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(Politico)   Democrats make emotional plea for gun control: "[High] magazines are developed for law enforcement, for military and not to be readily available, " Yes, clearly a hysterical statement, someone call a mental health professional   (politico.com) divider line 416
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2012-07-25 08:00:49 AM  
But the high capacity magazine stopped him from killing more people when it jammed.

It should be shown as a hero.
 
2012-07-25 08:02:26 AM  

MugzyBrown: But the high capacity magazine stopped him from killing more people when it jammed.

It should be shown as a hero.


I'm not sure that's a safety feature.
 
2012-07-25 08:03:14 AM  
You know how people say that if you hate the Gov so bad why not move to Somalia?

Well, if you hate guns that bad, why dont you move to the UK? You'll be safe there. Sure, there are cameras on every street corner with speakers, you can get sued for negligence if a robber breaks a bone on your property, and you will get the best dentistry in the world. A liberal paradise indeed
 
2012-07-25 08:03:22 AM  

MugzyBrown: But the high capacity magazine stopped him from killing more people when it jammed.

It should be shown as a hero.


*slow clap*
 
2012-07-25 08:03:42 AM  
Most of the know-nothings wouldn't know a hicap if it bit them in the ass. They just stand for what the NRA tells the GOP to advocate.
 
2012-07-25 08:04:05 AM  
If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.

/But if they understood that then they couldn't try to disarm the public
//so they call it lunacy and march ever on in their crusade
 
2012-07-25 08:04:07 AM  
"Those magazines are developed for law enforcement, for military and not to be readily available," Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) said at a news conference

No, they're horribly unreliable. The sad truth is he probably would have killed more people if he used smaller magazines and practiced quickly reloading. Thankfully he's a f*cking nutcase who watched too many movies.
 
2012-07-25 08:05:20 AM  
If your magazines are too high, move them to a lower shelf.

And "high-capacity" doesn't mean a dammed thing. I've seen people bleat about a 5-round internal magazine on a Lee-Enfield being "high-capacity" (as well as the gun itself being a "dangerous military weapon"), and I've seen even stupider people whine about a Ruger No.1 Sporter being too "high-capacity" (hint: it's a single-shot rifle). It's an arbitrary value. As long as there's an arbitrary limit of "X" that makes a magazine "high-capacity", there's going to be some idiot who will insist that we'll all be safe until magazine capacities are limited to "X-1".

You're living in a free society. You're not ever going to be "safe". Get the fark over it.
 
2012-07-25 08:05:34 AM  
I'm more concerned about how the asshole got teargas grenades. That seems to be the real problem here as they have NO civilian use.
 
2012-07-25 08:06:11 AM  
Ah the continued politicization of the issue. I seem to recall that when Cindy Sheehan said something she was above criticism because 'her son died! you monster! how dare you!'

Well, at least one of the victims family was on MSNBC and was asked about gun control. He said flatly that people shouldn't be trying to politicize this this and what we should concentrate on is remembering the victims.

So you either have to shut up and accept what he said or you're a monster and how dare you disagree with him.
 
2012-07-25 08:06:20 AM  

cman: You know how people say that if you hate the Gov so bad why not move to Somalia?

Well, if you hate guns that bad, why dont you move to the UK? You'll be safe there. Sure, there are cameras on every street corner with speakers, you can get sued for negligence if a robber breaks a bone on your property, and you will get the best dentistry in the world. A liberal paradise indeed


Some of us are willing to try to fix egregious errors with this country, and not advocate tossing everything out because somehow we'll magically be better if we don't have any laws.

Also, 20,000 people won't stop dying needlessly every year in this country if I get up and move.
 
2012-07-25 08:06:46 AM  

FightDirector: If your magazines are too high, move them to a lower shelf.

And "high-capacity" doesn't mean a dammed thing. I've seen people bleat about a 5-round internal magazine on a Lee-Enfield being "high-capacity" (as well as the gun itself being a "dangerous military weapon"), and I've seen even stupider people whine about a Ruger No.1 Sporter being too "high-capacity" (hint: it's a single-shot rifle). It's an arbitrary value. As long as there's an arbitrary limit of "X" that makes a magazine "high-capacity", there's going to be some idiot who will insist that we'll all be safe until we'll only be safe if magazine capacities are limited to "X-1".

You're living in a free society. You're not ever going to be "safe". Get the fark over it.


Early mornings suck.
 
2012-07-25 08:07:41 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: I'm more concerned about how the asshole got teargas grenades. That seems to be the real problem here as they have NO civilian use.


This.

How the hell did he get those?
 
2012-07-25 08:07:44 AM  

Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.

/But if they understood that then they couldn't try to disarm the public
//so they call it lunacy and march ever on in their crusade


Exactly, where would the Libyan people be right now if they didn't have access to high powered weapons...
 
2012-07-25 08:08:00 AM  
Stop infringing on my right to own nuclear weapons in-case the Obama ACRON army comes for daughters in the night to try and put them in a FEMA camp.


WOLVERINES!
 
2012-07-25 08:08:14 AM  

Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.

/But if they understood that then they couldn't try to disarm the public
//so they call it lunacy and march ever on in their crusade


Yes, those are the only options for the 2nd Amendment.

Why is it that Republicans can't see the world as anything other than black and white?
 
2012-07-25 08:08:42 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: I'm more concerned about how the asshole got teargas grenades. That seems to be the real problem here as they have NO civilian use.


I will answer you with a quote from this thread.

Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.



I may not share this view but many do and if one applies it consistently, why not tear gas?
 
2012-07-25 08:08:42 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: "Those magazines are developed for law enforcement, for military and not to be readily available," Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.) said at a news conference

No, they're horribly unreliable. The sad truth is he probably would have killed more people if he used smaller magazines and practiced quickly reloading. Thankfully he's a f*cking nutcase who watched too many movies.


20 round magazines are not unreliable, that's what was banned as high capacity under the assault weapons ban. And capacity has nothing to do with reliability, it's just that giant magazines are novelty items, and they're generally not manufactured to as high of a tolerance as normal factory 20 or 30 round magazines.
 
2012-07-25 08:09:55 AM  
The lawmakers said they were troubled most members of Congress as well as President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney have said little about gun control since the massacre.

You do not use a tragedy to press through legislation unless you can show a clear fault or shortcoming with current laws which allowed the tragedy to occur. While I do think the capacity of the magazine is excessive, the influence of magazine size on the tragedy would not be clear. In general, less powerful, lower capacity, lower rate of fire, or simply lower quality weapons would be less effective in killing, but this would be hard to argue for; the magazine in this event simply happens to be notable and thus latched onto.
 
2012-07-25 08:10:14 AM  

cman: You know how people say that if you hate the Gov so bad why not move to Somalia?

Well, if you hate guns that bad, why dont you move to the UK? You'll be safe there. Sure, there are cameras on every street corner with speakers, you can get sued for negligence if a robber breaks a bone on your property, and you will get the best dentistry in the world. A liberal paradise indeed


That wouldn't really address the issue, but you moving to Somalia would indeed free you from the shackles of our government. Plus, guns! Lots of guns. And you know how to shoot like a real man, so you'll fit right in.
 
2012-07-25 08:10:40 AM  

Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.

/But if they understood that then they couldn't try to disarm the public
//so they call it lunacy and march ever on in their crusade


Stave off a tyrannical government? Who's going to do that? The Hoveround Hellfighters, blasting their way through all single-floor, non-hilly terrain until they are distracted by an Old Country Buffet?

I support the 2nd amendment and conceal-carry, but the idea that a bunch of American Idol watching, Mountain Dew chugging, three wolves shirt wearing dipshiats are somehow going to start a revolution is an NRA wank fantasy at best.
 
2012-07-25 08:11:08 AM  

cman: You know how people say that if you hate the Gov so bad why not move to Somalia?

Well, if you hate guns that bad, why dont you move to the UK? You'll be safe there. Sure, there are cameras on every street corner with speakers, you can get sued for negligence if a robber breaks a bone on your property, and you will get the best dentistry in the world. A liberal paradise indeed


You could do that, or you could stay here, organize and vote.
 
2012-07-25 08:11:18 AM  

DarnoKonrad: 20 round magazines are not unreliable, that's what was banned as high capacity under the assault weapons ban. And capacity has nothing to do with reliability, it's just that giant magazines are novelty items, and they're generally not manufactured to as high of a tolerance as normal factory 20 or 30 round magazines.


The 100 round drum magazines are being questioned. Some of them are probably sort of well made, but this kid bought the cheapest one he could find. I thought that ban was lifted? I see 30 round magazines for sale everywhere.

We only use 30 round magazines in the military. Belt fed machine guns are different and illegal for civilian use to begin with.
 
2012-07-25 08:11:21 AM  

GAT_00: Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.

/But if they understood that then they couldn't try to disarm the public
//so they call it lunacy and march ever on in their crusade

Yes, those are the only options for the 2nd Amendment.

Why is it that Republicans can't see the world as anything other than black and white?


Well you'd have to ask a republican, I'm decidedly liberal

/You should read profiles before you throw around accusations
 
2012-07-25 08:11:25 AM  
The right to bear arms is guaranteed by the Constitution.

Hence the nuclear missile in my garage is entirely legal.

Until and unless I detonate it it's nobody else's business.
 
2012-07-25 08:12:46 AM  
No they weren't, witnessed by the fact that they're unreliable, a biatch to huff and an even bigger pain in the ass to reload. I might use the Surefire hi caps if they prove to work, but they're also getting up to $200 a pop.

Anybody that thinks hicap magazines were developed for anybody but civilians is an idiot. The military has belt fed machine guns for that.
 
2012-07-25 08:12:55 AM  

cman: You know how people say that if you hate the Gov so bad why not move to Somalia?

Well, if you hate guns that bad, why dont you move to the UK? You'll be safe there. Sure, there are cameras on every street corner with speakers, you can get sued for negligence if a robber breaks a bone on your property, and you will get the best dentistry in the world. A liberal paradise indeed


uh, somalia vs. the UK? i don't think you're helping your cause at all.
 
2012-07-25 08:13:03 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: I'm more concerned about how the asshole got teargas grenades. That seems to be the real problem here as they have NO civilian use.


From what I've read, he bought the guns in sporting goods stores, made the apartment bombs himself, and bought the rest of his gear online.
 
2012-07-25 08:13:56 AM  

fracto73: Dwight_Yeast: I'm more concerned about how the asshole got teargas grenades. That seems to be the real problem here as they have NO civilian use.

I will answer you with a quote from this thread.

Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.



I may not share this view but many do and if one applies it consistently, why not tear gas?


I honestly don't know the legality of tear gas and I'm at work so can't google it.
 
2012-07-25 08:14:23 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: DarnoKonrad: 20 round magazines are not unreliable, that's what was banned as high capacity under the assault weapons ban. And capacity has nothing to do with reliability, it's just that giant magazines are novelty items, and they're generally not manufactured to as high of a tolerance as normal factory 20 or 30 round magazines.

The 100 round drum magazines are being questioned. Some of them are probably sort of well made, but this kid bought the cheapest one he could find. I thought that ban was lifted? I see 30 round magazines for sale everywhere.

We only use 30 round magazines in the military. Belt fed machine guns are different and illegal for civilian use to begin with.



Anything over 10 was considered "high capacity" and restricted to military and police use under the now defunct assault weapons ban. That's what I'm assuming he's referring to with regards to who should have access to these magazines.
 
2012-07-25 08:14:39 AM  

GAT_00: Some of us are willing to try to fix egregious errors with this country, and not advocate tossing everything out because somehow we'll magically be better if we don't have any laws.

Also, 20,000 people won't stop dying needlessly every year in this country if I get up and move.


There are several hundred laws already on the books related to gun control. I just don't think that hurriedly adding one more in a knee-jerk emotional response to a tragedy is going to end up giving us the one that ends up being the one that saves 20,000 peoples' lives.
 
2012-07-25 08:14:52 AM  

stoli n coke: From what I've read, he bought the guns in sporting goods stores, made the apartment bombs himself, and bought the rest of his gear online.


Those smoke grenades aren't legal. That's the question. Everyone is focusing on the guns but how the hell did he get the smoke grenades and explosives?
 
2012-07-25 08:15:28 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Dwight_Yeast: I'm more concerned about how the asshole got teargas grenades. That seems to be the real problem here as they have NO civilian use.

This.

How the hell did he get those?


Probably would have had the same effect in a movie theater with a couple of bottles of pepper spray
 
2012-07-25 08:15:38 AM  

DarnoKonrad: Anything over 10 was considered "high capacity" and restricted to military and police use under the now defunct assault weapons ban. That's what I'm assuming he's referring to with regards to who should have access to these magazines.


That's been lifted though right?
 
2012-07-25 08:16:22 AM  

GAT_00: cman: You know how people say that if you hate the Gov so bad why not move to Somalia?

Well, if you hate guns that bad, why dont you move to the UK? You'll be safe there. Sure, there are cameras on every street corner with speakers, you can get sued for negligence if a robber breaks a bone on your property, and you will get the best dentistry in the world. A liberal paradise indeed

Some of us are willing to try to fix egregious errors with this country, and not advocate tossing everything out because somehow we'll magically be better if we don't have any laws.

Also, 20,000 people won't stop dying needlessly every year in this country if I get up and move.


6000, tops. Whoever tried to sell you that number flat out lied to you.
 
2012-07-25 08:16:24 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: DarnoKonrad: Anything over 10 was considered "high capacity" and restricted to military and police use under the now defunct assault weapons ban. That's what I'm assuming he's referring to with regards to who should have access to these magazines.

That's been lifted though right?


yea.
 
2012-07-25 08:16:41 AM  

MugzyBrown: Probably would have had the same effect in a movie theater with a couple of bottles of pepper spray


True, he could have just done that but didn't he have actual tear gas devices? Or where they smoke grenades?
 
2012-07-25 08:16:52 AM  

stoli n coke: Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.

/But if they understood that then they couldn't try to disarm the public
//so they call it lunacy and march ever on in their crusade

Stave off a tyrannical government? Who's going to do that? The Hoveround Hellfighters, blasting their way through all single-floor, non-hilly terrain until they are distracted by an Old Country Buffet?

I support the 2nd amendment and conceal-carry, but the idea that a bunch of American Idol watching, Mountain Dew chugging, three wolves shirt wearing dipshiats are somehow going to start a revolution is an NRA wank fantasy at best.



While they could never stage a full on rebellion, an insurgency could be possible. Look how long it too to catch the DC sniper.
 
2012-07-25 08:17:22 AM  

Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.

/But if they understood that then they couldn't try to disarm the public
//so they call it lunacy and march ever on in their crusade


If you think having hicap mags or anything having to do with the 2nd amendment will stop a tyrannical government where defense spending is over 4% GDP then I have food and seed packs and gold coins to sell you for the coming revolt.
 
2012-07-25 08:18:44 AM  

FightDirector: I've seen people bleat about a 5-round internal magazine on a Lee-Enfield being "high-capacity" (as well as the gun itself being a "dangerous military weapon")


citation needed.

/Your straw man is showing.
 
2012-07-25 08:19:12 AM  

iq_in_binary: GAT_00: cman: You know how people say that if you hate the Gov so bad why not move to Somalia?

Well, if you hate guns that bad, why dont you move to the UK? You'll be safe there. Sure, there are cameras on every street corner with speakers, you can get sued for negligence if a robber breaks a bone on your property, and you will get the best dentistry in the world. A liberal paradise indeed

Some of us are willing to try to fix egregious errors with this country, and not advocate tossing everything out because somehow we'll magically be better if we don't have any laws.

Also, 20,000 people won't stop dying needlessly every year in this country if I get up and move.

6000, tops. Whoever tried to sell you that number flat out lied to you.


Go check death stats. That's suicides and homicides by guns. I looked it up myself.

So I guess the facts lied to me, and your partial truth is the "real" truth.
 
2012-07-25 08:19:20 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: stoli n coke: From what I've read, he bought the guns in sporting goods stores, made the apartment bombs himself, and bought the rest of his gear online.

Those smoke grenades aren't legal. That's the question. Everyone is focusing on the guns but how the hell did he get the smoke grenades and explosives?


Not a hundred percent sure, but I'll bet there are some unscrupulous sellers online. Let's face it, he wasn't looking for this stuff on Amazon.

And like I said, police said it appears a lot of the booby trap explosives in his apartment were homemade. Remember, this guy was studying to be a brain surgeon, so he probably had the smarts to cook something up.
 
2012-07-25 08:19:28 AM  
199 people have been murdered in Philly so far this year, all without 100 round mags. Does that make everybody feel better?

Would this event been more palatable if he used a short gun and a revolver?
 
2012-07-25 08:20:09 AM  

EatHam: There are several hundred laws already on the books related to gun control. I just don't think that hurriedly adding one more in a knee-jerk emotional response to a tragedy is going to end up giving us the one that ends up being the one that saves 20,000 peoples' lives.


iq_in_binary: 6000, tops. Whoever tried to sell you that number flat out lied to you.


If he really gave a shiat about things that kill people he'd advocate banning the wheel.
 
2012-07-25 08:20:27 AM  

Fail in Human Form: GAT_00: Fail in Human Form: If you believe the 2nd amendment is only about hunting than this makes perfect sense. If you understand that the 2nd amendment is to help stave off a possible tyrannical government then it makes no sense.

/But if they understood that then they couldn't try to disarm the public
//so they call it lunacy and march ever on in their crusade

Yes, those are the only options for the 2nd Amendment.

Why is it that Republicans can't see the world as anything other than black and white?

Well you'd have to ask a republican, I'm decidedly liberal

/You should read profiles before you throw around accusations


Yeah, because everyone tells the truth in their profiles.

You gave a black and white opinion. That is what you find from the right.
 
2012-07-25 08:20:51 AM  

stoli n coke: Not a hundred percent sure, but I'll bet there are some unscrupulous sellers online. Let's face it, he wasn't looking for this stuff on Amazon.

And like I said, police said it appears a lot of the booby trap explosives in his apartment were homemade. Remember, this guy was studying to be a brain surgeon, so he probably had the smarts to cook something up.


Hmmm good point. As much as a psycho as he was, he probably had enough intelligence to make something up. Although, the media can embellish things at times. Who knows what "explosives" they even were.

Maybe he had a bunch of MRE bombs daisy chained
 
2012-07-25 08:21:32 AM  

fracto73: While they could never stage a full on rebellion, an insurgency could be possible. Look how long it too to catch the DC sniper.


1) The DC sniper was two people.
2) Those two people were shooting civilians.
3) Go ahead, try to shoot "the government" and see how long your last.

/Was living and working in northern Virginia during that sniper thing and it was pretty terrifying, these guys shooting people at gas stations and in parking lots.
 
2012-07-25 08:22:14 AM  

MugzyBrown: 199 people have been murdered in Philly so far this year, all without 100 round mags. Does that make everybody feel better?

Would this event been more palatable if he used a short gun and a revolver?


I would be gobsmacked if he managed to kill twelve and wound fifty with a revolver.
 
2012-07-25 08:22:35 AM  
Oh in related news, Maryland is set to lift their concealed carry restrictions making it a "shall issue" state.

The Baltimore police said they don't care, they're concerned with illegal guns and not legal gun owners. They made this comment after someone said the gunfire in the city would increase exponentially.
 
2012-07-25 08:22:44 AM  

EatHam: GAT_00: Some of us are willing to try to fix egregious errors with this country, and not advocate tossing everything out because somehow we'll magically be better if we don't have any laws.

Also, 20,000 people won't stop dying needlessly every year in this country if I get up and move.

There are several hundred laws already on the books related to gun control. I just don't think that hurriedly adding one more in a knee-jerk emotional response to a tragedy is going to end up giving us the one that ends up being the one that saves 20,000 peoples' lives.


Those laws aren't preventing mass slaughter, or 20k dead a year. And what I'm saying was exactly as true a week ago as they are today. You just refuse to think about them because you can claim emotional response and refuse to do anything.
 
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