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2012-07-25 09:43:09 AM
People who are in well organized groups dislike anarchy. Story at 11
 
2012-07-25 09:45:57 AM
74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.


...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.
 
2012-07-25 09:48:00 AM
If gun control nuts join the NRA, does that really make it a false flag operation?

/The NRA: Aiming For You
 
2012-07-25 09:48:47 AM
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

I'm sorry but no. Simply getting arrested should not infringe on your rights.
 
2012-07-25 09:55:10 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

I'm sorry but no. Simply getting arrested should not infringe on your rights.


Yeah, i was actually thinking the same thing, even though I'm very pro-gun control. Maybe they skimmed past the "arrest" part and just thought it meant conviction.
 
2012-07-25 10:00:31 AM
What does the NRA say about backing Romney, even though he banned assault rifles (or tried to) in his state and under Obama gun rights have been the same or expanded? Are they admitting that they are blatantly partisan?
 
2012-07-25 10:05:39 AM

Politicandy: The Stealth Hippopotamus: 68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

I'm sorry but no. Simply getting arrested should not infringe on your rights.

Yeah, i was actually thinking the same thing, even though I'm very pro-gun control. Maybe they skimmed past the "arrest" part and just thought it meant conviction.


Or possibly you both skimmed the concealed carry part of the sentence ...
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 10:09:17 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.

I'm sorry but no. Simply getting arrested should not infringe on your rights.


I imagine that they mean arrests resulting in convictions.
 
2012-07-25 10:15:40 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Or possibly you both skimmed the concealed carry part of the sentence ...


nope, read that part. Still doesnt matter. You should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Unless someone radically changed something last night that's still the way it should be. I know that is not how it always works.

vpb: I imagine that they mean arrests resulting in convictions


Then that is what they should say. If they are that half arsed about the press releases than whats to stop them from being that half arsed when writing the law??
 
2012-07-25 10:17:43 AM

Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.


1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.
 
2012-07-25 10:25:00 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: nope, read that part. Still doesnt matter. You should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Unless someone radically changed something last night that's still the way it should be. I know that is not how it always works.


I get that, and I agree with that, what I was questioning was your assumption that the "concealed carry" part was a constitutional right.
 
2012-07-25 10:26:59 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Or possibly you both skimmed the concealed carry part of the sentence ...

nope, read that part. Still doesnt matter. You should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Unless someone radically changed something last night that's still the way it should be. I know that is not how it always works.

vpb: I imagine that they mean arrests resulting in convictions

Then that is what they should say. If they are that half arsed about the press releases than whats to stop them from being that half arsed when writing the law??


A lot of people think arrest=criminal. These are the law and order types that think if the police arrest you, you must have been doing something wrong. From my experience, these law and order types are mostly very conservative; exactly the same base that makes up a significant portion of the NRA.
 
2012-07-25 10:28:02 AM

simplicimus: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.


Probably fighting in public or similar.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-25 10:28:48 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DammitIForgotMyLogin: Or possibly you both skimmed the concealed carry part of the sentence ...

nope, read that part. Still doesnt matter. You should be presumed innocent until proven guilty. Unless someone radically changed something last night that's still the way it should be. I know that is not how it always works.

vpb: I imagine that they mean arrests resulting in convictions

Then that is what they should say. If they are that half arsed about the press releases than whats to stop them from being that half arsed when writing the law??


By not letting PR people write the law? Using "arrest" to mean "arrest for something you are convicted of" may not be precisely accurate, but it is pretty common in ordinary speech.
 
2012-07-25 10:38:47 AM
Yeah, like this will change anything the NRA says. Any gun control will still remain the same as destroying the 2nd Amendment.

Of course, the NRA will also endorse Romney, who signed an assault weapons ban into law, over Obama, who has increased gun rights in the last four years.
 
2012-07-25 10:46:38 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: I get that, and I agree with that, what I was questioning was your assumption that the "concealed carry" part was a constitutional right.


I'm not saying concealed carry is a constitutional right. I'm saying that any right (not all rights are constitutional) that a person can be granted from the state or local government should not be infringed upon unless someone is convected of the crime. An accusation should not limit someone from enjoying what every law abiding citizen enjoys.
 
2012-07-25 10:51:37 AM

dr_blasto: simplicimus: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.

Probably fighting in public or similar.


Littering. And creating a nuisance.
 
2012-07-25 10:55:02 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DammitIForgotMyLogin: I get that, and I agree with that, what I was questioning was your assumption that the "concealed carry" part was a constitutional right.

I'm not saying concealed carry is a constitutional right. I'm saying that any right (not all rights are constitutional) that a person can be granted from the state or local government should not be infringed upon unless someone is convected of the crime. An accusation should not limit someone from enjoying what every law abiding citizen enjoys.


Being insane isn't a crime, and historically, crazy people with easy access to guns has always worked well.
 
2012-07-25 10:55:02 AM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: DammitIForgotMyLogin: I get that, and I agree with that, what I was questioning was your assumption that the "concealed carry" part was a constitutional right.

I'm not saying concealed carry is a constitutional right. I'm saying that any right (not all rights are constitutional) that a person can be granted from the state or local government should not be infringed upon unless someone is convected of the crime. An accusation should not limit someone from enjoying what every law abiding citizen enjoys.


In which case, I was misunderstanding you, and disagreeing with a statement you didn't make. My apologies :)

/agrees with the point you were actually making.
 
2012-07-25 10:57:29 AM
As a gun owner let me say this

CLOSE THE FARKING GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE. Jesus Christ that makes absolutely no sense that we regulate gun stores but any idiot fresh out of a mental institution with $500 can buy a freaking Glock.
 
2012-07-25 10:58:49 AM

simplicimus: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.


The way it's defined in the Brady law is you lose your gun rights if you are convicted of a misdemeanor with a possible sentence of over 1 year. You do not have to receive that sentence it just has to be possible. I lost my gun rights over a 90 day sentence. Max sentence was 23 months. Sucks! It has been 7 years and I am going to try and get a pardon soon. Hoping PA gets a new Governor in November. Help me out PA farkers.
 
2012-07-25 11:00:52 AM

sammyk: simplicimus: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.

The way it's defined in the Brady law is you lose your gun rights if you are convicted of a misdemeanor with a possible sentence of over 1 year. You do not have to receive that sentence it just has to be possible. I lost my gun rights over a 90 day sentence. Max sentence was 23 months. Sucks! It has been 7 years and I am going to try and get a pardon soon. Hoping PA gets a new Governor in November. Help me out PA farkers.


Did you commit the crime?
 
2012-07-25 11:14:04 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: The Stealth Hippopotamus: DammitIForgotMyLogin: I get that, and I agree with that, what I was questioning was your assumption that the "concealed carry" part was a constitutional right.

I'm not saying concealed carry is a constitutional right. I'm saying that any right (not all rights are constitutional) that a person can be granted from the state or local government should not be infringed upon unless someone is convected of the crime. An accusation should not limit someone from enjoying what every law abiding citizen enjoys.

In which case, I was misunderstanding you, and disagreeing with a statement you didn't make. My apologies :)

/agrees with the point you were actually making.


I'm just glad I could dumb it down enough for you to understand.

:)
 
2012-07-25 11:15:13 AM

Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.


But even they would go insane if someone introduced these very regulations.

They support theoretical limits but actual limits involve the government who, according to their belief system, are secretly trying to take their guns.
 
2012-07-25 11:57:20 AM
I'm a gun owner and concealed carry permit holder and I hate the NRA. I rarely carry, mostly when I'm out traipsing around in the woods, fly fishing, or working on my hunting lease. The permit means I won't get hassled transporting a loaded firerarm in my car on the way to do these things.

The NRA doesn't represent me on most gun issues and I'd wager that most gun owners don't give a hoot about owning an assault rifle or armor piercing rounds and they don't think the government is involved in a conspiracy to take away their guns.

I believe you're going to start seeing a backlash against the NRA as their positions become more and more fringe. We've seen it here even coming from some of the far right state politicians.
 
2012-07-25 11:58:57 AM

Mugato: ...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.


There was no way to know this would happen. He's never been arrested, he's not on any mental health radars, he was just simply a dude.

You cannot prevent random violence.
 
2012-07-25 11:59:04 AM

Bontesla: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

But even they would go insane if someone introduced these very regulations.

They support theoretical limits but actual limits involve the government who, according to their belief system, are secretly trying to take their guns.


The above-mentioned regulations already exist in the vast majority of of state that have concealed carry.
 
2012-07-25 12:18:01 PM

Fark It: Bontesla: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

But even they would go insane if someone introduced these very regulations.

They support theoretical limits but actual limits involve the government who, according to their belief system, are secretly trying to take their guns.

The above-mentioned regulations already exist in the vast majority of of state that have concealed carry.


That doesn't change the argument that if someone introduced a redundant bill reaffirming these regulations, some people would go into hysterics.
 
2012-07-25 12:25:33 PM

NuttierThanEver: As a gun owner let me say this

CLOSE THE FARKING GUN SHOW LOOPHOLE. Jesus Christ that makes absolutely no sense that we regulate gun stores but any idiot fresh out of a mental institution with $500 can buy a freaking Glock.


I agree completely. Gun Shows are so loosely regulated it makes a farce of gun control laws.
 
2012-07-25 12:25:48 PM

Bontesla: Fark It: Bontesla: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

But even they would go insane if someone introduced these very regulations.

They support theoretical limits but actual limits involve the government who, according to their belief system, are secretly trying to take their guns.

The above-mentioned regulations already exist in the vast majority of of state that have concealed carry.

That doesn't change the argument that if someone introduced a redundant bill reaffirming these regulations, some people would go into hysterics.


True, that doesn't change your strawman.
 
2012-07-25 12:31:11 PM

GAT_00: sammyk: simplicimus: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.

The way it's defined in the Brady law is you lose your gun rights if you are convicted of a misdemeanor with a possible sentence of over 1 year. You do not have to receive that sentence it just has to be possible. I lost my gun rights over a 90 day sentence. Max sentence was 23 months. Sucks! It has been 7 years and I am going to try and get a pardon soon. Hoping PA gets a new Governor in November. Help me out PA farkers.

Did you commit the crime?


Doesn't really matter. As I mentioned in last night's thread, I have to get rid of my guns because my stepson, a non-violent felon, will be living with us when he gets paroled.
BTW, GAT don't you ever sleep?
 
2012-07-25 12:33:31 PM

dahmers love zombie: dr_blasto: simplicimus: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.

Probably fighting in public or similar.

Littering. And creating a nuisance.


"What you'd get, son?"
 
2012-07-25 12:38:18 PM

simplicimus: GAT_00: sammyk: simplicimus: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.

The way it's defined in the Brady law is you lose your gun rights if you are convicted of a misdemeanor with a possible sentence of over 1 year. You do not have to receive that sentence it just has to be possible. I lost my gun rights over a 90 day sentence. Max sentence was 23 months. Sucks! It has been 7 years and I am going to try and get a pardon soon. Hoping PA gets a new Governor in November. Help me out PA farkers.

Did you commit the crime?

Doesn't really matter. As I mentioned in last night's thread, I have to get rid of my guns because my stepson, a non-violent felon, will be living with us when he gets paroled.
BTW, GAT don't you ever sleep?


No, I never sleep. EVER. And you didn't answer the question, which of course actually answered the question.

As for other comments up thread, damn phones and quoting, if he was forced to pass a psych evaluation before buying the gun, this might have been prevented.
 
2012-07-25 12:40:25 PM

Fark It: Bontesla: Fark It: Bontesla: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

But even they would go insane if someone introduced these very regulations.

They support theoretical limits but actual limits involve the government who, according to their belief system, are secretly trying to take their guns.

The above-mentioned regulations already exist in the vast majority of of state that have concealed carry.

That doesn't change the argument that if someone introduced a redundant bill reaffirming these regulations, some people would go into hysterics.

True, that doesn't change your strawman.


What misrepresentation has taken place?
 
2012-07-25 12:43:56 PM

GAT_00: simplicimus: GAT_00: sammyk: simplicimus: Mugato: 74 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who have completed gun safety training.
68 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants who do not have prior arrests for domestic violence.
63 percent of NRA members believe concealed carry permits should only be granted to applicants 21 years of age or older.
75 percent of NRA members believe that concealed carry permits should be granted only to those applicants who have not committed any violent misdemeanors.

...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

1 & 3, possibly 2, are already part of the Texas CC requirements. No idea what a violent misdemeanor is.

The way it's defined in the Brady law is you lose your gun rights if you are convicted of a misdemeanor with a possible sentence of over 1 year. You do not have to receive that sentence it just has to be possible. I lost my gun rights over a 90 day sentence. Max sentence was 23 months. Sucks! It has been 7 years and I am going to try and get a pardon soon. Hoping PA gets a new Governor in November. Help me out PA farkers.

Did you commit the crime?

Doesn't really matter. As I mentioned in last night's thread, I have to get rid of my guns because my stepson, a non-violent felon, will be living with us when he gets paroled.
BTW, GAT don't you ever sleep?

No, I never sleep. EVER. And you didn't answer the question, which of course actually answered the question.

As for other comments up thread, damn phones and quoting, if he was forced to pass a psych evaluation before buying the gun, this might have been prevented.


Hey, I'm not the guy with misdemeanor. I've got nothing on my record, except for various traffic violations.
 
2012-07-25 12:46:45 PM

what_now: You cannot prevent random violence.


typical gun-grabbing libtardo
 
2012-07-25 12:47:52 PM

mysticcat: I'm a gun owner and concealed carry permit holder and I hate the NRA. I rarely carry, mostly when I'm out traipsing around in the woods, fly fishing, or working on my hunting lease. The permit means I won't get hassled transporting a loaded firerarm in my car on the way to do these things.

The NRA doesn't represent me on most gun issues and I'd wager that most gun owners don't give a hoot about owning an assault rifle or armor piercing rounds and they don't think the government is involved in a conspiracy to take away their guns.

I believe you're going to start seeing a backlash against the NRA as their positions become more and more fringe. We've seen it here even coming from some of the far right state politicians.


Well, the NRA doesn't represent gun owners in general. They are a political organization that works to put conservatives in office. They gave Mitt farking Romney a "B" while they've assigned an "F" to Obama. Not to mention they seem to arbitrarily assign grades to help Republicans
 
2012-07-25 12:59:33 PM
As the Mayors Against Illegal Guns group points out, this survey of gun-owners and NRA members seems to contradict the official position of the NRA.

It's against one of their official positions. It's not against their other official position: endorsing republicans over democrats no matter the positions or history of the politicians in question.
 
2012-07-25 12:59:35 PM
Once again - shockingly - we learn that the entire country leans center-left when it comes to policy. It's only when you start slapping proper names on things that people turn into far-right drooling idiots.
 
2012-07-25 01:00:41 PM

what_now: Mugato: ...so Holmes could have spent $100 or whatever it is to get training on how to better fire his gun, gotten that certificate and he'd be one of the boys, in the concealed carry club. That's a helluva system you got there.

There was no way to know this would happen. He's never been arrested, he's not on any mental health radars, he was just simply a dude.

You cannot prevent random violence.


Careful--you'll unravel the Patriot Act and the TSA, and then where would we be?!
 
2012-07-25 01:01:34 PM
people in the NRA oppose all gun control laws because they know how the slippery slope works. its not because they think all of it is necessarily bad.
 
2012-07-25 01:03:06 PM
a new survey conducted by GOP pollster Frank Luntz reveals that a surprising majority of gun owners support certain gun control measures. Specifically, they don't love the idea of letting crazy people carry guns.

Bunch of RINOs.
 
2012-07-25 01:04:05 PM

youfoundthekingbaby: people in the NRA oppose all gun control laws because they know how the slippery slope works. its not because they think all of it is necessarily bad are deep in the pocket of gun and ammo manufacturers and are led by irrational paranoiacs.


FTFY
 
2012-07-25 01:05:12 PM

youfoundthekingbaby: people in the NRA oppose all gun control laws because they know how the slippery slope works. its not because they think all of it is necessarily bad.


They know how a logical fallacy works??
 
2012-07-25 01:07:31 PM

youfoundthekingbaby: people in the NRA oppose all gun control laws because they know how the slippery slope works. its not because they think all of it is necessarily bad.


"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds."

Apparently, it works on the macro level, too.
 
2012-07-25 01:07:44 PM
Reads article: The Daily Dolt indeed.
 
2012-07-25 01:10:17 PM
dr_blasto

mysticcat: I'm a gun owner and concealed carry permit holder and I hate the NRA. I rarely carry, mostly when I'm out traipsing around in the woods, fly fishing, or working on my hunting lease. The permit means I won't get hassled transporting a loaded firerarm in my car on the way to do these things.

The NRA doesn't represent me on most gun issues and I'd wager that most gun owners don't give a hoot about owning an assault rifle or armor piercing rounds and they don't think the government is involved in a conspiracy to take away their guns.

I believe you're going to start seeing a backlash against the NRA as their positions become more and more fringe. We've seen it here even coming from some of the far right state politicians.

Well, the NRA doesn't represent gun owners in general. They are a political organization that works to put conservatives in office. They gave Mitt farking Romney a "B" while they've assigned an "F" to Obama. Not to mention they seem to arbitrarily assign grades to help Republicans



Since you are telling blatant lies, why not tell us all about your super hot girlfriend that lives in Canada?
 
2012-07-25 01:13:10 PM
I believe that my neighbor's disturbed, drug-addled 18 y.o. son should be able to buy a military-style machine gun and unlimited ammo at our local Wal-Mart store.

But that's only because I'm a deranged sociopath and want most of the people in my neighborhood dead. Starting with his parents.

If I was a normal and responsible citizen, I'd probably believe very differently.
 
2012-07-25 01:14:48 PM
sammyk:

The way it's defined in the Brady law is you lose your gun rights if you are convicted of a misdemeanor with a possible sentence of over 1 year. You do not have to receive that sentence it just has to be possible. I lost my gun rights over a 90 day sentence. Max sentence was 23 months. Sucks! It has been 7 years and I am going to try and get a pardon soon. Hoping PA gets a new Governor in November. Help me out PA farkers.

18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1) says that anyone "who has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year" is barred from possessing a gun. The only felonies that are not covered by the federal gun ban are 1) those "pertaining to antitrust violations, unfair trade practices, restraints of trade, or other similar offenses relating to the regulation of business practices," per 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(20)(A); and 2) felony convictions from foreign countries.

18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(20)(B), says that a "crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year" does not include "any State offense classified by the laws of the State as a misdemeanor and punishable by a term of imprisonment of two years or less."
 
2012-07-25 01:18:36 PM
Only gun control measure I support is a small waiting period (like three days) from purchase to pick-up.

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
Permits are just a round about way to infringe on the second amendment.

Apparently asking for an ID to vote is the end of the world, but requiring permits and other hoops to exercise another right is ok...
 
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