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2012-07-25 09:01:21 AM
Um......

cocaine.org
 
2012-07-25 09:05:03 AM
Coffee! Coffee NOW!

/DNRFA
 
2012-07-25 09:10:29 AM
Hot caffeinated water flavored with plant extracts. Or as I like to call it: Tea.


/Tastes great cold, too!
 
zez
2012-07-25 09:13:10 AM
They don't sell Water Joe around here any more, but when they did I'd pour it in the coffee maker to make coffee with.
 
2012-07-25 09:13:42 AM
You won't need caffeinated water or energy drinks if you get eight hours sleep and 30 minutes of exercise each day.
 
2012-07-25 09:15:46 AM
Brands such as Water Joe, Avitae, Fyxx Hybrid, Element and Krank20 all claim to deliver the well-known benefits of drinking water along with being sugar- and carb-free - paired with the buzzy jolt of a cup of Joe. And that's precisely the problem, according to Karen Congro, R.D., nutritionist and director of the Wellness for Life Program at The Brooklyn Hospital Center in New York City. "The dehydrating effects of caffeine cancel out the hydration benefits."

That RD means Registered Dietician. Not a doctor. Not based on a study. Not at ALL scientifically accurate, and it's directly refuted with actual studies in the very next paragraph. Seriously, even when reporters DO their due diligence, in the interest of fairness, they still let a fake expert lie to you to make an interesting story. How frustrating. Coffee dehydrates primarily because you sip it, and nurse an 8 oz of beverage for hours and hours. If caffeinated water is causing a problem, it's because you are exercising hard enough to need the electrolytes of a sports drink.
 
2012-07-25 09:17:46 AM

Wellon Dowd: You won't need caffeinated water or energy drinks if you get eight hours sleep and 30 minutes of exercise each day.


Define "need". Caffeine can be used to promote your metabolism during low calorie periods. It can certainly be used intelligently as a tool.
 
2012-07-25 09:33:05 AM

Wellon Dowd: You won't need caffeinated water or energy drinks if you get eight hours sleep and 30 minutes of exercise each day.


Good luck getting that in with ten hours of work and an hour or two of commuting.
 
2012-07-25 09:38:46 AM
why caffeine? why not OTHER legal stimulants.

what's our infatuation with that particular chemical
 
2012-07-25 09:39:00 AM
It's all about vitamin B. biatches.
 
2012-07-25 09:48:59 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: why caffeine? why not OTHER legal stimulants.

what's our infatuation with that particular chemical


In moderation, it's a great chemical. At moderate levels, it increases blood flow, speeds the metabolism, encourages fat oxidation for energy, and increase concentration by blocking the chemicals that signal fatigue. Reasonable doses for humans, spread out, are actually pretty high. For example, there's about 300 mg of caffeine in an entire two liter of Diet Mt Dew (which I happen to have handy). A diet stack (combination of pills) that's extremely well proven and extremely common to use and has been studied extensively is Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin, taken as doses of 200mg of caffeine three times a day.

Most of what people ascribe to the negative effects of caffeine are actually the exact positive effects of caffeine. Caffeine allows you to basically turn off a large number of your bodies "low nutrition" warning signs. That lets you get yourself into a pretty dehydrated and underfed state, all the while convincing yourself you MUST be healthy because you did what you always did, fueled by a drug that lets you ignore sleep deprivation and calorie deficiency.

Yeah, caffeine can let you get yourself into an extremely high strung pulse pounding state. That has more to do with how your body digests protein and oxidizes fat for emergency energy than it does with the caffeine, purely. Drinking a big glass of water and some carbs will fix that, because caffeine isn't a pure stimulant. It just lets your body get into an overclocked state while ignoring the metabolic penalties.
 
2012-07-25 09:51:11 AM

Mr Guy: Jon iz teh kewl: why caffeine? why not OTHER legal stimulants.

what's our infatuation with that particular chemical

In moderation, it's a great chemical. At moderate levels, it increases blood flow, speeds the metabolism, encourages fat oxidation for energy, and increase concentration by blocking the chemicals that signal fatigue. Reasonable doses for humans, spread out, are actually pretty high. For example, there's about 300 mg of caffeine in an entire two liter of Diet Mt Dew (which I happen to have handy). A diet stack (combination of pills) that's extremely well proven and extremely common to use and has been studied extensively is Ephedrine/Caffeine/Aspirin, taken as doses of 200mg of caffeine three times a day.

Most of what people ascribe to the negative effects of caffeine are actually the exact positive effects of caffeine. Caffeine allows you to basically turn off a large number of your bodies "low nutrition" warning signs. That lets you get yourself into a pretty dehydrated and underfed state, all the while convincing yourself you MUST be healthy because you did what you always did, fueled by a drug that lets you ignore sleep deprivation and calorie deficiency.

Yeah, caffeine can let you get yourself into an extremely high strung pulse pounding state. That has more to do with how your body digests protein and oxidizes fat for emergency energy than it does with the caffeine, purely. Drinking a big glass of water and some carbs will fix that, because caffeine isn't a pure stimulant. It just lets your body get into an overclocked state while ignoring the metabolic penalties.


i take 300 mg of caffeine a day, and have put on 10 lbs. i also smoke and drink coca tea. and geranamine.

none of this shiat works. i keep putting on weight!
 
2012-07-25 09:54:55 AM

Mr Guy: Brands such as Water Joe, Avitae, Fyxx Hybrid, Element and Krank20 all claim to deliver the well-known benefits of drinking water along with being sugar- and carb-free - paired with the buzzy jolt of a cup of Joe. And that's precisely the problem, according to Karen Congro, R.D., nutritionist and director of the Wellness for Life Program at The Brooklyn Hospital Center in New York City. "The dehydrating effects of caffeine cancel out the hydration benefits."

That RD means Registered Dietician. Not a doctor. Not based on a study. Not at ALL scientifically accurate, and it's directly refuted with actual studies in the very next paragraph. Seriously, even when reporters DO their due diligence, in the interest of fairness, they still let a fake expert lie to you to make an interesting story. How frustrating. Coffee dehydrates primarily because you sip it, and nurse an 8 oz of beverage for hours and hours. If caffeinated water is causing a problem, it's because you are exercising hard enough to need the electrolytes of a sports drink.


Something I always wondered about, just how great a diuretic effect does alcohol have? If you drink (regular) beer you get roughly 19 parts of fluid for every part alcohol. This makes me think it is unlikely you'd actually suffer from.dehydration if you lived on beer alone. Somehow google doesn't appear to be willing to give a straight answer.

/slightly related to TFA
//very related to my interests
 
2012-07-25 09:55:06 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: i take 300 mg of caffeine a day, and have put on 10 lbs. i also smoke and drink coca tea. and geranamine.

none of this shiat works. i keep putting on weight!


Weird, when I drank three two liters of Mt Dew a day, I was consuming like the exact dosage of caffeine recommended, and I still gained weight. Crazy. It's almost like nutrition, posture, and daily habits all factor together into one easily understood (and difficult to obey) set of mathematical formulas that can predict how much protein and calories are needed in daily life, presuming you correctly identify non-ideal muscle tone and work to correct it.
 
2012-07-25 10:00:26 AM

Mr Guy: Jon iz teh kewl: i take 300 mg of caffeine a day, and have put on 10 lbs. i also smoke and drink coca tea. and geranamine.

none of this shiat works. i keep putting on weight!

Weird, when I drank three two liters of Mt Dew a day, I was consuming like the exact dosage of caffeine recommended, and I still gained weight. Crazy. It's almost like nutrition, posture, and daily habits all factor together into one easily understood (and difficult to obey) set of mathematical formulas that can predict how much protein and calories are needed in daily life, presuming you correctly identify non-ideal muscle tone and work to correct it.


well i don't drink soda. and i eat 5 meals a day. and i don't eat sweets either. and i exercise. sure i LOOK healthy but my BMI is over 30 meaning i'm at an increased risk of diabetes, even though i eat a lot of oatmeal w/ cinammon (diabetes reducer).

oh eh. i'm fine i just kinda want a gf.
 
2012-07-25 10:16:57 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Mr Guy: Jon iz teh kewl: i take 300 mg of caffeine a day, and have put on 10 lbs. i also smoke and drink coca tea. and geranamine.

none of this shiat works. i keep putting on weight!

Weird, when I drank three two liters of Mt Dew a day, I was consuming like the exact dosage of caffeine recommended, and I still gained weight. Crazy. It's almost like nutrition, posture, and daily habits all factor together into one easily understood (and difficult to obey) set of mathematical formulas that can predict how much protein and calories are needed in daily life, presuming you correctly identify non-ideal muscle tone and work to correct it.

well i don't drink soda. and i eat 5 meals a day. and i don't eat sweets either. and i exercise. sure i LOOK healthy but my BMI is over 30 meaning i'm at an increased risk of diabetes, even though i eat a lot of oatmeal w/ cinammon (diabetes reducer).

oh eh. i'm fine i just kinda want a gf.


Seriously, if you're interested, EIP. When I started reclaiming my life going through my divorce, I applied a sort of no excuses, science only, full world consistency view to my body, and made a serious solid commitment to change my lifestyle and my body. I'm absolutely convinced that proper nutrition is way, way simpler, and body modification is physically way easier than people make it out to be. The biggest problem is mental, and people not being honest with themselves, and not having a real perspective on how long, how unpleasant, and how the entire process is going to feel in their body. People are extremely convinced they stand just like everyone else, and there's only one way to do it. However, there's a HUGE metabolic daily difference between someone actively using muscles to stay upright, and someone who rests a lot of weight into their spine and ligaments. The trick, I firmly believe, is to learn to CORRECTLY seperate the body mentally into three parts:

1) Bone structure
2) Muscles
3) Fat stores

It's actually way, way, way harder than people realize to visually distinguish between unflex muscle and fat stores. Most of the reason why people are absolutely CONVINCED in spite of thousands of years of evidence to the contrary that people "carry their weight" different have to do with posture and massive muscle imbalance.
All you have to do is hold your bones "ideally", strengthen the muscles that hold it in place until they are balanced and you hold your body ideally normally, and then fat is just a waiting game. I'm getting really close to being able to demonstrate each phase of "recovery" from being "skinny fat" to being pretty healthy, but I personally had a long way to go, and lots, and lots of upper body strength to build.
 
2012-07-25 10:17:46 AM
Since when is Water Joe "new?" That stuff has been around for years.
 
2012-07-25 10:30:15 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: oh eh. i'm fine i just kinda want a gf.


How YOU doin'?
 
2012-07-25 10:37:37 AM
ecx.images-amazon.com

$4 per bottle.
 
2012-07-25 10:37:51 AM
I've got some caffeinated water right here. It's called coffee, and has been around for centuries. Bonus: it didn't cost me $3 for a 12oz bottle of marketed bullshiat.
 
2012-07-25 10:57:46 AM
Caffeine is awesome. Intake of up to 28 oz a day is linearly correlated with up to a 10000% reduction in risk for sporadic Parkinson's.
 
2012-07-25 10:59:55 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: why caffeine? why not OTHER legal stimulants.

what's our infatuation with that particular chemical


Because of its prevalence as the most socially accepted drug.

It also has remarkable health benefits.
 
2012-07-25 11:31:55 AM

zez: They don't sell Water Joe around here any more, but when they did I'd pour it in the coffee maker to make coffee with.


When I attended SWOS in Newport, RI in the mid-90's, that was the first time I saw "Krank20" in the grocery store. I remember one of my instructors talking about how the CPO's at the school kept cases of the stuff on hand and would routinely use it to brew the coffee in their lounge.

/CSB
 
2012-07-25 11:50:21 AM

djRykoSuave: Jon iz teh kewl: why caffeine? why not OTHER legal stimulants.

what's our infatuation with that particular chemical

Because of its prevalence as the most socially accepted drug.

It also has remarkable health benefits.


so does methamphetamine. have u ever seen a person clean houses on caffeine? it's not as elegant as meth.
 
2012-07-25 11:52:56 AM

Wellon Dowd: You won't need caffeinated water or energy drinks if you get eight hours sleep and 30 minutes of exercise each day.


you are not an engineer.
 
2012-07-25 08:02:12 PM
"Yes, yes it is?"
 
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