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2012-07-25 06:52:03 PM

Vaneshi: theflatline:
They did not do everything. But they did play music, videos, games, run apps, had exchange connectivity and vpn connectivity....

I always find it funny that CE6.5 (which was a whore and gave you crabs) would do things CE... erm... WP7 couldn't at the time of it's release; like talk to Exchange. I wonder who at Microsoft thought it was awesome to not bundle in the ability for their phone OS to talk to their mail server software.


You could talk to Exchange with the original release of Windows Phone 7, including contact and calendar sync. The only thing that was missing with first release was task syncing, and the ability to sync multiple Exchange accounts on the same handset. Email push, GAL, and all the other common stuff you would want to do with Exchange has always been there.

I think what you were thinking of is the fact that Windows Phone doesn't sync with OUTLOOK via USB or Bluetooth like Windows Mobile did, rather it does all the syncing via the cloud. You can do some work arounds using Windows Live to sync contacts and calendars if you don't have an Exchange server available, but a lot of people were up in arms that you couldn't do direct syncing without getting the cloud involved in some way.
 
2012-07-25 07:04:33 PM
How strange...if Samsung wasn't copying Apple, then explain why GOOGLE themselves told Samsung they were in fact copying the iPad, and advised them to change the design?

In February 2010, Google told Samsung that Samsung's "P1" and "P3" tablets (Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1) were "too similar" to the iPad and demanded "distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3."/a>
 
2012-07-25 07:06:18 PM

Vaneshi: Marine1:
It was probably less of that and more of "HOLY shiat BALLMER WILL RIP OUR ARMS OUT OF OUR SOCKETS IF WE DON'T GET THIS RELEASED".

I suspect there is a lot of that in the mix, which leads us right back to Ballmer being bad for Microsoft.


In that case, I wouldn't say it was. Windows Mobile 6.5 was an asshole and WP7 is, from a usability and stability standpoint, light years ahead of it. To have waited any longer would have been a huge blow to an already fragile market position. I'd say that product-wise, it was the right move. Sales haven't played out like expected but there's quite a few reasons for that and plenty of blame to go around.

BullBearMS: NutznGum: BullBearMS: Marine1: The Windows 7 Home Premium 3-pack has been available for quite a while now. It's not a limited-time offer.

It's also 300 bucks for only 3 computers. Also, Home Premium is a feature limited version of the OS.

Apple's OS is the full version for 19.99 which covers every computer you own.

Marine1: I'm genuinely curious to see if you can still upgrade multiple machines with the Mac Store upgrade path they offer.

Ars Technica:

As has been the case for all non-server versions of the Mac operating system, Mountain Lion has no serial number, no product activation, and no DRM of any kind. The standard Mac App Store license terms allow customers to install a copy of the software on "each Apple-branded computer [...] that you own or control," including two additional copies on each Mac inside virtual machines.

That's actually a very good deal.

Especially if you need to take advantage of features that are only available in the full version of Windows, like Bitlocker whole disk encryption.

A single license to the full version of Windows 7 Ultimate costs $289.99 at Newegg. That's the version that keeps on working even if you get a new motherboard or new computer.

The upgrade only version of Windows 7 Ultimate costs $199.99 at Newegg.

The Windows 7 Ultimate 3 pack is only sold to people who build computers for a living (OEM's) and retails at $539.99 on Newegg. There isn't a home version of that one.

Since Apple only charges 20 bucks to install the full version of the OS on every computer you own, you can see why I say you don't have to pay Microsoft's price gouging fees for very many PC's before you could get a free Macbook Air with the price difference.


I know one person who uses Ultimate, and that's me. Home Premium is enough for most users, and it costs $129 to do that for three computers. Windows 8 will probably cost less than Windows 7 did as well.
 
2012-07-25 07:26:47 PM

Marine1: I know one person who uses Ultimate, and that's me. Home Premium is enough for most users, and it costs $129 to do that for three computers. Windows 8 will probably cost less than Windows 7 did as well.


First, disk encryption for a laptop isn't exactly an obscure function for an device that is easily stolen. Identity theft is a real issue, and you must enable whole disk encryption to prevent laptop thieves from having access to all your data.

Apple's OS offers it for every computer you own for a flat 20 bucks. The version of Windows that can do this sells for two hundred bucks per computer just for the upgrade version.

Disk encryption is far from the only function Home Premium lacks.

Second, the limited Home Premium version 3-pack for OEM's is $289.99. The version aimed at home users is not even for sale anymore at Newegg.

Are you being paid to offer all this misinformation?.
 
2012-07-25 07:30:24 PM

angry_scientist: Kevin72: I'm in Vietnam now. My Viet friend encouraged me to get a

What the? You're on the internet and have a smartphone? Turn that shiat off! You'll give away your position!


What me worry? If I am in a wifi zone, Google Maps knows EXACTLY where I am. Like which lateral room I am in at my hotel. It can't do vertical and know which floor I am on, so there's that.
 
2012-07-25 07:40:07 PM

BullBearMS: Marine1: I know one person who uses Ultimate, and that's me. Home Premium is enough for most users, and it costs $129 to do that for three computers. Windows 8 will probably cost less than Windows 7 did as well.

First, disk encryption for a laptop isn't exactly an obscure function for an device that is easily stolen. Identity theft is a real issue, and you must enable whole disk encryption to prevent laptop thieves from having access to all your data.

Apple's OS offers it for every computer you own for a flat 20 bucks. The version of Windows that can do this sells for two hundred bucks per computer just for the upgrade version.

Disk encryption is far from the only function Home Premium lacks.

Second, the limited Home Premium version 3-pack for OEM's is $289.99. The version aimed at home users is not even for sale anymore at Newegg.

Are you being paid to offer all this misinformation?.


Apparently, you like overpaying for things.

Amazon
 
2012-07-25 07:58:57 PM

Marine1: Apparently, you like overpaying for things.


Apparently, you think people should have to search around for a discount price on the limited version of the OS, instead of getting the full version for a 20 dollar flat rate.

Also out today are the new versions of Apple's "office" apps, which are, of course, a free upgrade.

Also, also, the pricing for Surface has just "surfaced" on a Swedish website and after taking into account the exchange rate, the cheapest ARM version is around a thousand bucks and the cheapest Intel version is around two thousand bucks.

Can you say price gouging?
 
2012-07-25 09:14:41 PM

BullBearMS: Marine1: Apparently, you like overpaying for things.

Apparently, you think people should have to search around for a discount price on the limited version of the OS, instead of getting the full version for a 20 dollar flat rate.

Also out today are the new versions of Apple's "office" apps, which are, of course, a free upgrade.


That's because Apple developed $20 worth of product. The rest of it is FOSS underpinnings.

Also, compared to Office, just about everything sucks.


Also, also, the pricing for Surface has just "surfaced" on a Swedish website and after taking into account the exchange rate, the cheapest ARM version is around a thousand bucks and the cheapest Intel version is around two thousand bucks.
Can you say price gouging?


The release of the WinRT Surface is three months away, and the Surface Pro is about six away. A lot can change between now and then, and to be honest, I wouldn't trust anything anyone says at this point. Hell, no one knew that tablet existed up until the moment it was announced... not any clue at all. How likely is it they have access to pricing info on a Microsoft product that's three months away from launch (minimum) that was one of the company's best-kept secrets?
 
2012-07-25 09:21:36 PM

Marine1: The release of the WinRT Surface is three months away, and the Surface Pro is about six away. A lot can change between now and then, and to be honest, I wouldn't trust anything anyone says at this point. Hell, no one knew that tablet existed up until the moment it was announced... not any clue at all. How likely is it they have access to pricing info on a Microsoft product that's three months away from launch (minimum) that was one of the company's best-kept secrets?


MS said they'd only sell the Surface in MS stores, which there are none of in Sweden.
 
2012-07-25 09:27:19 PM

BullBearMS: Marine1: I know one person who uses Ultimate, and that's me. Home Premium is enough for most users, and it costs $129 to do that for three computers. Windows 8 will probably cost less than Windows 7 did as well.

First, disk encryption for a laptop isn't exactly an obscure function for an device that is easily stolen. Identity theft is a real issue, and you must enable whole disk encryption to prevent laptop thieves from having access to all your data.

Apple's OS offers it for every computer you own for a flat 20 bucks. The version of Windows that can do this sells for two hundred bucks per computer just for the upgrade version.

Disk encryption is far from the only function Home Premium lacks.

Second, the limited Home Premium version 3-pack for OEM's is $289.99. The version aimed at home users is not even for sale anymore at Newegg.

Are you being paid to offer all this misinformation?.


Umm.. TrueCrypt does full disk encryption fine without costing a penny.

/just sounds like you are implying that without paying for the ultimate edition, you can't encrypt your hard drive.
/don't use windows or osx
 
2012-07-25 09:28:34 PM

Icetech3: I have already stated my feelings on apple products today:) BUT.... my iphone is the worst phone i owned.. sold it and got a galaxy s2.. AWESOME... and lovin android...


Too bad it's not an S3. That thing is a monster.
 
2012-07-25 09:28:45 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: ENOUGH ALREADY...


When apple quits filing lawsuits it will stop, they have decided to just sue.
 
2012-07-25 09:42:17 PM

OriginalGamer: How strange...if Samsung wasn't copying Apple, then explain why GOOGLE themselves told Samsung they were in fact copying the iPad, and advised them to change the design?

In February 2010, Google told Samsung that Samsung's "P1" and "P3" tablets (Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1) were "too similar" to the iPad and demanded "distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3."/a>


So a blurb proves your point?

Apple sucks so fark them
 
2012-07-25 09:54:41 PM

steamingpile: OriginalGamer: How strange...if Samsung wasn't copying Apple, then explain why GOOGLE themselves told Samsung they were in fact copying the iPad, and advised them to change the design?

In February 2010, Google told Samsung that Samsung's "P1" and "P3" tablets (Galaxy Tab and Galaxy Tab 10.1) were "too similar" to the iPad and demanded "distinguishable design vis-à-vis the iPad for the P3."/a>

So a blurb proves your point?

Apple sucks so fark them


Do you mean the company, or their products? Because if you're saying iPhones and iPads suck that wouldn't make sense, considering that both are selling like mad, are always well reviewed, and have some of the highest customer satisfaction ratings in the industry. Rebuttal?
 
2012-07-25 09:54:46 PM

SharkTrager: Too bad it's not an S3. That thing is a monster.


That will be my first smartphone. Guy at work got one. It's awesome. The only drawback is that it won't fit in a dress shirt front pocket.
 
2012-07-25 09:59:31 PM

Kevin72: You must do things the Apple way and only the Apple way. I'm in Vietnam now. My Viet friend encouraged me to get a used 3GS in America for $150 and he will sell it $200 at the end of the trip. Fine. But I still can't get my damn music from the USB memory stick to the phone. It's all in the iCloud. Sure it is. So how come it isn't? It was on the phone before i came here and had to reset the phone to make local calls

I was planning to replace my Palm Pre with the i5phone in November, but I think I will follow the advice given to me to get an Android instead.


this whole line of reasoning I see time and time again in threads amazes me. So you don't know how something works yet you blame the maker of such tech and say they are in the wrong. I am not trying to defend Apple but don't blame them because you have no idea how itunes, iphones, and icloud work.

/owns a galaxy nexus and nexus 7
 
2012-07-25 10:27:10 PM

beer4breakfast: Marine1: The release of the WinRT Surface is three months away, and the Surface Pro is about six away. A lot can change between now and then, and to be honest, I wouldn't trust anything anyone says at this point. Hell, no one knew that tablet existed up until the moment it was announced... not any clue at all. How likely is it they have access to pricing info on a Microsoft product that's three months away from launch (minimum) that was one of the company's best-kept secrets?

MS said they'd only sell the Surface in MS stores, which there are none of in Sweden.


Forgot about that, thanks.
 
2012-07-25 10:49:51 PM

Marine1: That's because Apple developed $20 worth of product. The rest of it is FOSS underpinnings.


Awww... It's adorable when someone who is such a retarded fanboy that they have previously claimed that Windows Phone 7 "has momentum" continues shoving their head in their ass.
 
2012-07-25 11:17:25 PM

BullBearMS: Marine1: That's because Apple developed $20 worth of product. The rest of it is FOSS underpinnings.

Awww... It's adorable when someone who is such a retarded fanboy that they have previously claimed that Windows Phone 7 "has momentum" continues shoving their head in their ass.


Nose diving in to the floor whilst on fire is technically "momentum".
 
2012-07-25 11:22:37 PM

Marine1: BullBearMS: Marine1: I know one person who uses Ultimate, and that's me. Home Premium is enough for most users, and it costs $129 to do that for three computers. Windows 8 will probably cost less than Windows 7 did as well.

First, disk encryption for a laptop isn't exactly an obscure function for an device that is easily stolen. Identity theft is a real issue, and you must enable whole disk encryption to prevent laptop thieves from having access to all your data.

Apple's OS offers it for every computer you own for a flat 20 bucks. The version of Windows that can do this sells for two hundred bucks per computer just for the upgrade version.

Disk encryption is far from the only function Home Premium lacks.

Second, the limited Home Premium version 3-pack for OEM's is $289.99. The version aimed at home users is not even for sale anymore at Newegg.

Are you being paid to offer all this misinformation?.

Apparently, you like overpaying for things.

Amazon


that's what I was wondering go to amazon or Newegg.com and get an OEM license for dirt cheap. who cares about full retail packaging.
 
2012-07-25 11:32:23 PM

H31N0US: SharkTrager: Too bad it's not an S3. That thing is a monster.

That will be my first smartphone. Guy at work got one. It's awesome. The only drawback is that it won't fit in a dress shirt front pocket.


Yet another reason I love that I wear cargo shorts and polos to work.
 
2012-07-25 11:48:02 PM

OriginalGamer: Do you mean the company, or their products? Because if you're saying iPhones and iPads suck that wouldn't make sense, considering that both are selling like mad, are always well reviewed, and have some of the highest customer satisfaction ratings in the industry. Rebuttal?


Apple sucks, so fark them.
 
2012-07-26 12:21:19 AM

BullBearMS: Marine1: Apparently, you like overpaying for things.

Apparently, you think people should have to search around for a discount price on the limited version of the OS, instead of getting the full version for a 20 dollar flat rate.

Also out today are the new versions of Apple's "office" apps, which are, of course, a free upgrade.

Also, also, the pricing for Surface has just "surfaced" on a Swedish website and after taking into account the exchange rate, the cheapest ARM version is around a thousand bucks and the cheapest Intel version is around two thousand bucks.

Can you say price gouging?


Wow, if you believe this then you're a complete moron.

BullBearMS: change1211: Mac users pay more initially and less as time goes on if they choose to upgrade
Windows users pay less initially and more as time goes on if they choose to upgrade.

Windows users do have the option of buying cheap plastic crap computers, but when you buy a Windows laptop with the same specs and of the same build quality, they cost about the same amount.

For instance, ASUS' Zenbook Prime is an awesome little ultrabook. It uses a display panel that has a higher resolution and better color accuracy than the Macbook Air. However, it's more expensive than the Air too. Quality costs money.

Cheap plastic crap laptops are cheap for a reason. shiatty keyboards, trackpads that don't work worth a damn, and poor quality displays do not a good user experience make.


Hey look, more proof you're a dumbass.

Link

I'm using a 17" Acer with an i7, a 256GB SSD, 8GB of RAM and 1.5GB of VRAM. It cost $1299 and the build quality is outstanding.

Is there an Apple laptop that can compare?
 
2012-07-26 01:47:34 AM

theurge14: Samsung phones immediately before the original iPhone launch:

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Samsung phones since the iPhone:

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SO what you are saying is samsung phones have ALWAYS been rectangular and Apple is a company full of lowlife scumbags?

Judging by their fanbois, Id say that makes sense.
 
2012-07-26 03:45:38 AM

zedster: how can you have a whole thread about Apple stealing and no mention of taking from the BSD community and not giving a damn thing back?

At least Windows is it's own OS, OS X is just a bunch of proprietary packages over BSD


Those FreeBSD parts are over a proprietary kernel, too.

\As others have mentioned, Apple has given back to the BSD community too
 
2012-07-26 04:10:32 AM
I just bought a Galaxy S3 online and am eagerly awaiting its arrival.

I have had 2 iphones, and they are overrated, deliberately crippled hunks of sh*t. Itunes is some of the worst software that I have had the misfortune of installing on any of my machines. Apple's abuse of the legal system to prevent legitimate competition is astonishing proof of how broken the legal system is in terms of intellectual property.
 
2012-07-26 06:30:12 AM

change1211: I'm using a 17" Acer with an i7, a 256GB SSD, 8GB of RAM and 1.5GB of VRAM. It cost $1299 and the build quality is outstanding.

Is there an Apple laptop that can compare?


You're using a mystery laptop that you claim specs out better, but you won't give a link to the exact model number so everyone can compare the quality of the display panel, battery life, reviews of build quality, materials and components used and such?

I'm sure you're legit.

As I've said before on several occasions, ASUS' new Zenbook Prime is a great example of an ultrabook that outspecs the quality of the components in Apple's Macbook Air in quite a few different ways. It's one of the only laptops whose display panel is more color accurate, has better viewing angles, and is at a higher resolution than the Air.

It's just not cheaper.
 
2012-07-26 08:08:29 AM

BullBearMS: For instance, Dell's shiny new XPS 15 has roughly the same specs, build quality and price as a Macbook Pro. ASUS' new Zenbook Prime is roughly equivalent to a Macbook Air in specs, build quality, and price.


13" MBP with i5 processor, 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM=£1159
13" Dell XPS Ultrabook with i5 processor, 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM=£949

So, there's still a price premium for a Mac. Not a huge one (and certainly not in the "Apple costs double", but it's still there. Arguably if you're going to use all the media apps, and when you consider 2nd hand prices, it may be worth it. YMMV.
 
2012-07-26 09:28:41 AM

TheGhostofFarkPast: Kevin72: You must do things the Apple way and only the Apple way. I'm in Vietnam now. My Viet friend encouraged me to get a used 3GS in America for $150 and he will sell it $200 at the end of the trip. Fine. But I still can't get my damn music from the USB memory stick to the phone. It's all in the iCloud. Sure it is. So how come it isn't? It was on the phone before i came here and had to reset the phone to make local calls

I was planning to replace my Palm Pre with the i5phone in November, but I think I will follow the advice given to me to get an Android instead.

this whole line of reasoning I see time and time again in threads amazes me. So you don't know how something works yet you blame the maker of such tech and say they are in the wrong. I am not trying to defend Apple but don't blame them because you have no idea how itunes, iphones, and icloud work.

/owns a galaxy nexus and nexus 7


No. Either it is user friendly or a nightmare. I've had 3 weeks before going to "Nam because I also bought 4 other iPhones my friend sent. Any other phone I could drag files from the Sandisk. I had the musicand photos before I came which supposedly in the iCloud. After i reset the phone to get Viet phone service, it was gone i gave it an honest try. Apple hates me for already having music and not buying it from iTunes which I suppose would be easy.
 
2012-07-26 09:33:29 AM

Kevin72: angry_scientist: Kevin72: I'm in Vietnam now. My Viet friend encouraged me to get a

What the? You're on the internet and have a smartphone? Turn that shiat off! You'll give away your position!

What me worry? If I am in a wifi zone, Google Maps knows EXACTLY where I am. Like which lateral room I am in at my hotel. It can't do vertical and know which floor I am on, so there's that.


Oops I missed your joke. Charley is everywhere!
 
2012-07-26 09:51:01 AM

sure haven't: You can fault Apple for a lot, but you can't deny the fact that they made a product for the consumer.


Barf.

sure haven't: One that "just works".


Retch.

sure haven't: They changed the game.


Hurl.

sure haven't: I say this as someone who owns not a single Apple product.


Pu-huh? Then what do you know about anything "just working"? My wife's iCrap couldn't even accept a simple 3rd party install without throwing a shiat fit a couple of days ago. She didn't even know how to open a command line on the damn thing, so I could fix it. Apple builds hamstrung products that work well as long as you don't need them to do anything other that what they do right out of the box.
 
2012-07-26 10:10:32 AM

theurge14: Samsung phones immediately before the original iPhone launch:

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[i.imgur.com image 155x300]
[i.imgur.com image 187x350]
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[i.imgur.com image 193x300]
[i.imgur.com image 187x299]
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Samsung phones since the iPhone:


This is such a biased graphic. Here's a better one that shows Samsung's touchscreen devices prior to the iPhone's launch as well.

allthingsd.com
 
2012-07-26 10:16:37 AM
Biased graphic? Yours has several that say "mock up". I pulled my images from a mobile review site from 2007 and the current ones from the first three pages Samsung's current mobile offerings on their own website.
 
2012-07-26 04:46:47 PM

BullBearMS: change1211: I'm using a 17" Acer with an i7, a 256GB SSD, 8GB of RAM and 1.5GB of VRAM. It cost $1299 and the build quality is outstanding.

Is there an Apple laptop that can compare?

You're using a mystery laptop that you claim specs out better, but you won't give a link to the exact model number so everyone can compare the quality of the display panel, battery life, reviews of build quality, materials and components used and such?

I'm sure you're legit.

As I've said before on several occasions, ASUS' new Zenbook Prime is a great example of an ultrabook that outspecs the quality of the components in Apple's Macbook Air in quite a few different ways. It's one of the only laptops whose display panel is more color accurate, has better viewing angles, and is at a higher resolution than the Air.

It's just not cheaper.


I'm at work, laptop isn't. And I think in this thread only one of us has proven to be a rabid fanboy so I'd argue that you've got less credibility because of it.

theurge14: Biased graphic? Yours has several that say "mock up". I pulled my images from a mobile review site from 2007 and the current ones from the first three pages Samsung's current mobile offerings on their own website.


Why wouldn't design examples count? Just because they didn't bring it to market doesn't mean they didn't design and potentially build the thing. The most common claim is that Samsung saw the iPhone and then built a copy of it but the image that Shadow posted shows that they had designed several phones that look quite similar to the iPhone before it's release.
 
2012-07-26 09:21:48 PM

farkeruk: BullBearMS: For instance, Dell's shiny new XPS 15 has roughly the same specs, build quality and price as a Macbook Pro. ASUS' new Zenbook Prime is roughly equivalent to a Macbook Air in specs, build quality, and price.

13" MBP with i5 processor, 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM=£1159
13" Dell XPS Ultrabook with i5 processor, 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM=£949

So, there's still a price premium for a Mac. Not a huge one (and certainly not in the "Apple costs double", but it's still there. Arguably if you're going to use all the media apps, and when you consider 2nd hand prices, it may be worth it. YMMV.


Here's the thing. Those aren't the only specs.

What materials are they built out of? Is the hinge built so that it won't just fall apart with use?

What are the specs on the display panel? How color accurate is it? What is the pixel resolution? How much power does it draw? What is the brightness? What is the contrast?

dl.dropbox.com

dl.dropbox.com

It's always easier to build a cheap computer if you use a cheap display panel. They aren't all the same.

How fast is the SSD at sequential reads, sequential writes, random reads, and random writes?

You hopefully get the picture. You can't just say what the CPU is and how much RAM it has and think you have compared two computers.

If you haven't before, start reading reviews at AnandTech where they don't just gloss over the surface of these things.

That's why people who claim their laptop is so much better and cheaper, but refuse to give the exact model number so you can see what the full specs on it are have always been so laughable.
 
2012-07-26 09:50:25 PM

BullBearMS: farkeruk: BullBearMS: For instance, Dell's shiny new XPS 15 has roughly the same specs, build quality and price as a Macbook Pro. ASUS' new Zenbook Prime is roughly equivalent to a Macbook Air in specs, build quality, and price.

13" MBP with i5 processor, 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM=£1159
13" Dell XPS Ultrabook with i5 processor, 128GB SSD, 4GB of RAM=£949

So, there's still a price premium for a Mac. Not a huge one (and certainly not in the "Apple costs double", but it's still there. Arguably if you're going to use all the media apps, and when you consider 2nd hand prices, it may be worth it. YMMV.

Here's the thing. Those aren't the only specs.

What materials are they built out of? Is the hinge built so that it won't just fall apart with use?

What are the specs on the display panel? How color accurate is it? What is the pixel resolution? How much power does it draw? What is the brightness? What is the contrast?

[dl.dropbox.com image 580x400]

[dl.dropbox.com image 580x400]

It's always easier to build a cheap computer if you use a cheap display panel. They aren't all the same.

How fast is the SSD at sequential reads, sequential writes, random reads, and random writes?

You hopefully get the picture. You can't just say what the CPU is and how much RAM it has and think you have compared two computers.

If you haven't before, start reading reviews at AnandTech where they don't just gloss over the surface of these things.

That's why people who claim their laptop is so much better and cheaper, but refuse to give the exact model number so you can see what the full specs on it are have always been so laughable.


How come there was no MacBook on either of those graphs? Doesn't that make it kind of hard to compare?
 
2012-07-26 10:05:16 PM

change1211: How come there was no MacBook on either of those graphs? Doesn't that make it kind of hard to compare?


Because those are from the just published today first look at the new revision of the Dell XPS 15.

If you want the numbers for the recent Macbook refresh you would read the review of the Macbook and find the numbers there.

dl.dropbox.com

dl.dropbox.com

As I've mentioned before, that ASUS Zenbook Prime has an really nice display panel.

Also, the Razer Blade has a really nice display panel, but at $2,700 you could be pretty sure they weren't using cheap components.
 
2012-07-26 10:29:44 PM

theurge14: Biased graphic? Yours has several that say "mock up". I pulled my images from a mobile review site from 2007 and the current ones from the first three pages Samsung's current mobile offerings on their own website.


Yes, biased, because given the graphic I posted it's clear that Samsung was already developing, or thinking about developing touch screen devices that. In fact, given the designs Sammy was conceptualizing, if not actually building, their Android phones look like natural progressions from the same.
 
2012-07-26 10:40:03 PM

Shadow writer: theurge14: Biased graphic? Yours has several that say "mock up". I pulled my images from a mobile review site from 2007 and the current ones from the first three pages Samsung's current mobile offerings on their own website.

Yes, biased, because given the graphic I posted it's clear that Samsung was already developing, or thinking about developing touch screen devices that. In fact, given the designs Sammy was conceptualizing, if not actually building, their Android phones look like natural progressions from the same.


It proves as much as Microsoft's Courier images proved.
 
2012-07-27 01:02:38 AM

BullBearMS: change1211: How come there was no MacBook on either of those graphs? Doesn't that make it kind of hard to compare?

Because those are from the just published today first look at the new revision of the Dell XPS 15.

If you want the numbers for the recent Macbook refresh you would read the review of the Macbook and find the numbers there.

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As I've mentioned before, that ASUS Zenbook Prime has an really nice display panel.

Also, the Razer Blade has a really nice display panel, but at $2,700 you could be pretty sure they weren't using cheap components.


Damn, sounds like I should be looking at the Zenbook.
 
2012-07-27 01:27:49 AM

change1211: Damn, sounds like I should be looking at the Zenbook.


So far, the Zenbook Prime is the best of the Windows Ultrabooks.

The one that is testing out so well has a 11.6-inch 1920 x 1080 IPS display panel. That's quite a high DPI for a display panel that small as well.

Just make sure you look at Zenbook Primes. The prior model was just called a Zenbook and was a steaming pile of shiat.
 
2012-07-27 01:33:30 AM

theurge14: Shadow writer: theurge14: Biased graphic? Yours has several that say "mock up". I pulled my images from a mobile review site from 2007 and the current ones from the first three pages Samsung's current mobile offerings on their own website.

Yes, biased, because given the graphic I posted it's clear that Samsung was already developing, or thinking about developing touch screen devices that. In fact, given the designs Sammy was conceptualizing, if not actually building, their Android phones look like natural progressions from the same.

It proves as much as Microsoft's Courier images proved.


If your original assertion was that Samsung ripped off the look of the iPhone, you've been conclusively proven wrong, regardless of the when the actual products were released. It's obvious that the blank rectange design was in development at Samsung LONG before the iPhone came out. The model numbers are listed right up there. "Mock-up" status is irrelevant. A mock-up is still prior art.

As much as I hear people hating on the "rabid Apple fanboys" that supposedly abound on the internet, I must admit I don't often see people that actually fit the description as obnoxiously as you do.
 
2012-07-27 01:45:51 AM

BullBearMS: change1211: Damn, sounds like I should be looking at the Zenbook.

So far, the Zenbook Prime is the best of the Windows Ultrabooks.

The one that is testing out so well has a 11.6-inch 1920 x 1080 IPS display panel. That's quite a high DPI for a display panel that small as well.

Just make sure you look at Zenbook Primes. The prior model was just called a Zenbook and was a steaming pile of shiat.


Yeah I remember that release, that was terrible. I've got the original Asus Transformer with a keyboard and it's doing a pretty good job as a video player, 16GB of internal memory and two 32GB SD cards means I can fit a whole bunch of videos on it and the battery lasts about 14 hours. Very nice compared to the 1.75 hours that my laptop gets.
 
2012-07-27 09:01:28 AM

Z-clipped: theurge14: Shadow writer: theurge14: Biased graphic? Yours has several that say "mock up". I pulled my images from a mobile review site from 2007 and the current ones from the first three pages Samsung's current mobile offerings on their own website.

Yes, biased, because given the graphic I posted it's clear that Samsung was already developing, or thinking about developing touch screen devices that. In fact, given the designs Sammy was conceptualizing, if not actually building, their Android phones look like natural progressions from the same.

It proves as much as Microsoft's Courier images proved.

If your original assertion was that Samsung ripped off the look of the iPhone, you've been conclusively proven wrong, regardless of the when the actual products were released. It's obvious that the blank rectange design was in development at Samsung LONG before the iPhone came out. The model numbers are listed right up there. "Mock-up" status is irrelevant. A mock-up is still prior art.


Again, a mock-up proves nothing. An iPhone is not simply a rectangle. The iPhone was not simply an LG Prada with a different logo.

As much as I hear people hating on the "rabid Apple fanboys" that supposedly abound on the internet, I must admit I don't often see people that actually fit the description as obnoxiously as you do.

I posted facts without comment. Grow thicker skin, welcome to Fark, etc.
 
2012-07-27 12:53:57 PM

theurge14: I posted facts without comment.


You posted incomplete facts without comment in order to imply something. And I posted commentary on that implication. Like I said, if you were implying that Samsung styled its products after the iPhone (which is certainly what it looks like you're saying, since you unsuccessfully attempted to defend attacks on that position), you've been proven conclusively wrong. Prior art is prior art. Samsung was designing and building phones with similar look and feel to the iPhone before it was released. And yes actually, even if the F700 hadn't already existed, mock-ups DO prove that. That is, in fact, what mock-ups are for.

theurge14: An iPhone is not simply a rectangle.


It is until you turn it on. Were you implying something about the operating systems or software of Samsung phones previous to, and after the release of the iPhone? Because if so, pictures of phones with their screens turned off might not be the best way to get your point across. Or are you just backpedaling now?

theurge14: Grow thicker skin, welcome to Fark, etc.


I think you've mistaken my enjoying rubbing your nose in the fact that you were glib and pedantic and got your ass handed to you, for me being upset. Had you been correct about anything you posted in this thread, I wouldn't have even bothered to reply to you. I was just amazed to see such a caricature in the flesh (so to speak), since I hadn't really believed that people like you were real.

I also find it a little pathetic that you're so devoted to upholding the image of a company that has made millions of dollars selling a product that forces users to conform to its design, instead of conforming the product to its users. Apple's greatest success is in lifestyle marketing, not in creating a superior product. If you're going to go out of your way to congratulate them, congratulate them for convincing so many people that its more important for a phone/computer to make them feel good about themselves than for it to have any kind of versatile utility.

Cheers. Enjoy your iThings.
 
2012-07-27 04:25:06 PM

Z-clipped: theurge14: I posted facts without comment.

You posted incomplete facts without comment in order to imply something. And I posted commentary on that implication. Like I said, if you were implying that Samsung styled its products after the iPhone (which is certainly what it looks like you're saying, since you unsuccessfully attempted to defend attacks on that position), you've been proven conclusively wrong. Prior art is prior art. Samsung was designing and building phones with similar look and feel to the iPhone before it was released. And yes actually, even if the F700 hadn't already existed, mock-ups DO prove that. That is, in fact, what mock-ups are for.


The implication is that it's quite remarkable how Samsung (and the industry) changed their mobile products after the introduction of the iPhone. You can argue mock-ups and prior art all you want (and technically it doesn't qualify as prior art when it's kept from the public as trade secrets), and focus on details in similarities of form factor, but the truth is found in the actual product as a whole. Samsung was focusing on feature phones in 2007, afterwards they moved their focus to iPhone-like phones. That's the
implication you seem to be missing. Yes there was a LG Prada that "looked like" an iPhone, but it was a feature phone that was only similar at first glance. And same with the Samsung F700, while at first glance looked similar, turned out to have a slide-out keyboard and something called "Croix UI" on top of old feature phone OS. Samsung didn't ship their first Android phone until 2009. So no, the phones were not the same.

theurge14: An iPhone is not simply a rectangle.

It is until you turn it on. Were you implying something about the operating systems or software of Samsung phones previous to, and after the release of the iPhone? Because if so, pictures of phones with their screens turned off might not be the best way to get your point across. Or are you just backpedaling now?


What in the world are you talking about?

theurge14: Grow thicker skin, welcome to Fark, etc.

I think you've mistaken my enjoying rubbing your nose in the fact that you were glib and pedantic and got your ass handed to you, for me being upset. Had you been correct about anything you posted in this thread, I wouldn't have even bothered to reply to you. I was just amazed to see such a caricature in the flesh (so to speak), since I hadn't really believed that people like you were real.


Ass handed to me? Upset? Is there another Fark thread going on in your head that the rest of us are not aware of?

I also find it a little pathetic that you're so devoted to upholding the image of a company that has made millions of dollars selling a product that forces users to conform to its design, instead of conforming the product to its users. Apple's greatest success is in lifestyle marketing, not in creating a superior product. If you're going to go out of your way to congratulate them, congratulate them for convincing so many people that its more important for a phone/computer to make them feel good about t ...

Who are you talking to? And what are you babbling about?
 
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