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(Mother Nature Network)   If you prefer to feed your pet dog only natural foods, the good news is you're giving him the diet he normally would eat in the wild. The bad news is you're also giving him the parasites he would normally eat in the wild   (mnn.com) divider line 63
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2012-07-25 12:12:23 PM
May I point out that the article only mentions parasites in the context of what wild animals a cat might catch and eat?

The raw pet foods typically sold are frozen cold enough that any parasites should be killed.
 
2012-07-25 12:12:54 PM

doubled99: I guess it only makes sense that people are passing their imaginary sensitivities to food onto their pets now.


And then there's this.
 
2012-07-25 12:25:21 PM

doubled99: I guess it only makes sense that people are passing their imaginary sensitivities to food onto their pets now.


I actually spent the money to have my dog blood tested for allergies. His skin issues were so severe at such an early age and he was horribly miserable. I had the extra money to spend on it and found out it was because he was allergic to grains, which was what the current dog food I was feeding him was mainly comprised of. Switched to grain-free and viola, happy puppy. But, I am one of those people who enjoys the simple pleasures of companionship with other people, and from friendly animals as well...

/I think I eat some sort of grain every single day... so, no. No transference.
 
2012-07-25 12:26:54 PM

t3knomanser: Anecdote: my cats adore raw food and are generally healthier while on it. They've lost a lot of weight, are more active, and their coats are much healthier. Also, unlike canned food, it doesn't smell vomitous.


Anecdote backed up. My girls have been on raw for a couple years now. We used to prepare our own, but now buy pre-prepared stuff, made locally. It has everything we used to put in our own, except for chunks to help their teeth. For that, they get cut up pieces when we're preparing our food.

They still play like kittens at age 3, have beautiful coats and the litter box is very manageable.
 
2012-07-25 12:51:30 PM
I use Honest Kitchen (human grade dehydrated food) mixed with raw veggies and meat and my dog loves it and is super healthy.

I know one stupid lady who kept insisting raw chicken will give a dog salmonella.
 
2012-07-25 01:27:03 PM
I feed the dogs raw. There is a place in Austin called Sad Dog Sushi where you can get home deloivery. When we don't mess with them I scan the ads for whatever meat is on sale. Most of the time they get chicken thighs with organ meet on occassion. Other times we by large boston butts and cut them up.

Their cots are shint, they are happy etc. But side effect is the pooh dries itself out to a white whusk and disentegrates. No messy yards.
 
2012-07-25 02:16:48 PM

Mr Guy: Hobnay: And you feed raw because the cooking kills off a lot of vitamins.

Mostly hogwash.

Don't cook your oranges, most other things, just don't cook them into total mush or burn them.


You're looking at it wrong.

There's a thing here- cooked chicken bones are dangerous, they splinter. RAW bones are not, they'll grind them up while eating and digest them away. I know, I pick up their poop. Bones and marrow have nutrients you can't get in the meat itself.

They do digest differently. Cooked meat is greasy.
 
2012-07-25 02:51:01 PM

mrpbear: I feed the dogs raw. There is a place in Austin called Sad Dog Sushi where you can get home deloivery. When we don't mess with them I scan the ads for whatever meat is on sale. Most of the time they get chicken thighs with organ meet on occassion. Other times we by large boston butts and cut them up.

Their cots are shint, they are happy etc. But side effect is the pooh dries itself out to a white whusk and disentegrates. No messy yards.


I'm in Austin too. Got two Huskies. Huskies are a special dietary case because there's a gene for zinc malabsorption leading to zinc deficiency in some animals. That's not a superpower of course, it's just that their Northern diet was fish and seal meat and so high in zinc that being 10x worse at absorbing it wasn't noticed. Although, you can just give them a zinc supplement if you've got an affected animal. But raw bones will work too.

If you cook it bone-in, you gotta go full circle- about 3 hrs in pressure cooker turns the bones to mush. They crumble underneath a fork. Then they're safe to feed.

If you go to Wal-Mart here, you can get a 10lb bag of chicken leg quarters at $0.59/lb. That's far better than the grain-based kibble of course and actually cheaper. Yep and chicken gizzards, livers, and hearts. ZOMG people eat these?? It's a wrapped styrofoam tray full of HEARTS!! They love 'em- pop them as treats. Gotta wash your hands, though.

Carrots, sweet potatoes, squash, broccoli, all good. Don't feed a dog onions, there's a rare problem called hemolytic anemia this can cause. Celery and lettuce are kinda bad, they just have no nutritional value and just a waste of money- furthermore, celery strings, they can't chew those properly and they can potentially cause a bowel obstruction if you don't manually de-string it.

Kibble really is shiat, folks. I gotta say. It's almost all filler of wheat, corn and rice. Even that which is sold as "grain free" is still bulked with mostly starch, likely potato starch AFAIK.

Kibble is creepy. How do you have "chicken" in an open dry bag on the shelf? Would YOU eat that?? How does that work? Even beef jerky lasts only because it's in a vacuum pack, it actually doesn't have a real long shelf life once opened. What IS this stuff? The way that works is preservatives- lots and lots of preservatives. Hill's Science Diet uses not only but also BHA and BHT (which are used in prepared human food and other dog kibbles), but also ethoxyquin, a preservative not approved for HUMAN consumption because it's got questions about toxicity and carcinogenic potential.

All pet food is regulated by the FDA. However, they clearly don't regulate and inspect to the same standards- remember the 2007 pet food recall? That was melamine adulterant added by the wheat gluten supplier and a LOT of pet food manufacturers used it. Since then, there's still like monthly mass recalls (less public) of pet food for various contaminants- which I suppose means it's good that they're watching it, but bad that they're not effectively catching it BEFORE it goes out. It seems like they're probably inspecting a plant or the product itself, finding it's atrociously dangerous, ordering a recall, recalls get printed up and receive little notice, and the makers continue basically doing what they've always done for cost reasons.

Human food chain is SO MUCH better maintained than pet food. And it's just vastly cheaper. Cheap bulk brands of kibble are about $1/lb, premiums are more like $2. And they're mostly corn, wheat, or rice filler which isn't really a great diet. If you wanna do that just make 'em some corn or rice or whatever, it's cheaper and preservative-free. But really the high-value stuff is the meat protein, and that's only a very small % in these things.
 
2012-07-25 03:32:44 PM

mongbiohazard: I love the nonsense logic that people use with these things. Switch to the diet we, or the organism, ate in the wild.... You know, because when the life expectency was half that means the lifestyle must be healthier..... somehow, magically....


Life expectancy.... average... mean... infant mortality... yadda yadda yadda.

In the old days, 35 wasnt old.


URAPNIS: Is it a bad thing to just leave the food out all the time so the dog just eats when it gets hungry?

Mine eats like a cat. She just kind of gets around to it when she feels like it.


Depends on the dog. Ours meticulously rations her food, seems she always has 2 bites left after 24 hours when its feeding time again.


I almost got a job at a natural pet food store a while back, the owner explained it to me that while bagged dry food is healthy, its kinda boring, kinda like if you lived on nothing but combos and vitamins.

Although since most of us here subsist on cheetos and diet mt dew, i dont think that argument would hold much water with this crowd.


mrpbear: I feed the dogs raw. There is a place in Austin called Sad Dog Sushi where you can get home deloivery. When we don't mess with them I scan the ads for whatever meat is on sale. Most of the time they get chicken thighs with organ meet on occassion. Other times we by large boston butts and cut them up.

Their cots are shint, they are happy etc. But side effect is the pooh dries itself out to a white whusk and disentegrates. No messy yards.


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/for better or worse we have combined sewers here, any reason not to train my dog to just poop over the sewer grate?
 
2012-07-25 07:48:18 PM
Both of my dogs are raw fed. As in: Go to a farm/farmer, ask them if they have any meat not fit to sell (freezer burnt, just past a good age for what they're comfortable selling, etc). Give meat to dogs. Chicken, pork, beef, hearts, tongues, trotters, etc.

For the boy it's his only choice. We tried every kibble under the sun and he was a crapping machine. 5 or 6 times a day to the point there was blood in his stool from the strain. We even tried cooked rice and hamburger. The rice was enough to throw him off. Just hamburger? Fine. Our vet suggested raw (apparently she didn't go to a college sponsored by kibble makers). Picked up some chicken carcasses for cheap and literally the next day he had solid stool and has been fine since. He was so happy about his good poop he ran around the yard and did so for a month or so till the novelty wore off.

The girl is fed raw because it would be just annoying to do one kibble one raw. Besides, after seeing how happy he became, how nice his coat is, teeth and lack of kibble smells - it's just the way to go for us. We get a lot of compliments on how nice their teeth, fur and breath are.

As for "dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years" being a basis of raw being bad for them. Unless kibble came out the moment of domestication then time of domestication doesn't matter. The creation of kibble matters to the dog's evolutionary time track. The 150 years (or so) of kibble isn't enough to change their digestive system that much.

Both of my dogs are very healthy. Blood work and bone density tests back that up.

The 'taste of blood' won't turn a dog wild or make them crave blood or any of that foolishness.

I'm not really anti-kibble, for some people it works and they're fine with it. Yes they're just pets (working pets in our case). Yes they only live a certain amount of time. But when I took them on as pets I agreed, morally, to give them the best life I could.

If people are curious about raw we tell them our experiences and recommend they find a vet that understands it, it's benefits and drawbacks.

As for parasites. Freeze the meat for a couple days and it'll kill most anything. Let's face it, they drink dirty old pond water, eat things they shouldn't, so on. There's WAY more opportunity out there for nasties to get in them than well raised, well handled food.

Raw food doesn't have to be more expensive if done right. It does tend to be a little more time consuming. Sorta like making a meal for yourself or just getting fast food all the time. Kibble is convenient.

Just watch for salmonella kisses on chicken day and feed tripe OUTSIDE. :)
 
2012-07-25 08:01:23 PM
Food is dangerous?
 
2012-07-25 08:31:41 PM

Coolfusis: My cat won't eat raw food anymore. I don't know what he ate while he was a stray (probably bugs and whatever else he caught), but now he turns his nose up at anything that isn't the kibble or wet food he usually eats. I tried switching his foods a few times, but he never seems to take to it.


Cats can be finicky eaters. Some times you have to wean them onto it. Whenever I switched food on them when they were young it took 2-3 days for them to start eating it without reservation.

This product here it has a flavoring which encourages cats to eat it. So mixing that in with regular food should encourage them to eat it. Eventually they'll wean to it.
 
2012-07-26 10:40:01 AM
JohnNS:
Just watch for salmonella kisses on chicken day and feed tripe OUTSIDE. :)

Voice of experience?

I'm not sure I want to know o_O
 
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