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(ESPN)   MLS marketing tries to build national profile beyond Beckham tantrums by promoting potent rivalries and crazed supporters. Skeptic: "When your hottest team is in Portland, Oregon, it reinforces the perception you are a fringe sport"   ( espn.go.com) divider line
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2012-07-25 09:09:31 PM  

o5iiawah: Soccer isn't just for guys that are 5'8" and 160lbs.


Well PG's aren't that small and skinny, most are around 6'2 180 I'd say, which is perfect for a sport like soccer. My point really was that I'm not sure football players are the types that would work well when it comes to soccer, since it's a sport that generally requires strength and toughness, while hoops (at least the 1-3 positions) is more about speed, agility, height, and hops (which I believe would all be great assets for most soccer positions).
 
2012-07-25 09:18:48 PM  
For example, Dirk could be a goalie, LeBron could be a defender, Nash could be a midfielder, and Kobe could be a forward.
 
2012-07-25 09:26:13 PM  

drewogatory: Just for comparison: The average annual basic salary in the Championship in 2009-10 was £211,068, in League One it was £73,320 and in League Two it was £38,844. The overall median salary for MLS players now sits at $80,000 or somewhere in between the English 3rd and 4th divisions. Something like 100 out of MLS's approx. 400 players are paid the league minimum of $40k. So, basically no way in hell is the MLS a top farking 12 league in the world. It's a farking laughable argument. Maybe, maybe, maybe the very top MLS team could somehow stay up in the Championship, but the average MLS team would find itself in League 2 pretty damn fast.


Playing the 'average salary' game between leagues without salary caps and leagues with a salary cap gets silly. The starting XI for my home team (SKC, no Designated Players) averages $178k (£115k). But, because of the salary cap business, to get even to that level, you have to fill the rest of the roster with $40k dross. The whole league looks like that... 9-10 players who would be Championship or near-relegation in the Netherlands, and the rest of the roster would lose to a Championship youth squad.
 
2012-07-25 09:46:46 PM  

seumasokelly: KJUW89: seumasokelly: Seattle is the biggest draw in the league

This. 2 1/2 years of consecutive sellouts. Over 50,000 to watch the Chelsea game.

Including 64k for Kasey Keller's final regular season game. IIRC, the largest crowd ever for an MLS game.


The first LA Galaxy home game in the Rose Bowl in 1996 got 69,000. Later that same year, they got 92,000 for a double header with the Mexican national team.
 
2012-07-25 10:00:29 PM  

Balchinian: MLS marketing tries to build national profile beyond Beckham tantrums by promoting potent rivalries and crazed supporters.

Well there's your problem.

Instead of promoting tnagential things like the fans or the one celeb player you have, try promoting the sport itself...the exciting play, or the dramatic scoring, or the amazing feats of physical strength involved. Oh, right...soccer. Never mind.


They just need to market it to insomniacs. It would be a huge hit.
 
2012-07-25 10:00:56 PM  
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An MLS team was one goal (scored by a Chilean) away from being the best team north of Panama and going to the World Club Championship.

Any other discussion is just a waste of Drew's electrons.

How's a Premiereship team going to do in 90 F heat and 90 degree humidity in Houston? How is Route One going to work in Commerce City or Sandy at high elevation in 85 degree heat?
 
2012-07-25 10:05:27 PM  

Anonymocoso: An MLS team was one goal (scored by a Chilean) away from being the best team north of Panama and going to the World Club Championship.

Any other discussion is just a waste of Drew's electrons.

How's a Premiereship team going to do in 90 F heat and 90 degree humidity in Houston? How is Route One going to work in Commerce City or Sandy at high elevation in 85 degree heat?


Ugh...that was such a kick in the gut.
 
2012-07-25 10:33:55 PM  

AntonChigger: seumasokelly: Portland is the hottest team in the league? Last place in the West, outscored 11-3 in their last 3 games, including giving up 5 goals twice, and on their 2nd head coach of the season. Yeah they sound pretty hot.

Maybe they were good the previous season?

/Don't watch MLS
//Might someday
///Several years of recereational soccer as a kid


Someone is sucking Portland's cock. They haven't been in the league long enough AND they have a tiny stadium (granted one that is fun as fark to watch soccer in). The Seattle Sounders FC - the team that draws 10,000 more fans to each game than the next highest drawing team in the MLS (we're talking over 39,000 per game average at home)? That is your hot team. Started hot this year, hit a run of bad games but have popped a win and a draw going into the All-Star break and will easily make the playoffs again. As well as quite possibly winning an unprecedented 4th straight US Open Cup. You don't get any hotter than that! fark Portland!

/homer
//season ticket holder
 
2012-07-25 10:50:22 PM  

my lip balm addiction: they have a tiny stadium


Neutral on the PNW score, but you really can't call JELD-WEN 'tiny' as MLS goes. 11 MLS teams play in front of fewer home seats than Timbers (though Chivas, DC, and the Revs could open more seats), and they're within a hundred of Dallas.
 
2012-07-25 11:03:47 PM  
For all the soccer haters:
F off. Soccer is here for good. They may not be big 4 anytime soon but being big 4 just means expensive tickets and shiattier fan experience. MLS is where the big 4 leagues were decades ago you know, the good old days people yearn for. There is a deeper connection to the team and the teams are more approachable.

For the europhiles who hate on MLS. You are missing out. Then again most of you are bandwagoners who will jump on when the league is better. Something is off about getting up at the ass crack of dawn to watch "your team" thousands of miles away. Football and booze are more enjoyable at 7 pm than 7 am.
 
2012-07-25 11:22:05 PM  

PDid: For all the soccer haters:
F off. Soccer is here for good. They may not be big 4 anytime soon but being big 4 just means expensive tickets and shiattier fan experience. MLS is where the big 4 leagues were decades ago you know, the good old days people yearn for. There is a deeper connection to the team and the teams are more approachable.

For the europhiles who hate on MLS. You are missing out. Then again most of you are bandwagoners who will jump on when the league is better. Something is off about getting up at the ass crack of dawn to watch "your team" thousands of miles away. Football and booze are more enjoyable at 7 pm than 7 am.


Most drinks I had at 7am were a hell of a lot more interesting than the ones at 7pm. Also nothing like being at the bar for first call.
 
2012-07-25 11:26:12 PM  
A question for US MLS/soccer fans....

Do you think that MLS will ever do Promotion/relegation as a regular concept (you could consider some of the recent "expansion" teams as "promotions", but, not really in the European fashion)... either within MLS (have MLS split into 2 12-16 team "levels"), or with the "AAA" soccer league of the US (that the USL now?).

Is it that US fans wouldn't "go for it"? Or that US business rules of operating leagues are just structured differently than how it is done in Europe?
 
2012-07-25 11:42:39 PM  

dletter: A question for US MLS/soccer fans....

Do you think that MLS will ever do Promotion/relegation as a regular concept (you could consider some of the recent "expansion" teams as "promotions", but, not really in the European fashion)... either within MLS (have MLS split into 2 12-16 team "levels"), or with the "AAA" soccer league of the US (that the USL now?).

Is it that US fans wouldn't "go for it"? Or that US business rules of operating leagues are just structured differently than how it is done in Europe?


No, for multiple reasons.

The lower level leagues are as organized as a shiat-throwing contest in a monkey cage at a zoo. The teams are all extremely broke, play in front of 3,000 people at most, and if that starts to increase, then the city starts seeing MLS asperations. Hell, D2 NASL was only formed two years ago because those teams sued the USL over promotional issues, and the USSF had to step in two years ago to oversee the whole thing not falling apart.

The MLS is a single-entity league, like every other pro league in North America. The only other soccer league I can think of that does this is the Australian League. Unless the MLS is willing to buy the NASL and USL Pro, none of the franchise CEO's are willing to expel themselves for the next season.

Geography is a huge issue. If San Antonio stays on top of the NASL and gets promoted to the MLS, can they afford the massive travel to more opponents? Right now, their biggest travel issue is to Edmonton, Minneapolis and Puerto Rico. Imagine trying to pay for a trip to San Jose and Los Angeles and Vancouver and Portland and... The United States isn't as small like England, where every league is a bus league. It's just simply not practical.
 
2012-07-26 12:07:03 AM  

PDid: For the europhiles who hate on MLS. You are missing out. Then again most of you are bandwagoners who will jump on when the league is better. Something is off about getting up at the ass crack of dawn to watch "your team" thousands of miles away. Football and booze are more enjoyable at 7 pm than 7 am.


Eh, it's hard to fault people for not having "their team" be in the MLS. Quite a few of us have followed the sport decades before the MLS was formed, involving multiple now-defunct local franchises from other leagues (in some cases, also defunct). That and it's considerably easier to get free, legal coverage of the EPL & Championship vs the MLS in some markets (the Fire, for instance, don't even have an English-language radio broadcast, while I can stream the BBC to my phone for free). I guess I'm not one who really hates on the MLS, though, since I try to attend at least a game or two each year...
 
2012-07-26 12:26:40 AM  

PDid: For all the soccer haters:
F off. Soccer is here for good. They may not be big 4 anytime soon but being big 4 just means expensive tickets and shiattier fan experience. MLS is where the big 4 leagues were decades ago you know, the good old days people yearn for. There is a deeper connection to the team and the teams are more approachable.

For the europhiles who hate on MLS. You are missing out. Then again most of you are bandwagoners who will jump on when the league is better. Something is off about getting up at the ass crack of dawn to watch "your team" thousands of miles away. Football and booze are more enjoyable at 7 pm than 7 am.


I'm over 40. By the time MLS is worth watching maybe my grandkids will be able to take their grandkids to a decent match.
 
2012-07-26 12:32:41 AM  

seumasokelly: Portland is the hottest team in the league? Last place in the West, outscored 11-3 in their last 3 games, including giving up 5 goals twice, and on their 2nd head coach of the season. Yeah they sound pretty hot.


Hot enough to fire the head coach mid-season for losing every single road game.

/so hot it burns!
 
2012-07-26 12:45:15 AM  
Citing attendance numbers to convince farkers that MLS is worth watching is like citing AB InBev sales numbers to convince farkers that Budweiser is worth drinking.
 
2012-07-26 03:06:32 AM  

give me doughnuts: From a global perspective, every American sport is a "fringe" sport.


no one gives a shiat, hth

penthesilea: It's not like we're talking about roller derby or competitive hide & seek.


Close!

KJUW89: This. 2 1/2 years of consecutive sellouts.


nnnnnnnnnnnnnope

See the below picture of this Sounders "sellout?" The entirety of the upper decks are completely empty.

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Saying "we sold every ticket we put up for sale!" Is garbage. That stadium is half empty.

TonnageVT: footy pubs


christ soccer fans are awful

Rodrigo Hernandez: Seattle and Portland have the best support in MLS.


Both cities are packed with wannabe Eurotrash hipsters. No coincidence.
 
2012-07-26 07:43:35 AM  

Anonymocoso: The first LA Galaxy home game in the Rose Bowl in 1996 got 69,000. Later that same year, they got 92,000 for a double header with the Mexican national team.


That was pretty much a home game for Mexico
 
2012-07-26 08:17:07 AM  
BigJake

You sound fat.
 
2012-07-26 09:40:52 AM  
If anyone had any sense, rather than trying to convert athletes to soccer players, they'd start a team handball league. Basketball and football players could transition to that MUCH more easily. Team handball is the only reason to watch the Olympics, athletically (obviously there's always beach volleyball and random hurdlers).
 
2012-07-26 09:48:56 AM  

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: Geography is a huge issue.


True, this is something that is forgotten sometimes with this (even by me). To have a comparison, the UK is a pretty small country by geography (94,000 sq mi), but has 64 million people. That is a population density of 660 people per sq mi... only 4 U.S. states are higher than that (NJ, RI, Massachusetts, Connecticut... all small NE original colony states).

So, you are very correct.... while a "regional" soccer league in New England or even the entire east coast could possibly have two 12-16 team divisions that have "promotion/relegation", doing that in a league that spans the entire U.S. is impractical just on that level most likely.
 
2012-07-26 12:24:49 PM  

BigJake:
KJUW89: This. 2 1/2 years of consecutive sellouts.

nnnnnnnnnnnnnope

See the below picture of this Sounders "sellout?" The entirety of the upper decks are completely empty.

[i.imgur.com image 472x297]

Saying "we sold every ticket we put up for sale!" Is garbage. That stadium is half empty.


The 39k per game that the Sounders draw is comparable to BPL teams. Sounders have drawn a full sellout of the CLink for an MLS regular season game and have drawn 50k+ for international friendlies.
 
2012-07-26 03:06:39 PM  

TonnageVT: You sound fat.


you continue to be wrong, grats

seumasokelly: Sounders have drawn a full sellout of the CLink for an MLS regular season game and have drawn 50k+ for international friendlies.


Good. At least now we're not calling not-even-close-to-sellouts sellouts anymore.
 
2012-07-27 01:14:45 AM  
Defending the flounders kills me, but they don't open the upper level to ticket sales for most game. So the customers there are buying up all the available seats, thus it's a sellout. Selling 33000+ seats a match is better than most baseball teams, and better than any European teams.
 
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