A loan is not a gift, so what the fark is your point?

RobertBruce: Loans and grants and subsidies are very different.

Oh? Are you saying that getting loans from the government is "doing it all on your own" now? Because that is literally what this guy is claiming.

hbk72777: A loan is not a gift, so what the fark is your point?

Republicans: it's not wrong when WE do it!

Still trying to spin this I see.

Obama, like Elizabeth Warren absolute believe that nobody does anything on their own because individual achievement, working hard for yourself, and being successful on your own merit is completely counter to their ideas.

For you see, that would mean acknowledgement of the individual and empowerment of the individual to do for and take care of themselves is the last thing on this earth Obama and his ilk want. People who hold such initiative and attitudes do not need Democrats. By this same token there's a reason Obama is trying to get more people on food stamps and other federal assistance.

The more dependent you are, the better it is for him.

sweetmelissa31: My father's hands didn't build this company? My hands didn't build this company?

You inherited the company from your father? Pretty self-made.

The party of Dubya, Rand Paul, and Mitt Romney believes beating all the other sperm to the egg is all the work some people need to do to succeed.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting some of my tax money back. I'm not stupid, I'm not going to say 'no.' Shame on me if I didn't use what's available.

AHAHAHAHAHA

This is the refrain of every bootstrap liar. And they have no concept as to why people call them hypocrites.

impaler: "Defense business is a good way to help the economy," Gilchrist told the Leader. "But the President wants to cut the crap out of the defense budget. I'm not going to turn a blind eye because the money came from the government. As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting some of my tax money back."

Good ol' Republican: "government can't create jobs! Except with defense spending of course. Defense spending is magical" bullshat. With a side of "Obama wants to gut defense spending!" as we're slowly pulling out of two wars whine.

It'd be a real shame if all of a sudden his defense/ HLS contracts....went away, wouldn't it?

/Scicilian

If you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."

What the president actually said is much longer and more nuanced. Romney's ad team essentially picked three sentences out of a minute's worth of audio - sentences that did not come in succession.

Obvious lie is obvious.

In spite of the controversy, the Romneybot campaign said it's standing by the ad.

Of course it is.

Unabashed liar is unabashed.

/And a liar.

"I understand these are the games that get played in political campaigns. But when folks omit entire sentences of what I said - they start splicing and dicing - you may have gone a little over the edge."

To put it mildly.

randomjsa: Still trying to spin this I see.

Obama, like Elizabeth Warren absolute believe that nobody does anything on their own because individual achievement, working hard for yourself, and being successful on your own merit is completely counter to their ideas.

For you see, that would mean acknowledgement of the individual and empowerment of the individual to do for and take care of themselves is the last thing on this earth Obama and his ilk want. People who hold such initiative and attitudes do not need Democrats. By this same token there's a reason Obama is trying to get more people on food stamps and other federal assistance.

The more dependent you are, the better it is for him.

So who wrote that for you?

FTA: "I understand these are the games that get played in political campaigns. But when folks omit entire sentences of what I said - they start splicing and dicing - you may have gone a little over the edge."

"May"? "MAY"? JESUS farkING CHRIST, OBAMA, WHAT THE fark?

propasaurus: Gilchrist Metal: Bootstrappy
Solyndra: OUTRAGE!


That is actually a pretty goodcomparison that shows that no, the government didn't build that. This guy built a thriving business with a little over $1 million in federal loans, while Solyndra went bankrupt with $500 million in federal loans.

If loans are what built the business then obvious Solyndra would still be around.

RolandGunner: propasaurus: Gilchrist Metal: Bootstrappy
Solyndra: OUTRAGE!


That is actually a pretty goodcomparison that shows that no, the government didn't build that. This guy built a thriving business with a little over $1 million in federal loans, while Solyndra went bankrupt with $500 million in federal loans.

If loans are what built the business then obvious Solyndra would still be around.

Wow. You logic good.

And, for the record, had he secure a loan from Bank of America then no, Bank of America wouldn't have built the business either.

Yes Subby/Mods, there are way too many government handouts.

HotWingConspiracy: Wow. You logic good.


Brilliant commentary.

The amazingly stupid left just can't stop contradicting themselves. This time last year they were up in arms over the plight of the poor college student trapped under mountains of cruel student loans. Apparently they should have been thanking their lender for giving them the education.

RolandGunner: And, for the record, had he secure a loan from Bank of America then no, Bank of America wouldn't have built the business either.

Well, no, the taxpayers would have. We own Bank of America now, right?

Just like everything with a Republican ideology, it only applies to them when it doesnt affect them.

Cut spending! Until they have the check book.

Type_Hard: hbk72777: A loan is not a gift, so what the fark is your point?

If the loan is tax free / interest subsidized / or otherwise better than market rate, then the point is the company did indeed benefit from a government program...

Internet Dentist tried to use the same excuse for why it was okay for him to take government loans for school.

IOKIYAR

HotWingConspiracy: RolandGunner: propasaurus: Gilchrist Metal: Bootstrappy
Solyndra: OUTRAGE!


That is actually a pretty goodcomparison that shows that no, the government didn't build that. This guy built a thriving business with a little over $1 million in federal loans, while Solyndra went bankrupt with $500 million in federal loans.

If loans are what built the business then obvious Solyndra would still be around.

Wow. You logic good.


I am convinced that the entire conservative movement is an internet trolling enthusiast group.

That, or they're borderline retarded.

RolandGunner: And, for the record, had he secure a loan from Bank of America then no, Bank of America wouldn't have built the business either.

WTF DID I JUST READ?


Dude.... if the private sector gave him a loan then the private sectore would have helped build his business. Simple... if he builds himself... THEN HE TAKES NO MOTHERfarkING MONEY FROM ANYONE ELSE AND BUILD THE MOTHERfarkING THING.

If he takes advantage of the low interest govt loan then the government helped him out. the farking end. wtf is wrong with you.

This man was clearly atlas, and he is being shrugged by Obama.

When will we stop punishing these independently amazing god-men for being so much better than everyone else?

Chummer45: This man was clearly atlas, and he is being shrugged by Obama.

When will we stop punishing these independently amazing god-men for being so much better than everyone else?

+1

hbk72777: A loan is not a gift, so what the fark is your point?

SBA loans are generally high risk loans that private sector banks won't approve without a 90% government guarantee. Therefore unless you are trolling, his business would not have gotten funded without significant help from the government

"i can explain it for you, but i can't understand it for you"

RolandGunner: HotWingConspiracy: Wow. You logic good.


Brilliant commentary.

No no, you're the one bringing the brilliant to the thread. Please, expand on your points.

The amazingly stupid left just can't stop contradicting themselves. This time last year they were up in arms over the plight of the poor college student trapped under mountains of cruel student loans. Apparently they should have been thanking their lender for giving them the education.

Oooh, maybe expanding was a bad idea.

See, the lender didn't give them an education, they played a role it in by funding it. So the student didn't do it on his or her own, they acquired help. This help was part of what lead them to earning a degree.

randomjsa: Still trying to spin this I see.

Obama, like Elizabeth Warren absolute believe that nobody does anything on their own because individual achievement, working hard for yourself, and being successful on your own merit is completely counter to their ideas.

For you see, that would mean acknowledgement of the individual and empowerment of the individual to do for and take care of themselves is the last thing on this earth Obama and his ilk want. People who hold such initiative and attitudes do not need Democrats. By this same token there's a reason Obama is trying to get more people on food stamps and other federal assistance.

The more dependent you are, the better it is for him.

Ayn Rand Think

RobertBruce: Loans and grants and subsidies are very different.

And subsidized loans?

Glenn Beck Knows a Strawman: RolandGunner: And, for the record, had he secure a loan from Bank of America then no, Bank of America wouldn't have built the business either.

WTF DID I JUST READ?


Dude.... if the private sector gave him a loan then the private sectore would have helped build his business. Simple... if he builds himself... THEN HE TAKES NO MOTHERfarkING MONEY FROM ANYONE ELSE AND BUILD THE MOTHERfarkING THING.

If he takes advantage of the low interest govt loan then the government helped him out. the farking end. wtf is wrong with you.


They invested. They didn't do any of the work necessary to build the business.

You better be careful, because you are getting perilously close to crediting Wall Street with building America. You'll lose all your street cred.

RolandGunner: That is actually a pretty goodcomparison that shows that no, the government didn't build that. This guy built a thriving business with a little over $1 million in federal loans, while Solyndra went bankrupt with $500 million in federal loans.

If loans are what built the business then obvious Solyndra would still be around.


Why are boot strappy Americans going to government agencies to get loans?

Private businesses still provide loans right? We arent fully socialist.

stoli n coke: Internet Dentist tried to use the same excuse for why it was okay for him to take government loans for school.

IOKIYAR


That was hilarious, people had to speak very slowly for him to understand why government interest rates are lower and more attractive.

Republicans just dont understand how the world works.

RolandGunner: Glenn Beck Knows a Strawman: RolandGunner: And, for the record, had he secure a loan from Bank of America then no, Bank of America wouldn't have built the business either.

WTF DID I JUST READ?


Dude.... if the private sector gave him a loan then the private sectore would have helped build his business. Simple... if he builds himself... THEN HE TAKES NO MOTHERfarkING MONEY FROM ANYONE ELSE AND BUILD THE MOTHERfarkING THING.

If he takes advantage of the low interest govt loan then the government helped him out. the farking end. wtf is wrong with you.


They invested. They didn't do any of the work necessary to build the business.

You better be careful, because you are getting perilously close to crediting Wall Street with building America. You'll lose all your street cred.

There is no hope for you.... my god you are retarded. It is a simple point to understand. Doing it on your own vs doing it with help, regardless of who is helping. Stop with the talking points you moran.\


uggggghhhhh partisan morons....

Glenn Beck Knows a Strawman: RolandGunner: And, for the record, had he secure a loan from Bank of America then no, Bank of America wouldn't have built the business either.

WTF DID I JUST READ?


Dude.... if the private sector gave him a loan then the private sectore would have helped build his business. Simple... if he builds himself... THEN HE TAKES NO MOTHERfarkING MONEY FROM ANYONE ELSE AND BUILD THE MOTHERfarkING THING.

If he takes advantage of the low interest govt loan then the government helped him out. the farking end. wtf is wrong with you.


This thread has awesomely illustrated the fantasy that people like to indulge in. "I got where I am today without any help from anyone... Look at me everyone and how successful I am, don't you admire me for being so awesome for getting where I am all on my own, without having any help from anyone?"

Well then, you must be a pretty incredible person to have taught yourself to read, write, and do math. And you must have mastered teleportation to be able to avoid using any public roads, public transportation, or the US Postal service. And I can't imagine that you had any government subsidized/protected student loans at any point in your life, seeing as how you did everything on your own.

Not only that, but you must never have had a business or property dispute with anyone, because you are so successful that you'd never ask a government court to coerce someone to stay off your land, or pay money they owe you because of government-created property or contract rights.

And good thing the Police and the U.S. Military are there to protect your life and property against thieves and terrorists. Not being dead is a pretty good first step towards being successful.

Of course, there is another possibility. It could be that you're a narcissistic selfish asshole who wants to take everything society has to offer, without giving anything back.

HotWingConspiracy: As far as I'm concerned, I'm getting some of my tax money back. I'm not stupid, I'm not going to say 'no.' Shame on me if I didn't use what's available.

AHAHAHAHAHA

This is the refrain of every bootstrap liar. And they have no concept as to why people call them hypocrites.

The second time i heard that argument -- or paid attention to it -- was at Free Republic during the car buy back brouhaha. A couple FR'ers condemned the hypocrisy, but they were shouted down by the hypocrites who said it was a shiatty program but that they were going to take advantage of it because it was there.

The first time I heard that argument -- or paid attention to it -- was just after 9/11. The government found money to give to communities for anti-terrorism initiatives, and communities went crazy apply for the money, even if it meant they received loans or grants for crap they had no immediate use for or long-term use for. So the money was wasted....... and the same folks who decried government waste were the reason the waste occurred in the first place.

The arguments laid out were exactly the one you laid out above. The 'I get mine, it's your fault if you don't get yours' mentality is frightening.

hbk72777: A loan is not a gift, so what the fark is your point?

No but a loan at a reduced rate or with less requirements than a private bank would require is "help" from the govt. That "help" is proof that he didn't build his business on his own.