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(Slate)   Well, what do you know: an editorial in the WSJ, widely linked within the information bubble of the right-wing internet, was bereft of facts that even the slightest bit of research would have turned up   (slate.com) divider line 156
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2012-07-25 08:53:23 AM
I remember when the WSJ was not joined at the hip with Republican Tea Bagger philosophy.

DARPA/ ARPAnet -- government
MIT -- public university, government grants
Berkeley Labs -- public university, government grants
Nearly every networked node in the 1970s: government or university using government money.

I think he's confusing the internet with the invention of the mouse pointer.

Or he's a lying sack of political crap.
 
2012-07-25 09:10:02 AM
Well, it all makes sense when you realize that conservatives take as an article of faith the idea that government cannot do anything worthwhile.

The government cannot do anything worthwhile, thus, the government had no hand in creating the internet.

Works pretty nicely, huh?

If you press them on the historical particulars, it's easy enough to say that the components of the internet that the government was involved in weren't really that worthwhile in any case. It works either way. Triumph of the subjective.
 
2012-07-25 09:13:12 AM
But we've always been at war with Eastasia.
 
2012-07-25 09:15:37 AM
The original WSJ editorial seems to equate the idea that PARC developed Ethernet (which was, at the time, merely a rudimentary means to carry packet data), then that means that PARC invented the internet.

The important thing was packet switching, which was invented by Paul Baran in 1964 for the RAND corporation for the US military. Hell, even Ethernet itself was based on ALOHAnet, which was a wireless packet data protocol invented by the University of Hawaii.
 
2012-07-25 09:20:54 AM
I built the set of the moon landing on my own!
 
2012-07-25 09:30:38 AM
God damned left-wing librul mainstream MSM media and their librul bias.
 
2012-07-25 09:41:47 AM
the truth has a liberal bias
 
2012-07-25 09:43:03 AM
"The Internet didn't get invented on its own," Obama said. "Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Until recently this wouldn't have been a controversial statement.



Yes, but that was before Obama said it. When Obama said it, it became wrong.
 
2012-07-25 09:44:10 AM
That's it from this day forward, all conservatives must use token-ring networks. Its genesis resides purely in the firm, masculine hands of the corporate-person known as IBM. Ethernet is clearly a communist plot.
 
2012-07-25 09:45:06 AM
It's almost like it was bought by News Corp.
 
2012-07-25 09:47:08 AM

utharda: That's it from this day forward, all conservatives must use token-ring networks. Its genesis resides purely in the firm, masculine hands of the corporate-person known as IBM. Ethernet is clearly a communist plot.


Bah! In your socialist token-ring network everyone gets a chance to communicate when it's their turn regardless of their strength or ability. Real Americans only use master-slave networks.
 
2012-07-25 09:47:52 AM
nab: I'm so old...
all: How old are you?
nab: I'm so old, I remember when the WSJ was a reputable news source!
(laughter, applause)
 
2012-07-25 09:48:39 AM
The author of the book "Dealers of Lightning" (cited in the op-ed) reams WSJ editor in the comments section (pg. 25), but does it in a very understated and polite way.

It's one of the nicest ways I've ever seen anybody called a total farking moran.
 
2012-07-25 09:49:58 AM
I love that he uses the ethernet standard as the basis for internet development.

That wire in the back of my computer is the source of the internet! Developed by a private company...it is obvious the internet is completely private! No, I don't know what those numbers mean. Why is it split in to four sections? A telephone number only has three sections.
 
2012-07-25 09:50:17 AM

Generation_D: I remember when the WSJ was not joined at the hip with Republican Tea Bagger philosophy.

DARPA/ ARPAnet -- government
MIT -- public university, government grants
Berkeley Labs -- public university, government grants
Nearly every networked node in the 1970s: government or university using government money.

I think he's confusing the internet with the invention of the mouse pointer.

Or he's a lying sack of political crap.


Yeah, well what about CERN? Daniel Karrenberg, Ben Segal, and Len Bosack? They weren't funded by the US government, smart guy...

/// 3...2...
 
2012-07-25 09:50:25 AM
When cognitive dissonance doesn't work then just ignore reality and replace it with a fantasy version.

This is how some people actually think. When their strongest tenets are utterly disproven some people can't change their moral code or ideologies so they begin a process of lying to themselves.
 
2012-07-25 09:52:47 AM

Generation_D: I remember when the WSJ was not joined at the hip with Republican Tea Bagger philosophy.

DARPA/ ARPAnet -- government
MIT -- public university, government grants
Berkeley Labs -- public university, government grants
Nearly every networked node in the 1970s: government or university using government money.

I think he's confusing the internet with the invention of the mouse pointer.

Or he's a lying sack of political crap.


You forgot University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, NCSA, and Mosaic. And others. So even if we accept the ridiculous premiss that the web is the internet, the WSJ is still as wrong as possible.
 
2012-07-25 09:53:03 AM

RexTalionis: The original WSJ editorial seems to equate the idea that PARC developed Ethernet (which was, at the time, merely a rudimentary means to carry packet data), then that means that PARC invented the internet.

The important thing was packet switching, which was invented by Paul Baran in 1964 for the RAND corporation for the US military. Hell, even Ethernet itself was based on ALOHAnet, which was a wireless packet data protocol invented by the University of Hawaii.


Moreover, this guy makes a pretty good argument that we only had things like PARC and Bell Labs because of the very high tax rates of the 1950s and 60s. Companies knew that paying dividends or giving big raises to their executives was really just handing money over to the government. So instead, they spent the cash on crazy, pie-in-the-sky basic research, some of which produced some pretty cool stuff (if not profits for those companies).

This isn't to say that marginal tax rates at the level of the 50s and 60s. Rather, it shows that private industry only engages in extensive basic research in very strange, far from free-market conditions.
 
2012-07-25 09:55:31 AM
Just wait til they find out about microwave ovens, then, blood will be spilled.
 
2012-07-25 09:56:07 AM
Rewriting history is a GOP art form.
 
2012-07-25 09:56:11 AM
Without the government, research institutions would not have been linked in the early 70s. Without private enterprise the WWW as currently formed would not have exploded so quickly. Colleges and the government were hesitant to grow the internet like it did after the formation of the WWW and HTML protocols. SO both private and public had a role in growing and expanding the internet to as we know it today. It was shiatty AOL who made the WWW available to the masses, not government.
 
2012-07-25 09:58:32 AM

RexTalionis: The original WSJ editorial seems to equate the idea that PARC developed Ethernet (which was, at the time, merely a rudimentary means to carry packet data), then that means that PARC invented the internet.

The important thing was packet switching, which was invented by Paul Baran in 1964 for the RAND corporation for the US military. Hell, even Ethernet itself was based on ALOHAnet, which was a wireless packet data protocol invented by the University of Hawaii.


Do you have documentary evidence ALOHAnet wasn't originally developed as a wireless Muslim protocol in Kenya?
 
2012-07-25 09:59:57 AM

give me doughnuts: The author of the book "Dealers of Lightning" (cited in the op-ed) reams WSJ editor in the comments section (pg. 25), but does it in a very understated and polite way.

It's one of the nicest ways I've ever seen anybody called a total farking moran.


Yes, but read THIS comment by Daniel Walker. Daniel Walker explains the real history of the internet. Take it away, Daniel.


Daniel Walker Wrote:

For me, the Internet began with Netscape Navigator. The only money Marc Andreesson made on this project that he shared with the gov't was taken by force via taxation. So no, the government did not "invent" the Internet. Just follow the trail of who made money on this "gov't" invention.
 
2012-07-25 10:00:10 AM

MyRandomName: Without the government, research institutions would not have been linked in the early 70s. Without private enterprise the WWW as currently formed would not have exploded so quickly. Colleges and the government were hesitant to grow the internet like it did after the formation of the WWW and HTML protocols. SO both private and public had a role in growing and expanding the internet to as we know it today. It was shiatty AOL who made the WWW available to the masses, not government.


right, so what you're saying is that absent the work our government put in there would be no internet.
 
2012-07-25 10:01:19 AM
hachland.ucoz.com

/seemed oddly relevant
 
2012-07-25 10:01:23 AM

Generation_D: I remember when the WSJ was not joined at the hip with Republican Tea Bagger philosophy.


Yeah, that would be known as "Before Rupert Murdoch bought them out."
 
2012-07-25 10:01:29 AM
Somebody got some extra Koch bucks. Good at any Koch company store too!
 
2012-07-25 10:01:41 AM
By the way, this could be considered a repeat of the Ars Technica article about the same editorial, but it's different enough as a story that I think it should be allowed. And it's significant enough as a story about the diminished quality of the WSJ that it should continue to be discussed.
 
2012-07-25 10:02:56 AM
Why? Why lie about this?

It is a market philosophy. Why the religious devotion? I truly and legitimately do not understand why so many people seem willing to descend into zealotry in order to defend it.
 
2012-07-25 10:03:44 AM
Slate: "Obama Was Right: The Government Invented the Internet"
Every Competent IT Professional Ever: "THANK YOU."
 
2012-07-25 10:04:27 AM

Generation_D: I remember when the WSJ was not joined at the hip with Republican Tea Bagger philosophy.

DARPA/ ARPAnet -- government
MIT -- public university, government grants
Berkeley Labs -- public university, government grants
Nearly every networked node in the 1970s: government or university using government money.


The best part about that is who is one of the people most responsible for opening up access to the private sector?

blogs.seattleweekly.com
 
2012-07-25 10:04:37 AM
It still amazes me how the GOP tries to create their own facts in the face of overwhelming evidence.
 
2012-07-25 10:05:26 AM

MyRandomName: Without the government, research institutions would not have been linked in the early 70s. Without private enterprise the WWW as currently formed would not have exploded so quickly. Colleges and the government were hesitant to grow the internet like it did after the formation of the WWW and HTML protocols. SO both private and public had a role in growing and expanding the internet to as we know it today. It was shiatty AOL who made the WWW available to the masses, not government.


Noone is denying that. The point is that there would not have even been an AOL without the architecture behind the net.
 
2012-07-25 10:05:46 AM

MyRandomName: Without the government, research institutions would not have been linked in the early 70s. Without private enterprise the WWW as currently formed would not have exploded so quickly. Colleges and the government were hesitant to grow the internet like it did after the formation of the WWW and HTML protocols. SO both private and public had a role in growing and expanding the internet to as we know it today. It was shiatty AOL who made the WWW available to the masses, not government.


From an article written by one of the guys who started the first commercial ISP:

"But all things change. Sometime in 1990 the National Science Foundation decided they'd like less involvement in running the Internet (you didn't even know the NSF ran it, did you?). So they began what is popularly called, in Socialist countries, privatizing the Internet. One company to take advantage of this was UUNET, the king of the above-mentioned UUCP. They formed a new company called Alternet to provide Internet service. At this point, gentle reader, you'll be able to guess who Alternet turned to when they needed space in Boston (OK, Brookline) to install equipment. "
 
2012-07-25 10:07:14 AM
It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it - Upton Sinclair
 
2012-07-25 10:08:11 AM
So twenty years from now conservatives will talk about how launching to low earth orbit had nothing to do with government. In fact government held back our progress into space.
 
2012-07-25 10:08:30 AM

theknuckler_33: Rewriting Being ignorant of history is a GOP art form.


FTFGOP
 
2012-07-25 10:09:35 AM

illegal.tender: Why? Why lie about this?

It is a market philosophy. Why the religious devotion? I truly and legitimately do not understand why so many people seem willing to descend into zealotry in order to defend it.


Because it exposes the lie of an even more fundamental plank in their worldview. Everything the government does is bad and its corollary, the government cannot do anything good (military excluded... sometimes). Therefore evidence of government spending that results in something good must be rationalized in such a way that either the thing was actually bad or was actually created by private job creators.
 
2012-07-25 10:10:02 AM

theknuckler_33: Noone is denying that. The point is that there would not have even been an AOL without the architecture behind the net.


I'll deny that. AOL was a major early provider of networked information services, but it wasn't instrumental in the WWW becoming a mass phenomenon. In fact, AOL was rather slow to embrace the web, preferring instead, initially, to keep going with their walled garden approach (that was similar to how most other national online services at the time worked: e.g., Compuserve, Prodigy, etc). AOL only really embraced the WWW when it became evident that the WWW was going to overtake AOL and the other proprietary information networks.
 
2012-07-25 10:10:05 AM

MyRandomName: Without the government, research institutions would not have been linked in the early 70s. Without private enterprise the WWW as currently formed would not have exploded so quickly. Colleges and the government were hesitant to grow the internet like it did after the formation of the WWW and HTML protocols. SO both private and public had a role in growing and expanding the internet to as we know it today. It was shiatty AOL who made the WWW available to the masses, not government.


This is exactly right. It's a team effort. That's the point.
 
2012-07-25 10:10:48 AM
The important thing here isn't who created the internet or what helped blow it up. It's the GOP's responsibility, through Romney, to begin the curtailing of freedom and access on it. Because that is what small government is about!

Romney Net Crackdown
 
2012-07-25 10:10:55 AM
WSJ fell into total disrepute about 5 minutes after Rupert the Unbearable bought it so anyone surprised now that they've become just another propaganda arm of the GOP is rather late to the party.

/Yeah, saw the obvious tag, just sayin'.
 
2012-07-25 10:13:57 AM
It gets funnier when the anti science crowd wades into the technical aspects of conversations.

If anyone knows what is cutting edge, its 80 year old Teabaggers.
 
2012-07-25 10:14:53 AM

Mnemia: theknuckler_33: Noone is denying that. The point is that there would not have even been an AOL without the architecture behind the net.

I'll deny that. AOL was a major early provider of networked information services, but it wasn't instrumental in the WWW becoming a mass phenomenon. In fact, AOL was rather slow to embrace the web, preferring instead, initially, to keep going with their walled garden approach (that was similar to how most other national online services at the time worked: e.g., Compuserve, Prodigy, etc). AOL only really embraced the WWW when it became evident that the WWW was going to overtake AOL and the other proprietary information networks.


Accuracy of that point wasn't really germane to the discussion. Just replace "AOL" with "various private enterprises".

But thanks.
 
2012-07-25 10:15:28 AM

MyRandomName: Without the government, research institutions would not have been linked in the early 70s. Without private enterprise the WWW as currently formed would not have exploded so quickly. Colleges and the government were hesitant to grow the internet like it did after the formation of the WWW and HTML protocols. SO both private and public had a role in growing and expanding the internet to as we know it today. It was shiatty AOL who made the WWW available to the masses, not government.


blogs.vso.org.uk
 
2012-07-25 10:15:34 AM

LeftOfLiberal: So twenty years from now conservatives will talk about how launching to low earth orbit had nothing to do with government. In fact government held back our progress into space.


"....Do you think we'd have the AMACO/Firestone Mars colony or the KBR/GM/Citi Jupiter station if the government was in charge of space exploration?! No way! Those lousy Dems finally came around and cut NASA's bloated socialist budget, allowing for the true individualists to do what they do best, and lift all boats with the rising tide. I was a driving force behind these actions, and without it, today we wouldn't be here, at the opening of this wonderful new Neptune-adjacent McDonald's Life Center and PlayPlace."
 
2012-07-25 10:15:35 AM
"It's important to understand the history of the Internet because it's too often wrongly cited to justify big government," Crovitz says.

What? Saying that everyone benefits from the spending of taxpayer dollars? This isn't even big government. This is accepting that, at a bare minimum, government exists.
 
2012-07-25 10:15:39 AM

Rapmaster2000: utharda: That's it from this day forward, all conservatives must use token-ring networks. Its genesis resides purely in the firm, masculine hands of the corporate-person known as IBM. Ethernet is clearly a communist plot.

Bah! In your socialist token-ring network everyone gets a chance to communicate when it's their turn regardless of their strength or ability. Real Americans only use master-slave networks.


Pff. REAL Americans (tm) are God-fearing people. They'll use the network that GOD HIMSELF created.
 
2012-07-25 10:17:13 AM
kfcplainfield.com
 
2012-07-25 10:17:14 AM

Epoch_Zero: Slate: "Obama Was Right: The Government Invented the Internet"
Every Competent IT Professional Ever: "THANK YOU."


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
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