective means of keeping order.


I like the subtlety. Absolutely fantastic!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 04:47:49 PM  

Walker: mcreadyblue: How are these cops not in jail??

Haha you're funny. Cops don't go to jail unless they stick a plunger up someone's ass. And even then other cops defend them. This operation was fully approved by the higher ups and their lawyers. No one's going anywhere....except us into a police state.


Or maybe the not breaking any laws part?
 
2012-07-25 04:48:44 PM  
I think the NYPD has been able to do this since 1916 when German saboteurs blew up an ammo dump near Ellis Island.
 
2012-07-25 04:51:26 PM  

Deathfrogg: One
Two
Three

Much of these articles and others are concerned with Muslim organizations, but the OWS people are considered to be as important if not a greater threat to National Security. All this after Goldman-Sachs paid about $40 million into the NYPD Union retirement fund, out of the sheer goodness of their heart of course.

Look up "NYPD Private Details." Look up "NYPD National Security Letters."
It's not just blogs either.


The citation he requested was concerning several dozen people being held without charge, not surveillance. It's one I would like to see too.
 
2012-07-25 04:51:43 PM  

Deathfrogg: Actually, since the first Trade Center attack, the NYPD is the only "local" police department with investigative and arrest jurisdiction in every other city in the nation.


The NYPD has nationwide police powers?

Citation Needed.

Seriously. What part of the United States Code gives them that?

/LEO outside NYC
//Never heard that shiat, any NYPD around me that tries to use police powers beyond a CItizens Arrest as outlined in my state's laws is getting arrested himself for Impersonating a Peace Officer (i.e. using police powers without legal authority).
 
2012-07-25 04:54:14 PM  
So, a terror cell.
 
2012-07-25 04:56:17 PM  

vpb: Walker: mcreadyblue: How are these cops not in jail??

Haha you're funny. Cops don't go to jail unless they stick a plunger up someone's ass. And even then other cops defend them. This operation was fully approved by the higher ups and their lawyers. No one's going anywhere....except us into a police state.

Or maybe the not breaking any laws part?


What "equipment" did they have to ask the FBI to return?
 
2012-07-25 04:58:21 PM  

mcreadyblue: vpb: Walker: mcreadyblue: How are these cops not in jail??

Haha you're funny. Cops don't go to jail unless they stick a plunger up someone's ass. And even then other cops defend them. This operation was fully approved by the higher ups and their lawyers. No one's going anywhere....except us into a police state.

Or maybe the not breaking any laws part?

What "equipment" did they have to ask the FBI to return?


Obviously, it wasn't taxpayer purchased official NYPD gear. Because if they weren't there doing police work, they wouldn't be using any department equipment or funds, right?
 
2012-07-25 04:58:50 PM  

Silverstaff: The NYPD has nationwide police powers?

Citation Needed.


The NYPD and Mayor Bloomberg think they do. As linked by Deathfrogg above.
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg has said his department will operate anywhere in the United States if it believes it's necessary to prevent terrorism.

"The police department can follow leads and threats wherever they come from," Bloomberg said, adding that it was all legal. "They can go into any state."
 
2012-07-25 05:00:07 PM  
All cops are heroes. Remember 9/11.

Citizen.
 
2012-07-25 05:01:05 PM  

Silverstaff:

/LEO outside NYC
//Never heard that shiat, any NYPD around me that tries to use police powers beyond a CItizens Arrest as outlined in my state's laws is getting arrested himself for Impersonating a Peace Officer (i.e. using police powers without legal authority).



I was told by a old friend from the old neighborhood, to stay the hell away from the OWS movement, and he specifically told me why. Any such arrest made by you or one of your fellow officers would be quietly swept under the rug and any charges would just disappear. At any rate, it wouldn't be the NYPD doing the actual arresting, it'd be one of your fellow officers in any case. But all it takes is that little boilerplate letter issued by the NYPD. Rank and echelon hath their privileges and their purposes. The officials at the NYSE can have anyone arrested at any time.
 
2012-07-25 05:07:22 PM  
911 was the republican wet dream, planned and executed by GOPers for their benefit. The fascists and the GOP warmongers in the U.S. gov't have benefited the most from the event with the full support of all you GOP farggots.
 
2012-07-25 05:09:53 PM  
911 was the republican wet dream, planned and executed by GOPers for their benefit. The fascists and the GOP warmongers in the U.S. gov't have benefited the most from the event with the full support of all you GOP farggots.

Nice false flag posted here to discredit other posts in this thread, bro
 
2012-07-25 05:10:09 PM  

thurstonxhowell: AeAe: .. If they are not in an official capacity in another city, why is the surveillance these people are doing not illegal?

Not that I support what they're doing, but, if it would be legal for a regular citizen to do, it's probably legal for them to do.


It's not legal for a NYPD officer to work as a PI in the State of New Jersey.
"13:55-1.8 Active Law Enforcement Officers

A. No person who is an active member of the organized police department of this or any other State or political subdivision thereof, or who is an officer or investigator with an investigative agency of the United States of America or of any State, County or municipality thereof, shall be issued a Private Detective License, nor shall he be a qualifying member, officer or director of any firm, association or corporation licensed under the Act."

http://www.njsp.org/about/pdet_rules.html
 
2012-07-25 05:11:10 PM  

mcreadyblue: How are these cops not in jail??


F*ck you, and f*ck me, and f*ck anyone and everyone who isn't NYPD, that's how.

/some people are more equal than others
 
2012-07-25 05:12:05 PM  
So, when can we start surveillance of law enforcement and recording their day-to-day activities without getting arrested/shot?
 
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