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2012-07-25 07:33:59 AM
What's it like, living in your simple world, subby? Does not being able to understand anything happening around you fill you with rage because there seems to be so much injustice? Or does it make you content, because you lack the imagination needed to dream of better things? I know my dog is content, but I realize that just because you two share an IQ doesn't mean you share an outlook on life. So I'm curious what you think.
 
2012-07-25 08:42:14 AM
That article reads like it was written by a community college graduate.
 
2012-07-25 09:14:38 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What's it like, living in your simple world, subby? Does not being able to understand anything happening around you fill you with rage because there seems to be so much injustice? Or does it make you content, because you lack the imagination needed to dream of better things? I know my dog is content, but I realize that just because you two share an IQ doesn't mean you share an outlook on life. So I'm curious what you think.


Meth, this early?
 
2012-07-25 09:27:28 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What's it like, living in your simple world, subby? Does not being able to understand anything happening around you fill you with rage because there seems to be so much injustice? Or does it make you content, because you lack the imagination needed to dream of better things? I know my dog is content, but I realize that just because you two share an IQ doesn't mean you share an outlook on life. So I'm curious what you think.


Who pissed in your cheerios this morning?

Glad the girl got help, and is going to contribute to society, unlike her parents.
 
2012-07-25 10:14:54 AM
Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
i63.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-25 10:16:39 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What's it like, living in your simple world, subby? Does not being able to understand anything happening around you fill you with rage because there seems to be so much injustice? Or does it make you content, because you lack the imagination needed to dream of better things? I know my dog is content, but I realize that just because you two share an IQ doesn't mean you share an outlook on life. So I'm curious what you think.


diaryofamadgayman.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-25 10:17:08 AM

Diogenes: rumpelstiltskin: What's it like, living in your simple world, subby? Does not being able to understand anything happening around you fill you with rage because there seems to be so much injustice? Or does it make you content, because you lack the imagination needed to dream of better things? I know my dog is content, but I realize that just because you two share an IQ doesn't mean you share an outlook on life. So I'm curious what you think.

Meth, this early?


I was told there would be no meth.
 
2012-07-25 10:17:30 AM
I just had a slow, painful process to establish residency at the local U after I hadn't needed to for the previous 3 semesters. When I applied I was in a status that didn't require residency and allowed me the same rates as in-state (non-degree/non-grad). They made a change in policy that everyone had to have residency established, or not, and if it hadn't been established before it was on the student to prove it now. Needless to say, after receiving their mail at home and working in one of their buildings for two years, all proof was needed as if it was day one. I pissed about it and got what I needed but all the while I knew beauracracy will be beauracracy and it wasn't any one person or things 'fault'.

tl;dr beauracracy sucks, but it is what it is, and it is rarely newsworthy
 
2012-07-25 10:17:35 AM
It would not be much of a stretch to imagine that college admissions/financial aid departments get conned frequently by students attempting to get in-state rates, thus causing the highly-suspicious posture they demonstrated in this article. That, or they are lazy ;-/
 
2012-07-25 10:18:15 AM
annie's boobs thread?

t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-25 10:18:19 AM

SecretAgentWoman: rumpelstiltskin: What's it like, living in your simple world, subby? Does not being able to understand anything happening around you fill you with rage because there seems to be so much injustice? Or does it make you content, because you lack the imagination needed to dream of better things? I know my dog is content, but I realize that just because you two share an IQ doesn't mean you share an outlook on life. So I'm curious what you think.

Who pissed in your cheerios this morning?

Glad the girl got help, and is going to contribute to society, unlike her parents.


Forget it, he's (t)rolling.
 
2012-07-25 10:19:41 AM
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2012-07-25 10:22:32 AM

Dylan and Eric: It would not be much of a stretch to imagine that college admissions/financial aid departments get conned frequently by students attempting to get in-state rates, thus causing the highly-suspicious posture they demonstrated in this article. That, or they are lazy ;-/


Where I live (metropolitan area straddling two states), the elementary and high schools are so diverse that it truly matters which one your kid attends. Many people enroll their children under friends' addresses, just so their kids can go to a school on one side of the state line or another.
 
2012-07-25 10:23:44 AM
i enrolled at the county community college years ago for some night school. the claimed i was out of the county and therefore would have to pay the higher tuition rate. i walked out to my car and got my ADC county map book and showed them my street and that it was clearly within the county.

"but your city is in another county"

it's actually at the point where three counties meet and a fourth is a few miles away. moreons.
 
2012-07-25 10:25:03 AM
After all it is VA(gina). Why integrate a community college with townies?
 
2012-07-25 10:25:07 AM

Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
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Two years at community college for transferable classes with cheap tuition, then spend rest of her time pursuing a Bachelors or Masters degree. If that's her plan, I would say it's the smart thing to do.

/worked for me
 
2012-07-25 10:26:57 AM

Masterstuff: Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
[i63.photobucket.com image 271x376]

Two years at community college for transferable classes with cheap tuition, then spend rest of her time pursuing a Bachelors or Masters degree. If that's her plan, I would say it's the smart thing to do.

/worked for me


Graduating with hionors got No 2 son a 4 year free ride to a major university. No 3 son will probably go the CC/transfer route. Daughter is gonna have to marry up.
 
2012-07-25 10:27:51 AM
FTFA: However, a few weeks ago, TCC put a block on Taylor's account. She says admission officials told her because her grandparents, her legal guardians, live in North Carolina, she would be considered an out-of-state student. Those fees are nearly three times higher than in-state tuition, and something neither Taylor nor her grandparents can afford.

"I didn't understand because I had lived here for at least four years," said Taylor.

Taylor appealed the decision and included her aunt and uncle's tax documents showing they claimed her as a dependent on their Virginia taxes. TCC did not change their minds.


In other words, there's more to the story? I thought to get the in-state tuition price, you have to do more than just 'live' somewhere, you have to prove that you intend to be a resident, like changing your ID, getting a voter registration card in the new state, all that stuff. Did she do any of that? And if she's living with her aunt, why are her grandparents still claiming her as a dependent?

That's ghetto. The ghetto is full of that crap.

And why is an Indiana court's decision involved in whether someone is a resident of Virginia and North Carolina?????? this whole story makes no sense. If I'm parsing this right, she's a Hoosier, her grandparents in North Carolina were given custody, but the family sent her to live with her aunt in Virginia instead and the Indiana courts were contacted after the fact to back up the aunt, which the Indiana courts did?

It's a mess.

Anyway, either this chick has done everything to prove she intends to be a resident, or she has not. The way the story reads, it's like they were contacted by this chick's supporters to write a pro story, so that's what the newspaper did. If this chick hasn't gone through all the motions to prove residency beyond 'I live here', then she isn't a resident of Virginia she's only visiting.
 
2012-07-25 10:28:40 AM

Masterstuff: Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
[i63.photobucket.com image 271x376]

Two years at community college for transferable classes with cheap tuition, then spend rest of her time pursuing a Bachelors or Masters degree. If that's her plan, I would say it's the smart thing to do.

/worked for me


This. It doesn't matter where the credits come from, just what the name of the university on the diploma is. 30 of my credits came from CLEP and DANTES tests.
 
2012-07-25 10:30:37 AM
Penn State would probably give her a good deal.
 
2012-07-25 10:31:03 AM
Because we all know it's about the party.

touchfm.org
 
2012-07-25 10:32:14 AM
How can her aunt and uncle claim her on their tax returns if her grandparents are her legal guardians?

And do they claim her on their tax returns, too?
 
2012-07-25 10:34:19 AM

Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
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Go to community college, get AA, transfer to university and get your BA in two years. It's cheap, effective, and a very intelligent way to not spend a ton on university classes. English 101 at your local community college is just as good as English 101 at your local university, but at a fraction of the cost.
 
2012-07-25 10:34:34 AM

Crewmannumber6: Masterstuff: Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
[i63.photobucket.com image 271x376]

Two years at community college for transferable classes with cheap tuition, then spend rest of her time pursuing a Bachelors or Masters degree. If that's her plan, I would say it's the smart thing to do.

/worked for me

Graduating with hionors got No 2 son a 4 year free ride to a major university. No 3 son will probably go the CC/transfer route. Daughter is gonna have to marry up.


I graduated with honors as well, but I was in the 11th percentile in my graduating class. Top 5% got 4 year free ride offer while top 10% got a 2 year free ride offer with chance of renewal. I didn't get shiat.

/was moving so I couldn't have accepted
//majority of students did not accept the offer either
///the catch was the scholarship was from Arizona State
 
2012-07-25 10:34:37 AM

asciibaron: i enrolled at the county community college years ago for some night school. the claimed i was out of the county and therefore would have to pay the higher tuition rate. i walked out to my car and got my ADC county map book and showed them my street and that it was clearly within the county.

"but your city is in another county"

it's actually at the point where three counties meet and a fourth is a few miles away. moreons.

Laurel, MD?
 
2012-07-25 10:35:13 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: And if she's living with her aunt, why are her grandparents still claiming her as a dependent?


The aunt claimed her as a dependent but the grandparents were her legal guardians. The article doesn't say they claimed her.

The school saw that the legal guardians were out of state and charged her out of state tuition.
 
2012-07-25 10:35:26 AM
Who the fark pays out-of-state tuition at a community college? Has that ever happened?


/didn't know community colleges had become all uppity and sh*t
 
2012-07-25 10:37:10 AM

Masterstuff: Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
[i63.photobucket.com image 271x376]

Two years at community college for transferable classes with cheap tuition, then spend rest of her time pursuing a Bachelors or Masters degree. If that's her plan, I would say it's the smart thing to do.

/worked for me


I just heard an ad on the radio yesterday for our local CC. It sounded like two successful years there would all but guarantee admission to UCF.

If that's what works for you, go for it! Not everyone can or does take the "traditional" path.
 
2012-07-25 10:37:13 AM

Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
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Two years at a community college, and she'll be able to transfer to a state school. Her Pell Grant will cover the costs of her tuition and fees.

This is the *SMART* way to do it.

By the way, kudos to this girl. Bounced around from relative to relative and a junky mother, and she's on the right track.
 
2012-07-25 10:38:28 AM
According to state law where I live (Colorado), the school made the correct decision in denying her in-state tuition. She was not legally emancipated from her scummy parents, and simply living in a place for four years with her grandparents and being claimed on taxes does not grant residency - otherwise, all these undocumented students clamoring for in-state tuition would be eligible for residency. The grandparents should have applied for custody.

I run across this same situation every year in our admissions office. It sucks, but that's the way it be.
 
2012-07-25 10:38:58 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What's it like, living in your simple world, subby? Does not being able to understand anything happening around you fill you with rage because there seems to be so much injustice? Or does it make you content, because you lack the imagination needed to dream of better things? I know my dog is content, but I realize that just because you two share an IQ doesn't mean you share an outlook on life. So I'm curious what you think.


dontwannahearit.com
 
2012-07-25 10:39:21 AM
All I was saying is if she graduated with honors, some colleges should be throwing scholarships at her. Not a lot, but some.
 
2012-07-25 10:40:32 AM

asciibaron: i enrolled at the county community college years ago for some night school. the claimed i was out of the county and therefore would have to pay the higher tuition rate. i walked out to my car and got my ADC county map book and showed them my street and that it was clearly within the county.

"but your city is in another county"

it's actually at the point where three counties meet and a fourth is a few miles away. moreons.


That's got to be a nightmare for going to court. I know most cities either grow to the county line and no further, with different cities on each side, or petition the state to expand one county around the entire city limits, just to reduce the administration burden. Or create their own damn county, if they get big enough.
 
2012-07-25 10:42:01 AM
"I knew that we had been over a lot of hurdles with her growing up," said Daniel Hunnings. "I thought we had finished that."

WTF?!? You thought you had finished all of life's hurdles?

Taylor's mother had issues with drug use while raising Taylor and her siblings in another state.

Oh, you guys are crack heads. nm
 
2012-07-25 10:45:01 AM
Virginia is notorious for giving people a hard time for in-state tuition. Trying to get in state rate as a grad student is all but impossible unless your parents live in state and you grew up there.
 
2012-07-25 10:46:24 AM

Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
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If you don't have much money, community college is a good way of getting your general requirements out of the way for cheap.
 
2012-07-25 10:49:23 AM
Residency for tuition purposes is more complex than it should be. At my med school, it was very difficult to prove residency (had to document you lived there for a certain time, payed state taxes, etc), and there was a $20,000 a year difference in price. Also, once you were out of state, you can't switch even if you establish residency later.
 
2012-07-25 10:50:47 AM

mama2tnt: How can her aunt and uncle claim her on their tax returns if her grandparents are her legal guardians?

And do they claim her on their tax returns, too?


You can claim a niece if she lived with you more than six months of the year and the legal guardians do not claim her.
 
2012-07-25 10:55:30 AM
Crewmannumber6

Graduating with honors got No 2 son a 4 year free ride to a major university. No 3 son will probably go the CC/transfer route. Daughter is gonna have to marry up.

What's she look like? For a friend...of course.
 
2012-07-25 10:56:00 AM

Crewmannumber6: All I was saying is if she graduated with honors, some colleges should be throwing scholarships at her. Not a lot, but some.


Times have changed, nearly every university out there has been jacking up tuition every year, sometimes every semester, for the last 5-6 years. The well's run pretty dry for all but the absolute top students out there, the rest have to do their own legwork for grants and scholarships with more competition from people who used to get free rides. At a CC, a Pell Grant mostly or fully covers your expenses for the year, and the main qualification for that that you have to be breathing, can fill out a form, and your parents aren't moderately wealthy.

Plus not everyone wants to spend 4+ years in school, some people want some exposure to higher learning while working, even fresh out of high school, and community colleges will work around work like no one else.
 
2012-07-25 11:02:46 AM

deathon2legs: According to state law where I live (Colorado), the school made the correct decision in denying her in-state tuition. She was not legally emancipated from her scummy parents, and simply living in a place for four years with her grandparents and being claimed on taxes does not grant residency - otherwise, all these undocumented students clamoring for in-state tuition would be eligible for residency. The grandparents should have applied for custody.

I run across this same situation every year in our admissions office. It sucks, but that's the way it be.


I had this happen to me when I was in school - way back in the late '70s. I had lived in Colorado all my life and after I got into college (on a full scholarship), had a stable job and my own place, my father moved out of state. Surprise! Since you are under 21 and hadn't lived away from home for a year, you are now considered an out-of-state student. Oh, and your scholarship won't cover that. Thank goodness they got grants to cover the difference while I waited out the one year or I would have had to drop out.
 
2012-07-25 11:10:39 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: FTFA: However, a few weeks ago, TCC put a block on Taylor's account. She says admission officials told her because her grandparents, her legal guardians, live in North Carolina, she would be considered an out-of-state student. Those fees are nearly three times higher than in-state tuition, and something neither Taylor nor her grandparents can afford.

"I didn't understand because I had lived here for at least four years," said Taylor.

Taylor appealed the decision and included her aunt and uncle's tax documents showing they claimed her as a dependent on their Virginia taxes. TCC did not change their minds.


In other words, there's more to the story? I thought to get the in-state tuition price, you have to do more than just 'live' somewhere, you have to prove that you intend to be a resident, like changing your ID, getting a voter registration card in the new state, all that stuff. Did she do any of that? And if she's living with her aunt, why are her grandparents still claiming her as a dependent?

That's ghetto. The ghetto is full of that crap.

And why is an Indiana court's decision involved in whether someone is a resident of Virginia and North Carolina?????? this whole story makes no sense. If I'm parsing this right, she's a Hoosier, her grandparents in North Carolina were given custody, but the family sent her to live with her aunt in Virginia instead and the Indiana courts were contacted after the fact to back up the aunt, which the Indiana courts did?

It's a mess.

Anyway, either this chick has done everything to prove she intends to be a resident, or she has not. The way the story reads, it's like they were contacted by this chick's supporters to write a pro story, so that's what the newspaper did. If this chick hasn't gone through all the motions to prove residency beyond 'I live here', then she isn't a resident of Virginia she's only visiting.


I cannot really offer more comment, but this effectively sums it up. Just having an address in the state does not prove residency. Additionally if a person has a job and uses an address in another state as the 'home' location for tax purposes then there is not much recourse. Same applies for their parents, which is primarily where any extra money will come from, and their income and other information is used as a basis of eligibility

Funding of this nature is severely cutthroat and can be limited or taken away if the policies, which are set by the state and federal governments and not a college itself, are not followed.

The only thing a prospective student has to do is show exactly why they are a resident of that state. It can be as simple as a tax return, an Id card, and a piece of mail in most cases. But, in some of the more problematic cases it can include court documents, and even more bizarre documents(e.g. immigration papers) all going to show that yes indeed a specific person is a resident.

As for this, it happens every single day at every single community college, college, and university in the nation, so not sure why this is a story. And from the article I can see why it could be an issue if she didn't provide proper documentation.

I really do hope this girl succeeds. It's our mission, and a big reason for why I work here.
 
2012-07-25 11:11:20 AM

Crewmannumber6: All I was saying is if she graduated with honors, some colleges should be throwing scholarships at her. Not a lot, but some.


Let's say UNC throws a $5k scholarship at her. She gets a $5500 Pell grant and a $5500 loan. The budget is just under $21000. She needs to come up with just under $5k, ON TOP of her Direct Loan.

She'll probably get the independent unsub for $4000, so she's just a grand short.

I'm sure this kid has a grand lying around, and having a $9500 loan for her first year isn't a problem at all!
 
2012-07-25 11:11:39 AM

Crewmannumber6: Masterstuff: Crewmannumber6: Graduated with honors and is going to community college?
[i63.photobucket.com image 271x376]

Two years at community college for transferable classes with cheap tuition, then spend rest of her time pursuing a Bachelors or Masters degree. If that's her plan, I would say it's the smart thing to do.

/worked for me

Graduating with hionors got No 2 son a 4 year free ride to a major university. No 3 son will probably go the CC/transfer route. Daughter is gonna have to marry up.


Maybe she got a 4 year free ride to a major university, but still can't afford room and board, so she's going to live with her aunt for a couple more years.

Or maybe she's had a farked up home life and craves the stability and support that her aunt has given her. I'm sure not going to fault this kid (whose mother ran off on her) for not feeling ready to run off and live on her own the instant she turns 18.
 
2012-07-25 11:19:08 AM

Dylan and Eric: It would not be much of a stretch to imagine that college admissions/financial aid departments get conned frequently by students attempting to get in-state rates, thus causing the highly-suspicious posture they demonstrated in this article. That, or they are lazy ;-/


That or they just want to collect the out of state tuition amount.

I've been living in Maryland for three years, but when I tried to take some courses this summer at a community college they wanted to charge me out of state tuition. The only way to appeal was to fill out a 12 page petition, send them copies of three months utility statements, previous year's state and federal tax returns, copy of my driver's license and birth certificate and a copy of my rental contract along with a notarized letter from my landlord stating that I had in fact been living there for the past year. I told them to go fark themselves.
 
2012-07-25 11:29:12 AM

rumpelstiltskin: What's it like, living in your simple world, subby? Does not being able to understand anything happening around you fill you with rage because there seems to be so much injustice? Or does it make you content, because you lack the imagination needed to dream of better things? I know my dog is content, but I realize that just because you two share an IQ doesn't mean you share an outlook on life. So I'm curious what you think.


i.imgur.com

/Unless you're like this without them. In that case, seek some, without delay.
 
2012-07-25 11:29:38 AM

TheGreenMonkey: The only thing a prospective student has to do is show exactly why they are a resident of that state. It can be as simple as a tax return, an Id card, and a piece of mail in most cases. But, in some of the more problematic cases it can include court documents, and even more bizarre documents(e.g. immigration papers) all going to show that yes indeed a specific person is a resident.


It sounded like the problem was with proving the woman was her aunt, not proving residence. Which they seemed to do with tax returns.
 
2012-07-25 11:44:15 AM

StrangeQ: I've been living in Maryland for three years, but when I tried to take some courses this summer at a community college they wanted to charge me out of state tuition. The only way to appeal was to fill out a 12 page petition, send them copies of three months utility statements, previous year's state and federal tax returns, copy of my driver's license and birth certificate and a copy of my rental contract along with a notarized letter from my landlord stating that I had in fact been living there for the past year. I told them to go fark themselves.


You sure showed them!!
 
2012-07-25 11:44:41 AM
I went to a Community College. My Dad taught there (I paid $3/credit hour) and I had a scholarship from the state. I was literally paid to go to school. I just socked that money away and used it to pay for the last 2 1/2 years at the state university (dual major program).

And yes, if you have good grades at the CC and you follow the transfer rules/programs, you can get 100% of your classes to transfer and you get automatically accepted into the next school.

An example would be St. Louis Community College and UMSL. A 4 year retail ride would run you about $20,000.
 
2012-07-25 12:23:07 PM
It's kind of amazing to me what schools do now-a-days to limit the specifics of "in-state".
When I went to Nebraska in the early 80s, my parents, and thus me as well, lived overseas.
I paid out-of-state for one semester. To gain in-state status, I needed:
- Local Bank account
- State Drivers license.
- 6 months residency (dorms were eligible).

/yeah, I'm old.
//my lawn...
///etc.
 
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